Battlestar Galactica Mafia - GAME OVER

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2081

Oh, I misremembered, only OA talked about zebra, zebra never responded. I was thinking of Zebra's odd vote for BR -- I don't think she ever acknowledged that BR had in fact posted before then, and she never conceded to others' (including myself) claims that BR tends to be quiet at first.

Looking at her ISO, I do in fact get an odd vibe from zebra, right from the start with her gung-ho "hey matt let's chat" and general eager, almost flippant tone. She participates in the "could some cylons be good"/win condition debate and I actually agree with everything she said on that topic, but otherwise I don't feel great about her. She also said "don't lynch me because I'm town" verbatim two separate times, unprompted, here and here. Does she usually do that? It feels off to me.

linki @ OA, sorry I misremembered the thing about zebra. and fwiw I really think you're thinking of a different person but only zebra can confirm. Also, why do you think Lorab and I have btsc just because we posted near each other? We happened to be online around the same time?

#2082

Actually I'll just come out and ask it again since you ignored me last time. Spill it, Matt. What's your weird ass obsession with me remembering Zebra? What does it have to do with this game? And why are you obsessed with it? Spill it. If it's important enough for you to mention this many times, go ahead and say why it's so important. Not even joking when I say you're weirdo get me out.

Linki: because right now it's more feelings than in thread evidence and if I say who they will change their behaviors and I'll lose the chance at more evidence.

#2083

Matt wrote:Okay, so I've been askin' about OA, this is what I've been trippin' on, but it's probably nothing haha...

ObscureAllure wrote:I'd like to hear more from Black Rock, SVS, Juliet, Zebra, LoRab, and nutella. Bak in the day I knew you guys to be very vocal. I feel haven't seen much from you guys.
So check it.

OA said in her very first post that she has not played in three years. Okay.

When I first "met" Zebra six months ago or so, she was playing under the handle "Rbz-something", not Zebra. In that same game, others from this site knew Zebra as a different handle, which was "Keterman"...again not Zebra.

So I'm wondering how OA knows Zebra as Zebra back in the day, if she was going by "Rbz" and/or "Keterman".

Deeerp

Linki - And there's OA now. Btw speaking of linki, I started rollin' with Epi's answer earlier hahaha.

I knew a2z as CinemaZebra on ProgArchives a long time ago.

#2084

Good lort almighty, I honestly don't get what that could possibly have to do with this game but I'll bite. I just went and looked at the members list at RM and you're right, I was thinking Zelda. My bad. http://forum.revolutionmafia.com/member ... ofile&u=42 Again, still don't possibly understand what bearing that could possibly have on this game in any way shape or form but if that's your game, roll with it

Also - Nutella
I posted before, felt like when I mentioned you guys, one said to the other to go post and y'all came to post together. Doesn't mean for sure BTSC, doesn't mean for sure mafia. Just something I noticed.

#2085

ObscureAllure wrote:Good lort almighty, I honestly don't get what that could possibly have to do with this game but I'll bite. I just went and looked at the members list at RM and you're right, I was thinking Zelda. My bad. http://forum.revolutionmafia.com/member ... ofile&u=42 Again, still don't possibly understand what bearing that could possibly have on this game in any way shape or form but if that's your game, roll with it

Also - Nutella
I posted before, felt like when I mentioned you guys, one said to the other to go post and y'all came to post together. Doesn't mean for sure BTSC, doesn't mean for sure mafia. Just something I noticed.

You're spinning your wheels over Zebra / Zelda, but you are withholding who you think is bad.

I want to know who it is, why, and why you've been reluctant to share. Go.

#2086

K epi. Hrm.

#2087

Fine - I can't link to all the posts because I'm not searching on my phone. So bear with me.

I think long con is bad. I've seen play from him this game that I would never have expected from the LC I used to know. He has seemed panicked multiple times and his whole jumping in thing felt like a save, with his "oh look how much of a funny asshole I am" as a save. Again, I'm not searching on my
Phone for posts to support this right now. He also hinted to wanting to try and lynch Epi again when I believe Epi to be town and we knew he'd just be resurrected anyway. And I know I'm an idiot for mentioning it because if there's one thing that man can do, it's turn a whole mob against someone who suspects him in two seconds flat with no evidence.

I think there's a possibility that Lorab and Nutella are bad, but again not a lot of evidence. Just felt like their comments were BTSCish.

