King of the Hill Mafia

[robyn]

Still just think Alison and Creature are both mafia tbh

game is super ez if true

[MacDougall]

i am getting mildly tilted by the gamestate but it's because i am partly grumpy and tired so im trying to hold my tongue

this gamestate is really quite horrible though

We'll prob end up (mis)lynching falcon45ca D1 again.

aren't u on Falcon rn tho? I am confused.

I'm kinda sheeping Mac and I also have a feeling falcon45ca is hitting his wolf tell of repeatedly pushing someone as if he had an agenda.

Though lynching falcon45ca D1 gives me deja vu of Halvosen Ridge where he was wolfread by reputable players D1 and ended up flipping town.

i am getting mildly tilted by the gamestate but it's because i am partly grumpy and tired so im trying to hold my tongue

this gamestate is really quite horrible though

We'll prob end up (mis)lynching falcon45ca D1 again.

I've seen that happen 1 time. I've seen him flip wolf about 10.

Yeah good spot, Creature with the blatant TMI and Mac with the blatant lack of it.

[Boquise]

Jackofhearts2005, Creature, falcon45ca
and
Porscha and Seanzie have telegraphed their votes on me.

Lily seems to only follow the consensus of other people regarding me instead of creating original reads, so could as well vote there.
Neon has voted me before so could re-vote.

7 players, I think there should be a wolf there tbh

Green = flipped town
blue = town read

Left with Lily, Neon, Creature - town leans.

I am hearing what peeps be saying about Creature. But him being unconfident with a main wagon isnt a scum tell of him, since he has done that as town in our two last games tbh

not caught up yet so havent formed a definite opinion tbh

[arogame123]

Ok, we have 13 players, I know I am town, so that's a free space in the bingo card.

I also feel pretty confident with Boq, Mac, and SPF town right now in that order.

That leaves us a pool of 9 players in no order: Neon, Rondo, Alison, Nanook, Lucy, Lily, Seanzie, Porscha, Creature

Looking at slight leaning towns, I have Lucy for her solving and casing today, and the sponge read on on Lily from SPF, Seanzie from the comparison of meta from previous game

That leaves us a pool of 6 players in no order: Neon, Rondo, Alison, Nanook, Porscha, Creature

Neon has just fell off naturally for me because of the fact of other players becoming townier and I don't remember much meaningful contribution since day 1. Only had slight tr for "vibing" and initial posting in thread. I liked Nanook purely for his "pro-town" move at EoD1. I thought Rondo's contributions and conviction to SPF was pretty good. I also felt that Porscha's AtE and her frustration/entitlement of being in the POE and just having to fight felt townie as well. Creature has fallen off for me and has been independently scummy for me. Alison was scummy for me day 1 and came into today with a lack of self-pres which I find townie, but knowing they are probably in a position where they die, I could see them doing it as mafia.

From this group of 6 if I had to order from townier to scummier: Porscha, Rondo, Nanook, Neon, Creature, Alison

Let's list who I believe the non w/w are from this list of 6:

Porscha/Alison

So that leaves us 4 of, Rondo, Nanook, Neon, and Creature with 2 having to be in here. Order of townier to scummier.

So I believe there are at least 2 in Rondo/Nanook/Neon/Creature based on that.

And overall I do believe the likely 3 mafia are in Porscha, Rondo, Nanook, Neon, Creature, and Alison, unless I am miss reading one of my town leans.

Let me know if anyone has any other dissociations that they believe I did not include in the POE of 6 I listed. I also posted a bigger list including the whole player list earlier in my ISO.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

What’s ur current gamestate/view like on who u want to kill today?

I am struggling to find scum but I have an abundance of town per usual

Town: spf, Mac, Boquise, Porscha, Neon

Not sure how I feel about creature. Moved lucy to null because I think her play could very easily come from a wolf.

Seanzie seems kinda meh I need to iso

Someone once told me if you are struggling to find scum but your good at finding town than find town and anyone you don't find as town are your scum pile

And that's kinda worked for me so far.

[arogame123]

Jackofhearts2005, Creature, falcon45ca
and
Porscha and Seanzie have telegraphed their votes on me.

Lily seems to only follow the consensus of other people regarding me instead of creating original reads, so could as well vote there.
Neon has voted me before so could re-vote.

7 players, I think there should be a wolf there tbh

Green = flipped town
blue = town read

Left with Lily, Neon, Creature - town leans.

