MAD MAX: GAME OVER

#1301

Sloonei wrote:Are you caught up enough to offer any reads, Glorf?

Funny you should ask, my friend - I was just ISOing you

. I seem to recall reading a number of suspicions levelled at you so I thought you might be a good place to start.

Back in Ro3K, I remember when you replaced in, I got a pretty strong Town read on you then on the basis of your (initial) posts but as the game went on, it seemed to me that you became less involved and I grew somewhat less convinced of your Town alignment but my intuition proved accurate. Comparing your performance to this game, you seem consistently involved at a level to dispel any concerns in that regard. You questioned Mac's alignment (legitimately in my opinion) and I assume that is where some of the subsequent accusations against you have started.

I liked the fact that you resisted the Scotty push Day 1 and you seemed consistent in your accusations against Elohcin (although I confess your basis for those accusations - her interactions with Neil - seems a little thin to me...). Day 2 you raised concerns about INH's MP eulogy. I don't know if you're onto something here or not - I'll look at INH in greater depth later).

I do like your non-acceptance of the case against Ricochet and am concerned at the heat you received from DrWilgy as a consequence. You expressed concerns about MP and seemed to refocus on Eloh. This is probably the one post of yours that concerns me most:

Sloonei wrote:I still can't tell if Mac is being antagonistic because he's Mac or because he's scum. I laughed at more of his posts than anyone else's, so I'm giving him a town read on that alone.

Everything else aside, I think this is a terrible reason upon which to base a judgement of anyone's innocence.

And back to Elohcin...

From my perspective after having considered your posts and behaviour, I'd be satisfied to place you in my 'Town pile' for the time being. I sense a genuineness in your comments, arguments and conclusions (not saying that I agree with them at all) that gives me some comfort about you in this game.

#1302

I appreciate the read, Glorf. I also look forward to your read of INH, if you can get around to it. I am stuck on that case and could use some fresh perspectives on him.

#1303

But also is there an actual case against me? I don't think I'm anyone's top suspect and I'm not near the point of frustration, but so far I've not actually seen anyone who suspects me posts anything that I can substantially respond to. Just Mac saying "Sloonei's bad" and things like that. Please, if you have real concerns about me, let me know. I'm my favorite topic of conversation.

#1304

Sloonei wrote:I'm still most confident about Elohcin, but I also do not like the way LoRab immediately tried to spin SVS's death into something involving Eloh. It seemed like an unnatural response to me. I'd probably put her back near the top of my suspects list again.

I see where LoRab was coming from and I don't suspect her for it. LoRab's argument seemed to be based on the idea that someone was being framed, though I agree that she might be jumping the gun on that aspect. Even so, since Epignosis' death reflected on Eloh the most in that aspect, I can understand why LoRab would be guided down that road first.

#1305

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I'm still most confident about Elohcin, but I also do not like the way LoRab immediately tried to spin SVS's death into something involving Eloh. It seemed like an unnatural response to me. I'd probably put her back near the top of my suspects list again.
I see where LoRab was coming from and I don't suspect her for it. LoRab's argument seemed to be based on the idea that someone was being framed, though I agree that she might be jumping the gun on that aspect. Even so, since Epignosis' death reflected on Eloh the most in that aspect, I can understand why LoRab would be guided down that road first.

I suppose I should loosen up on this LoRab theory since everyone else seems to be telling me it's not as much of a stretch as I think it is. It's just that my mind did not go anywhere near "they're framing Elohcin" when I saw SVS was killed, and it was bizarre to see somebody else's mind go there immediately. But that could be my own fault.

#1306

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I'm still most confident about Elohcin, but I also do not like the way LoRab immediately tried to spin SVS's death into something involving Eloh. It seemed like an unnatural response to me. I'd probably put her back near the top of my suspects list again.
I see where LoRab was coming from and I don't suspect her for it. LoRab's argument seemed to be based on the idea that someone was being framed, though I agree that she might be jumping the gun on that aspect. Even so, since Epignosis' death reflected on Eloh the most in that aspect, I can understand why LoRab would be guided down that road first.
I suppose I should loosen up on this LoRab theory since everyone else seems to be telling me it's not as much of a stretch as I think it is. It's just that my mind did not go anywhere near "they're framing Elohcin" when I saw SVS was killed, and it was bizarre to see somebody else's mind go there immediately. But that could be my own fault.

