King of the Hill Mafia

[RondoDimBuckle]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Seanzie @Boquise more content pls

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tbh

I don't see the need for more at this time. I've said what I have to say, I have a kill pool, im responsive to direct questions.

yeah I havent read them so giving me a cheat sheet would be helpful

[RondoDimBuckle]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Seanzie @Boquise more content pls

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tbh

ur mum tbh

[RondoDimBuckle]

I also had a couple of thoughts and it's why I am starting to think I may have been wrong on one of my town leans/reads but I am not sure. I felt that on catch up, Rondo felt kinda towny in response to SPF and pointing out the unfairness in regards to the placement of Neon versus the placement of themselves. It felt like Rondo felt that SPF was treating their reads list unfairly and they were quick to point that out and it felt that Rondo had that self-entitlement of where they should belong.

I feel like that strong conviction and standing up to a relatively strong tr in the thread in SPF is def ballsy for Rondo to do if they are mafia, considering the earlier heat they were receiving.

Additionally, Rondo pointed out some inconsistencies with Creature as well which demonstrated a townie looking for "slips and incoherent thoughts" in order to catch the mafia.

Now admittedly, I do not know how good Rondo is at mafia at a baseline, so @RondoDimBuckle if you could provide some mafia and town games, that would be much appreciated. But I did feel some towniness in the depth of solving and conviction from this slot than EoD1 lol. So it's def a major difference there.

I have bamboozled @MacDougall and wolfed with @Alison and I would say its in my range and they might agree. But I also think I have been pretty town sided through all the fluff.

I wont provide you any extra games because thats not my style but they exist sure. Someone else might do it but I wont.

[RondoDimBuckle]

People who have read the whole game and are not Creature/Porcha/SPF is that team viable?

That is the exact 3 people I have been pushing as my team solve for the past 10 pages.

Mac said you and he had a conversation about how in mountainous you need to resolve day 1 wagons. Are you saying you didnt have this conversation? Why are you trying to not go over so hard when you think that is the case? Why are you not trying to push Porcha?

I... what?

Since two people have been confused

Mac has said that Alison had a conversation with him that both day 1 slots need to be resolved in a mountainous game (I dont care about the details but its what they discussed so I will take it as fact its a meta thing and helpful to town, they're probably right)

Alison has been arguing with Mac all day and on a casual read I saw not one statement affirming the fact that indeed Alison feels that way and they indeed had that conversation but at the same time, not a single denial.

Considering the fact that Alison's stance at that point was contrary to the conversations they have had previously AND the fact that Alison called for a flash wagon (Though she does deny it but that is another conversation now that I am thinking about it again) which is also against her Meta it raises some red flags that were never directly dealt with.

Ergo if Alison does believe in that theory AND had that conversation with Mac why were they trying so hard to stay alive knowing it is in the best interest of town?

Secondarily IF this is the case AND she wants to self pres the best option is to push Porcha as she was one of the viable EOD wagons yesterday. It was just something interesting I noticed





As to her Flash wagon talk, she later claimed Seanzie said she is flash wagoning and in fact she was not but now that I have been typing this out in a larger brief I have realised she did not push Seanzie for claiming she was flash wagoning and has as far as I am aware not caused any flakk for him. Which to me shows a ++Equity for Alison/Seanzie when I KNOW Alison is eager to put anyone on blast for claiming she is doing something she doesnt do.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Seanzie @Boquise more content pls

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tbh

threesomes r pro town

im straight

smile

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ok all mentions are caught up on. Time to finish reading day 2. I am here for questions but I might go play a game at some point so whatever.

[Boquise]

Sure I'm not saying don't vote off wagon. Hell I'm voting off wagon. That's not why it's bad.

I don't solve in consensus with others. But I think a vote can be bad irregardless of intent outside it.

But maybe it's semantics I'd prefer we not clog the thread.

In wolf equity though I have this to say. I suck at Werewolf but I'm better than that.

Why is it bad then, if off wagon is not bad?
I don't think we are clogging the thread. The thread is almost silent and this conversation might make people get reads out of us too tbh! That's pro town.

Thats not a very good defence ngl tbh

I mean I've stated why. But you disagree so I'm trying to drop it. I also just think my feelings are probably invalid and developed because of the places I grew up playing. I'm not used to playing in hammerless mountainous games.

I grew up almost exclusively playing like Role Madness hammer on with stupidly insane mechanics where voting someone who was widely TRd could just accidentally end up killing them for various reasons in some of those games so I've always played with the rule that you should vote someone who you SR but isn't outside thread state PoE

If that makes sense. I started playing in a very weird mafia environment and it's why "Neon makes no sense and plays weird" is something I hear a lot. Along with being killed early in every new place I play and flipping town and people telling me I need to change how I play.

Even within my home site I played weird but it stood out less there.

I am confused. You said that it was bad because it was a vanity wagon - as in an off-wagon tbh.
Dropping a discussion feels rather bad, are you not interested in trying to understand my pov tbh?

I also did not realise that Lily was "widely TR'd". That doesnt really match with my thoughts tbh

Regarding, "Neon makes no sense and plays weird", thats not really why I began scum leaning you in a hypothetical.. Rather the opposite tbh

[MacDougall]

People who have read the whole game and are not Creature/Porcha/SPF is that team viable?

That is the exact 3 people I have been pushing as my team solve for the past 10 pages.

Mac said you and he had a conversation about how in mountainous you need to resolve day 1 wagons. Are you saying you didnt have this conversation? Why are you trying to not go over so hard when you think that is the case? Why are you not trying to push Porcha?

I... what?

Since two people have been confused

Mac has said that Alison had a conversation with him that both day 1 slots need to be resolved in a mountainous game (I dont care about the details but its what they discussed so I will take it as fact its a meta thing and helpful to town, they're probably right)

Alison has been arguing with Mac all day and on a casual read I saw not one statement affirming the fact that indeed Alison feels that way and they indeed had that conversation but at the same time, not a single denial.

Considering the fact that Alison's stance at that point was contrary to the conversations they have had previously AND the fact that Alison called for a flash wagon (Though she does deny it but that is another conversation now that I am thinking about it again) which is also against her Meta it raises some red flags that were never directly dealt with.

Ergo if Alison does believe in that theory AND had that conversation with Mac why were they trying so hard to stay alive knowing it is in the best interest of town?

