King of the Hill Mafia

[arogame123]

Porscha being so "lock confirmed" on SPF was one thing I wanted to see but I do believe the way SPF has apporached today does seem like a townie that knew they were going to die and wanted to leave their legacy.

If Seanzie is mafia, the +1 is going to a bit difficult to find, but I believe SPF did point out good reasons to sr him and his posts today didn't look good. I only had him as town for meta and some legacies but the progression and deflectiveness isn't good either.

[arogame123]

AHHHHHH

[RondoDimBuckle]

@staypositivefriend I assume that if you knew there was a difference check between them, you would kill Sean over rondo, yeah?

Basically I'm asking which you're more confident in being mafia if only one of them is

yeah, i'm more confident in seanzie being mafia than rondo since i think it's still theroetically possible for rondo to be an incorrect/misled villager and i think that seanzie has reacted and played this EOD significantly more wolfier than him

I came into the thread with 4 votes on me, no idea why, and no time to read back. Again, replace "wolf" with "busy" in every case SPF makes and it is the same. There is nothing "wolfy" about me here. Null, sure. But nothing wolfy.

Town case yourself.

What have you done this game that is towny?

All I have seen is "Caught up" dip

Have you done any hunting other than me?

[Seanzie]

btw if arogame kills me over seanzie today then i think there's a possibility that he/seanzie are W/W together, since he has no real reasons to townread seanzie from his point of view and since i think he would be able to reasonably get to a world where i'm town if he was town too

if he votes seanzie and seanzie is W then he is probably clear and shouldn't be tinfoileed

Suggesting another villager couldn't find me village is wrong.

[Lilypetal]

aro can you decide your vote soon

[staypositivefriend]

aro if you think that me/seanzie are W/W then just vote seanzie with me and let me bus him lol

[arogame123]

@staypositivefriend Are you on Seanzie/Rondo as the likeliest team rn?

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend Are you on Seanzie/Rondo as the likeliest team rn?

yes but if you vote for me today then i think the team also has a high chance of being you/seanzie. gl gl!

[arogame123]

@Seanzie I know ur on SPF rn, who do u think the other is? I saw u mention Nook earlier. What are ur current thoughts? Can you talk to me about ur POV?

[arogame123]

aro can you decide your vote soon

I will yes.

I just want to discuss with both of them fully before I cast my vote.

[arogame123]

@staypositivefriend Are you on Seanzie/Rondo as the likeliest team rn?

yes but if you vote for me today then i think the team also has a high chance of being you/seanzie. gl gl!

very convincing :/

[Seanzie]

that post from aro is so bad that i actually think he might be teamed with seanzie if he votes me over seanzie today

This looks like a wolf trying to pressure a villager to vote a villager.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Honestly killing Seanzie now is a good argument but its the same Argument that Nanook is making for SPF so either way we are looking at SPF > Seanzie or Seanzie > SPF so really the game is over already if both of them are town

I mean yea, that's kind of what I was thinking too and if both are mafia, it doesn't matter anyway. I just feel like the way SPF started today by discussing about LyLo voting and then re-evaluating has been townie and not "anti-spew."

Can people lmk what they think of my list please?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Is there any chance your SPF [REDACTED] could be wrong?

Yes of course there's always a chance

[arogame123]

@Seanzie Why do you keep responding to SPF?? COnvince me dude lol

[arogame123]

Where is ur head at rn?

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend Are you on Seanzie/Rondo as the likeliest team rn?

yes but if you vote for me today then i think the team also has a high chance of being you/seanzie. gl gl!

very convincing :/

i mean, can you give me a a single reason why you would vote for me over seanzie today? do u have a single reason to call seanzie town right now or to think that im wolfier than him?

[arogame123]

Man, I don't like that Seanzie just came here shading SPF instead of trying to talk to me when I have the deciding vote lol.

Also @Seanzie why did you say I was mafia earlier and then never elaborate on that? What were ur thoughts when you brought that up.

[arogame123]

@staypositivefriend Are you on Seanzie/Rondo as the likeliest team rn?

yes but if you vote for me today then i think the team also has a high chance of being you/seanzie. gl gl!

very convincing :/

i mean, can you give me a a single reason why you would vote for me over seanzie today? do u have a single reason to call seanzie town right now or to think that im wolfier than him?

