Welcome, TinyBubbles. And welcome back, Scotty, I don't think I've said it yet.
I want to study and jog during the next two-three hours, so posting a first half of updated reads, resuming afterwards.
Bass - Bye Bass. His form was clearly dipping to absenteeism since D1 and LC's death has him in sight for suspicion (or meant to paint him as such), but I think I'll wrap up his game read with more pluses than minuses, so slight civ read. Looking forward to see how TinyBubbles evolves
-----
Cookie has had a very bad D3 endgame, so it's only natural to suspect her after that chain of events: she said she's working on the suspects list, she nominated DDL (based on something from his arguing with Golden on D2 and about his stance on late votes, but Cookie's suspicion on it reads to me a bit like waffle, frankly) and espers (for his D1 vote, not his posts) and exonerated Eloh; she asks why DDL reads DH as bad, but then, roughly 10 minutes later, decides to vote DH because of DDL - quite the adjustment for a player constantly having a hard time grasping everything that's happening; she doesn't undertand what was bad about her vote and her "hunches" (whatever that means); she evades a bit the question of why didn't she post her thoughts before voting, before saying she's bad at hunting and more used to vote without accompanying information or reasoning.
From what I've written before, that exchange with Sloonei is still the only thing making me question whether she would be on the mafia team and get open assistance/vouching in the thread, in such a style. It smells disaster, the way Sloonei vouched for her shy gaming style. So, to be honest, I'm still pondering if she made one hell of a blunder or she's playing her confused card to full effect, but I am certainly not glad how her vote contributed to the whole endgame blow up.
-----
Also natural is that
DDL doesn't look as hot to me after D3's vote - although, at a lynch tally of
bloody two votes, it's hard to call culprits and Cookie's vote still looks far worse. He's 0-2 in hunting, complete with full reasoning and heavy debates with the hunted ones, which he acknowledges. Might also have a bad N4 ahead of him, if Rorschach is still alive by then and decided to track him (
[jokey] funny thing, Rorschach also respected Nite Owl II, so he might really not be pleased [/jokey]). From his debate with DH and MP, it is a bit intriguing the ISO angle he took at one point, but moreover because it polarized quite a bit of the endgame discussion; I'm not entirely sure if he forced it (the way MP suggested) or intentionally fed it to the thread, but it's a peculiar angle nonetheless; on the other hand, his posts didn't look too bad to me once I got his main point that he suspected DH for other things, that he disliked some of DH's points on him and that DH making ISOs wasn't the charge, it was just something that didn't change his [DDL's] mindset a whole lot.
However, I have one theory in mind and it has to do with DH's ISO on him. Now, since DH flipped Nite Owl, I've stated in the thread and still am keeping in mind that DH could have used up one or two abilities - protections notwithstanding - depending whether he created the D2 poll or not: so that's a lie detection and/or an alignment check. Remember DH's verdict on DDL? "My money has DDL as Moloch." This is really sticking out to me, now that I've gone back to read. As an ISO conclusion, it feels a bit detached or jumping a few steps, compared to the rest he wrote/commented on DDL. One good reason why that would be? He tried to plant the info. It's the only pin DH made on anyone. I've asked him why does he think DDL looks Moloch to him, exactly because it didn't seem to result from his read. DH never answered. I don't remember DDL disputing this statement either, despite, at the same time, disliking heavily and openly the things DH said about him. Maybe an attempt to sweep this under the rug? IDK, but it's on my mind.
---
Once again, you all will have to tell me why I should trust
Eloh in this game, because I don't. Her D3 endgame was, alongside Cookie's, all over the place, for reasons of tiredness, lack of focus, giddiness etc. Yet she still played a part in the hustle and bustle. Yes, her D1-2 votes don't look as bad as others, although they're still debatable if backed up by good reasoning or timing. I just can't call her trustworthy during such times, when I'm trying to keep my head in the game. Even strictly factual, much of her D3 endgame makes little sense:
-- fears G-Man and LC might be Mafia (G-Man count: 1)
-- doesn't see case on Cookie
-- agrees with DDL that DH isn't genuine
-- suddenly agrees with case on Cookie as well
--
What does this post mean?
-- feels DH made good rebuttals
-- would vote espers from MP's lists, without feeling strongly about her
-- would vote G-Man or any quiet players (G-Man count: 2)
--
her last-second, "water gun" voting choice would be G-Man (G-Man count: 3)
-- votes MP
wat
My attempted version from all this would be that, considering how the voting went along, she could have done the following:
-- vote espers ("would vote espers from MP's lists") to tie at least or save DH ("feels DH made good rebuttals")
-- vote G-Man to tie him with DH and espers, at least, if she really feels that strongly about him - she said she'd vote him
three times
-- vote Cookie once Cookie made her blunder vote and MP sanctioned her - although I'm not sure if there was still time, it was really on the last minute stretch - she agreed with the case on Cookie, didn't she?
-- vote a quiet player, since she stressed any of them makes her feel uneasy and her idea of mafia is that it's a quiet one
yet she did none of this. She voted the player she agreed with, the most active player in the thread and spread a vote absolutely nowhere.
Night 3 she think LoRab could be bad, Cookie could be bad, G-Man could still be bad. Interesting wording, too, either of them for her could be "the last two baddies". If Eloh's civ, doesn't she consider Moloch also a baddie? Could it be a slip, if she is Moloch?
I'm also wondering if she's not doing some distancing from LoRab. She could have easily voted G-Man together with her and push him into the tie or further, yet she didn't. She said nothing about her all game long until now.
---
Not much new on
espers. He wondered why G-Man voted to try to save DH and I don't understand what's odd about it for him. His ISO attempts have been the least involved so far, he stopped after the first three players and has yet to pick it up.
---
I still don't have a strong read on
G-Man, but it's fairly neutral and far from the same suspicions I have on others. Also, I'm thinking again of DH possibly using his lie detector whilst alive. He specifically didn't see the fuss about the whole LD debate, so it wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination that he might have checked precisely what the fuss was about G-Man's statements and they might have come clean. He gave G-Man the most neutral-slightly positive review, without making a great effort to explain why that is.
Fiddler on the Roof
on G Man. Leaning towards a vote in that direction.
She could be honest here, but what a let-down.
]