Dune [ENDGAME]

[MacDougall]

Soooo... where is everyone?

I'm at home, watching Monday Night Football.

Mathieu is such a badass.

[a2thezebra]

ayyyyyyyyyyy

[a2thezebra]

Stuck with Gom Jabbar I see. I'll take the bottom one.

[Luke11646]

Does anyone know what Gom Jabber is?

[FZ.]

Does anyone know what Gom Jabber is?

Not me, but you'll find out soon enough.

By the way, welcome! Banana too

[G-Man]

Btw, I never heard imprssions from you on how I handled Picture-Man in Syndicate Mafia. [/np]

I went back and looked at your handiwork. Not too bad. I'm probably a little too random to imitate with 100% accuracy but it was quite amusing. Once I read your post where you said you were mimicking three other players on top of your sock, your posts made much more sense.

Did your curse specifically require you to post like me? Kind of odd to have to mimic someone not in the game when you also had to post like two other players who were actually playing the game. I guess seeing me in action in previous games came in handy.

[Marmot]

Btw, I never heard imprssions from you on how I handled Picture-Man in Syndicate Mafia.

I went back and looked at your handiwork. Not too bad. I'm probably a little too random to imitate with 100% accuracy but it was quite amusing. Once I read your post where you said you were mimicking three other players on top of your sock, your posts made much more sense.

Did your curse specifically require you to post like me? Kind of odd to have to mimic someone not in the game when you also had to post like two other players who were actually playing the game. I guess seeing me in action in previous games came in handy.

I was the one who cursed him. I can't remember why I cursed him that way though.

[Ricochet]

Btw, I never heard imprssions from you on how I handled Picture-Man in Syndicate Mafia. [/np]

I went back and looked at your handiwork. Not too bad. I'm probably a little too random to imitate with 100% accuracy but it was quite amusing. Once I read your post where you said you were mimicking three other players on top of your sock, your posts made much more sense.

Did your curse specifically require you to post like me? Kind of odd to have to mimic someone not in the game when you also had to post like two other players who were actually playing the game. I guess seeing me in action in previous games came in handy.

"Not too bad". I'll take it. Re: the 100% accuracy thing, my goals in that game were never really to simply imitate, but also paraphrase, reinterpret, seem alike etc.

TH cursed me with this. The curse was to post my thoughts only in pictures, not to "roleplay G-Man". I only assumed I basically asked for it, after doing that Day 0 Bane impression of you (posting pics as the Joker, I mean), in a conversation with you (uhm the real you, aka you).

MM in addition also cursed me to write OT stuff in Wilgy style (me and "JJJ", who posted the usual Wilgy catchphrase and then didn't seem to give a shit no more). I also paraphrased that (the labcoat thing, the narrative style) and developed it into the story in which Roxy wants to kill me for stepping inside her Host Room unannounced, using coctail molotovs and mutant Beatles members.

[S~V~S]

Does anyone know what Gom Jabber is?

A Gom Jabbar is a testing mechanism. The tested has to endure a test of exquisite pain without movement or outward expression.. The Gom Jabbar is a needle with poison that the tester holds to the neck of the person being tested.

In this context it may be that the person who chooses it is the tester. But it could also mean that the person who gets it is the tested. I would lean towards the former, but there is no way of knowing at this point.

[G-Man]

Btw, I never heard imprssions from you on how I handled Picture-Man in Syndicate Mafia. [/np]

I went back and looked at your handiwork. Not too bad. I'm probably a little too random to imitate with 100% accuracy but it was quite amusing. Once I read your post where you said you were mimicking three other players on top of your sock, your posts made much more sense.

Did your curse specifically require you to post like me? Kind of odd to have to mimic someone not in the game when you also had to post like two other players who were actually playing the game. I guess seeing me in action in previous games came in handy.

"Not too bad". I'll take it. Re: the 100% accuracy thing, my goals in that game were never really to simply imitate, but also paraphrase, reinterpret, seem alike etc.