I already mentioned that I believe you have been townier today than Seanzie and Seanzie's progression that you pointed out was scummy.

[Seanzie]

how did seanzie and rondo interact?

-seanzie calls out rondo for not posting enough content in this post (viewtopic.php?p=956470#p956470) and then never follows up with it again

-after rondo makes a post asking seanzie a basic question about his reads, seanzie votes for rondo and says it is the "wolfiest post he has seen all game" (viewtopic.php?p=956777#p956777)

-on viewtopic.php?p=956852#p956852, seanzie refers to rondo as an "outed wolf"

-on viewtopic.php?p=957026#p957026, rondo/seanzie have a softball interaction about rondo's read on alison

-on viewtopic.php?p=958170#p958170, seanzie discredits my reasoning for townreading rondo and implies that it is fallacious

-in response to aro posting a list of towns, seanzie says that he thinks rondo and porscha are the two most likely who could be wolves, but they could all "easily be okay" (viewtopic.php?p=958470#p958470)

-seanzie responds to a post from rondo and says that he does not think rondo is town, and that he thinks the mafia are boq/lily. if one of boq/lily are town, he says he thinks that the mafia is me. if there's still a mafia after that, he thinks it would be rondo (viewtopic.php?p=958475#p958475)

from this point forward, the two of them continue to have some lightly contentious interactions that are pretty silly/lighthearted in tone

how did rondo and seanzie interact?


-rondo says that if alison flips mafia, seanzie is "town or deep wolf", which is a non-sequitur and a meaningless thing to say (viewtopic.php?p=956365#p956365)

-rondo says he likes a post from seanzie (viewtopic.php?p=954734#p954734)

-rondo asks creature to talk more about why he scumreads seanzie - does not follow up with this question ever again (viewtopic.php?p=956453#p956453)

-viewtopic.php?p=956731#p956731 softball interaction between the two of them

-rondo says that seanzie and alison have W/W equity on viewtopic.php?p=956737#p956737

-more softball interaction on viewtopic.php?p=956756#p956756

-viewtopic.php?p=956828#p956828 rondo implies that he townreads seanzie out of nowhere, in spite of his last interaction with seanzie implying that he thought that seanzie/alison had W/W equity

-rondo reacts to seanzie's vote on him by calling him an "outed wolf" viewtopic.php?p=956843#p956843

-....in spite of this, he calls seanzie a townlean shortly after anyway, and says it's because "seanzie made a ridiculous push on me" (viewtopic.php?p=957030#p957030)

-rono quotes a post from seanzie, calls it scummy, and says he "could go seanzie" (viewtopic.php?p=958474#p958474)

-rondo/seanzie have some brief interaction in which rondo cocnludes that he will "keep tunneling" seanzie (viewtopic.php?p=958481#p958481)

-viewtopic.php?p=960291#p960291 rondo says that he "wouldn't be surprised if seanzie was a wolf"

SO, in short, (this is the important part of the post that you should read):

from seanzie's side of things, seanzie very briefly pushed rondo at a couple of points throughout d1 and d2 - referring to him as an "outed wolf" and saying that he made the scummiest post he has ever seen

from d3 onward, seanzie stops pushing on rondo entirely, signal boosts a readslist from aro that contains rondo as town, and says that he would resolve me/illy/boq before he would push on rondo. he has made no further attempts to develop his read on rondo, push on rondo, or signal boost any suspicion toward rondo whatsoever. instead, he has consistently pushed a POE of me/lily/boq while giving rondo the cold shoulder

from rondo's side of things, rondo has a few softball interactions with seanzie early in the game, says that alison/seanzie have W/W equity multiple times, calls seanzie an outed wolf, and then suddenly shifts to townreading seanzie for vague and unclear reasons. from here, rondo makes several posts shading seanzie by saying he "wouldn't be surprised if seanzie was a wolf", but he has continued to push a POE of me/lily/boq

I assume this is what Lily was referring to.

At least from my side, pretty much any accusation here is explained by the fact that I have just been busy.

