Modern Family Hydra Mafia [GAME END]

[Toopy and Binoo]

@Bottom Text
Don’t vote Mana just in case Scum forgot to hammer before!

-Toopy

Anyway, I GTG for now!

[TonyStarkPlaysItCool]

The fact that nutella can’t lock me in as town from d1 is a concern

I personally locked you town on day two

[MacDougall]

Okay so poop went from town reading T&T and BT (which is a huge yikes on it's own), to then voting T&T when it looked like they were doomed, then to switching to Mana when it looked like the Mana wagon could go over (which it would of till BT and TR switched to T&T). So basically if T&T is scum it's always Poop. It COULD be BT or TR if T&T scum, but it's less likely because the only reason to do this is knowing the D1 kill will be janitored and prefering the janitor flip over a naked scum flip which is possible. Of the two, BT is more likely because BT in a sense could be seen as voting to "save" so that vote was kinda forced, and for all we know janitor only worked on T&T and not BT.

Poop then preceeded to be perfectly wrong the next day in their reads. That's impressive, but not in light of them almost voting to save scum D1.

Poop is just scum y'all. you gotta vote'em guise, you just gottaaaaa

Direct quotes to relelvant post in the spoil

Spoiler: show

My intuition tells me TAT and BT are both town.

[VOTE: TwoandThrough] aubergine

Gadoosh!

I feel like the mafia is Mana + FK + one between H&V and Timsup2gettingserious. That's where I am at.

This is the part where everyone sheeps my reads

(sheeping image for reference of proper form)

I was first on the mana wagon your entire argument is now bunk

[MacDougall]

Poe solve

It's not AkeHaze cuz nutella wouldn't x roxy d1, they were mech'd n1, and alison would always carry the nk here
it's not Toopy and boop because weird ass early game mech things
It's not Julinook cuz they protected AH
It's not both BT and TR because end of day one (slightly less likely to be TR if T&T is scum)

that leaves
Poop, the suspiciously Ineffective body guard
either BT or TR (in that order for reasons mentioned above)
and TPIC, who's claim will hopefully kick them out of POE

Does poop have town/scum equity with any of these players?

you are sheeping my reads while pushing me. you're outed just lolcat.

[MacDougall]

Julinook and TPIC are my "if they're scum they earned the win tbh" reads atm

can you elaborate on the tspic read briefly?

their read of the game has been consistently closest to mine all game. I don't see a baddie angle for their actions, and they seem removed from a lot of the easy pushes of the game

Except for me thinking that you're a wolf, and still maybe do as well

okay, read my recent post, and say this again with your chest, so I know if I need to defend myself actively here or not

You have a decent point on Poop, but imo inconsistency is more of a townie look. Idk what to say to you because I think they're both villagers from posts alone.

where is the decent point?

[MacDougall]

hmmm, mana not thinking we're a wolf when they could ride the wolf reads on us is a decent look?

@Mana - why don't you think we're wolves?

Tone/train of thought is all I got which is why you're firmly in my POE. Most of my read on you has to do with lack of reasons you're not scum, so if your role and it's usage seems pro town that could change quickly to a town read. I supposed the opposite could happen too...hmm. Oh well, life's a risk dog, let's have fun!

So your PoE is:

Poop
either BT or TR
and TPIC

What was your read on T&T? Do you think they were mafia or town.

as a complete picture, I think it's more likely T&T was scum, but it's a fiction built on itself. T&T is scum because there's not a lot of 3 person team combos that make sense and BT did weird votes around the end of the day that looked sus... but also BT's action look sus because it's most likely T&T were scum which means it's unlikely scum is still a full team.

All the threads are pointing to this conclusion for me, so probably just scum. Also, the whole "you only kill one person today, and then win the Mylo with the lovers kill being optimal strat" thing. Also some toop and boop stuff.

more sheeping of my solve ....

[MacDougall]

Okay so poop went from town reading T&T and BT (which is a huge yikes on it's own), to then voting T&T when it looked like they were doomed, then to switching to Mana when it looked like the Mana wagon could go over (which it would of till BT and TR switched to T&T). So basically if T&T is scum it's always Poop. It COULD be BT or TR if T&T scum, but it's less likely because the only reason to do this is knowing the D1 kill will be janitored and prefering the janitor flip over a naked scum flip which is possible. Of the two, BT is more likely because BT in a sense could be seen as voting to "save" so that vote was kinda forced, and for all we know janitor only worked on T&T and not BT.

