Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]
Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:34 am
Hey this looks familiar
Hey this looks familiar
Why don't you look into this mirror and tell me what you see?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:33 amJack look in to my eyes...Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:23 amI hate to break it to you, Tony.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:22 amIn person this is such a winning strategy you can just look at someone for three seconds and knowJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:17 am I appreciate @MacDougall giving Epi and Juliets all the sarcasm a “Are you town?” “Yes, I am” exchange merits.
Are you town?
I’m just saying one time someone said I was w w with someone when I was scum and I did and said the exact same thingTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:34 amHey this looks familiar
Mfw none of my townreads’ reads really speak to me.iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:33 pm oh yeah heres the bonding exercise / thought experiment i wanted to start yesterday
@everyone
1. who is your top townread and why
2. of your top townreads reads, which do you agree with most? why? do you trust that read more than you trust your own townread of them?
3. @ your top townread with the reads of theirs that you agree with and disagree with to facilitate working among mutual townreads
im feeling dead inside so im not starting off
i wont be offended if nobody does this, i just thought it was a kinda cool idea
Yes.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:33 amJack look in to my eyes...Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:23 amI hate to break it to you, Tony.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:22 amIn person this is such a winning strategy you can just look at someone for three seconds and knowJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:17 am I appreciate @MacDougall giving Epi and Juliets all the sarcasm a “Are you town?” “Yes, I am” exchange merits.
Are you town?
Which person is wolfTony in the story you’re telling?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:34 amI’m just saying one time someone said I was w w with someone when I was scum and I did and said the exact same thingTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:34 amHey this looks familiar
Eva, it’s the game recently when me and Epi were scum and JJJ and like 3 other people decided I was scum basically 4 posts inJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:44 amWhich person is wolfTony in the story you’re telling?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:34 amI’m just saying one time someone said I was w w with someone when I was scum and I did and said the exact same thingTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:34 amHey this looks familiar
For me, one of the goals is to simply see how they respond to the burden of having votes. Sometimes wolves start acting differently under the pressure and uncertainty of blank votes.Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:51 amI do not understand how mere pressure is a strategy if it has no goal. If there is no goal, how can you have a strategy?Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:28 amYeah, all fair.Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:23 amI mention not being caught up because I want to be transparent about the state of my mind, and I see the need for transparency since the original votes on Epignosis have gone elsewhere, and I have not. I had hoped to avoid ill-considered cases on me. Judge for yourself how successful that was.Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:49 amLIke, why say the last part? Wolves so often feel the need to tack on additional information about hwo they are going to vote.![]()
You have no case and no investigation, merely pressure. Why do you do it?
Unfortunately I can't find any more votes in that "expand view" feature, although I know iaafr was just sheeping 112, and Nanook seems to have a blank vote. I'll go back to catching up until someone actually quotes or mentions me, ok?
This wasn't directed at me but I think votes for merely pressure are acceptable strategies.
A blank vote says, "I scumread this person, but I do not want to investigate them, engage them, or convince anyone else, and while I feel this scum read is important, I will not share my thought process". It is like playing the game and not playing it, simultaneously.
iaarf - probably the solviest and most helpful player in the game right now. I love his insights. He better be town.Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:57 am @Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.
It depends. Lately it's been taking until day 2+ to start reading them properly. They both have strong wolf games and I'm cautious about giving town reads until they are fully deserved. 112 hasn't seen me wolf in quite a while but she ALWAYS calls me a villager by D1/D2, whether she's villa or wolf. MR is similar.juliets wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:49 amYour first paragraph speaks to me. I don't think I've ever seen a scum style that matches your current style either. And I feel like you have been transparent, your thoughts are shaky (and ever changing) and I haven't seen anything I consider tmi. I'm ready to lean town on you, but I would appreciate anyone who has played with you a lot to comment on whether this paragraph rings true to them.iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:43 pm im just always baffled when i get tunneled like this because i hardly see any scum with a playstyle that matches my towngame and i feel like ive been mostly transparent with most of my thoughts and my confidence levels are shaky like theyre supposed to be and i clearly dont have tmi and wtf honestly
also no, i dont have a strong argument for why benson is town other than them feeling generally solvy and liking the posts i said i liked (their first readspost, their post saying they dont actually have a confident scumread on 112, their post saying they wouldnt be surprised if 112 came in townreading them tomorrow, etc)
I also liked the same Benson posts that you mention here. Maybe their reads of each other when they are both town take a while to evolve in a game, I wouldn't know since I've never played with them. @Benson and [mention]112[mention] is this true or when you read each other town does it usually happen day 1 and on in games? Maybe one of them doesn't have to be scum which is what I was thinking when I signed off last night.