I didn't push rondo at x time because I wasn't following the game closely at x time, and Rondo wasn't the person I thought most likely to be a wolf.

I mean, sure SPF winning the effort contest here, but effort \neq town.

erhh, that's not true though. The times you had made posts even if they are less than others, haven't focused on the sr you had on Rondo earlier and you seemed to not focus it on much. The main case isn't cause you are busy but because of your progressions.

Yesterday my play pretty much consisted of checking in occasionally, seeing that Boq was top wagon, and checking back out, because the situation was more-or-less how I wanted it. I don't remember a single thing from Rondo yesterday, I might not have read one of their posts. You can say it is a "lack of progression", but you're expecting someone who barely kept up to have the progression of someone reading carefully.

[arogame123]

Are you there Seanzie?

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend Are you on Seanzie/Rondo as the likeliest team rn?

yes but if you vote for me today then i think the team also has a high chance of being you/seanzie. gl gl!

very convincing :/

i mean, can you give me a a single reason why you would vote for me over seanzie today? do u have a single reason to call seanzie town right now or to think that im wolfier than him?

I already mentioned that I believe you have been townier today than Seanzie and Seanzie's progression that you pointed out was scummy.

ok so then why are you acting uncertain? what are you hesitant about rn?

[Seanzie]

arogame talk to me about where ur head is at right now. who do u want to kill between me and seanzie? do u still want me to die today? what are u thinking?

Yea, so this is my current head rn.

My towns are Nanook and Porscha, both split on both wagons lol.

Let me organize the rest of Lily/SPF/Rondo/Seanzie and the liklihood of teams within there.

So from most likely to least likely of the teams that remain in there:

SPF/Seanzie

Lily/Rondo

Lily/Seanzie

SPF/Rondo

SPF/Lily

Rondo/Seanzie

okay wait, how the fuck do you perceive me and seanzie as being the most probable team and rondo/seanzie as being the least probable team? i am actively trying to get seanzie murdered today and am actively thunderdoming him, and you think that we still have W/W equity, but you think that rondo/seanzie don't have W/W because they had an awkward interactio once? are you serious?

if you are wolf/wolf its the only option you have because of how Seanzie has been playing and you want to get the credit from a thunder dome when you were going to be one of the two people on the chopping block anyway. Its a good way to get town cred as a wolf. (That requires both Seanzie and SPF to be wolf for this to be true)

seanzie wasn't even close to on the chopping block before spf's case

it was me and spf

It's almost as if wolf spf was backed into a corner and had to make a lhf wagon happen.

[arogame123]

how did seanzie and rondo interact?

-seanzie calls out rondo for not posting enough content in this post (viewtopic.php?p=956470#p956470) and then never follows up with it again

-after rondo makes a post asking seanzie a basic question about his reads, seanzie votes for rondo and says it is the "wolfiest post he has seen all game" (viewtopic.php?p=956777#p956777)

-on viewtopic.php?p=956852#p956852, seanzie refers to rondo as an "outed wolf"

-on viewtopic.php?p=957026#p957026, rondo/seanzie have a softball interaction about rondo's read on alison

-on viewtopic.php?p=958170#p958170, seanzie discredits my reasoning for townreading rondo and implies that it is fallacious

-in response to aro posting a list of towns, seanzie says that he thinks rondo and porscha are the two most likely who could be wolves, but they could all "easily be okay" (viewtopic.php?p=958470#p958470)

-seanzie responds to a post from rondo and says that he does not think rondo is town, and that he thinks the mafia are boq/lily. if one of boq/lily are town, he says he thinks that the mafia is me. if there's still a mafia after that, he thinks it would be rondo (viewtopic.php?p=958475#p958475)

from this point forward, the two of them continue to have some lightly contentious interactions that are pretty silly/lighthearted in tone

how did rondo and seanzie interact?