TH cursed me with this. The curse was to post my thoughts only in pictures, not to "roleplay G-Man". I only assumed I basically asked for it, after doing that Day 0 Bane impression of you (posting pics as the Joker, I mean), in a conversation with you (uhm the real you, aka you).

MM in addition also cursed me to write OT stuff in Wilgy style (me and "JJJ", who posted the usual Wilgy catchphrase and then didn't seem to give a shit no more). I also paraphrased that (the labcoat thing, the narrative style) and developed it into the story in which Roxy wants to kill me for stepping inside her Host Room unannounced, using coctail molotovs and mutant Beatles members.

I got you now. I'm glad I could help inspire such a bizarre curse and that my previous shenanigans helped pave the way for you. The Wilgy stuff really was funny; it brought his screenplay style of writing to life visually. I'm glad you dove into it 100% because some people would probably have just avoided posting that day if cursed the same way. I'd like to amend my "not too bad" to a "superb."

[Ricochet]

Does anyone know what Gom Jabber is?

A Gom Jabbar is a testing mechanism. The tested has to endure a test of exquisite pain without movement or outward expression.. The Gom Jabbar is a needle with poison that the tester holds to the neck of the person being tested.

In this context it may be that the person who chooses it is the tester. But it could also mean that the person who gets it is the tested. I would lean towards the former, but there is no way of knowing at this point.

I'm pretty crap at remembering much of anything from the Dune books (or from any books I read ), but that Gom Jabbar test on Paul at the beginning of Dune still happens to be stuck in my head ever since reading it the first time. When I was a wee lad.

[Black Rock]

Does anyone know what Gom Jabber is?

A Gom Jabbar is a testing mechanism. The tested has to endure a test of exquisite pain without movement or outward expression.. The Gom Jabbar is a needle with poison that the tester holds to the neck of the person being tested.

In this context it may be that the person who chooses it is the tester. But it could also mean that the person who gets it is the tested. I would lean towards the former, but there is no way of knowing at this point.

Could it then be that it is the poison needle and no one is tested? Like for game mechanics and such.

[Turnip Head]

Btw, I never heard imprssions from you on how I handled Picture-Man in Syndicate Mafia. [/np]

I went back and looked at your handiwork. Not too bad. I'm probably a little too random to imitate with 100% accuracy but it was quite amusing. Once I read your post where you said you were mimicking three other players on top of your sock, your posts made much more sense.

Did your curse specifically require you to post like me? Kind of odd to have to mimic someone not in the game when you also had to post like two other players who were actually playing the game. I guess seeing me in action in previous games came in handy.

"Not too bad". I'll take it. Re: the 100% accuracy thing, my goals in that game were never really to simply imitate, but also paraphrase, reinterpret, seem alike etc.

TH cursed me with this. The curse was to post my thoughts only in pictures, not to "roleplay G-Man". I only assumed I basically asked for it, after doing that Day 0 Bane impression of you (posting pics as the Joker, I mean), in a conversation with you (uhm the real you, aka you).

MM in addition also cursed me to write OT stuff in Wilgy style (me and "JJJ", who posted the usual Wilgy catchphrase and then didn't seem to give a shit no more). I also paraphrased that (the labcoat thing, the narrative style) and developed it into the story in which Roxy wants to kill me for stepping inside her Host Room unannounced, using coctail molotovs and mutant Beatles members.

You've got that backwards. I hit you with the WIlgy challenge, so it must have been MM with the G-Man curse.

Also @MM, did you target MM2 with the timmer curse in that game? I was cracking up when I saw that.

[Golden]

I assume all the people writing in blue are Fremen?

[Ricochet]

I assume all the people writing in blue are Fremen?

Fremen...

free men...

free...of Mafia...men...

Sounds about right.

---

I'll cut it with the spectator chat, once all of you engage fully in the game, so I'll take the opportunity to make a recommendation for any Dune enthusiasts here. There's a documentary called Jodorowski's Dune, about legendary (and batshit crazy, whilst at it) filmmaker Alejandro Jodorowski's failed attempt to make an adaptation of it in the 70s. The details, sketches are mouth-watering, the production ensemble (artists such as Giger, O'Bannon, Jean Giraud; music by Tangerine Dream, Magma, Oldfield) and the ensemble cast (Carradine, Mick Jagger, Orson Welles as Baron Vlad omfg, Salvador Dali) would have been insane. A very good aspect of it is that it's not all brag, it almost lets Jodorowsky tell the (hi)story the way he knows it and you can tell from it how both original and grandomania-stricken everything he had in mind was.