If your mind isn't going in the same direction as everyone else then by no means should you just retract your suspicion. What else about LoRab do you dislike? Is there anything in particular you do like?

#1307

Sloonei wrote: I'm my favorite topic of conversation.

I'd noticed, my friend...

At this point, I think I'd be more concerned about your accusers...

#1308

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I'm still most confident about Elohcin, but I also do not like the way LoRab immediately tried to spin SVS's death into something involving Eloh. It seemed like an unnatural response to me. I'd probably put her back near the top of my suspects list again.
I see where LoRab was coming from and I don't suspect her for it. LoRab's argument seemed to be based on the idea that someone was being framed, though I agree that she might be jumping the gun on that aspect. Even so, since Epignosis' death reflected on Eloh the most in that aspect, I can understand why LoRab would be guided down that road first.
I suppose I should loosen up on this LoRab theory since everyone else seems to be telling me it's not as much of a stretch as I think it is. It's just that my mind did not go anywhere near "they're framing Elohcin" when I saw SVS was killed, and it was bizarre to see somebody else's mind go there immediately. But that could be my own fault.
If your mind isn't going in the same direction as everyone else then by no means should you just retract your suspicion. What else about LoRab do you dislike? Is there anything in particular you do like?

This was my main reason for suspecting her. I'm still iffy on her for sure. I might ISO her, but I'm also gonna have one eye on a baseball game for the rest of the night so no promises.

#1309

indiglo wrote:Well, I've read the past 5-ish pages or so... and that's not much. My apologies, the internet in this hotel is pretty good, my brain is just too tired from prepping and traveling to focus much on mafia atm. I'm more at a veg out and fall asleep place. I do plan on getting more active just as soon as I can. I will not miss votes, but I feel bad about not being informed enough to use my vote to its full potential.

On the plus side, I really enjoyed all the episodes of the Mystery Show podcast that I got listened. That type of show is right up my alley, and it really helps the road time pass by quicker.

You've summed up my feelings post-catch-up and post-writing-like-three-reports-within-one-week

We'll slowly but surely get into the swing of things.

#1310

DAY 2

#1311

I checked my flash drives and I failed to take a screenshot of the Day 2 poll. Sorry to let you guys down there. I posted a pic of my spreadsheet. If you can figure out from the thread who voted when, good on ya. I will do better next time.

#1312

Had a quick look at motel room. I very much like this post.

Spoiler: show

This is the case MP made out in his favour:

Spoiler: show

As far as I know, this is the first town-read made for motel room. I can see an inference in his response that he's not particularly fond of the case made for him, and reinforced later when he claims that the case was suspicious. I like that he's doubting and scrutinising those early reads, especially because I thought the case was good for Day 1. Ironically it kind of supports what MP said about his baddie hunting being organic.

side note: did I play a trees game? i don't think i did.

#1313

Sorry for the lesser activity so far today. Luckily (for you, not for me) they gave me shit hours this week so I'll be able to contribute tonight onward.

Who should I vote for? I want people to argue with each other and perhaps me as well about who I should vote for. That would be great.

#1314

I need to look over the sprityo case again, I don't even remember why he's suspicious. If I find something compelling then he'll get my vote, if not then I have no idea who to vote for because I have way more civ reads than usual.

#1315

I'm self-voting for now in case I somehow miss the deadline.

#1316

I had just put my vote on Elohcin, but in the time between submitting the vote and typing up a post to announce it, I changed my mind and moved it to LoRab. Here's why:

LoRab wrote:Svs strikes me as an off target for a kill. She didn't have a lot of posts (for her). And didn't seem to have any extraordinary opinions that would warrant a kill. She did have some points against mac (particularly that either rico or him was likely mafia) and points against elo. The question is if there is framing going on or if one of them is bad. This definitely makes elo look more suspish in my book. The question I have is if she's being framed; but would mafia use their first two kills in order to frame someone? I'm undecided on that question.

This post set off some red flags right away when LoRab made it, but I've had trouble figuring out why. SVS being killed purely to frame Elohcin is a somewhat plausible theory, sure, but I hardly think it's the most apparent motive for knocking off SVS. So I found it odd that anyone would immediately draw such a conclusion.