-rondo says that if alison flips mafia, seanzie is "town or deep wolf", which is a non-sequitur and a meaningless thing to say (viewtopic.php?p=956365#p956365)

-rondo says he likes a post from seanzie (viewtopic.php?p=954734#p954734)

-rondo asks creature to talk more about why he scumreads seanzie - does not follow up with this question ever again (viewtopic.php?p=956453#p956453)

-viewtopic.php?p=956731#p956731 softball interaction between the two of them

-rondo says that seanzie and alison have W/W equity on viewtopic.php?p=956737#p956737

-more softball interaction on viewtopic.php?p=956756#p956756

-viewtopic.php?p=956828#p956828 rondo implies that he townreads seanzie out of nowhere, in spite of his last interaction with seanzie implying that he thought that seanzie/alison had W/W equity

-rondo reacts to seanzie's vote on him by calling him an "outed wolf" viewtopic.php?p=956843#p956843

-....in spite of this, he calls seanzie a townlean shortly after anyway, and says it's because "seanzie made a ridiculous push on me" (viewtopic.php?p=957030#p957030)

-rono quotes a post from seanzie, calls it scummy, and says he "could go seanzie" (viewtopic.php?p=958474#p958474)

-rondo/seanzie have some brief interaction in which rondo cocnludes that he will "keep tunneling" seanzie (viewtopic.php?p=958481#p958481)

-viewtopic.php?p=960291#p960291 rondo says that he "wouldn't be surprised if seanzie was a wolf"

SO, in short, (this is the important part of the post that you should read):

from seanzie's side of things, seanzie very briefly pushed rondo at a couple of points throughout d1 and d2 - referring to him as an "outed wolf" and saying that he made the scummiest post he has ever seen

from d3 onward, seanzie stops pushing on rondo entirely, signal boosts a readslist from aro that contains rondo as town, and says that he would resolve me/illy/boq before he would push on rondo. he has made no further attempts to develop his read on rondo, push on rondo, or signal boost any suspicion toward rondo whatsoever. instead, he has consistently pushed a POE of me/lily/boq while giving rondo the cold shoulder

from rondo's side of things, rondo has a few softball interactions with seanzie early in the game, says that alison/seanzie have W/W equity multiple times, calls seanzie an outed wolf, and then suddenly shifts to townreading seanzie for vague and unclear reasons. from here, rondo makes several posts shading seanzie by saying he "wouldn't be surprised if seanzie was a wolf", but he has continued to push a POE of me/lily/boq

I assume this is what Lily was referring to.

At least from my side, pretty much any accusation here is explained by the fact that I have just been busy.

I didn't push rondo at x time because I wasn't following the game closely at x time, and Rondo wasn't the person I thought most likely to be a wolf.

I mean, sure SPF winning the effort contest here, but effort \neq town.

erhh, that's not true though. The times you had made posts even if they are less than others, haven't focused on the sr you had on Rondo earlier and you seemed to not focus it on much. The main case isn't cause you are busy but because of your progressions.

Yesterday my play pretty much consisted of checking in occasionally, seeing that Boq was top wagon, and checking back out, because the situation was more-or-less how I wanted it. I don't remember a single thing from Rondo yesterday, I might not have read one of their posts. You can say it is a "lack of progression", but you're expecting someone who barely kept up to have the progression of someone reading carefully.

But then why did you push a different POE then if you had those thoughts on Rondo?

Like today you said I was mafia and then you looked at Nanook a little bit today.

Even before the Boq wagon you weren't on them as much.

[arogame123]

@staypositivefriend Are you on Seanzie/Rondo as the likeliest team rn?

yes but if you vote for me today then i think the team also has a high chance of being you/seanzie. gl gl!

very convincing :/

i mean, can you give me a a single reason why you would vote for me over seanzie today? do u have a single reason to call seanzie town right now or to think that im wolfier than him?

I already mentioned that I believe you have been townier today than Seanzie and Seanzie's progression that you pointed out was scummy.

ok so then why are you acting uncertain? what are you hesitant about rn?

More so how quickly the cw grew and I also saw Rondo initially hopped on as well but then moved back to you. So I was thinking if Seanzie is mafia, he was getting bussed with how quickly his wagon grew.

I always tend to get cold feet around that. But seeing as it is 3 v 3, that point is somewhat moot.

[arogame123]

arogame talk to me about where ur head is at right now. who do u want to kill between me and seanzie? do u still want me to die today? what are u thinking?

Yea, so this is my current head rn.

My towns are Nanook and Porscha, both split on both wagons lol.