I admit that Matt's weird thing pinged me, but what was weirder was that one or two people afterwards were like "yeah! What he said!" Felt very much like teammates trying to support his weird accusation (which I still don't get what he was actually trying to accuse me of?!) it might have been Juliet? Don't remember now and too lazy to search on this thing.

Already said why Polo, and added to that he's been trying to base suspicion using Goldens posts after golden said twice they were Jay's for story purposes.

#2088

ObscureAllure wrote:Fine - I can't link to all the posts because I'm not searching on my phone. So bear with me.

I think long con is bad. I've seen play from him this game that I would never have expected from the LC I used to know. He has seemed panicked multiple times and his whole jumping in thing felt like a save, with his "oh look how much of a funny asshole I am" as a save. Again, I'm not searching on my
Phone for posts to support this right now. He also hinted to wanting to try and lynch Epi again when I believe Epi to be town and we knew he'd just be resurrected anyway. And I know I'm an idiot for mentioning it because if there's one thing that man can do, it's turn a whole mob against someone who suspects him in two seconds flat with no evidence.

I think there's a possibility that Lorab and Nutella are bad, but again not a lot of evidence. Just felt like their comments were BTSCish.

I admit that Matt's weird thing pinged me, but what was weirder was that one or two people afterwards were like "yeah! What he said!" Felt very much like teammates trying to support his weird accusation (which I still don't get what he was actually trying to accuse me of?!) it might have been Juliet? Don't remember now and too lazy to search on this thing.

Already said why Polo, and added to that he's been trying to base suspicion using Goldens posts after golden said twice they were Jay's for story purposes.

I don't agree with your opinions, but I buy that these opinions are genuine.

#2089

No hidden meaning. I was just poking fun. 8-) As for suspecting anyone... I'm not sure how your supposed to get a feel that sort of thing yet. I'm reading along and spotting little hints about peoples potential characters but outside of this there is nothing to justify that anyone is any particular person and therefore its hard to make an educated decision. Most of you have played together for some time based on the banter and have a clue about how each of you react so it kind of puts the noob in the room at a disadvantage. LOL

Based on certain people's actions and reactions I've yet to see anyone do anything outright damaging. Some people who were quick to assist are suspect to me sometimes but that is difficult to gauge because normal people would be helpful. I think I've got a read on at least two peoples background characters based on activity, paranoia, and mentions of Heath Issues assuming that was not intended as a RL outburst which it could have been.

I find it very difficult to point a finger without enough evidence to say that they are a baddie or a goodie. I do think it odd to encourage voting for players who've not yet participated though. Especially coming off a holiday weekend. Giving it a couple of days would yield better results to see how they jump in. But that is my humble read of the current situation.

#2090

Oh and missed the second part of your Q... I'm reluctant to share because I haven't played in a while and so I'm relearning people's play styles. And by posting it I open myself Up for back lash which I wasn't ready for yet because I didn't have strong evidence on any of them. Said that before but I'll repeat it now for clarity. I've never seen so many people "know" so much about other players and their play style as what I've seen people say this game. I don't know if it's unique to this game, or if it's how mafia has changed over the years, but day one and day two used to be very little actual knowledge and more so poking and prodding people. If you read this thread, you're all claiming to be masters of judging each other's play styles and it's just... Different than the mafia I used to play with many of these people. Trying to understand why the difference and what it means towards game play.

#2091

And didn't expect anyone to agree right now, especially with out be quoting and linking, but you demanded the post so I delivered.

#2092

ObscureAllure wrote:Oh and missed the second part of your Q... I'm reluctant to share because I haven't played in a while and so I'm relearning people's play styles. And by posting it I open myself Up for back lash which I wasn't ready for yet because I didn't have strong evidence on any of them. Said that before but I'll repeat it now for clarity. I've never seen so many people "know" so much about other players and their play style as what I've seen people say this game. I don't know if it's unique to this game, or if it's how mafia has changed over the years, but day one and day two used to be very little actual knowledge and more so poking and prodding people. If you read this thread, you're all claiming to be masters of judging each other's play styles and it's just... Different than the mafia I used to play with many of these people. Trying to understand why the difference and what it means towards game play.

I will never understand why so much stock is put in "playstyle." If you are that predictable and you are incapable of shaking things up, go play something else. Mafia is not for you.