This was LoRab's first post after the night kill. It came not too long after G-man's post and it was the first theory anyone offered about the kill. It struck me as a very oddball initial reaction to the nightkill. It's something could plausibly been arrived at, but as a the first read anyone came up with or shared in the thread, it seemed like an unnatural conclusion to me. It ignored too many other possibilities for my liking and focused on one element, and it struck me as a deliberate effort to push Elohcin's name into the forefront without directly applying pressure. Notice the way LoRab waffles at the end, not offering any definitive thoughts on which side of the fence she's on; "I'm undecided on that question." This made it look like a very opportunistic push against a player who was already on the chopping block entering the day. Eloh's lynch was not a sure thing, but, like I said earlier, she's the closest we've got to a consensus, so it would make sense for the mafia to want to push against her to start the day off. This post suddenly looks way too opportunistic to be genuine to be.

Then I was curious, so I looked back through LoRab's post to trace her own suspicion against Elohcin and it amounts to this post:

LoRab wrote:I have a weak ping from Dom for accusing MP of buttering up (I think Sloonei mentioned this before...someone did...I noticed it, as wel) because of his place on a rainbow list. It struck me as paranoid, and I think Dom's game is more paranoid as baddie than it is as civ.

Elo isn't sitting right. I don't have any good reason for this one, really just gut and tone.

Those are the 2 that keep popping up. There are also a bunch of players that I don't know well enough to know how to read their posts, so there are a lot of question marks on my imaginary spreadsheet.

Prior to today, LoRab had expressed nothing but the vaguest possible "scum read" on Elohcin. This looks like an easy hop-on to an easy bandwagon with no real commitment to me. LoRab had mentioned Eloh in a few posts prior to this, but never in such a way that she's offering a read. So she was essentially silent on Eloh entering today, but then her immediate response to a seemingly unconnected nightkill was to come in waving Elohcin's name around like some great big shady figure that needed to be dealt with. I've not been crazy of her responses to my follow up questions today either but it's late and I don't need to get into that.

So my vote's on LoRab.

#1317

In case it's not clear, if I am right about LoRab then I think that makes Elohcin look a lot better. But I can't be certain I'm right about LoRab yet.

#1318

With the reasoning behind your suspicion of LoRab in mind, what is your current read of Elohcin?

linki - well shit

#1319

I still have no idea why SVS was killed, but I'm leaning with the group that thinks it was most likely because she's just a solid town player period.

#1320

a2thezebra wrote:I still have no idea why SVS was killed, but I'm leaning with the group that thinks it was most likely because she's just a solid town player period.

Exactly. She was just a player in the game that everyone was reading as town and who has a reputation as a strong player. She hadn't rocked the boat too much in this game, so killing her is just a safe and sensible move. There's no reason for Elohcin's name to be dragged into it.

#1321

The most disturbing thing about making that case was that I only had to go back 2 pages to the beginning of the day. This place better come alive tomorrow. I'll actually be here for the deadline this time.

#1322

My vote is still pretty open. Come talk, make words, do typing.

#1323

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My vote is still pretty open. Come talk, make words, do typing.

Who is bad?

#1324

a2thezebra wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My vote is still pretty open. Come talk, make words, do typing.
Who is bad?

Most likely baddies I think:

Elohcin
Glorfindel
sprityo
indiglo

Top alternatives:

LoRab
MacDougall

#1325

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In an attempt to better organize my thoughts about the game, I have split the 15 living players into three groups purely by post count. I will then make inferences about those groups.

Top five post count, not including me:

MovingPictures07
a2thezebra
Sloonei
MacDougall

If one of these people is bad, I think the most likely is Mac. I would rank the likelihood of the possible number of scum in this tier as follows: 1 = 0 > 2 > 3 > 4

Middle five post count:

insertnamehere
motel room
LoRab
Elohcin
sprityo

This looks like a potential hot bed to me. I've already stated some suspicions of Elohcin and sprityo. I have made a single positive assessment of motel room, but it's not the strongest thing and I wouldn't exonerate him right now. LoRab is a valid enough suspect even if my gut doesn't quite agree right now. INH is about the same thing -- he can be validly cased despite my gut uncertainty.