Let me organize the rest of Lily/SPF/Rondo/Seanzie and the liklihood of teams within there.

So from most likely to least likely of the teams that remain in there:

SPF/Seanzie

Lily/Rondo

Lily/Seanzie

SPF/Rondo

SPF/Lily

Rondo/Seanzie

okay wait, how the fuck do you perceive me and seanzie as being the most probable team and rondo/seanzie as being the least probable team? i am actively trying to get seanzie murdered today and am actively thunderdoming him, and you think that we still have W/W equity, but you think that rondo/seanzie don't have W/W because they had an awkward interactio once? are you serious?

if you are wolf/wolf its the only option you have because of how Seanzie has been playing and you want to get the credit from a thunder dome when you were going to be one of the two people on the chopping block anyway. Its a good way to get town cred as a wolf. (That requires both Seanzie and SPF to be wolf for this to be true)

seanzie wasn't even close to on the chopping block before spf's case

it was me and spf

It's almost as if wolf spf was backed into a corner and had to make a lhf wagon happen.

Dude, can you talk with me please??

[Seanzie]

@staypositivefriend I assume that if you knew there was a difference check between them, you would kill Sean over rondo, yeah?

Basically I'm asking which you're more confident in being mafia if only one of them is

yeah, i'm more confident in seanzie being mafia than rondo since i think it's still theroetically possible for rondo to be an incorrect/misled villager and i think that seanzie has reacted and played this EOD significantly more wolfier than him

I came into the thread with 4 votes on me, no idea why, and no time to read back. Again, replace "wolf" with "busy" in every case SPF makes and it is the same. There is nothing "wolfy" about me here. Null, sure. But nothing wolfy.

Town case yourself.

What have you done this game that is towny?

All I have seen is "Caught up" dip

Have you done any hunting other than me?

Not towncasing myself.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Probably not back for eod, make sure no ties tyty

[arogame123]

Probably not back for eod, make sure no ties tyty

Yes, I will cast my vote before EoD.

[Seanzie]

@Seanzie I know ur on SPF rn, who do u think the other is? I saw u mention Nook earlier. What are ur current thoughts? Can you talk to me about ur POV?

I literally don't know. I thought it was Boq, and after Boq flipped town, I just kinda checked out, and have been checked out all day today. When I saw I was a wagon I tried to check back in, but I am not caught up and haven't actually processed anything from today or really reformed thoughts since Boq's flip.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Honestly killing Seanzie now is a good argument but its the same Argument that Nanook is making for SPF so either way we are looking at SPF > Seanzie or Seanzie > SPF so really the game is over already if both of them are town

I mean yea, that's kind of what I was thinking too and if both are mafia, it doesn't matter anyway. I just feel like the way SPF started today by discussing about LyLo voting and then re-evaluating has been townie and not "anti-spew."

Can people lmk what they think of my list please?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME Is there any chance your SPF [REDACTED] could be wrong?

Yes of course there's always a chance

Yes but any chance you can rescind the death tunnel or you are mostly certain? I am with you for my own reasons I am just checking your confidence

[Seanzie]

Man, I don't like that Seanzie just came here shading SPF instead of trying to talk to me when I have the deciding vote lol.

Also @Seanzie why did you say I was mafia earlier and then never elaborate on that? What were ur thoughts when you brought that up.

Dude, I'm just trying to catch up and am responding to posts that I have something to say something about.

I don't remember doing that and don't have time to go look it up, so I can't tell you.

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend Are you on Seanzie/Rondo as the likeliest team rn?

yes but if you vote for me today then i think the team also has a high chance of being you/seanzie. gl gl!

very convincing :/

i mean, can you give me a a single reason why you would vote for me over seanzie today? do u have a single reason to call seanzie town right now or to think that im wolfier than him?

I already mentioned that I believe you have been townier today than Seanzie and Seanzie's progression that you pointed out was scummy.

ok so then why are you acting uncertain? what are you hesitant about rn?

More so how quickly the cw grew and I also saw Rondo initially hopped on as well but then moved back to you. So I was thinking if Seanzie is mafia, he was getting bussed with how quickly his wagon grew.

I always tend to get cold feet around that. But seeing as it is 3 v 3, that point is somewhat moot.