[nijuukyugou]

I'll have to try reading this book again, it seems. I tried quite a long time ago (sometime in middle school or high school), but couldn't get past the first couple of pages. I think I was a bit overwhelmed by the immediate immersion

[S~V~S]

I'll have to try reading this book again, it seems. I tried quite a long time ago (sometime in middle school or high school), but couldn't get past the first couple of pages. I think I was a bit overwhelmed by the immediate immersion

That was the first book I ever read like that; where a sci fi book is written as if the context is familiar to the audience. I loved that feeling of immersion, but it is not an easy book in general.

[S~V~S]

Just posted this in World reborn, it stands here too.

Just an FYI, for the duration of the World Series, I will be scarce during game times. As a lifelong Mets fan, this is a squeeeee moment for me.

Hopefully it is not rained out tonight

[Marmot]

Btw, I never heard imprssions from you on how I handled Picture-Man in Syndicate Mafia. [/np]

I went back and looked at your handiwork. Not too bad. I'm probably a little too random to imitate with 100% accuracy but it was quite amusing. Once I read your post where you said you were mimicking three other players on top of your sock, your posts made much more sense.

Did your curse specifically require you to post like me? Kind of odd to have to mimic someone not in the game when you also had to post like two other players who were actually playing the game. I guess seeing me in action in previous games came in handy.

"Not too bad". I'll take it. Re: the 100% accuracy thing, my goals in that game were never really to simply imitate, but also paraphrase, reinterpret, seem alike etc.

TH cursed me with this. The curse was to post my thoughts only in pictures, not to "roleplay G-Man". I only assumed I basically asked for it, after doing that Day 0 Bane impression of you (posting pics as the Joker, I mean), in a conversation with you (uhm the real you, aka you).

MM in addition also cursed me to write OT stuff in Wilgy style (me and "JJJ", who posted the usual Wilgy catchphrase and then didn't seem to give a shit no more). I also paraphrased that (the labcoat thing, the narrative style) and developed it into the story in which Roxy wants to kill me for stepping inside her Host Room unannounced, using coctail molotovs and mutant Beatles members.

You've got that backwards. I hit you with the WIlgy challenge, so it must have been MM with the G-Man curse.

Also @MM, did you target MM2 with the timmer curse in that game? I was cracking up when I saw that.

Yes on both curses!

I didn't know who to curse that day, so I recycled an old one lol.

[Epignosis]

I'll have to try reading this book again, it seems. I tried quite a long time ago (sometime in middle school or high school), but couldn't get past the first couple of pages. I think I was a bit overwhelmed by the immediate immersion

That was the first book I ever read like that; where a sci fi book is written as if the context is familiar to the audience. I loved that feeling of immersion, but it is not an easy book in general.

I delayed reading Dune for years because the long glossary at the end gave me in the impression that the author had created something that needed far too much explaining.

And, to be honest, he did. My biggest criticism of Herbert is that, even when he's trying to navigate around it, he's an explainer.

But certain literary sins can be forgiven when the storytelling is good.

I recommend Dune, but not for the reasons so many have recommended it (i.e., all the Messianic and metaphoric hooplah)- I liked it because it was a damn good story, one that took its time setting things up only to get rolling in a fast-paced way after the first hundred pages or so. Yes, the first third of the book is politics, but after that, damn.

[a2thezebra]

How do you feel about the sequels, Epi? (and anyone else that cares to answer)

[Epignosis]

Day 1

This is Arrakis. This is Dune. Home of the nomadic Fremen, this is where the spice, the fuel of the universe, is gathered.

All of you have taken an ornithopter from the destroyed guild warehouse to the new Arteides palace.

What, then, awaits you?