Secondarily IF this is the case AND she wants to self pres the best option is to push Porcha as she was one of the viable EOD wagons yesterday. It was just something interesting I noticed





As to her Flash wagon talk, she later claimed Seanzie said she is flash wagoning and in fact she was not but now that I have been typing this out in a larger brief I have realised she did not push Seanzie for claiming she was flash wagoning and has as far as I am aware not caused any flakk for him. Which to me shows a ++Equity for Alison/Seanzie when I KNOW Alison is eager to put anyone on blast for claiming she is doing something she doesnt do.

@Boquise here's my answer why Rondo lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

i feel pretty confident about mac and lily and aro being town. i think boq might be town too. i'm kind of struggling to get a solid grasp on the game beyond that.

why boq town?

-when he was being wagoned by 4-5 people and it looked like he was in serious contention to go over, he decided to vote and push on me, one of his biggest defenders, for not defending him strongly enough. if boq is a wolf then his choice to push on one of the few people defending him would be completely contrary to a self-preservation mindset, and it would risk alienating one of the few people who had a good chance at saving him

-he got salty and passive aggressive about being voted in a way that i kind of don't think he would as wolf tbh - the entitlement/feeling of being "wronged" in the post is a specific mindset that i think a wolf typically struggles to replicate. i'm thinking of posts like this one:

@Creature
Is it your town tell or something to ignore my questions and refuse to engage with me in a meaningful manner on the syndicate? You did that the last time we played here and you wolf read me until I was finally NK'd.

You also wrote in the spec chat game "it is too early to town read Boq" (which is what made me town read you).

So like, I am town reading you now again, but what gives tbh?

In Halvosen Ridge I ignored you until day 3 when I had both you and JJJ as wolves. Since I was right on JJJ being wolf and another town died also believing you two were wolves, I thought you were wolf until like the day before you died. In spec chat game all I did say was that you shluldn't be cleared too easily. Yet I ignored you and you ended up dying anyway.

I remember someone commenting in Halvosen Ridge that you seemed "lone". I also remember in spec chat you were forming actual reads and ended up coming with a readslist. I'm not seeing either things his game, your votes look kinda meh (Porscha is one vote I had in mind), it feels like you're doing lip job service instead of solving (like saying "we should go for someone not solving" and coming with a quick-made list) and hence why I'm concerned about you.

Wtf I have formed several reads this game, produced a read list, and actively engaged with several players. I have pushed Porscha to form a more concrete read, an action that cant be said about many players currently. You are taking 1 post of plenty to mischaracterise my whole play. Also, that list was correct and is also made to make people say something. Neon, Nook and Porscha had all complaints about the list

You complain about nothing happening yet you do nothing to affect the game. You push me and say I am doing nothing when I am the player who is creating the most splash in the thread tbh. I have formed more actual reads than the majority of this game tbqh.

but sure, maybe i should just go
lel i am town
oh u vote me now i will vote u
gn solving hard
i like trains
i picked flowers yesterday
pushing me is a crime against society tbh
i wonder what movie i should watch
cyndaquil is a good starter
poop penis tv show tbh
Am I town read now? I am out of my wolf range tbh

also cold to ignore me like that tbh, have i done something?

-he generally just came off as one of the most invested solvers on d1 at a stage when lots of people were slanking and it would have been very easy for him to sit back and ~blend in~ with the rest of the thread as a wolf

who do u think the mafia is?

I see. I sort of thought his issue with me was him blowing it out of proportion, but I dont know that would be alignment indicative for him. It's very possible he isnt a wolf, I have 0 meta on him and he hasn't done anything specific that really makes me believe he's likely wolfing. it isn't unusual for people to use my "shading" but not voting on every little thing I see method of play to believe i'm wolfy, so I don't think it's alignment indicative.

my poe is pretty open. I still believe mac is town, I don't have a reason to think sean is wolfing past him not pushing me for my TR on him early, but maybe we are on the same wavelength for once, so i'm not worried about him for now. lily reads pretty TR for me and I don't think she makes the vote she did eod if she's wolf. neon I can't say for sure, but they can be tl. lucy is null enough for me to consider them, I can still consider boq, i'm entirely unsure of aro I dont remember their posts yesterday in the slightest, I like to believe you are town spf but I am afraid that I am not good at reading you so I don't mind leaving your slot floating until I feel like my feet are on the ground, and alison, well, in theory she needs to be policied. I can't say for certain she is wolf, but ultimately she still sr's me and this is just a nuisance to me because when I asked her to show where I was folding, she blatantly refused. I don't feel like I can convince her, to any extent, of her view of me by conversing with her, so it's just frustrating to work with. rondo I will have to wait and see since iirc, they were hardly present yesterday. creature... I feel has been well in his town range, but it's still possible he tried pocketing me yesterday by pushing back a little on my wagon and shrug votes/ reads, but now has zero interest in keeping up with that idea and is willing to just yeet me, so I'm not sure what to think of it. I think if I asked him why this seemed to change, he'd probably just answer something about how i'm being sr'd by alison and other people enough to make him reconsider his initial view of me, so I haven't bothered. unsure of what to do with creature for now. in my first read list, I listed nook as town, but later when I was reviewing it and boq asked me who i'd vote, I said him or nook. something about nook just leaves me feeling a little less confident in him being town than in other games where I find him town, but I'm not sure what it is. I'd like to see more from him. I think that's everyone.

Porcha knows how to set out a nice and easily readable POE, this garbage was a pain to read and I give wolfy points for it.

This is what it should look like:

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I still believe mac is town

I don't have a reason to think sean is wolfing past him not pushing me for my TR on him early, but maybe we are on the same wavelength for once, so i'm not worried about him for now.

lily reads pretty TR for me and I don't think she makes the vote she did eod if she's wolf.

neon I can't say for sure, but they can be tl.

lucy is null enough for me to consider them,

I can still consider boq,

i'm entirely unsure of aro I dont remember their posts yesterday in the slightest,

I like to believe you are town spf but I am afraid that I am not good at reading you so I don't mind leaving your slot floating until I feel like my feet are on the ground,

and alison, well, in theory she needs to be policied. I can't say for certain she is wolf, but ultimately she still sr's me and this is just a nuisance to me because when I asked her to show where I was folding, she blatantly refused. I don't feel like I can convince her, to any extent, of her view of me by conversing with her, so it's just frustrating to work with.

rondo I will have to wait and see since iirc, they were hardly present yesterday.

creature... I feel has been well in his town range, but it's still possible he tried pocketing me yesterday by pushing back a little on my wagon and shrug votes/ reads, but now has zero interest in keeping up with that idea and is willing to just yeet me, so I'm not sure what to think of it. I think if I asked him why this seemed to change, he'd probably just answer something about how i'm being sr'd by alison and other people enough to make him reconsider his initial view of me, so I haven't bothered. unsure of what to do with creature for now.