I am hearing what peeps be saying about Creature. But him being unconfident with a main wagon isnt a scum tell of him, since he has done that as town in our two last games tbh

not caught up yet so havent formed a definite opinion tbh

I believe it was also the fact that Alison was a CW on day 1 and Creature usually kills the CW as the "optimal move" and they also had some suspicions on Alison slot, and they seemed hedgy and unsure about it, which was the biggest case I saw from Lucy.

[arogame123]

I wish there was an ISO for just POEs so I can control + f and just compare with others instead of asking lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

My thoughts and motives totally lined up with my actions. I sheeped spf and didn't vote alison but I figured mac was wrong and voted off the wagon because of it. You're stuck on who I went to but I just wanted to vote with boquise because I thought it would be cute and i wanted off the obv town. I never thought porscha would die lol.

You said you were sheeping Mac though right? Like I’m trying to understand that you were sheeping Mac, SPF, and I guess somewhat boq?

They were both on falcon and you thought they were wrong on him.

What were and are your current takes on Alison then? Why didn’t you want to save who u viewed as “obv town”

I expressed it. I valued spf's opinion maybe out of fear maybe out of respect and didn't vote on Alison. I sheeped mac on Falcon. I didn't sheep boq lol like I said my vote swap wasn't me trying to kill porscha..

I think Alison is fine. I was a bit sus day 1 but like spf said light sus doesn't cut it u need an argument and I didn't have one. I'm not sure how you're misunderstanding me

Ok so you expressed interest in SPF’s opinion onto not voting Alison fine. You sheeped Mac on Falcon fine. You thought Falcon was obvious town, fine.

I know you know your vote wasn’t trying to kill Porscha but I said earlier, that your vote not only did it make us potentially lose a lynch, from your POV, if you thought more confidently about Falcon being “obv town” why didn’t you want to save Falcon then? Like that’s what I’m trying to understand now then if that makes sense. Like either A you stay on Falcon with the sheep on Mac, but B if you thought falcon was “obv town” why didn’t you attempt to save him then?

Like did you want to save him by tying wagons and make us lose a ml? Like that’s the only thing I can see and if that was your intentions, as bad as that is, I can sort of empathise with that.

Hopefully that makes more sense.

It wasn't about saving him. It was about not being one to bury him. You realize in my pov it's a lose-lose, right? Falcon is town posting right before death. If I vote Alison I am morally executed for killing a good player day 1. I just said fuck it I'll walk my own path and voted off wagons.

I didn't think we would lose an elim because I didn't do it last second. It was like 1-2 mins before with plenty of people active in thread and as you saw we did get the elim. What ifs don't rly matter because I didn't cost us the elim. If I did then fuck I suck but I didn't. I suck anyway but I did the thing I wanted to do in the end

Ok, so my question then is, even if you stayed on Falcon, why were you worried people would push you or feel the way they did about you?

Like yes, I can understand it’s a lose-lose situation from your POV and that makes more sense after your previous statements. But were you worried of how you were perceived if you kept your vote on Falcon and he died?

By walking your own paths, was your goal to dissociate yourself from the wagons coming into today?

And I can’t really look at vote counts or time stamps. I was referring to Lucy’s vote count posts. So if that were the case of it being 1-2 min, then that’s one thing that has less of an impact.

no lol i voted off wagon in a spur of the moment decision saw he flipped town and went YEP I WAS RIGHT then thought about it after and went god people are gonna push me for this arent they

like if im a wolf explain why I don't just sit on the falcon wagon and blame mac when he flips town

To be fair from a strictly Neon view I don't see the wolf motivation for this vote switch ever I only see the town motivation for it and i think trying to scum read Lily because of it is kind of silly. Why does scum Lily need to move off the wagon? Nobody is gonna look at her first on that wagon hell nobody is gonna look at her at all on that wagon imho.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

It is clear you people cannot solve the game or move on without seeing my flip so let's just do that today. I will admit I was a bit hesitant at the start of today because Jack is an odd kill for Porscha to make and I didn't really want to allow chain Alison -> Porscha misexes if that was the case. I don't care any more though, I'm more of a liability at this point given that so many people are stuck without knowing I'm town + Porscha is probably scum regardless. (Also I cannot be allowed to endgame under any circumstances, it's a free win for mafia if I do.)

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

My legacy POE is given. If you put a gun to my head and told me to give an exact team solve, I'd say Porscha/Creature/SPF. Creature is right, 3 "POE'd" slots doesn't kill Jack over SPF or Mac. Mac is town ergo SPF is in the team and killed Jack because he was the only one sussing her. It would explain why a Porscha team would kill Jack, and I think it neatly explains everything that went on D1.