Ok but if anyone here is bussing seanzie then you think it's most likely to be me, which means it's safe to vote him right?

[staypositivefriend]

#LetItRand

[RondoDimBuckle]

arogame talk to me about where ur head is at right now. who do u want to kill between me and seanzie? do u still want me to die today? what are u thinking?

Yea, so this is my current head rn.

My towns are Nanook and Porscha, both split on both wagons lol.

Let me organize the rest of Lily/SPF/Rondo/Seanzie and the liklihood of teams within there.

So from most likely to least likely of the teams that remain in there:

SPF/Seanzie

Lily/Rondo

Lily/Seanzie

SPF/Rondo

SPF/Lily

Rondo/Seanzie

okay wait, how the fuck do you perceive me and seanzie as being the most probable team and rondo/seanzie as being the least probable team? i am actively trying to get seanzie murdered today and am actively thunderdoming him, and you think that we still have W/W equity, but you think that rondo/seanzie don't have W/W because they had an awkward interactio once? are you serious?

if you are wolf/wolf its the only option you have because of how Seanzie has been playing and you want to get the credit from a thunder dome when you were going to be one of the two people on the chopping block anyway. Its a good way to get town cred as a wolf. (That requires both Seanzie and SPF to be wolf for this to be true)

seanzie wasn't even close to on the chopping block before spf's case

it was me and spf

It's almost as if wolf spf was backed into a corner and had to make a lhf wagon happen.

This is a fair point

[Porscha]

I suspect that Aero hasnt actually gone to lunch and is waiting for a post exactly like this one but @Porscha any chance I can convince you to come back to SPF? Not because I want to save Seanzie, but because I want SPF more right now. However if he does go over I am ok with it because of how he has treated my slot

The question I ask myself is if i put my trust in you, can you carry tomorrow when i get NK'd?

[arogame123]

@Seanzie I know ur on SPF rn, who do u think the other is? I saw u mention Nook earlier. What are ur current thoughts? Can you talk to me about ur POV?

I literally don't know. I thought it was Boq, and after Boq flipped town, I just kinda checked out, and have been checked out all day today. When I saw I was a wagon I tried to check back in, but I am not caught up and haven't actually processed anything from today or really reformed thoughts since Boq's flip.

Ok, so do you believe SPF is mafia because of the CW to Boq yesterday or OMGUS? Or both? I saw you mention earlier that "SPF fits being a wolf." Can you explain that please?

[RondoDimBuckle]

@staypositivefriend Are you on Seanzie/Rondo as the likeliest team rn?

yes but if you vote for me today then i think the team also has a high chance of being you/seanzie. gl gl!

very convincing :/

i mean, can you give me a a single reason why you would vote for me over seanzie today? do u have a single reason to call seanzie town right now or to think that im wolfier than him?

I already mentioned that I believe you have been townier today than Seanzie and Seanzie's progression that you pointed out was scummy.

ok so then why are you acting uncertain? what are you hesitant about rn?

More so how quickly the cw grew and I also saw Rondo initially hopped on as well but then moved back to you. So I was thinking if Seanzie is mafia, he was getting bussed with how quickly his wagon grew.

I always tend to get cold feet around that. But seeing as it is 3 v 3, that point is somewhat moot.

I made it 3v3 for exactly waganomics its good that I can be on my scum read though

[RondoDimBuckle]

@staypositivefriend I assume that if you knew there was a difference check between them, you would kill Sean over rondo, yeah?

Basically I'm asking which you're more confident in being mafia if only one of them is

yeah, i'm more confident in seanzie being mafia than rondo since i think it's still theroetically possible for rondo to be an incorrect/misled villager and i think that seanzie has reacted and played this EOD significantly more wolfier than him

I came into the thread with 4 votes on me, no idea why, and no time to read back. Again, replace "wolf" with "busy" in every case SPF makes and it is the same. There is nothing "wolfy" about me here. Null, sure. But nothing wolfy.

Town case yourself.

What have you done this game that is towny?

All I have seen is "Caught up" dip

Have you done any hunting other than me?

Not towncasing myself.

dislike this

[Seanzie]

how did seanzie and rondo interact?