It is now Day 1. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

[Epignosis]

What will you take with you from the guild warehouse?

Poll ended at Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:30 pm

Spice Mélange
1
S~V~S (2)
5%

Spice Mélange
1
Metalmarsh89 (3)
5%

Spice Mélange
1
Golden (6)
5%

Spice Mélange
1
Turnip Head (5)
5%

A Literjon of Water
1
MacDougall (4)
5%

A Literjon of Water
1
Sorsha (11)
5%

A Literjon of Water
1
nijuukyugou (12)
5%

A Literjon of Water
1
Matt F (8)
5%

Gom Jabbar
1
Luke11646 (13)
5%

Gom Jabbar
1
Elohcin (18)
5%

Gom Jabbar
0
No votes

Gom Jabbar
1
a2thezebra (20)
5%

Poison Snooper
1
NANANANANANA_BANANA (15)
5%

Poison Snooper
1
TheFloyd73 (14)
5%

Windtrap
1
birdwithteeth11 (9)
5%

Windtrap
1
bea (16)
5%

Lasgun
1
Black Rock (10)
5%

Lasgun
1
sig (7)
5%

Nothing
1
FZ. (19)
5%

Nothing (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
Epignosis (1), MovingPictures07 (17), G-Man (21)
14%


Total votes : 21


Draconus takes a Gom Jabbar by default.

[a2thezebra]

Oh snap

[S~V~S]

So none of us got to pick an ornithopter. Hrm, that could have come in handy.

[a2thezebra]

I'd like to start with an imaginary vote to get the ball rolling. No strong pings yet from anyone (obviously), but Matt F's sense of humor in Day 0, while funny, rubbed me the wrong way regarding his alignment. The way I see it, it's a bit more likely that a baddie would make as many jokes as he did regarding his possible alignment and role than a civvie would.

As tricky as your question I would say.

Hang on MattF is playing.

Placeholder vote for MattF.

You said in btsc you wouldn't pull this shit.

I know, Matt F, fuck how do I change?

You dun goofed

That's two baddies spotted on Day 1.

I meant Day 0.

That's three baddies spotted on Day 0.

Don't worry, if you're in danger of getting lynched, I'll pull a lynch switch for ya.

I've never played a closed set up before. We don't get to see win conditions either?

Pretty sure you win if you don't vote me during any day phases.

No single one of these posts would rub me the wrong way by themselves, but throughout Day 0 it feels a bit forced for a civvie to have all three of them, and some of his other posts contributed to deez bad vibes as well. So for now, baby blue imaginary vote for Matt F. I'll be using this font color for other imaginary votes throughout the game too. Some will be more serious than others, of course. If there is a 1 to 10 scale for the chance of an imaginary vote ending up being my final vote, this one would barely be a 2.

[Marmot]

Zebra, are you a member of mafia?

[Matt]

Zebra - I did come on a little strong Day 0. It's been gettin' pretty intense in TH so I thought I'd let loose in her for a bit, being day 0 and all. I know this didn't require a defense really, especially you giving it "barely a 2", but wanted to explain.

I do, however, plan to grab a hold of myself this game, and instead of spitballin' in nearly every post like I usually do, maybe just type it in the notepad, and only post a suspish when I feel it's solid.

[Matt]

...so I thought I'd let loose in her for a bit...

Let loose in HERE*

[Marmot]

Zebra - I did come on a little strong Day 0. It's been gettin' pretty intense in TH so I thought I'd let loose in her for a bit, being day 0 and all. I know this didn't require a defense really, especially you giving it "barely a 2", but wanted to explain.

I do, however, plan to grab a hold of myself this game, and instead of spitballin' in nearly every post like I usually do, maybe just type it in the notepad, and only post a suspish when I feel it's solid.

Can I grab you in this game?

[MacDougall]

MattF

Explain to us Matt why you should not be lynched on day 1 for being you.

[Marmot]

MacDougall, I think we should lynch Turnip Head today. Will you vote for him with me?

[MacDougall]

Haha shit votes aren't changeable in this one.

Oh well MattF it is.