Misc:
in my first read list, I listed nook as town, but later when I was reviewing it and boq asked me who i'd vote, I said him or nook. something about nook just leaves me feeling a little less confident in him being town than in other games where I find him town, but I'm not sure what it is. I'd like to see more from him. I think that's everyone.

Its a nothing burger that is specifically hard to read

Am I the only one?

[RondoDimBuckle]

People who have read the whole game and are not Creature/Porcha/SPF is that team viable?

That is the exact 3 people I have been pushing as my team solve for the past 10 pages.

Mac said you and he had a conversation about how in mountainous you need to resolve day 1 wagons. Are you saying you didnt have this conversation? Why are you trying to not go over so hard when you think that is the case? Why are you not trying to push Porcha?

I... what?

Since two people have been confused

Mac has said that Alison had a conversation with him that both day 1 slots need to be resolved in a mountainous game (I dont care about the details but its what they discussed so I will take it as fact its a meta thing and helpful to town, they're probably right)

Alison has been arguing with Mac all day and on a casual read I saw not one statement affirming the fact that indeed Alison feels that way and they indeed had that conversation but at the same time, not a single denial.

Considering the fact that Alison's stance at that point was contrary to the conversations they have had previously AND the fact that Alison called for a flash wagon (Though she does deny it but that is another conversation now that I am thinking about it again) which is also against her Meta it raises some red flags that were never directly dealt with.

Ergo if Alison does believe in that theory AND had that conversation with Mac why were they trying so hard to stay alive knowing it is in the best interest of town?

Secondarily IF this is the case AND she wants to self pres the best option is to push Porcha as she was one of the viable EOD wagons yesterday. It was just something interesting I noticed





As to her Flash wagon talk, she later claimed Seanzie said she is flash wagoning and in fact she was not but now that I have been typing this out in a larger brief I have realised she did not push Seanzie for claiming she was flash wagoning and has as far as I am aware not caused any flakk for him. Which to me shows a ++Equity for Alison/Seanzie when I KNOW Alison is eager to put anyone on blast for claiming she is doing something she doesnt do.

@Boquise here's my answer why Rondo lol

what did I do now?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Also @Creature , I wanted to ask you cause I saw earlier that you said Lily's later vote being anti-town is TWTBAW, which ok, if you believe that, that's your opinion fine.

But what do you think of Nanook's late vote to untie, the votes? Would you agree with me, that it is a townie look from Nanook? Esp if wagons are v/v?

Also, if you think anti-town = TWTBAW and is townie, do you think Rondo is then also TWTBAW for his self-vote on himself at EoD? I thought it was pretty bad at the time in response to the pressure they were receiving from SPF and I believe Lily unironically.

I want to hear ur thoughts on those since u seem confident about Lily's late movement that she wouldn't do as mafia.

Hahaha you think that was pressure from SPF? Hahahahahahahahhaha I barely got over 3 votes. That was chilly breezy afternoon

[Boquise]

People who have read the whole game and are not Creature/Porcha/SPF is that team viable?

That is the exact 3 people I have been pushing as my team solve for the past 10 pages.

Mac said you and he had a conversation about how in mountainous you need to resolve day 1 wagons. Are you saying you didnt have this conversation? Why are you trying to not go over so hard when you think that is the case? Why are you not trying to push Porcha?

I... what?

Since two people have been confused

Mac has said that Alison had a conversation with him that both day 1 slots need to be resolved in a mountainous game (I dont care about the details but its what they discussed so I will take it as fact its a meta thing and helpful to town, they're probably right)

Alison has been arguing with Mac all day and on a casual read I saw not one statement affirming the fact that indeed Alison feels that way and they indeed had that conversation but at the same time, not a single denial.

Considering the fact that Alison's stance at that point was contrary to the conversations they have had previously AND the fact that Alison called for a flash wagon (Though she does deny it but that is another conversation now that I am thinking about it again) which is also against her Meta it raises some red flags that were never directly dealt with.

Ergo if Alison does believe in that theory AND had that conversation with Mac why were they trying so hard to stay alive knowing it is in the best interest of town?

Secondarily IF this is the case AND she wants to self pres the best option is to push Porcha as she was one of the viable EOD wagons yesterday. It was just something interesting I noticed





As to her Flash wagon talk, she later claimed Seanzie said she is flash wagoning and in fact she was not but now that I have been typing this out in a larger brief I have realised she did not push Seanzie for claiming she was flash wagoning and has as far as I am aware not caused any flakk for him. Which to me shows a ++Equity for Alison/Seanzie when I KNOW Alison is eager to put anyone on blast for claiming she is doing something she doesnt do.

@Boquise here's my answer why Rondo lol

thanks! I will read this carefully when I am fully caught up tbh
gonna focus on that now

[Boquise]

You guys are dumb, I'm town

What was it that made you think this post was very townie @Lilypetal

was mostly the 2nd post but both together just seemed towny to me dunno

i see because it is after this post i quoted that you unvoted.
What was it that made you unvote at that point? And what is it that makes those posts feel townie?

Just a vibe? He seemed like a dead towny whereas a wolf at that point is in antispew. I didn't realize he had only said the first thing when I unvoted tbh just knew the 2nd post hit me hard before the flip actually happened. Guess I liked the first one a lot too. Like that post can come from a wolf but when I'm already having big doubts stuff like that reads townier to me

see, the point with doing votes and pushes like this is to re-affirm town reads tbh
i think this is sorta townie tbh

[Seanzie]

Also, @Seanzie I would be interested to hear your thoughts when you have the chance if you read my games.

I didn't.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

People who have read the whole game and are not Creature/Porcha/SPF is that team viable?

That is the exact 3 people I have been pushing as my team solve for the past 10 pages.