Man I hate when people vote themself. It's so anti town but for some reason it also statistically seems to come from town most often.

*sigh* and also it works on me. Now I feel bad for voting here.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Cool. Everyone else, don't let Lilypetal out of your POE for the rest of the game.

Too late

[arogame123]

It is clear you people cannot solve the game or move on without seeing my flip so let's just do that today. I will admit I was a bit hesitant at the start of today because Jack is an odd kill for Porscha to make and I didn't really want to allow chain Alison -> Porscha misexes if that was the case. I don't care any more though, I'm more of a liability at this point given that so many people are stuck without knowing I'm town + Porscha is probably scum regardless. (Also I cannot be allowed to endgame under any circumstances, it's a free win for mafia if I do.)

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

My legacy POE is given. If you put a gun to my head and told me to give an exact team solve, I'd say Porscha/Creature/SPF. Creature is right, 3 "POE'd" slots doesn't kill Jack over SPF or Mac. Mac is town ergo SPF is in the team and killed Jack because he was the only one sussing her. It would explain why a Porscha team would kill Jack, and I think it neatly explains everything that went on D1.

Man I hate when people vote themself. It's so anti town but for some reason it also statistically seems to come from town most often.

*sigh* and also it works on me. Now I feel bad for voting here.

I did ask some people and they said they have seen Alison do it as town more often than not when they know they are going to die, but then I also saw they mentioned that Alison is capable of doing that as mafia esp if she knows that she is going to die.

But when I disregard that and look at her iso and from day 1 with her treatment of certain slots, I got scummy vibes from her.

[Boquise]

[VOTE: Lilypetal] aubergine


for now

[Boquise]

i wouldnt town read Alison for self-voting tbh

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

You guys are dumb, I'm town

Oh well, it's been a slice.


Alison, Mac, Boq


Legacy.



Peace out homies, and good luck town. I now must make supper

this was the entirety of his eod so this is all we could be talking about. if you don't think it's towny that's fine but it resonated with me

[arogame123]

i wouldnt town read Alison for self-voting tbh

Reverse psychology lol

[arogame123]

[VOTE: Lilypetal] aubergine


for now

oh interesting, which post pinged you out?

At this point, I am sponging the 100% confident tr that SPF had on Lily into my town leans and after talking with her a bit I could understand her perspective and her EoD 1. Esp in v/v wagons, I think Lily is very likely just town tbh. I've seen it in my semi's and I won't let it bite me again here if that is the case.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

You guys are dumb, I'm town

Oh well, it's been a slice.


Alison, Mac, Boq


Legacy.



Peace out homies, and good luck town. I now must make supper

this was the entirety of his eod so this is all we could be talking about. if you don't think it's towny that's fine but it resonated with me

What about it resonated with you? "You guys are dumb, I'm town" has to be one of the most common things I've seen said, by players of either alignment imminently before their death. His legacy is just a restatement of his old reads... what exactly did you think was townie about it?

if im being honest with u it's the casual nature of his legacy post. it just seemed like a towny being day 1 MLed. reminded me of other games

This. But also for me it was the timing of it. EoD was upon us the wagons were close and I supposed close enough that someone could have saved him off it but it felt to me due to the timing of it that it was agendaless he was going over he knew he was and he popped in to have a laugh at how dumb town was being and throw down a quick legacy.

[arogame123]

Also, @Seanzie I would be interested to hear your thoughts when you have the chance if you read my games.

[Boquise]

[VOTE: Lilypetal] aubergine


for now

oh interesting, which post pinged you out?

At this point, I am sponging the 100% confident tr that SPF had on Lily into my town leans and after talking with her a bit I could understand her perspective and her EoD 1. Esp in v/v wagons, I think Lily is very likely just town tbh. I've seen it in my semi's and I won't let it bite me again here if that is the case.

it is slightly pinging how she is sponging on reads during the eod and could be pocket attempts. Post 1612 what made me decide to vote tbh

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

i would like neon to be town because i like her playstyle/personality

It's your lucky day cause I'm totes town

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Neon still bothers me for sounding robotic.

I kinda think Rondo is town here, but meh.

Robotic? How the fuck do I sound robotic lol

[arogame123]

Neon still bothers me for sounding robotic.

I kinda think Rondo is town here, but meh.

Robotic? How the fuck do I sound robotic lol

Dw, we can be robotic buddies lol

[arogame123]

I'll try to be on tomorrow during EoD but most likely won't be as avail with work and all. Will try to chime in here and there before. I'd advise we avoid vanity wagons and go onto the main wagons, thanks.