#2093

Epignosis wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:Oh and missed the second part of your Q... I'm reluctant to share because I haven't played in a while and so I'm relearning people's play styles. And by posting it I open myself Up for back lash which I wasn't ready for yet because I didn't have strong evidence on any of them. Said that before but I'll repeat it now for clarity. I've never seen so many people "know" so much about other players and their play style as what I've seen people say this game. I don't know if it's unique to this game, or if it's how mafia has changed over the years, but day one and day two used to be very little actual knowledge and more so poking and prodding people. If you read this thread, you're all claiming to be masters of judging each other's play styles and it's just... Different than the mafia I used to play with many of these people. Trying to understand why the difference and what it means towards game play.
I will never understand why so much stock is put in "playstyle." If you are that predictable and you are incapable of shaking things up, go play something else. Mafia is not for you.

RIGHT?!?! Seriously! It's weird seeing everyone say "well when x is townie he's always like this and when he's mafia he's always like this!" And it's not one person, beaucoup people have said it this game. If it's so easy to tell who is who then why don't we have a full complete list that everyone agrees on and why are we playing this game?! I enjoy the fact that many of these people are very hard to read because it makes it fun. Sure, you're bound to compare a little but this game has been full of experts. Not something I remember from the past, for sure.

#2094

ObscureAllure wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:Oh and missed the second part of your Q... I'm reluctant to share because I haven't played in a while and so I'm relearning people's play styles. And by posting it I open myself Up for back lash which I wasn't ready for yet because I didn't have strong evidence on any of them. Said that before but I'll repeat it now for clarity. I've never seen so many people "know" so much about other players and their play style as what I've seen people say this game. I don't know if it's unique to this game, or if it's how mafia has changed over the years, but day one and day two used to be very little actual knowledge and more so poking and prodding people. If you read this thread, you're all claiming to be masters of judging each other's play styles and it's just... Different than the mafia I used to play with many of these people. Trying to understand why the difference and what it means towards game play.
I will never understand why so much stock is put in "playstyle." If you are that predictable and you are incapable of shaking things up, go play something else. Mafia is not for you.

RIGHT?!?! Seriously! It's weird seeing everyone say "well when x is townie he's always like this and when he's mafia he's always like this!" And it's not one person, beaucoup people have said it this game. If it's so easy to tell who is who then why don't we have a full complete list that everyone agrees on and why are we playing this game?! I enjoy the fact that many of these people are very hard to read because it makes it fun. Sure, you're bound to compare a little but this game has been full of experts. Not something I remember from the past, for sure.

You have my nod of approval. For now.

#2095

ObscureAllure wrote:Already said why Polo, and added to that he's been trying to base suspicion using Goldens posts after golden said twice they were Jay's for story purposes.

Poop. Golden said it once, and I was merely kidding when I mentioned Ricochet by the end of N1.

There's a gun pointed at your head. Would you lynch Long Con today?

If I had a gun at my head right now, I'd vote DFaraday. He's been lurking and has only posted 3 times in the thread. I know it's a vote with not much substance but my gut don't like it.

#2096

Accumulating my notes and thoughts still. I'll pick up where I'm at in the morning. Expect me to be chatty tomorrow.

#2097

I don't think ika was killed for spamming and if he was, it's pretty bad strategy overall. I always leave the people who are arguing a lot alive as scum. Unless they are heavily suspecting me. It would be better to go through and see who ika was suspecting or perhaps it' s because of his agenda to destroy all cylons. There really is no logical reason to kill him because he was up for a lynch so it must be something he said that freaked them out. When I am less tired, I'll look for it.

Also, what LC said about ika's playstyle is right on. ika provokes lots of reactions as town.

And finally, It's out of line to say people shouldn't play mafia if they are predictable and can't shake things up. I know that insinuation was thrown around that ika was saying that about me and he wasn't at all. He knows some of my tells because he knows me. That doesn't mean I play the same way every time. Comments like this are just not necessary and quite frankly, rude.

#2098

OA - thank you for your input. I always value "old school" players input. (No offense intended, I mean that as a compliment.) I am still trying to suss LC at this point myself, and I find I don't disagree with much of what you said. The whole jumping in thing of his is still a bit of a sticking point with me too. The timing of it is strange, especially since we hit a Rezz Ship. And also his defense of the action has seemed flip floppy. And really hoping others will also chime in with input. I guess I am flippy floppy on him for the moment too, just like I am with JJJ.

I do so much want to be inspired. (Read that in a southern belle's accent, since that's the way I said it.)

I am absorbing what has been said, and will continue to try to do so the best of my ability before vote time. I am going to log off for the night now, and hope that sleeping on it will prove helpful.