Mac said you and he had a conversation about how in mountainous you need to resolve day 1 wagons. Are you saying you didnt have this conversation? Why are you trying to not go over so hard when you think that is the case? Why are you not trying to push Porcha?

I... what?

Since two people have been confused

Mac has said that Alison had a conversation with him that both day 1 slots need to be resolved in a mountainous game (I dont care about the details but its what they discussed so I will take it as fact its a meta thing and helpful to town, they're probably right)

Alison has been arguing with Mac all day and on a casual read I saw not one statement affirming the fact that indeed Alison feels that way and they indeed had that conversation but at the same time, not a single denial.

Considering the fact that Alison's stance at that point was contrary to the conversations they have had previously AND the fact that Alison called for a flash wagon (Though she does deny it but that is another conversation now that I am thinking about it again) which is also against her Meta it raises some red flags that were never directly dealt with.

Ergo if Alison does believe in that theory AND had that conversation with Mac why were they trying so hard to stay alive knowing it is in the best interest of town?

Secondarily IF this is the case AND she wants to self pres the best option is to push Porcha as she was one of the viable EOD wagons yesterday. It was just something interesting I noticed





As to her Flash wagon talk, she later claimed Seanzie said she is flash wagoning and in fact she was not but now that I have been typing this out in a larger brief I have realised she did not push Seanzie for claiming she was flash wagoning and has as far as I am aware not caused any flakk for him. Which to me shows a ++Equity for Alison/Seanzie when I KNOW Alison is eager to put anyone on blast for claiming she is doing something she doesnt do.

I think Alison's explanations on this made sense to me

[RondoDimBuckle]

As a wolf I just sit on falcon and go aww shucks mac you were wrong.

eh if you are aware enough to know what you would do, you are aware enough to fake it

oh nook is voting me. absolute top lol'ing chad move he has pulled in less than 5 hours of the day. the hamster running my mental space is intrigued. nook placing vote on me this early into day... is ... interesting.

Theres no hammer

Not sure why my vote would be surprising tbh

Oh is maj off?

Is it not?

idk was asking you lol

Also, what's ur current state of the game?

Still believe there's likely two in the [mac/alison/porscha/lily/lucy] grouping

talk to me about the lily lucy part of this?

minus Mac, that is kind of my poe/leans rn, and I felt decent-ish about lucy yesterday, but I need to refresh my read there.

Though tbh, Porscha's ATE was kind of getting to me in a towny way shrug :/

Same question to you. Why lucy, lily at this time? Do you both still think they could be in POE?

SPF, while I have you here, before I go to bed, what's ur current perspective with towns and poe?

with towns I am at Mac, you, and Boq

I am starting to feel good about Nanook and still have some town leanings on Creature from day 1.

Can you talk to me about Seanzie's spot? I remember I had him town leaning day 1, but if his continued push remains on Boq, it feels kind of bad.

So I wanted ur takes.

what had boq done at this point that was good? Other than you vibing with him and 'wanting' to find him town

oh and i kind of think alison is town too in spite of myself. i just do not see the scum intent in her posts and think she would have to be playing in a stupidly suicidal way in a world where she is mafia

goodnight for real

If Alison flips town my first look is here

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Sure I'm not saying don't vote off wagon. Hell I'm voting off wagon. That's not why it's bad.

I don't solve in consensus with others. But I think a vote can be bad irregardless of intent outside it.

But maybe it's semantics I'd prefer we not clog the thread.

In wolf equity though I have this to say. I suck at Werewolf but I'm better than that.

Why is it bad then, if off wagon is not bad?
I don't think we are clogging the thread. The thread is almost silent and this conversation might make people get reads out of us too tbh! That's pro town.

Thats not a very good defence ngl tbh

I mean I've stated why. But you disagree so I'm trying to drop it. I also just think my feelings are probably invalid and developed because of the places I grew up playing. I'm not used to playing in hammerless mountainous games.

I grew up almost exclusively playing like Role Madness hammer on with stupidly insane mechanics where voting someone who was widely TRd could just accidentally end up killing them for various reasons in some of those games so I've always played with the rule that you should vote someone who you SR but isn't outside thread state PoE

If that makes sense. I started playing in a very weird mafia environment and it's why "Neon makes no sense and plays weird" is something I hear a lot. Along with being killed early in every new place I play and flipping town and people telling me I need to change how I play.

Even within my home site I played weird but it stood out less there.

I am confused. You said that it was bad because it was a vanity wagon - as in an off-wagon tbh.
Dropping a discussion feels rather bad, are you not interested in trying to understand my pov tbh?

I also did not realise that Lily was "widely TR'd". That doesnt really match with my thoughts tbh

Regarding, "Neon makes no sense and plays weird", thats not really why I began scum leaning you in a hypothetical.. Rather the opposite tbh

It's not so much that it's a single vote off wagon is that it's a single vote off wagon on a wagon that will never exist *shrugs* at least Porscha existed yesterday but you ended there when it didn't exist which is really kind of a waste no?

I don't want to continue this conversation because it's going nowhere

I'm not saying you are saying that I'm saying it will inevitably end up somewhere like that when I flip town.

[RondoDimBuckle]

SPF, while I have you here, before I go to bed, what's ur current perspective with towns and poe?

with towns I am at Mac, you, and Boq

I am starting to feel good about Nanook and still have some town leanings on Creature from day 1.

Can you talk to me about Seanzie's spot? I remember I had him town leaning day 1, but if his continued push remains on Boq, it feels kind of bad.

So I wanted ur takes.

i think that mac, lilypetal, boq, and you are all probably town. i'm starting to townlean porscha after her posts over the last page. i do not currently townread creatue or nanook and i'd like you to talk about your reads on both of whem please.

seanzie had a series of very villagery posts toward the beginning of the game, and his posts have had diminishing returns since then. he has been one of the players most responsible for creating momentum against boq, and i think this makes seanzie look worse in a world where boq id town (which i am leaning on being the case). seanzie echoed the likely incorrect scumread on lilypetal early in the game as well. seanzie pushed on jack, who was town, and pushed on you, who i think is probably town as well. he also silently switched his vote to alison to "keep things spicy" which i think looks awkward and out of place even in a world where alison is a wolf. he has also spent a great deal of time defending creature, which looks worse in a world where creature is wolf (which i am currently exploring as a possibility)

i think seanzie fits the archetype of a slot that is going under the radar and pushing on as many villagers as he possibly can. most of his posts seem to lack any clear solving intent and his reads largely feel like they're being pulled out of a magical hat

this is way more words than i intended to write when i meant to be asleep like an hour ago. if you want any more details from me then you're going to have to wait until tomorrow

Wow ok, I town read SPF individually, but god damn do we disagree on majority of our perspective...