[arogame123]

Also this song/remix instrumental kinda lit.

[Boquise]

Level 1 reads based on this eod period

Towniest

SPF
Aro
Boq
Nanook
Lucy
Neon

Conflicted

Porscha
Falcon
Alison
Creature
Lily

Completely absent of towniness

Seanzie
Jack
Rondo

I'd happily flashwagon any of the bottom 3 lol

not w/w tbh

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

People who have read the whole game and are not Creature/Porcha/SPF is that team viable?

That is the exact 3 people I have been pushing as my team solve for the past 10 pages.

Mac said you and he had a conversation about how in mountainous you need to resolve day 1 wagons. Are you saying you didnt have this conversation? Why are you trying to not go over so hard when you think that is the case? Why are you not trying to push Porcha?

I... what?

[Boquise]

Also this song/remix instrumental kinda lit.

I love bardcore tbh

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

i hate this post
especially because it goes 24h before eod

yah it feels a bit like anti-spew, not sure why creature is already throwing in the towel and planning for his death when alison is literally still the leading wagon

Hasn't Alison done the exact same?

this response makes no sense because alison was/is in the leading wagon and is widely agreed to be the person who dies today, so it makes sense for her to throw in the towel. it does not make sense for you to throw in the towel

why are you trying to deflect to alison instead of standing up for your own actions?

I don't know. I've been treated with bad-faith so much I'd rather just command town what to do after I die. Alison prob still needs to be resolved because now I feel like she is playing against her own standards. Mac needs to die D4 if he's still alive and hasn't produced us any pelt. Then you prob have to go if you have only pushed town all game.

You know what. I was just going to let this post slide by because I kinda agree with it but no. No. We dont just kill good players because they survive too long. Thats exactly what wolves want us to do in some games and know they can get a free lynch out. Policying Mac 2 days in the future is just a post that rubs me the wrong way.

It's day 4.

Mac has succesfully led three horrible mislynches the first three days.

Wolves have only nightkilled potatoes (Jack, Porscha and uh...Neon?).

What do you do?

So you think I'm town than

[Boquise]

I'll try to be on tomorrow during EoD but most likely won't be as avail with work and all. Will try to chime in here and there before. I'd advise we avoid vanity wagons and go onto the main wagons, thanks.

I am probably end up on Creature or Alison, but there will be problems if I end up thinking both are town tbh
Rn I am leaning more to Alison than Creature

[Boquise]

There is NO REASON TO AVOID STRONG PLAYERS DAY 1 IF THEY ARE STRONG THEY WILL WIN GAME IF NOT THEY ARE WOLVES god what a dumb dumb dumb line of reasoning get it together

yeah I will keep town reading this tbh

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I dont disagree if Alison flips town I am doing a 720 on Mac

Yes, because if I flip town you will kill one of my top townreads at the behest of one of my top scumreads.

I'm pretty positive that a 720 means the read wouldn't change at all lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Seanzie @Boquise more content pls

Spoiler: show

tbh

threesomes r pro town

im straight

[Boquise]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

i changed my mind. seanzie should die today and everyone should vote with me

Is there a way to retroactively look at the vote count at this post's creation?
I gather it was Falcon vs Porscha?

If Porscha is w, spf's scum equity goes up.
If Porsha v, spf's scum equity goes down.

I am at the latter tbh

[MacDougall]

Nanook
Porscha
SPF
Boq
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

^ kinda think all of these are town lol

Would like succinct but persuasive reasoning for other players so I can make this big enough for my POE to kill the mafia lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

there should be a Balkans mafia where the flavor is just names of the Balkan countries

then mafia is just Turkey, Ottoman Empire, and the Byzantine Empire

Honestly I'd play it

[Boquise]

why do i feel like jack is openwolfing with every post he makes

Because you need to have more respect for my wolfgame.

the thing is that i have more respect for your towngame than whatever it is youre doing right now. no offense

wolves very rarely talk like this to villagers tbh

[Boquise]

Nanook
Porscha
SPF
Boq
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

^ kinda think all of these are town lol

Would like succinct but persuasive reasoning for other players so I can make this big enough for my POE to kill the mafia lol

sell me on nanook and rondo tbh

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

but since I am talking to you three scum directly, I will not say who I think it is and you have to gauge if I'm bluffing or not

I am willing to 90% guess that there's a 70% chance your 95% not bluffing 100% of the time

[robyn]

have you gotten to the creature case @Boquise

[Boquise]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

10 minutes to EOD, whatever.