Same ranking: 2 > 3 > 1 > 4 > 0

Bottom five post count:

sanmateo / Quin
Dom
DrWilgy
Glorfindel
birdwithteeth11 / indiglo

I have liked Quin a lot since he came aboard. There's not much more he could do to show a pro-town mindset having replaced into a relatively large thread. Dom got off to a great start but has since tapered off. I think he looks like a townie at face value. DrWilgy is a prototype of himself, which is pretty null. Glorfindel has had understandably been unable to keep up with the game consistently; I do think though that he's more suspicious than most others. I'm not sure he's made the most of the opportunities he has had. indiglo hasn't been able to get involved yet, so that remains null.

Same ranking: 2 > 1 > 3 > 4 > 0

Mind explaining this ranking system you've got going on, 3J? How did you come up with the rankings in this post? Why do you think a certain number of baddies are more likely in each grouping?

#1326

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My vote is still pretty open. Come talk, make words, do typing.
Who is bad?
Most likely baddies I think:

Elohcin
Glorfindel
sprityo
indiglo

Top alternatives:

LoRab
MacDougall

Could you refresh me on why indiglo, and Mac?

#1327

I read Eloh, Glorfindel, and LoRab all as civs.

#1328

Quin wrote:Mind explaining this ranking system you've got going on, 3J? How did you come up with the rankings in this post? Why do you think a certain number of baddies are more likely in each grouping?

To call it a "system" is probably a misnomer. I split the players into those three groups to get a more isolated look at them in the context of their activity level. Then, based on my own gut reads and my own theories about where in post ranks baddies most often exist, I made educated guesses about how the baddies might be distributed.

Basically, I think there is about an equal likelihood of one or zero baddies among the top four posters other than myself. Of them, I think Mac is the one I could most easily see as a bad guy.

The middle group looks to me like it could be a focal point for their team based both on who's in it and also on where baddies tend to lie in these distributions historically. The bottom group has similar potential, though I think slightly less. With four baddies I think the most likely distributions for top/middle/bottom are 1/2/1 or 0/2/2. It's my own way of organizing my perspective of the game without substantive objective evidence available.

#1329

a2thezebra wrote:Could you refresh me on why indiglo, and Mac?

indiglo is the result of process of elimination given the number of town leans I have. By default given the lack of content from that slot, I have no reason to see a townie and that alone is a problem in this climate. I see more potential for manipulation in Mac's content than in most others, particularly his handling of Ricochet (which unlike you and INH hinged upon his literal or feigned failure to read Rico's posts thoroughly). If time permits I can try to do a full ISO to see how I feel beyond that kind of surface-level read.

a2thezebra wrote:I read Eloh, Glorfindel, and LoRab all as civs.

I can understand that. I've experienced some cognitive dissonance about all the suspects I've named. Here's the biggest problem though:

Nearly one third of the current players are bad. Someone who looks town probably isn't. That means that for players who I think have isolated moments of sincerity, it's not enough. I need a body of work. With that said I could perhaps also call MP a suspect, given that I think he has a bunch of little pings and one significantly town-indicative post. I still need him to talk about that ISO I put up.

#1330

I probably need to give motel room a more thorough look too.

#1331

I also keep forgetting about Wilgy.

Y'all need to get in here and blow me away with your blinding town radiance.

#1332

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:Mind explaining this ranking system you've got going on, 3J? How did you come up with the rankings in this post? Why do you think a certain number of baddies are more likely in each grouping?
To call it a "system" is probably a misnomer. I split the players into those three groups to get a more isolated look at them in the context of their activity level. Then, based on my own gut reads and my own theories about where in post ranks baddies most often exist, I made educated guesses about how the baddies might be distributed.

Basically, I think there is about an equal likelihood of one or zero baddies among the top four posters other than myself. Of them, I think Mac is the one I could most easily see as a bad guy.

The middle group looks to me like it could be a focal point for their team based both on who's in it and also on where baddies tend to lie in these distributions historically. The bottom group has similar potential, though I think slightly less. With four baddies I think the most likely distributions for top/middle/bottom are 1/2/1 or 0/2/2. It's my own way of organizing my perspective of the game without substantive objective evidence available.

The 'system' I was referring to was about the numbering, not the split. I got that you'd split the players up based on post count

What do you think about the case I made for motel room?

linki: Talk to me about things, 3J. I'm running on empty already

#1333

Quin wrote:What do you think about the case I made for motel room?