Poop then preceeded to be perfectly wrong the next day in their reads. That's impressive, but not in light of them almost voting to save scum D1.

Poop is just scum y'all. you gotta vote'em guise, you just gottaaaaa

Direct quotes to relelvant post in the spoil

Spoiler: show

My intuition tells me TAT and BT are both town.

[VOTE: TwoandThrough] aubergine

Gadoosh!

I feel like the mafia is Mana + FK + one between H&V and Timsup2gettingserious. That's where I am at.

This is the part where everyone sheeps my reads

(sheeping image for reference of proper form)

@Mac does this change your "no reasoning" read on this slot

well considering he made it up post read and is using my own solved in his case I am treating him as an outed wolf akshally

[MacDougall]

ehhh tspic's posts are villagery today though, including how their read on two and through and toopy and binoo being different alignments. i don't know what to make of this.

also the fact that bottom text did not receive feedback on if their action was blocked is noted, but i don't really know how those types of mechanics work on the syndicate. in my experience, you're only know if you're blocked if you have an action that gives you feedback.

I don't think they're being villagery. TSP has been piloting mostly and is well within his range.

[MacDougall]

a village roleblocker and a village jailkeeper both existing in a 13er?

mist said that she thinks this is unlikely to be v/v and i'm inclined to agree

i wonder if a wolf would just claim something else though... idk.

last to claim is always a wolf is a read that almost never fails btw

[MacDougall]

Ok so guys.
If there is 3 Mafia alive, Mana or Poop HAVE to be Mafia or Mafia would have already hammered.

BT and Poop are voting Mana.
BT is Lock Town leaving 2 players Poop/Mana.

@Julinook
@Akemi Hazelnut
@trans rights
@TonyStarkPlaysItCool
@Bottom Text

ONlY VOTE BETWEEN MANA AND POOP TODAY PLEASE!

why are you the way that you are?

[MacDougall]

Can we please stop vaguely pointing at Mana? The best person to chop today is Poop, period, I have laid out the arguments, and they're good. Either actually push me or fall in line nerds, i can't work with this wishy washy "we should probably end on mana, i think hmmmm...." bull

this reads like copypasta

[MacDougall]

Gav your mech is terrible for an increasingly large number of reasons.

im gonna just give you a day pass for this alone

[MacDougall]

actually no, majority is 5. no one is in hammer range.

2 Town votes a Town
THAT’S FUCKIN 2 VOTES.
IN A 3 MAFIA WORLD SCUM CAN ALL VOTE THE TOWN AND WIN THE GAME!

-Toopy

I'll be voting mana anyway

[MacDougall]

Can we please stop vaguely pointing at Mana? The best person to chop today is Poop, period, I have laid out the arguments, and they're good. Either actually push me or fall in line nerds, i can't work with this wishy washy "we should probably end on mana, i think hmmmm...." bull

i mean

both heads of our hydra think you're a wolf! thats one of esooas only reads!

im unvoting because of maj reasons, in case im wrong

if you want to shade me then do it when it makes sense please :P

it just doesn't feel like there's anything coherent around me beside vague feelings relating back to d1. My reads are immaculate, the reads on me aren't being given in thread and it's frustrating. Both times Poop voted me were bs. First time was because his teammate T&T was about to get chopped, and the second was because they "Don't want to read lol". I'm just more town than poop in every way. Feel free to check the receipts there too!!

And when Dana show up to thread it's GG Mana's town anyways, so let's just skip to the part where i'm not on the chopping block.

So now you're speaking in absolutes. Suddenly you're sure about things. Agenda plus plus.

[MacDougall]

I think Juliets feels rather persona non grata a la Dana which is probably bad

I do want more Juliets posting yes

[MacDougall]

I think Juliets feels rather persona non grata a la Dana which is probably bad

Yeah she had to step back from the game, I said as much yesterday

ah ok

[MacDougall]

Lol im back to thinking T&T might be town, and the wolves are exactly TR/mana/T&B

that was my solve at the start of the day just for the record

[MacDougall]

interested in seeing what mac thinks of tspic's current posts. i might sideline what i think about that slot until then.

posts are a mix of exceedingly townie and scummy

last to claim read plus poe plus their claim being roleblocker is mass red flags tho

[MacDougall]

BT is prob always a hit here tbh It's probably BT/TsPIc or BT/Poop

If you iso us for bt interactions you will find we aren't partners quite immediately.