Mafia probably hard power wolfed this EOD.

If I go over policy Porscha and Jack without thinking twice. Terrible wagons have been set up to save them and they have both wolfsided like crazy while also being scummy like crazy.

So this is where I dont understand why wolf!Alison would find it a good idea to NK Jack on N1 tbh

[Boquise]

have you gotten to the creature case @Boquise

nope

[Boquise]

Where even are creature boq and lily?

kinda a waste to comment on this but i have been pretty clear that i wont be around for eod ever and iirc i even said goodnight tbh

[Boquise]

You guys are dumb, I'm town

Oh shit this was a mislynch indeed

i have seen this come from town!Creature at least a few times. Not super hard to fake tho

[Boquise]

You guys are dumb, I'm town

What was it that made you think this post was very townie @Lilypetal

[Boquise]

yeah i moved off falcon and onto porscha with boq just so i wouldn't be a part of it lmao

could be a way to have clean hands tbh

[Boquise]

jack nk makes 0 sense oh god

My first inclination is that it's the kill you make when you don't want to be caught for "still being alive".

Like this kill is the strict counterplay to what I was saying about the strong players self resolving. (Not that Jack isn't strong when he wants to be).

It doesn't change anything about who I want to kill day 2 though.

You/SPF/Boq are the three top candidates for scum in that position, because I am never getting nightkilled in this game state.

Really just me SPF lol. I don't think Boq plays it that way if he is the deepwolf. Sure if it's SPF AND Boq maybe. But also it's just not.

But it can also just be some smarty pants like Nanook deciding to make this kill because he knows that it will sew dissension. Especially when I am prone to tunneling SPF.

I don't really think SPF ever doesn't kill me n1 though because it just strictly makes the game harder for her. So I am inclined to think this kill has come mostly from a "gamerism" perspective. From something like Alison/Nanook+.

NKA chatter is over though. You die today Alison so you can pick your counterwagon.

Correct. Early game I go for what I view is the optimal kill and I do not want to help town with removing a misyeet target tbh.
Either this is wifom or Jack had a good read list.


anyway,
That Falcon wagon was atrocious, now when I have read the context tbqfh.

[Boquise]

Also I don't make gamer kills, I literally just got banned on MU for screaming at my wolf partner trying to make a gamer kill.

I think a "maintain status quo" kill is in your wheelhouse yeah?

Mac kill would maintain status quo (and it should be obvious we are not wolves together) and get rid of someone who had a deathtunnel on me. Or Boq/SPF, which is a move that wouldn't change many people's reads and would achieve pretty much the same result. If I want to maintain status quo as a wolf I just shoot a consensus townread or strong player and call it SPK. There is no reason for me to do otherwise, and given that the status quo involves half the game scumreading me I don't think I'd want to keep it stagnant as a wolf anyway.

This is interesting.
Killing Jack does not maintain the status quo. It can potentially steer up the game and make people re-evaluate.
Something you as a wolf would need right now, right?

[MacDougall]

Nanook
Porscha
SPF
Boq
Lucy
Rondo
Seanzie

^ kinda think all of these are town lol

Would like succinct but persuasive reasoning for other players so I can make this big enough for my POE to kill the mafia lol

sell me on nanook and rondo tbh

sell me first on players outside of this list that you townread lol

[Boquise]

Creature had Falcon as town early in the game for "he wouldn't push strong players" reasons. When I started pushing Falcon Creature pretty well just dropped that to point out that Falcon was exhibiting some tell ... something about "has a wolf agenda behind who he is tunneling". And went from having Falcon as a top townread, to voting him out to save Alison while doing everything he could to gaslight people into thinking that I was the sole perpetrator behind a mischop he knew was about to occur.

Then come day 2, both he and Alison are out here again pushing the idea that I am suspicious because I pushed Falcon over when;

1. Me pushing Falcon over on day 1 isn't scummy for me
2. Falcon was scummy enough to go over in a split vote
3. We got a split day 1 which is optimal day 1 play and as I pointed out it didn't matter to me which of them went over anyway
4. Creature was the co instigator of the Falcon wagon to begin with

At least Creature isn't straight up lying about it though. Alison is literally just making things up again. Much like she did yesterday.

hmm
but creature did propose on page 30 that Falcon was scum. I thought he did it before you? I need to look that one up!

[Lilypetal]

You guys are dumb, I'm town

What was it that made you think this post was very townie @Lilypetal

was mostly the 2nd post but both together just seemed towny to me dunno