I'm actually doing a quick ISO on him right now. I'll finish before I take a look to prevent bias, and then I'll let you know what I think.

Quin wrote:linki: Talk to me about things, 3J. I'm running on empty already

Of the people who have contributed the most in the thread, who do you think is most likely to be a bad guy?

#1334

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:What do you think about the case I made for motel room?
I'm actually doing a quick ISO on him right now. I'll finish before I take a look to prevent bias, and then I'll let you know what I think.

Quin wrote:linki: Talk to me about things, 3J. I'm running on empty already
Of the people who have contributed the most in the thread, who do you think is most likely to be a bad guy?

If by 'most' you mean out of the five you separated in your own analysis, Sloonei and Mac are the only people who I've yet to find a reason to civ read yet. But I think that's for lack of effort to fully read their posts. I'd rather spend some time on that before I give you a name.

If I totally ignore your question and give you a name in the middle, Eloh is my biggest scum-read. I think her decision to cast suspicion on you for your roleplay was convenient, and I think she was backpedaling when she claimed it was just to get a reaction from you, because I don't see the train of thought or interactions in her posts that suggest that. Rather, I see her defending herself against you.

#1335

I am drunk so come at me.

#1336

motel room ISO:

The first thing I notice is that his first six posts are all pretty empty. They're all Day 1, where jokes happen but are still ideally less prevalent than on Day 0.

Spoiler: show

motel room wrote:
motel room wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If MacDougall can't kill you, then he can't kill you. And if he can kill you, all he has to do is...refrain from doing so. If you were good, you've opened yourself up to being killed to set up MacDougall.

Not helpful.
This.

Rico has set up a very risky system here. He's intentionally put a massive target on his back. If neither Rico or Mac are bad, all the mafia has to do is kill Rico, and they get a free lynch of Mac. This same logic gives Mac a smokescreen to hide behind if he is, in fact, bad. In both scenarios, Rico = Dead N1.

It seems like such a categorically poor move for Rico that it essentially leaves me with two options. A. He has some sort of secret info or an ulterior motive for voting Mac Day 1. B. He knows for sure that the target on his back won't hurt him because he's scum.
Uhhh

Free lunch!
This was from yesterday, on my phone on the train. Epi had the most concise cut-down of the rico\mac bickering and this bloke appeared to piggyback off it, but with an odd confident "two option" stance which I was not a fan of.

motel room wrote:I put a vote down for insertname cos is there 2 mins to go?

Otherwise this scotty thing looks interesting

motel room wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
motel room wrote:
motel room wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If MacDougall can't kill you, then he can't kill you. And if he can kill you, all he has to do is...refrain from doing so. If you were good, you've opened yourself up to being killed to set up MacDougall.

Not helpful.
This.

Rico has set up a very risky system here. He's intentionally put a massive target on his back. If neither Rico or Mac are bad, all the mafia has to do is kill Rico, and they get a free lynch of Mac. This same logic gives Mac a smokescreen to hide behind if he is, in fact, bad. In both scenarios, Rico = Dead N1.

It seems like such a categorically poor move for Rico that it essentially leaves me with two options. A. He has some sort of secret info or an ulterior motive for voting Mac Day 1. B. He knows for sure that the target on his back won't hurt him because he's scum.
Uhhh

Free lunch!
This was from yesterday, on my phone on the train. Epi had the most concise cut-down of the rico\mac bickering and this bloke appeared to piggyback off it, but with an odd confident "two option" stance which I was not a fan of.
Care to elaborate on why you aren't a fan?
Just like, the vibe. Mabo.

At the time I thought motel room's suspicion of INH's "two option stance" looked authentic. That's the kind of specific detail motel room is most skilled at pinpointing and focusing on. However, I'd say he could have done a better job of explaining why he felt the way he did. His "looks interesting" assessment of the case against Scotty was vague too.

Spoiler: show

Rather cookie cutter for a motel room post. He is often one to judge others by their apparent hunger or lack there-of. I don't disagree with his read on Sloonei. A more thorough examination would have been more ideal though, to describe what exactly he saw in Sloonei's posts that indicated hunger.

Spoiler: show

I don't know what this post is meant to convey. Is it an "Okay. I acknowledge and accept your statement"? Is it "Uh... okay?", which would have a very different connotation.