Cause I want to know what is going on. I hate being behind, can't do anything.
This is good for now and I'm probably switching my vote soon.Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:53 am From my interaction with Master Radishes, where Benson butted in, I have Benson as town if Radishes is town, and Radishes leans town on me. @Master Radishes was not perfectly certain of Benson's alignment, but much in the past 12 hours has revolved around Benson. Nutella observed Benson and 112 scumreading each other, and somehow concluded that it probably made one of 112, Benson, and Radishes not town. If that is true, 112 is scum. Iaafr townread 112 and Benson, and scumread nutella, but iaafr's reads are very flexible, and iaafr also has very high confidence in Benson, and I am suspicious of that. I can see iaafr as scum in this constellation. Epignosis had a slow start, and asserted more authority later on, townreading nutella and attacking iaafr's scumread of her. Epignosis plays intransparently, and I can see that playstyle as a cover for powerwolfing; excepting six players from lynch today without accompanying town reads strikes me as a bold but efficient possibility to protect his wolf buddies.
Getting the puzzle of these six players to line up correctly establishes a much needed town core. My current layout is Benson, Master Radishes, and nutella as town, and 112, iaafr, and Epignosis as uncertain scum. I need to research 112, a lot depends on them.
I also have Juliets, Hyena, and Creature as provisional town, but don't see them as connected as the others. I would love to see @Hyena and @Creature evaluate each other directly.
Oh, that. Just hope you know I've been playing around with all that. Might have stretched it out a bit too far.
What does that mean, and why do you say it? Do I even want to know?
I was reading your posts as I caught up and some come across vapid and like you're posting for the sake of increasing your post count. But I do struggle to find wolfy intentions behind the post I've quoted. Almost seems too careless to be from a wolf, unless it's deliberate.Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:14 amThis feels pure although I haven't really read it.vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:39 pmmy wolf range, huh...Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:36 pmTo be fair, I've not seen your scum game. But I read you in G7 (you died as I subbed in) and watched you in in WC1, and you play this game similarly to how I do. Everything I see from you so far has been so pure, IMO.vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:34 pm...am i? am i just this easy of a read?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:33 pmVanity is the towniest town in this game, and I hope we're all in agreement on this.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:32 pmI'm calling Vanity lock town for this post and, like, 5-10 of the posts he made before this one.vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:15 pm i'm probably going to get questions about my nanook read so i'll just explain that now
nanook instantly pushing lld in this post reads to me as "i've been burned by this person bad and i want to lynch them out of paranoia" to me. it's like a classic v thought process in my opinion. now, he has a good wolf game and i wouldn't take this to the grave, but i think it was enough to give him a townread, especially since no one else v read him.
i feel like nothing i've done is outside of my wolfrange but... k.
How would you describe your wolf range, then?
while i haven't wolfed on forum before, and this game is another non-turbo village game from me, because randing wolf is impossible for some reason, but i'm the powerwolf type. a lot of people that know me from dm wouldn't give v reads on me this early, because they know i can give compelling thoughts on the game as a wolf.
i'd post around the same as either alignment. if i'm in the thread, i'm posting. that's all there really is to it. if you think i'm pure, cool. i don't think you're a wolf at the moment, so i'm comfortable with this.
I'm trying to figure out what Hyena's bobble on Epi means now that Epi's posting and seems towny. If epi town, hyena bobble is... what? NAI?Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:32 am Here’s a roughly ordered list from where I’m at now. Will try and write out comments for each person if I can later on but that might need to wait a bit due to school. So here's who I got before I needed to post.
Town Lean
Epignosis
Scum
Hyena
Where in the ISO was this? Can check it out during a lull in class.Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:36 amI'm trying to figure out what Hyena's bobble on Epi means now that Epi's posting and seems towny. If epi town, hyena bobble is... what? NAI?Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:32 am Here’s a roughly ordered list from where I’m at now. Will try and write out comments for each person if I can later on but that might need to wait a bit due to school. So here's who I got before I needed to post.