Alison town? and you no longer town read Creature either???

Also, what happened to your Rondo push that you tried to get on yesterday, cause from what I remember you were really on that slot the most before u landed on Falcon.

And tbh, I am somewhat surprised you don't tl Nanook for his EoD as well SPF.

You also need to convince me with ur Lily tr as I am not there, but I aim to chat/discuss more with Lily tomorrow about the issues I have around her slot.

I will say tho, I agree with u that Seanzie had a series of villagery posts, and I mentioned earlier that his push on Boq is bad and it isn't good, but we both know that being wrong != mafia. Otherwise, everyone would be on Mac rn lol. Also, I know this is wifom, but it's a bit weird for Seanzi if he is mafia to kill one of his sr in the night when he was pushing that slot. And seanzie didn't really push on me? He just voted me and asked if I read his games, I don't think it was anything nefarious lol.

So in your opinion, does Seanzie appear to come out as a powerwolfer then from what you were describing about his play in regards to your tr? Tbh, I read over some of Seanzie's games, and he doesn't really seem like the powerwolfer that would fit the archetype that you seem to be describing about him. From my understanding, I think Seanzie was tr Falcon and sure he pushed on Jack a bit but Jack died in the night. I will agree that I disagree and dislike his push on Boq. But besides that, I could see that as a townie that is moving their vote around in a non-agenday way not looking for traction, but rather pushing on their mafia reads and going after what they believe in. This was actually a read I was reading on Falcon somewhat earlier in day 1 and look where that lead me :/

But in addition to your concerns with the "defence of Creature" Personally I still have some town leanings on Creature's slot so I think it's unfair to push Seanzie in that regards as we technically don't know Creature's alignment and I think he is slightly leaning town as well. I was quickly going back in the ISO of Jack and I saw that Creature was one of his most confident tr, so that is also playing into why I have creature slightly townie.

I woke up and she realised I am not just an easy lynch to save Alison (I think it was Alison/Falcon at that time? I need to go back and read EOD1 again)

[Seanzie]

Are y'all sure we shouldn't just kill Boq?

No

No, you aren't sure?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Kinda looking at Alison/Porscha/Rondo/ and possibly Lily for today.

I do acknlowdge that Alison/Porscha is prolly not w/w

So I have Rondo/Lily but I want to chat with Lily and hopefully Rondo as well, as I did not like their EoD either and a slot that has just not been solving either.

If I am wrong on one of them, I will have to likely evaluate one of my leaning tr earlier that I had.

I feel the best about Mac, SPF, and Boq rn followed somewhat by Nanook and Creature

lol

[Seanzie]

Are y'all sure we shouldn't just kill Boq?

the fact that you are unable to re-evaluate me even one single bit is hilarious and I will be annoying come post game tbh

nobody ever understands me. It is probably my own fault.

[Boquise]

Creature had Falcon as town early in the game for "he wouldn't push strong players" reasons. When I started pushing Falcon Creature pretty well just dropped that to point out that Falcon was exhibiting some tell ... something about "has a wolf agenda behind who he is tunneling". And went from having Falcon as a top townread, to voting him out to save Alison while doing everything he could to gaslight people into thinking that I was the sole perpetrator behind a mischop he knew was about to occur.

Then come day 2, both he and Alison are out here again pushing the idea that I am suspicious because I pushed Falcon over when;

1. Me pushing Falcon over on day 1 isn't scummy for me
2. Falcon was scummy enough to go over in a split vote
3. We got a split day 1 which is optimal day 1 play and as I pointed out it didn't matter to me which of them went over anyway
4. Creature was the co instigator of the Falcon wagon to begin with

At least Creature isn't straight up lying about it though. Alison is literally just making things up again. Much like she did yesterday.

Do you take into account that Creature is very squarely in their town meta though? Like maybe they're faking, but there are strong hints of town!Creature that I feel scum!Creature has a hard time faking, such as his slightly scatterbrain paranoia.

Also, Creature definitely will sheep people he thinks are good, so them following you on Falcon doesn't do much for me.

Finally, everybody's thinking the jack kill could have come from you, you yourself even said it was meant to frame you, so Creature considering you is not surprising or AI. Furthermore, if scum do hope a kill might frame someone, do you think the level 1 play is to jump out of the gate attacking the framed, or is it to see how townies act, and then act accordingly? I think the answer is usually to wait and see, so unless you think Creature is running a very specific play going against the strong natural instinct to wait, in order to attack you, a player he respects enough to not really want to go toe-to-toe with, you suggesting that Creature is part of a frame on you seems to lack depth of thought on the issue.

yeah so this echoes my thoughts on Creature. Creature is playing like his town-self here. It is understandably to push him or tinfoil him (I did so in my first game here on the syndicate), but he is playing similarly to how he has played the last two games we played.

This post also makes my town read on Seanzie harder.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm like 4 pages behind and dedicated to staying there, but the few pages I did read this morning give me one big impress

Mac and Alison are putting on a show. Wolf theatre 3000.

indradesting, you still feel this way?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Seanzie @Boquise more content pls

Spoiler: show

tbh

I don't see the need for more at this time. I've said what I have to say, I have a kill pool, im responsive to direct questions.

yeah I havent read them so giving me a cheat sheet would be helpful

You're welcome

[Seanzie]

Anyways the thing I was trying to do

Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

Reads:

Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

Thoughts...if TVT 1 of Boq Lily is almost 100% woof IMHO out of those I'm on Boq

PoE: Boq

Rondo and Seanzie actually feel mostly townie to me as of this day but what's the actual likelihood Alison's wagon is just pure? I dunno. Maybe 2 woofs stacked on Falcon by why not try to get Alison over as I've been repeatedly told she's a strong player.