Come talk motel room.

I think motel room's commentary about INH here looks authentic. Probably his best post so far.

Spoiler: show

Assertion about Mac that doesn't tell me much about how motel room feels about Mac himself. I'm actually not sure why he stepped in and said this at all.

Spoiler: show

A post of stances. That's cool. However, highlighted is the dreaded People I'd Lynch List. Casting a broad net like that onto a group of potential targets is something that I'd theorize is more conducive to the baddie mindset than more focused accusation and lynch pursuit would be.

Spoiler: show

I requested some thoughts about Elohcin, and his response was to prompt me to talk about someone other than Elohcin.

Spoiler: show

This maneuver is fun. On one hand I can appreciate motel room wielding his vote as a tool to judge tally movement. However, this happened at a time during the day in which final votes were starting to drop, and it might have actually helped to ensure Ricochet was lynched. It put Rico in a momentary lead, which lead to Elohcin's self-preservation vote and perhaps more. If motel room genuinely didn't want to lynch Ricochet, this maneuver had the exact opposite effect.

Spoiler: show

I'm not sure "indecisive" is an explanation that meshes with the previous post in this analysis. He made it sound like he voted Rico just to see what other people would do in response, which would indicate he had no personal investment in a Rico lynch. He actually said as much: "I don't want to lynch Rico lets see what happened."