In my next post, I'll post the upcoming sortie schedule.

#2099

Silverwolf wrote:And finally, It's out of line to say people shouldn't play mafia if they are predictable and can't shake things up. I know that insinuation was thrown around that ika was saying that about me and he wasn't at all. He knows some of my tells because he knows me. That doesn't mean I play the same way every time. Comments like this are just not necessary and quite frankly, rude.

No it isn't. This is like a poker game. If your tells are consistent, you will lose all the time. That simple. Play Bingo if you can't keep your tells in check.

#2100

@ Rico, you are up next for sortie - 5:49 am EST

May 11, 5:49 am EST - Rico
May 11, 11:49 am EST - G-Man
May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 11, 11:49 pm EST -

A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

#2101

No, I'm up next.

For bed.

Good night.

#2102

Epignosis wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:And finally, It's out of line to say people shouldn't play mafia if they are predictable and can't shake things up. I know that insinuation was thrown around that ika was saying that about me and he wasn't at all. He knows some of my tells because he knows me. That doesn't mean I play the same way every time. Comments like this are just not necessary and quite frankly, rude.
No it isn't. This is like a poker game. If your tells are consistent, you will lose all the time. That simple. Play Bingo if you can't keep your tells in check.

Don't tell me not to play mafia. I've won far more games than I've ever lost. You are just being a jerk to me in this game like you were in Turf Wars. Clearly you have issues with me. I'm sick of your antagonizing shit towards me in numerous games. You are a moderator here who should know better and you've been talked to about this before. I'm reporting this shit now. I've had it with you.

#2103

I didn't get that read when I read the comment about predictability. I didn't see it as connected to you and ika in way way. I think you are being too thin-skinned with Epi, Silverwolf. His Bingo comment is just the statement of a man who believes in his statement on controlling one's tells. I'm looking at it, and it is a stretch so say that he was telling you not to play Mafia anymore.

#2104

Long Con wrote:...connected to you and ika in way way.

I meant "in any way".

#2105

Whoa! Calm down! Epi was just responding to me, and I was just saying if you already know from day one who everyone is, there's no point in playing the game because you already know. I wasn't specifically referring to you or Ika, there were tons of people who said similar things. And yet for as good as everyone seems to be, no one agrees on who is what so obviously everyone isn't as good as they claim. Lol. Was light hearted discussion, no reason to freak out. If you're mad get mad at me as I said it, Epi just was replying to me.

#2106

Silverwolf wrote:I've won far more games than I've ever lost.

Also: wow. I would be horrified to see my own win/loss record.

#2107

What you two are missing is Epi's attitude towards me since I started playing on this site.

#2108

I've had to report Epi numerous times for being a meany, so I feel ya Silvy.

#2109

Polo wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:Already said why Polo, and added to that he's been trying to base suspicion using Goldens posts after golden said twice they were Jay's for story purposes.
Poop. Golden said it once, and I was merely kidding when I mentioned Ricochet by the end of N1.

There's a gun pointed at your head. Would you lynch Long Con today?

If I had a gun at my head right now, I'd vote DFaraday. He's been lurking and has only posted 3 times in the thread. I know it's a vote with not much substance but my gut don't like it.

If I had to pick from the list I gave you, he's definitely top of it but more so for gut feeling than evidence in the thread. Although no one has to hold a gun to my head to make me vote. I will vote for someone willingly tomorrow with out that motivation requirement. Lol.

Linki: dude Matt you were going all stalker on me so I don't want to hear it. You STILL never gave me a good reason why the zebra thing had any impact or affect on this game what so ever?!

Indiglo, thanks for the compliments. Although I was a shit player then and no doubt I'll still be a shit player now so don't put too much stock in my play style or opinions. Lol. (Did I ever tell you about the time that LC tricked me for like three weeks into thinking that he was my townie BTSC partner when he was actually mafia and playing me? And I totally believed him and even followed his mafia will unknowingly? Yeah... I'm not always spot on in my assessments. Lol)

#2110

ObscureAllure wrote:Linki: dude Matt you were going all stalker on me so I don't want to hear it. You STILL never gave me a good reason why the zebra thing had any impact or affect on this game what so ever?!

I was kidding, I've never reported Epi.

#2111

Also you haven't seen me go all stalker on you yet. Ask Marmot.