Creature just feels outed

PoE: Creature, Boq

I kinda don't like Aro at all today and Nanook has felt off this entire game to me but I've never really felt Nanook was easy to read

PoE: Creature, Aro, Boq, Nanook

I dunno if I assumed woofs put 1 on each wagon I'd probably lean Seanzie, Creature, Boq... I'm kind of just leaning town on Alison harder and harder. I suck at mafia.

Anyways somewhere in the yellow are my woofs.

This is a bad post.

[RondoDimBuckle]

It's little wonder this game is in the state is in (toxic) when people are still content to flail about out on their own tinfoiling me (and others) instead of just doing what is optimal for the game.

While people are content to do that, they won't ever find the wim to bother reading my content and recognising the validity of it. If you are capable of reading my play in this game as wolfy or theatrical then what chance do I have of being heard?

I do not like this ATE

[RondoDimBuckle]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Seanzie @Boquise more content pls

Spoiler: show

tbh

I don't see the need for more at this time. I've said what I have to say, I have a kill pool, im responsive to direct questions.

yeah I havent read them so giving me a cheat sheet would be helpful

You're welcome

You bastard, I am already busy enough catching up on the main chat and you trick me into MORE reading

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Are y'all sure we shouldn't just kill Boq?

No

No, you aren't sure?

Yes

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Are y'all sure we shouldn't just kill Boq?

the fact that you are unable to re-evaluate me even one single bit is hilarious and I will be annoying come post game tbh

nobody ever understands me. It is probably my own fault.

I feel this on a deeply emotional level

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Anyways the thing I was trying to do

Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

Reads:

Alison (6): Neon, Porscha, Falcon, Seanzie, Jack, Rondo

Falcon (7): Creature, Aro, Alison, Mac, Lucy, SPF, Nanook

Porscha (2): Boq, Lily

Thoughts...if TVT 1 of Boq Lily is almost 100% woof IMHO out of those I'm on Boq

PoE: Boq

Rondo and Seanzie actually feel mostly townie to me as of this day but what's the actual likelihood Alison's wagon is just pure? I dunno. Maybe 2 woofs stacked on Falcon by why not try to get Alison over as I've been repeatedly told she's a strong player.

Creature just feels outed

PoE: Creature, Boq

I kinda don't like Aro at all today and Nanook has felt off this entire game to me but I've never really felt Nanook was easy to read

PoE: Creature, Aro, Boq, Nanook

I dunno if I assumed woofs put 1 on each wagon I'd probably lean Seanzie, Creature, Boq... I'm kind of just leaning town on Alison harder and harder. I suck at mafia.

Anyways somewhere in the yellow are my woofs.

This is a bad post.

Thank you. There's a vote button on the top of the page.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Next time I'll just post a blank page when someone asks for my thoughts

[Boquise]

[VOTE: Boquise] aubergine

Alright wolves seem to have at least one player who would do a gamer kill. I have Boquise and Seanzie in mind.

I also feel like I could be wrong on my arogame123 townread the most.

@Creature - why on earth is boq your first thought for who would make a gamer kill in this position? what does wolf!boq gain from making a gamer kill with this type of gamestate? he was widely POE'd yesterday and nearly went over, and jack dying today would accomplish nothing other than eliminate a viable mischop and increase boq's odds of getting pushed on even more

this is the same reason i am having trouble with seeing a wolf!alison, even though i have noticed some crumbs that lead to that direction tbh

[Boquise]

[VOTE: Boquise] aubergine

Alright wolves seem to have at least one player who would do a gamer kill. I have Boquise and Seanzie in mind.

I also feel like I could be wrong on my arogame123 townread the most.

@Creature - why on earth is boq your first thought for who would make a gamer kill in this position? what does wolf!boq gain from making a gamer kill with this type of gamestate? he was widely POE'd yesterday and nearly went over, and jack dying today would accomplish nothing other than eliminate a viable mischop and increase boq's odds of getting pushed on even more

Alright I think Boquise is more because I already suspected him yesterday than the nightkill thing. Though I also feel like wolf!Boquise could've easily made a weird kill to throw off town.

this is town!Creature

he has like a compulsion to sus me tbh

[RondoDimBuckle]

This post has been heavily edited, please go to original for full context

I already know SPF doesn't subscribe to the idea of needing to resolve the day 1 wagons. Which bothers me a great deal especially when it's Alison of all people, someone I know SPF knows Alison can fool her. And I think I've made several compelling arguments for why Alison is a wolf. I don't think she is playing the game like town Alison really at all and hasn't been for most of it.

Rondo/Sparkles - Sparkles was slanky wolfy. Rondo has been actively scummy with no remorse. That this slot is not being tunneled by the wolves is tripping me out even harder. I have no idea why this slot isn't more of a topic of conversation. Especially from someone like Alison who by their own mafia beliefs should be probably doming Rondo by now.

POE

Alison
Creature
Rondo

Noted, very interesting.

Hehehe, Dom me harder Alison (Actually, yeah, I expected to have to deal with Alison coming at me hard when I was reading up and I havent see anything from her on me. I should have just died day 1. Mac must be tinfoiling me HARD)

Has this gotten worse or better Mac?

Well I think we can all agree that this is 100% not the game winning POE here. But I like the other two atm

[MacDougall]

No I have you as lock town

[RondoDimBuckle]

Like we're probably either in a universe where:

Alison is mafia with whoever the fuck
or
Neon/Lily are mafia and their whole agenda in this game is just pocket and try to coast

I feel like almost everybody with the exception of Creature and SPF are relatively suspicious of Alison at this point? (If you aren't then vocalise it).

I feel like almost nobody EXCEPT Creature/Alison/SPF is suspicious of Neon or Lily?

@RondoDimBuckle can you come play or something.

@lucy what's your gamestate?

I have kinda not really felt any solving from Neon/Lily at this point, or any solving I have really been compelled by. So They need another look over once I have caught up

Also as an aside if you are going to Bold something can you increase its size too, I am blind apparently and every time you bold something I cant even see what is bolded. Or change its colour. I usually have to open it up to edit it and find the tags which is annoying.

[RondoDimBuckle]

No I have you as lock town

wooo, what was it?

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Boquise] aubergine

Alright wolves seem to have at least one player who would do a gamer kill. I have Boquise and Seanzie in mind.

I also feel like I could be wrong on my arogame123 townread the most.