[MacDougall]

terrible read BUT

if two and through/bottom text/tspic are all wolves then i've played way too well this game, and i'm horrible at villaging

maybe this is a stupid reason to doubt myself but it's still causing me to think i'm being snowed

ok i think I can clear you now

[Mana]

im still not completely caught up and im trying to also keep up with new posts, but isn't it possible that the wolves were just.. not around during a hammer opportunity? idk if that's a 100% accurate way to clear people

[Mana]

also Mac rly just out here on his main account

[MacDougall]

Dana was super townie in aim yeah, and her seeming to disappear is kinda concerning

Not sure mafia watcher makes sense tho so

watcher isn't a fake claim mafia come up with often but if the other wolf is a fake roleblocker or jailkeeper well all bets are off innit

[MacDougall]

also Mac rly just out here on his main account

I didn't actually notice til you said this lol

[Mana]

Dana was super townie in aim yeah, and her seeming to disappear is kinda concerning

Not sure mafia watcher makes sense tho so

watcher isn't a fake claim mafia come up with often but if the other wolf is a fake roleblocker or jailkeeper well all bets are off innit

did we ever find out how we ended up blocked n1? did BT share their X target?

[Poop Explosions]

that was a bit embarrassing sorry bout that, my age is showing

[Julinook]

I think Juliets feels rather persona non grata a la Dana which is probably bad

I do want more Juliets posting yes

I was fairly clear I'm flying solo now

Jules had to bow out for personal reasons

[Akemi Hazelnut]

What if TSPIC is the mafia roleblocker and blocked Walrus to stop the vig shot from going off

One-shot vigs should always fire N1. The only claims in the room that would stop a shot cold are nook and TSPIC.

Either Walrus holstered (which makes no sense), they shot me (which also makes no sense), or TSPIC blocked them and claimed holstered.

[Poop Explosions]

The good news is that I now believe Mana/BT can't be wolves together.

So either one of them is scum with TSPIC or I am being snowed by one of my townreads.

still think akemi is a villager. the way they came to this read is pretty natural.

and its a dope read

[Julinook]

I think Juliets feels rather persona non grata a la Dana which is probably bad

Yeah she had to step back from the game, I said as much yesterday

ah ok

Nvm you found it

Also you're on the wrong account

[Julinook]

Dana was super townie in aim yeah, and her seeming to disappear is kinda concerning

Not sure mafia watcher makes sense tho so

watcher isn't a fake claim mafia come up with often but if the other wolf is a fake roleblocker or jailkeeper well all bets are off innit

did we ever find out how we ended up blocked n1? did BT share their X target?

Sighs

I JKed AH

You targeted AH

You got no result because I JKed AH

[Poop Explosions]

watcher is like

definitely more commonly a mafia role

it being allegedly one shot is the only reason its not super wolfy by itself

town tracker+town watcher is a thing im considering just because its funny, tbh. it's the reason i guessed akemi as a tracker

meh

[Julinook]

Idk why mafia would bother blocking walrus tbh

[Mana]

Dana was super townie in aim yeah, and her seeming to disappear is kinda concerning

Not sure mafia watcher makes sense tho so

watcher isn't a fake claim mafia come up with often but if the other wolf is a fake roleblocker or jailkeeper well all bets are off innit

did we ever find out how we ended up blocked n1? did BT share their X target?

Sighs

I JKed AH

You targeted AH

You got no result because I JKed AH

would we not have seen that you visited AH then?

[Poop Explosions]

What if TSPIC is the mafia roleblocker and blocked Walrus to stop the vig shot from going off

One-shot vigs should always fire N1. The only claims in the room that would stop a shot cold are nook and TSPIC.

Either Walrus holstered (which makes no sense), they shot me (which also makes no sense), or TSPIC blocked them and claimed holstered.

No they really shouldn't. One shot vig is a shit role that should never shoot n1.

[Julinook]

Anyways I have to pick someone up from the airport, ill be back late tonight maybe, maybe tomorrow if I fall asleep instead

[Julinook]

Dana was super townie in aim yeah, and her seeming to disappear is kinda concerning

Not sure mafia watcher makes sense tho so

watcher isn't a fake claim mafia come up with often but if the other wolf is a fake roleblocker or jailkeeper well all bets are off innit

did we ever find out how we ended up blocked n1? did BT share their X target?

Sighs

I JKed AH

You targeted AH

You got no result because I JKed AH

would we not have seen that you visited AH then?