Town Lean
Epignosis
Scum
Hyena![]()
True.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:16 am Okay people shouldn’t be voting for the elephant anymore.
Good choice much betterBenson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:40 amTrue.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:16 am Okay people shouldn’t be voting for the elephant anymore.
[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime ] aubergine
Thank you. I did not see your opinion on 112, should I have looked more?Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:09 amiaarf - probably the solviest and most helpful player in the game right now. I love his insights. He better be town.Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:57 am @Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.
Master Radishes - I recall him having some decently genuine reads (mostly regarding me). But he stays put in the neutral category until further notice.
That read from Vanity was debunked, fwiw.There’s a passiveness and wishy washiness that I don’t really associate with town Nook but Vanity raised a really good point regarding him acting like a town who has been burned before which I can see. Two conflicting views null this out essentially.
You won't trick me with the reverse psychologyTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:43 amGood choice much betterBenson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:40 amTrue.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:16 am Okay people shouldn’t be voting for the elephant anymore.
[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime ] aubergine
wheee
Sell me on TSP?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:48 am 700 posts behind wowee.
Of the players being voted, I could vote Hyena or Nova.
[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine![]()
I don't remember playing with you. Probably not unless I somehow was on you during Large 202, but I barely remember anything about that game.Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:51 am @creature did we play a game on mafiascum where you caught me (Lexa) as scum immediately on subbing in? Or was that someone else
Lol I was super groggy when I responded and thought you were asking for MR not 112.Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:45 amThank you. I did not see your opinion on 112, should I have looked more?Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:09 amiaarf - probably the solviest and most helpful player in the game right now. I love his insights. He better be town.Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:57 am @Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.
Master Radishes - I recall him having some decently genuine reads (mostly regarding me). But he stays put in the neutral category until further notice.
Roleplaying what role? Me?Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:39 am Eh, fuck it. Both Hyena and Dragomir are fairly low, so I'm willing to take out the creep first. Since while I'm pretty damn sure he's one of the people who have been roleplaying their roles like Mac, he's still gross about it.
[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine
*range would be more appropriate to say than meta in the last partBenson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:49 amLol I was super groggy when I responded and thought you were asking for MR not 112.Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:45 amThank you. I did not see your opinion on 112, should I have looked more?Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:09 amiaarf - probably the solviest and most helpful player in the game right now. I love his insights. He better be town.Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:57 am @Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.
Master Radishes - I recall him having some decently genuine reads (mostly regarding me). But he stays put in the neutral category until further notice.
Here you go:
112 remains a wolf lean for me until she actually picks up here game. Not a single post so far is outside her wolf meta.
I discovered it in next post down: "They both have strong wolf games and I'm cautious about giving town reads until they are fully deserved."Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:45 amThank you. I did not see your opinion on 112, should I have looked more?Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:09 amiaarf - probably the solviest and most helpful player in the game right now. I love his insights. He better be town.Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:57 am @Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.
Master Radishes - I recall him having some decently genuine reads (mostly regarding me). But he stays put in the neutral category until further notice.
I’ve done the same thing recently when I was scum but not the player I was accused of being scum with. Don’t remember the exact game though.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:53 amEva, it’s the game recently when me and Epi were scum and JJJ and like 3 other people decided I was scum basically 4 posts inJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:44 amWhich person is wolfTony in the story you’re telling?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:34 amI’m just saying one time someone said I was w w with someone when I was scum and I did and said the exact same thing
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:52 amI’ve done the same thing recently when I was scum but not the player I was accused of being scum with. Don’t remember the exact game though.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:53 amEva, it’s the game recently when me and Epi were scum and JJJ and like 3 other people decided I was scum basically 4 posts inJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:44 amShe strikes me as particularly bloodthirsty with that vote.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:34 amI’m just saying one time someone said I was w w with someone when I was scum and I did and said the exact same thingTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:34 amHey this looks familiar![]()
Which person is wolfTony in the story you’re telling?
She strikes me as particularly bloodthirsty with that vote.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:52 amI’ve done the same thing recently when I was scum but not the player I was accused of being scum with. Don’t remember the exact game though.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:53 amEva, it’s the game recently when me and Epi were scum and JJJ and like 3 other people decided I was scum basically 4 posts inJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:44 amWhich person is wolfTony in the story you’re telling?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:34 amI’m just saying one time someone said I was w w with someone when I was scum and I did and said the exact same thingTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:34 amHey this looks familiar