@Creature - why on earth is boq your first thought for who would make a gamer kill in this position? what does wolf!boq gain from making a gamer kill with this type of gamestate? he was widely POE'd yesterday and nearly went over, and jack dying today would accomplish nothing other than eliminate a viable mischop and increase boq's odds of getting pushed on even more

Alright I think Boquise is more because I already suspected him yesterday than the nightkill thing. Though I also feel like wolf!Boquise could've easily made a weird kill to throw off town.

this is town!Creature

he has like a compulsion to sus me tbh

Nah man. He's outed mafia and has been in antispew for like 12 hours.

[MacDougall]

No I have you as lock town

wooo, what was it?

A steady flow of posts I thought were towny capped off by sharing my suspicions and reacting the same way I was reacting to things in real time.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Spoiler: show

I have skimmed the past few pages. Not gonna reply to every post, there's 40 minutes left in the day and I'd rather talk with people who are here. The wagon on me is horrible and most people have given literally no reason for voting me. Ergo Porscha is being saved again and their accomplices are in my voters. Ergo we should just vote out Porscha because every time they are under threat the worst wagon in the universe materializes on a strong player that it would be disastrous to execute D1.

@MacDougall Do you think mafia falcon has the balls to push me and you on D1 knowing we can easily find and bury him if he does?

Yes. As mafia he is not a pussy he is just obvious. He's gone straight at me as a wolf many times. That said I'm heavily conflicted on him right now because he does seem to believe what he's saying to some degree and having bad reads isn't something to particularly scumread Falcon for.

I'm no longer really thinking he's optimal anyway. Not with Rondo the supersub shifting his vote around silently and skating. I don't really see how it makes sense not to just kill Rondo here.

And Seanzie's play today has been a total shit show also.

As I started above these two and Jack are just like... I can't really figure a way to perceive them as town?

I agree, Rondo Flash Wagon

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Lets go Mac, Kingmaker. If I am wrong on Rondo, yeet me tomorrow.

Votes when I entered thread

Spoiler: show

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VC when Rondo subbed in.



VC 1 hour before EOD when Rondo made this post



So the key differences here are obviously, Jack's wagon just died entirely. It contained me, Creature, Alison. The next VC Creature and I were both on the other dead town. Alison moved to Porcha. I find it hard to reconcile that there isn't at least a wolf voting Jack here.

In the second VC both the dead town are voting Alison alongside Seanzie and Porscha, who I am townreading both of.

There is a lot going on here. I'm glad Rondo dropped these VCs, it's rather townie of him tbh.

We've got Creature/Mac/Lily/Lucy/Nook on Falcon
vs. Porscha wagon (Alison, Aro, Boq)
vs. Alison wagon (Seanzie, Porscha, Falcon, Jack)
vs. Sparkles wagon (Neon, SPF, Rondo lol)

There's going to be at least one mafia wagoned between these three surely. If there's not like we're probably just fucked. I kinda feel like if Sparkles/Rondo is town, then the temptation for a wolf to be there is gonna be very high. So @RondoDimBuckle I think if you are town you should probably be viewing Neon/SPF as a difference check?

@Alison if you are town, would you not have a difference check here between Seanzie and Porscha? Given 50% of your wagon here are dead townies?

@Porscha what do you make of Arogame and Boq voting you here?

There's a lot to glean from this exact wagon formation as the game progresses so I do hope people come back to it as we get more flips because it's likely to out people.

It's kinda crazy that none of Porscha, Alison and Rondo are voting Falcon right here. Like there's a townie with 5 votes on them and not a single person counterwagoned to them is voting them. They are all voting each other (Rondo is self voting). Porscha and Alison are just crossing here. Alison eventually self preservation votes, but I am not sure Porscha ever did?

I just think that this game needs Alison's flip very badly.

I feel like this post is designed to pocket me, I feel so warm and fluffy. But Mac will resolve himself so eh, no tinfoil today.

Could you explain the difference check part? Is it just one is town and one is wolf because its unlikely two wolves would be on me? If so who do you think it is? I know who I would lean to

As for the falcon vote. I didnt feel any pressure to actually go into self pres mode, if I was going to vote it wouldnt have been falcon because he is usually an early misyeet target and I didnt have the game read at that point. I would have gone Porcha/Alison most likely

[Seanzie]

I've still in the middle of towncasing myself and I debated whether to say this for awhile or if it would even help since I don't think I've ever discussed this before and it's icky but I'll just say it:

I promise I'm town.

You've never heard me say I promise in a mafia game before and you'll never hear me say I promise in a mafia game again. That's because it would be a trust tell if I did it as a pattern. I feel like as someone who lies because of being a mafia player I need to have something that's trustworthy no matter what and that's why I make sure my promises are 100% true.

This game is just so important to me and I know I'll feel absolutely horrible if I were the lylo mislim and the reason town loses that I feel like I have to do anything in my power to make town win.

Please don't copypasta this.

[Boquise]

[VOTE: Boquise] aubergine

Alright wolves seem to have at least one player who would do a gamer kill. I have Boquise and Seanzie in mind.

I also feel like I could be wrong on my arogame123 townread the most.

@Creature - why on earth is boq your first thought for who would make a gamer kill in this position? what does wolf!boq gain from making a gamer kill with this type of gamestate? he was widely POE'd yesterday and nearly went over, and jack dying today would accomplish nothing other than eliminate a viable mischop and increase boq's odds of getting pushed on even more

Alright I think Boquise is more because I already suspected him yesterday than the nightkill thing. Though I also feel like wolf!Boquise could've easily made a weird kill to throw off town.

this is town!Creature

he has like a compulsion to sus me tbh

Nah man. He's outed mafia and has been in antispew for like 12 hours.

i just read spf's walk back on creature and now i am walking back too tbh smh

[RondoDimBuckle]

Creature pushes quite firmly on Lilypetal, Seanzie, Mac, Boquise and a little bit onto Porscha.

He particularly took umbrage with me townreading Lily and Neon. His treatment of Seanzie, Lilypetal and I are very unpartnered. But given Creature seems to be a shielder not a busser, probably just all the above names would be spewed town if Creature is mafia.

The least hedgy townreads were on Falcon, Alison and Arogame. Every other townread came with caveats that contrast a great deal with the surety he had on his Lucy shield. Including on SPF, Lucy. He also townread MissSparkles off a nothing single post and then put her in his top tier. Lol.

I'd suggest that if he is mafia then Alison/Arogame/Rondo would contain at least one wolf.