-seanzie calls out rondo for not posting enough content in this post (viewtopic.php?p=956470#p956470) and then never follows up with it again

-after rondo makes a post asking seanzie a basic question about his reads, seanzie votes for rondo and says it is the "wolfiest post he has seen all game" (viewtopic.php?p=956777#p956777)

-on viewtopic.php?p=956852#p956852, seanzie refers to rondo as an "outed wolf"

-on viewtopic.php?p=957026#p957026, rondo/seanzie have a softball interaction about rondo's read on alison

-on viewtopic.php?p=958170#p958170, seanzie discredits my reasoning for townreading rondo and implies that it is fallacious

-in response to aro posting a list of towns, seanzie says that he thinks rondo and porscha are the two most likely who could be wolves, but they could all "easily be okay" (viewtopic.php?p=958470#p958470)

-seanzie responds to a post from rondo and says that he does not think rondo is town, and that he thinks the mafia are boq/lily. if one of boq/lily are town, he says he thinks that the mafia is me. if there's still a mafia after that, he thinks it would be rondo (viewtopic.php?p=958475#p958475)

from this point forward, the two of them continue to have some lightly contentious interactions that are pretty silly/lighthearted in tone

how did rondo and seanzie interact?


-rondo says that if alison flips mafia, seanzie is "town or deep wolf", which is a non-sequitur and a meaningless thing to say (viewtopic.php?p=956365#p956365)

-rondo says he likes a post from seanzie (viewtopic.php?p=954734#p954734)

-rondo asks creature to talk more about why he scumreads seanzie - does not follow up with this question ever again (viewtopic.php?p=956453#p956453)

-viewtopic.php?p=956731#p956731 softball interaction between the two of them

-rondo says that seanzie and alison have W/W equity on viewtopic.php?p=956737#p956737

-more softball interaction on viewtopic.php?p=956756#p956756

-viewtopic.php?p=956828#p956828 rondo implies that he townreads seanzie out of nowhere, in spite of his last interaction with seanzie implying that he thought that seanzie/alison had W/W equity

-rondo reacts to seanzie's vote on him by calling him an "outed wolf" viewtopic.php?p=956843#p956843

-....in spite of this, he calls seanzie a townlean shortly after anyway, and says it's because "seanzie made a ridiculous push on me" (viewtopic.php?p=957030#p957030)

-rono quotes a post from seanzie, calls it scummy, and says he "could go seanzie" (viewtopic.php?p=958474#p958474)

-rondo/seanzie have some brief interaction in which rondo cocnludes that he will "keep tunneling" seanzie (viewtopic.php?p=958481#p958481)

-viewtopic.php?p=960291#p960291 rondo says that he "wouldn't be surprised if seanzie was a wolf"

SO, in short, (this is the important part of the post that you should read):

from seanzie's side of things, seanzie very briefly pushed rondo at a couple of points throughout d1 and d2 - referring to him as an "outed wolf" and saying that he made the scummiest post he has ever seen

from d3 onward, seanzie stops pushing on rondo entirely, signal boosts a readslist from aro that contains rondo as town, and says that he would resolve me/illy/boq before he would push on rondo. he has made no further attempts to develop his read on rondo, push on rondo, or signal boost any suspicion toward rondo whatsoever. instead, he has consistently pushed a POE of me/lily/boq while giving rondo the cold shoulder

from rondo's side of things, rondo has a few softball interactions with seanzie early in the game, says that alison/seanzie have W/W equity multiple times, calls seanzie an outed wolf, and then suddenly shifts to townreading seanzie for vague and unclear reasons. from here, rondo makes several posts shading seanzie by saying he "wouldn't be surprised if seanzie was a wolf", but he has continued to push a POE of me/lily/boq

I assume this is what Lily was referring to.

At least from my side, pretty much any accusation here is explained by the fact that I have just been busy.

I didn't push rondo at x time because I wasn't following the game closely at x time, and Rondo wasn't the person I thought most likely to be a wolf.

I mean, sure SPF winning the effort contest here, but effort \neq town.

erhh, that's not true though. The times you had made posts even if they are less than others, haven't focused on the sr you had on Rondo earlier and you seemed to not focus it on much. The main case isn't cause you are busy but because of your progressions.