So if his move from Rico to Elohcin was about "indecision", that'd imply he did have some desire to lynch Rico and then changed his mind. That's not the same thing. Curious.

~~~

As seems to be the trend in this damned game, I'd call this an inconclusive review. There are little moments I like and little moments I don't like. motel room, please address this stuff.

#1337

Jimmy you keep making really dickless inference to me being bad but ain't said shit yet. You just tryna discredit me because I am fucking legit and you can't touch me and want to be me.

#1338

Quin wrote:If I totally ignore your question and give you a name in the middle, Eloh is my biggest scum-read. I think her decision to cast suspicion on you for your roleplay was convenient, and I think she was backpedaling when she claimed it was just to get a reaction from you, because I don't see the train of thought or interactions in her posts that suggest that. Rather, I see her defending herself against you.

That's actually something I haven't looked at yet (her claim that she wanted a reaction from me); I'll do so now.

#1339

MacDougall wrote:Jimmy you keep making really dickless inference to me being bad but ain't said shit yet. You just tryna discredit me because I am fucking legit and you can't touch me and want to be me.

When you talk like this you're usually bad, so cool.

#1340

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:What do you think about the case I made for motel room?
I'm actually doing a quick ISO on him right now. I'll finish before I take a look to prevent bias, and then I'll let you know what I think.

Quin wrote:linki: Talk to me about things, 3J. I'm running on empty already
Of the people who have contributed the most in the thread, who do you think is most likely to be a bad guy?
If by 'most' you mean out of the five you separated in your own analysis, Sloonei and Mac are the only people who I've yet to find a reason to civ read yet. But I think that's for lack of effort to fully read their posts. I'd rather spend some time on that before I give you a name.

If I totally ignore your question and give you a name in the middle, Eloh is my biggest scum-read. I think her decision to cast suspicion on you for your roleplay was convenient, and I think she was backpedaling when she claimed it was just to get a reaction from you, because I don't see the train of thought or interactions in her posts that suggest that. Rather, I see her defending herself against you.

Nobody wants to civ read me because I am dangerous and you know this. You can never be sure that I ain't carrying and I respect that.

#1341

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Jimmy you keep making really dickless inference to me being bad but ain't said shit yet. You just tryna discredit me because I am fucking legit and you can't touch me and want to be me.
When you talk like this you're usually bad, so cool.

I would hope you are ready to back that shit up.

#1342

MacDougall wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Jimmy you keep making really dickless inference to me being bad but ain't said shit yet. You just tryna discredit me because I am fucking legit and you can't touch me and want to be me.
When you talk like this you're usually bad, so cool.
I would hope you are ready to back that shit up.

I might bother. Dunno. I don't think this thread gains anything from an exchange of one-liners, so I'm not going to make this a Thing.

Talk about this assertion:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I see more potential for manipulation in Mac's content than in most others, particularly his handling of Ricochet (which unlike you and INH hinged upon his literal or feigned failure to read Rico's posts thoroughly).

#1343

I ain't about to let you all take me down since I am a straight up gangsta but if you want to come at me you best be packing that real heavy shit.

#1344

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Jimmy you keep making really dickless inference to me being bad but ain't said shit yet. You just tryna discredit me because I am fucking legit and you can't touch me and want to be me.
When you talk like this you're usually bad, so cool.
I would hope you are ready to back that shit up.
I might bother. Dunno. I don't think this thread gains anything from an exchange of one-liners, so I'm not going to make this a Thing.

Talk about this assertion:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I see more potential for manipulation in Mac's content than in most others, particularly his handling of Ricochet (which unlike you and INH hinged upon his literal or feigned failure to read Rico's posts thoroughly).

This is you trying to control a dialogue with me with minimal effort.

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MacDougall wrote:This is you trying to control a dialogue with me with minimal effort.

This is you ignoring my accusation.

When you elect to play with minimal effort, I am not going to waste my time trying to get more from you. If you want to have a substantive dialogue, then give me substance.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:This is you trying to control a dialogue with me with minimal effort.
This is you ignoring my accusation.

When you elect to play with minimal effort, I am not going to waste my time trying to get more from you. If you want to have a substantive dialogue, then give me substance.

I am ignoring your accusation because it is you lazily quoting a post you made that didn't directly request a reply nor encourage one. Nor is it anything other than a description of your interpretation. My reply to it is ... no. That last sentence of yours back at you stud.

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Unless you are to elaborate you are saying my reaction to ricochet is manipulative? I have very little context further than that to help you see that I am not Mafia.

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The "get a reaction" thing Quin mentioned about Elohcin:

Elohcin wrote:I initially accused JJJ of seeming like he was trying too hard with his roleplaying. But that was to see his reaction. I was trying to feel him out as I was not sure about him. But...I later said that even though his role playing confuses me and that I don't like it, I still think he is civ. So...not sure what you are talking about when you bring up the word suspicion.

In fairness to Elohcin here, I don't believe she ever actually voted for me. She threatened to. So on that front perhaps there is some room for reaction-baiting.

I do think this explanation is at least a little dubious though. First, to bait me for reactions is inherently less necessary than it is for other people since I am always a sure bet to make a crap load of posts. People's ability to get a read on me is never hampered by a lack of content. So that she'd need to prod me to get something is less necessary than it would be for most others.

The highlighted portion bugs me most. I do think there was a clear implication in her Day 1 posts about me that some suspicion existed. To assert I was "trying too hard" or "hiding behind my roleplay" is distinctly accusatory -- suspicion is implied. This part looks a lot like a backtrack.

Elohcin is already a major suspect of mine. This doesn't change that for the better.

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MacDougall wrote:There was one post Scotty made that someone pointed to that sounded really civvie that I was going to point out but I didn't notice the day had already expired when I saw it so that's a shame. Not that my 1 vote would have counted for anything. I wouldn't have voted to make it a tie or no lynch in the end so I couldn't affect the result.

Dom - Re your question ... To my nose, Sloonei has seemed half in half out. Some of his posts have been assertive and some of them have seemed non committal. I'll point some out when I am not at work.

Wilgy/Spirityo in the interest of fairness I wouldn't want to combine our powers as we would be far too powerful an organisation to overcome. It's just not cricket.

This post doesn't jive with me, Mac. This sounds like an attempt to wash your hands of a bad lynch.

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MacDougall wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:In case anyone needs me to explain what I mean by that, Jimmy does a thing where he takes what amounts to reasonable points and waves his magical wand over them and makes them seem ridiculous so nobody else gives them the time of day.
"Reasonable points"

MP and I have both vocally opposed the INH lynch, but apparently we've subtly caused it. You're not reading anything.
By virtue of being vociferous in your defence of Ricochet (both of you), you have invariably caused people to vote for the person who was on the nearest amount of votes. Your defence of Ricochet vs. your defence of INH have been nothing alike. I don't believe you really are opposed to INH being lynched, you are definitively opposed to Ricochet being lynched. I feel like you are comfortable with INH being lynched. You and MP have arrived at the same conclusions but MP finessed himself there subtly, while you have just been storming.

In light of ricochet being flipped as non Mafia my read here takes on new light. Perhaps JJJ and INH are Mafia teammates.

Who squashed LoRab?