Well this post doesn't look good for me :P I guess Mac has come round to creature just calling a town town (In the world where creature is wolf)

[Seanzie]

I'm like 4 pages behind and dedicated to staying there, but the few pages I did read this morning give me one big impress

Mac and Alison are putting on a show. Wolf theatre 3000.

indradesting, you still feel this way?

This is the single wolfiest post I've seen all game.

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

mac, don’t go off his play around me, i was mafia poisoned and wagon d1
he tried to and successfully spewed me town
his play would logically be different this game in compared to around me that game

I'm strictly comparing his early day 1 treatment of you. Which would be the most indicative of his standard.

hard disagree, i was mafia poisoner and a wagon for most of d1

How are you reading him right now? Like obviously you scumread him but are you treating him as lock mafia?

i’m always going between alison/creature today, i don’t think he’s 100% mafia but i haven’t iso’ed or anything
he has a great chance of flipping scum though which i don’t think anyone can disagree with

creature was middle of alison wagon, alison partner would make partner go onto her
but i really don’t think the solve is lily/creature/alison
which it could be

Im not sure how I feel about having read hardly any of the game coming to the same conclusion as Lucy. Either I am back with the pulse of the game already or I am eating up the narrative. :think:

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'm like 4 pages behind and dedicated to staying there, but the few pages I did read this morning give me one big impress

Mac and Alison are putting on a show. Wolf theatre 3000.

indradesting, you still feel this way?

This is the single wolfiest post I've seen all game.

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Cant argue with you there

[VOTE: Rondo ] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

@staypositivefriend if you are town i want to find you before today ends

You know something I have noticed so far that Lucy has said jack and shit to my slot other than a hi by this point. Not sure if its the fact that I was no posting but does she let Rondo slide on 12 hours of silence after 12 hours of silence into a loud EOD1? I dont think so.

[MacDougall]

Why don't you ask her.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Like we're probably either in a universe where:

Alison is mafia with whoever the fuck
or
Neon/Lily are mafia and their whole agenda in this game is just pocket and try to coast

I feel like almost everybody with the exception of Creature and SPF are relatively suspicious of Alison at this point? (If you aren't then vocalise it).

I feel like almost nobody EXCEPT Creature/Alison/SPF is suspicious of Neon or Lily?

@RondoDimBuckle can you come play or something.

@lucy what's your gamestate?

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spf and creature, game theory wise do we Lynch the cw?

We shouldn't restrict our lynch options today. It's not set in stone Alison is wolf and I feel like wolves are skating under the radar while we eat each other.

Maybe you just don't actually realise how bad this is but not killing the counterwagon on day 2 is the number 1 thing that leads to town losing mountainous games. Nothing else comes close.

Perhaps. I just hate giving wolves a free day pass because we have to resolve wagons when TvT wagons are quite common.

I'm still right. When two players end up being final wagons D1 and one of them gets flipped town, the other is bound to get resolved sooner or later. I just disagree they should be resolved instantly.

Like, in that game you're referencing at some poijt the wagons were you (wolf) v Chaos (town) v Vanta Black (town). Eventually your wagon collapsed into a Chaos (town) v Vanta Black (town) final thunderdome. Vanta Black ended up lynched that day and Chaos was poisoned the next night, while you got a pass all the way to endgame.

I'm concerned the same thing could've happened with Porscha (wolf) v Alison (town) v falcon45ca (town): the Porscha wagon collapsed into an Alison (town) v falcon45ca (town) final thunderdome where we lynched falcon45caand now we're resolving Alison while Porscha gets away.

creature currently voting SPF I guess this worry has evaporated

[RondoDimBuckle]

Hello, I'm around for a bit, incase anyone wants to real time.

Prolly won't have time to catch up till tomorrow after work.

I see your here Lily and I'd like to talk with u since I had some issues with ur EoD yesterday

I'm sleeping soon but I'll try to respond before then. I have talked a bit abt it already

What's up

So my main issue was how u voted EoD and the fact that it didn't match with ur motives/what u were saying.

Like you were sheeping your stronger tr, but then ended up voting vanity wagons and jumped off last second, when you could have earlier.

So it felt like you were tr these people and saying you'd follow, but then not follow cause you were afraid it would look bad on u. At least that's the impression I got with why u described u leaving the Falcon Wagon. Which to me felt like wolfy self-awareness.

addmittely tho, when u claimed that "I would be able to understand you better" I felt that was slightly townie from u, so I want to try and see if I can understand ur perspective in EoD. Cause as I mentioned, ur motive and action didn't match up so I felt meh around there

I did sheep my tr. I didn't vote alison. It's not about looking bad it's about making the wrong moves. Falcon seemed like he was gonna flip v by his posts and I panicked and felt bad and couldn't go to alison so I voted with boquise. It was not a confident eod.

But see, you were sheeping Mac from what I remember and you didn’t vote Alison cause he said not to, which fine, but then also didn’t want to vote out Porscha from my understanding. He’d mention how he didn’t feel that Porscha was mafia. So that’s why when you jumped off from Falcon and onto Porscha, it was confusing, because it didn’t match with what you were doing with “sheeping” and you went off to a vanity wagon.

Because do you see the problem here? You mention you believe Falcon is V, but then unvoting him and going to a vanity wagon doesn’t help him live. And that vote still went against a “sheep” that you had with Mac and I think SPF to an extent. So that’s why if you thought falcon is V, why didn’t you vote the CW to keep him alive? Like that’s why I’m confused with your thoughts/motive didn’t match the action you made.

Surely you knew that Porscha wouldn’t die there with your late switch right?

My thoughts and motives totally lined up with my actions. I sheeped spf and didn't vote alison but I figured mac was wrong and voted off the wagon because of it. You're stuck on who I went to but I just wanted to vote with boquise because I thought it would be cute and i wanted off the obv town. I never thought porscha would die lol.

I love Aero's questions, Hate Lily's responses.

The part where he specifically points out if she thinks Falcon is obvious town she should be trying to save him and finding a wolf, yet she just says it would be cute to just slam on porcha because she knows she isnt going to die doesnt deal with the fact that if Lily KNOWS Falcon is obv town she would want to as town slam anyone else who is slightly wolfy for her. But she just shrugs and gets on Porcha and lets nature take its course.


Aero can be my first town