No? Why would you? I'm a JK

[Poop Explosions]

Idk why mafia would bother blocking walrus tbh

Unless the Mafia is literally exactly who they threatened to shoot and I forget who that was

[Mana]

Idk why mafia would bother blocking walrus tbh

so they dont die?

[Julinook]

Idk why mafia would bother blocking walrus tbh

Unless the Mafia is literally exactly who they threatened to shoot and I forget who that was

Flipped town tims

[Mana]

Dana was super townie in aim yeah, and her seeming to disappear is kinda concerning

Not sure mafia watcher makes sense tho so

watcher isn't a fake claim mafia come up with often but if the other wolf is a fake roleblocker or jailkeeper well all bets are off innit

did we ever find out how we ended up blocked n1? did BT share their X target?

Sighs

I JKed AH

You targeted AH

You got no result because I JKed AH

would we not have seen that you visited AH then?

No? Why would you? I'm a JK

ok maybe I dont fully understand the role then... to the wiki I go

[Poop Explosions]

Dana was super townie in aim yeah, and her seeming to disappear is kinda concerning

Not sure mafia watcher makes sense tho so

watcher isn't a fake claim mafia come up with often but if the other wolf is a fake roleblocker or jailkeeper well all bets are off innit

did we ever find out how we ended up blocked n1? did BT share their X target?

Sighs

I JKed AH

You targeted AH

You got no result because I JKed AH

would we not have seen that you visited AH then?

No? Why would you? I'm a JK

Hmmm I dunno actually I think watcher is supposed to trump jk in most instances?

[Julinook]

Idk why mafia would bother blocking walrus tbh

so they dont die?

Given that tims is flipped town i cannot believe a mafia team paying enough attention to know walrus was a vig woild give a single shit about them shooting

[Julinook]

Dana was super townie in aim yeah, and her seeming to disappear is kinda concerning

Not sure mafia watcher makes sense tho so

watcher isn't a fake claim mafia come up with often but if the other wolf is a fake roleblocker or jailkeeper well all bets are off innit

did we ever find out how we ended up blocked n1? did BT share their X target?

Sighs

I JKed AH

You targeted AH

You got no result because I JKed AH

would we not have seen that you visited AH then?

No? Why would you? I'm a JK

Hmmm I dunno actually I think watcher is supposed to trump jk in most instances?

No

[Poop Explosions]

Idk why mafia would bother blocking walrus tbh

Unless the Mafia is literally exactly who they threatened to shoot and I forget who that was

Flipped town tims

Then the Mafia definitely aren't roleblocking Walrus should they have been all that compelled to even kill them.

Was the Mafia kill commuted to Walrus or something?

[Akemi Hazelnut]

What if TSPIC is the mafia roleblocker and blocked Walrus to stop the vig shot from going off

One-shot vigs should always fire N1. The only claims in the room that would stop a shot cold are nook and TSPIC.

Either Walrus holstered (which makes no sense), they shot me (which also makes no sense), or TSPIC blocked them and claimed holstered.

No they really shouldn't. One shot vig is a shit role that should never shoot n1.

I don't disagree one shot vig is a shit role but dying with town KP in the holster makes no sense to me.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

Idk why mafia would bother blocking walrus tbh

so they dont die?

Given that tims is flipped town i cannot believe a mafia team paying enough attention to know walrus was a vig woild give a single shit about them shooting

Oh this is a good point though. If Walrus was going to shoot N1 they would be shooting Tim so it doesn't make sense for mafia to care about them.

[Julinook]

This is not a complicated claim

I stop actions targeting my target, including watches and busdrivers

I roleblock my target


If you somehow have further questions ask tsp he definitely understands my claim, frankly idk why it's this confusing for some of you

[Mana]

I thought Tims joked that they were the vig and gonna shoot walrus, not the other way around? unless im misremembering which is def possible

[Poop Explosions]

What if TSPIC is the mafia roleblocker and blocked Walrus to stop the vig shot from going off

One-shot vigs should always fire N1. The only claims in the room that would stop a shot cold are nook and TSPIC.

Either Walrus holstered (which makes no sense), they shot me (which also makes no sense), or TSPIC blocked them and claimed holstered.

No they really shouldn't. One shot vig is a shit role that should never shoot n1.

I don't disagree one shot vig is a shit role but dying with town KP in the holster makes no sense to me.

Unless you have like a hard vigi claim or some sort of outed mafia you should never shoot n1 with a 1 shot vigi. Because your odds of killing town are super high.