I have it on good authority that he is scum.

linki: I would do anything you asked me to Metalmarsh except I already voted and can't change it. What's your case though? I actually got pinged by turnip head's NFL post somehow. But that's probably because I am a genius level scum hunter.

[Marmot]

No reason at all. I just knew that votes were not changeable.

[Matt]

MattF

Explain to us Matt why you should not be lynched on day 1 for being you.

I don't really have a good answer for that one. But I assure you I am a civilian!

[MacDougall]

MattF

Explain to us Matt why you should not be lynched on day 1 for being you.

I don't really have a good answer for that one. But I assure you I am a civilian!

A civilian hey? In this game? Interesting.

Vote for this guy.

[sig]

Kinda early to vote Mac isn't it?

What is an ornithopter?

[MacDougall]

Kinda early to vote Mac isn't it?

What is an ornithopter?

It is my modus operandi as a mafia player on this website to tunnel MattF in every game until one of us are dead. You are officially forewarned of my intention in every game we both play in.

[Matt]

[MacDougall]

MattF is the perfect day 1 lynch in every game he plays. As a townie he distracts from genuine scum hunting with tunneling, a lack of focus and volumes upon volumes of posts trying to get people to ignore their genuine scum hunting efforts and follow his uninspired scumdar ... and of course there is as good a chance that he's scum as anybody else. He's a policy lynch for me in every game he plays. I make no apologies for this.

[Matt]

For real, this is starting to make me feel uncomfortable.

But I like uncomfortable.

[MacDougall]

It appears you are beginning to feel what it's like to play with you.

[Matt]

It appears you are beginning to feel what it's like to play with you.

Nah I don't know what you're doing. I may go a little off the wall with suspicions sometimes, but you're playing on a whole new level.

[Golden]

MacDougall has claimed a policy lynch of tunnelling on someone who he considers is unhelpful to scum-hunting effort because he tunnels.

[Golden]

Hey, Mac, I've actually experienced a game where I went very deep, as a civilian, with MattF on my back the entire game.

You have only experienced a brief time in a game, when you were actually bad, when MattF tunnelled you to the advantage of the town for a very short period of the time.

So, I'm not sure why you would feel the need to be aggrieved? MattF, I have only ever seen tunnel because he has actual reasons he thinks you are bad. You just seem to be doing something personal.

Do you actually intend to follow it through, or are you just making a point?

[Luke11646]

This is getting intense

[MacDougall]

MacDougall has claimed a policy lynch of tunnelling on someone who he considers is unhelpful to scum-hunting effort because he tunnels.

Are you confused or are you deliberately mislabeling the play? Tunneling is not the same as calling for a policy lynch on someone.

Hey, Mac, I've actually experienced a game where I went very deep, as a civilian, with MattF on my back the entire game.

You have only experienced a brief time in a game, when you were actually bad, when MattF tunnelled you to the advantage of the town for a very short period of the time.

So, I'm not sure why you would feel the need to be aggrieved? MattF, I have only ever seen tunnel because he has actual reasons he thinks you are bad. You just seem to be doing something personal.

Do you actually intend to follow it through, or are you just making a point?

Orange - Good, so you will understand how challenging it would be to operate as a functional town player when he does that?

Green - Do you believe that what Matt accomplished by getting me lynched is something that he should claim as a win? If no, then why are you doing it for him? If yes, then wouldn't you similarly say that if I provoke him based on what you perceive as nonsense and he spills out scum tells then there is justification for what I have done?

You should go back and read how that played out. He did not make a logical case on me. He assumed I was the SK because I made a lynch poster in photoshop and had in his mind that night actions rationalised that that made me the serial killer, when a simple reading of the actual role he was referencing shows that it's not possible. My reaction to that was not the reason I was lynched exclusively either. My lynch was a result of analysis of my play that came before that. Many of the players in the game read my reaction to it as town. Some didn't. The actual case that got me lynched was analysis of where I placed my votes before that.

Blue - I find his play style disruptive to town efforts. At this point of the game policy lynches are possible. Either he flips anti-town or we remove someone who I feel is disruptive to genuine scum hunting efforts. This isn't personal at all. This is business. Matt seems like an affable guy outside the confines of forums mafia and I harbour no ill will to him.