Yesterday my play pretty much consisted of checking in occasionally, seeing that Boq was top wagon, and checking back out, because the situation was more-or-less how I wanted it. I don't remember a single thing from Rondo yesterday, I might not have read one of their posts. You can say it is a "lack of progression", but you're expecting someone who barely kept up to have the progression of someone reading carefully.

But then why did you push a different POE then if you had those thoughts on Rondo?

Like today you said I was mafia and then you looked at Nanook a little bit today.

Even before the Boq wagon you weren't on them as much.

Because Nanook not voting me today was suspicious, and worth mentioning. People were asking me about scumreads, and I took a shower and it was on my mind, and I thoght of Nook. I don't remember pushing you, but considering that the only vote I've placed today was on SPF, that is kind of indicative of my main thought.

[arogame123]

@RondoDimBuckle why aren't you trying to convince me then to go onto SPF if you feel that way when I have deciding vote lol?

[staypositivefriend]

I suspect that Aero hasnt actually gone to lunch and is waiting for a post exactly like this one but @Porscha any chance I can convince you to come back to SPF? Not because I want to save Seanzie, but because I want SPF more right now. However if he does go over I am ok with it because of how he has treated my slot

The question I ask myself is if i put my trust in you, can you carry tomorrow when i get NK'd?

porscha pls dont

[Seanzie]

@staypositivefriend I assume that if you knew there was a difference check between them, you would kill Sean over rondo, yeah?

Basically I'm asking which you're more confident in being mafia if only one of them is

yeah, i'm more confident in seanzie being mafia than rondo since i think it's still theroetically possible for rondo to be an incorrect/misled villager and i think that seanzie has reacted and played this EOD significantly more wolfier than him

I came into the thread with 4 votes on me, no idea why, and no time to read back. Again, replace "wolf" with "busy" in every case SPF makes and it is the same. There is nothing "wolfy" about me here. Null, sure. But nothing wolfy.

Town case yourself.

What have you done this game that is towny?

All I have seen is "Caught up" dip

Have you done any hunting other than me?

Not towncasing myself.

dislike this

Don't ask me to do busywork minutes before EoD when I'm not caught up then.

[RondoDimBuckle]

#LetItRand

Outing, Wanting to let it tie is terrible since a tie is sleep.

[staypositivefriend]

#LetItRand

Outing, Wanting to let it tie is terrible since a tie is sleep.

i'm joking. i dont actually want it to rand

[RondoDimBuckle]

I suspect that Aero hasnt actually gone to lunch and is waiting for a post exactly like this one but @Porscha any chance I can convince you to come back to SPF? Not because I want to save Seanzie, but because I want SPF more right now. However if he does go over I am ok with it because of how he has treated my slot

The question I ask myself is if i put my trust in you, can you carry tomorrow when i get NK'd?

Probably not, today I have taken too much shade that I wasnt expecting so I am likely lylo target

[Seanzie]

yes but if you vote for me today then i think the team also has a high chance of being you/seanzie. gl gl!

very convincing :/

i mean, can you give me a a single reason why you would vote for me over seanzie today? do u have a single reason to call seanzie town right now or to think that im wolfier than him?

I already mentioned that I believe you have been townier today than Seanzie and Seanzie's progression that you pointed out was scummy.

ok so then why are you acting uncertain? what are you hesitant about rn?

More so how quickly the cw grew and I also saw Rondo initially hopped on as well but then moved back to you. So I was thinking if Seanzie is mafia, he was getting bussed with how quickly his wagon grew.

I always tend to get cold feet around that. But seeing as it is 3 v 3, that point is somewhat moot.

I made it 3v3 for exactly waganomics its good that I can be on my scum read though

After being called out on it

[staypositivefriend]

aro why are u taking so long to vote?

[arogame123]

#LetItRand

Outing, Wanting to let it tie is terrible since a tie is sleep.

Bruh.

I will cast my vote in about 4ish minutes.

Trying to get all possible questions asked before I finalize.

[arogame123]

aro why are u taking so long to vote?

Just answered

[staypositivefriend]

ugh youre stressing me out so bad lol