That being said, I do not give a damn that it looks like I am upset about me getting lynched in the other game. To claim that of me is being petulant. I would not do the same to those who were actually genuinely responsible for my lynch in that game. Getting lynched as scum does not bother me at all. His dealings with me are only a small part of what I observed Matt do in the other game. His behavior is pattern and it's troubling.

MattF has displayed in the one game I played a propensity to disrupt legitimate scum hunting activities with extremely thorough miscalculation based cases on players who turned out to be townies. He repeats himself ad nauseum and does not listen to reason. He has an inability to doubt himself once he makes a synapse connection. This last point is the kicker.

Red - I will be following it through.

My point is made. There is no point further harping on about it. I believe I make a valid point but you might feel differently. If this comes across as a little bit mean then so be it. In the Game of Forums Mafia you win or you die.

[Black Rock]

MacDougall has claimed a policy lynch of tunnelling on someone who he considers is unhelpful to scum-hunting effort because he tunnels.

Are you confused or are you deliberately mislabeling the play? Tunneling is not the same as calling for a policy lynch on someone.

Hey, Mac, I've actually experienced a game where I went very deep, as a civilian, with MattF on my back the entire game.

You have only experienced a brief time in a game, when you were actually bad, when MattF tunnelled you to the advantage of the town for a very short period of the time.

So, I'm not sure why you would feel the need to be aggrieved? MattF, I have only ever seen tunnel because he has actual reasons he thinks you are bad. You just seem to be doing something personal.

Do you actually intend to follow it through, or are you just making a point?

Orange - Good, so you will understand how challenging it would be to operate as a functional town player when he does that?

Green - Do you believe that what Matt accomplished by getting me lynched is something that he should claim as a win? If no, then why are you doing it for him? If yes, then wouldn't you similarly say that if I provoke him based on what you perceive as nonsense and he spills out scum tells then there is justification for what I have done?

You should go back and read how that played out. He did not make a logical case on me. He assumed I was the SK because I made a lynch poster in photoshop and had in his mind that night actions rationalised that that made me the serial killer, when a simple reading of the actual role he was referencing shows that it's not possible. My reaction to that was not the reason I was lynched exclusively either. My lynch was a result of analysis of my play that came before that. Many of the players in the game read my reaction to it as town. Some didn't. The actual case that got me lynched was analysis of where I placed my votes before that.

Blue - I find his play style disruptive to town efforts. At this point of the game policy lynches are possible. Either he flips anti-town or we remove someone who I feel is disruptive to genuine scum hunting efforts. This isn't personal at all. This is business. Matt seems like an affable guy outside the confines of forums mafia and I harbour no ill will to him.

That being said, I do not give a damn that it looks like I am upset about me getting lynched in the other game. To claim that of me is being petulant. I would not do the same to those who were actually genuinely responsible for my lynch in that game. Getting lynched as scum does not bother me at all. His dealings with me are only a small part of what I observed Matt do in the other game. His behavior is pattern and it's troubling.

MattF has displayed in the one game I played a propensity to disrupt legitimate scum hunting activities with extremely thorough miscalculation based cases on players who turned out to be townies. He repeats himself ad nauseum and does not listen to reason. He has an inability to doubt himself once he makes a synapse connection. This last point is the kicker.

Red - I will be following it through.

My point is made. There is no point further harping on about it. I believe I make a valid point but you might feel differently. If this comes across as a little bit mean then so be it. In the Game of Forums Mafia you win or you die.

You don't think this style of game play would be disruptive?

[MacDougall]

I do not believe policy lynches can occur after day 1 so if this fails to occur I won't push for a policy lynch on him again.

And no, not really. This discussion should get people motivated to talk. It should influence a lot of play. It will help incentivise conversation on day 1 that could lead to genuine cases. Better that than we start by just asking about the weather. Let the games begin.

[Black Rock]

This is the first I have heard of policy lynches and I don't think it's in anyone's best interest.