#2112

Silverwolf, I probably have this perspective because I thought Epi was a giant asshole for the first while after meeting him. He comes across like that. With experience, I have come to understand that he is a more complex individual is only a minor asshole, mixed in with other, much more palatable personality aspects. My advice would be to decide for yourself to ignore/laugh off something if it makes you feel upset, because, as someone who knows Epi better now, I REALLY doubt that upsetting you is his goal.

ObscureAllure wrote:(Did I ever tell you about the time that LC tricked me for like three weeks into thinking that he was my townie BTSC partner when he was actually mafia and playing me? And I totally believed him and even followed his mafia will unknowingly?)

HA HA Ha ha haaaa... hey, shut up OA.

#2113

So say we all

Thank you for the explanation Polo. One question I still don't know the answer to, why is Indi directing the search? Just for coordination purposes?

Silverwolf wrote:Daisy, I'm not going after you for RL. If you look at my reads D1 I had you as busy in RL with no read. I start going after low content posters if they don't post by the time D2 rolls around and has been going for awhile. I either get them to post or I try to lynch them if they don't. I can't read people who don't post. It's aggressive maybe but it has worked for me before so I'll keep doing it. It's to the benefit of the whole game if people participate. You know that as well as I do.

Except for the fact I'm sure that I am far from the only low poster, and I have been pretty clear I am attempting to catch up and orient myself here. If I were just content to low post it would be one thing but I've been up front about exactly what is going on. Additionally you have now mentioned me like three times as scum reading me, and it entirely based upon my low posting, for which I have clearly told you all exactly what is going on. And as I mentioned, you have plenty of other low posting options to go after, yet somehow I seem to be the one you are targeting.

I'm like 8 pages in from the start, and the thing of note for me so far is how Polo pulled "carrier" seemingly out of thin air. Going back to continue now.

#2114

indiglo wrote:@ Rico, you are up next for sortie - 5:49 am EST

I am on my post. *salutes*

#2115

Rico I don't know what your reads are.

#2116

Someone request an ISO. I'm always cheerleading and motivating, this time I need someone to give me that.

#2117

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Someone request an ISO. I'm always cheerleading and motivating, this time I need someone to give me that.

Ooooh, ISO me!

#2118

Ok, I got to page 15, now I need to sleep, hopefully can make more headway tomorrow before work.

Right now I am town reading Matt, his tinfoiling is based in lore and a lot of it has been sound IMO. Which I don't always think when it comes to his tinfoiling. His tone reads genuine to me as well. But he could be fooling me. In Downton I was convinced he was bad but he was civ.

Epi we know is a toaster, the question is can we trust him really?
Slight scum reading Zebra and JJJ, but frankly it is almost entirely based upon the interaction where he called her a toaster, their whole interaction just felt false to me.
Slight scum read on Rico as well, hisback and forth with ika and Silverwolf did not sit well with me, it was a lot of semantics that he was arguing, it looked like someone who was trying to fling mud while still technically keeping their hands clean, if that makes any sense.

That's all for now, my pillow is calling.

Linki: have you ISOed LC yet?

#2119

Spacedaisy wrote:Slight scum reading Zebra and JJJ, but frankly it is almost entirely based upon the interaction where he called her a toaster, their whole interaction just felt false to me.

I'm surprised you'd say so as one of the hosts of Turf Wars.

I'll ISO Long Con.

#2120

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Rico I don't know what your reads are.

I have no new updates, because playing yesterday was tough shit busyness for me and I'm growingly anxious that today will be just as well (not to mention the rest of the week). I'll do my best.

#2121

So, which one should I do? Thoughts? I could do E5 to get back in line with the checkerboard and link F5-D5; I could do D2, to create a second different diagonal; I could do D4 to continue the diagonal descending from A1 (and also create a zig-zag between the C-F rows).

Long Con wrote:Had we stuck to our original checkerboard pattern, B2 would have been called on our 4th sortie. But, after LC intervened, we only got around to it on our 6th sortie. Not only did he change the sector called, he also got us off the checkerboard pattern idea by insinuating it was manipulative. It clearly was not, and the suggestion delayed the destruction of the Rezz Ship by 2 sorties, or 12 hours. Any thoughts on that? Does it still seem like good-natured mischief?

I'm partially ears on this. The D2 reveal could look like bad news for LC.

I also think it could be good news for Beats - 'cause otherwise, if you are a cylon with knowledge of ships/Hub location and propose a pattern that allows us to hit something within 4 moves, you're not very good at manipulating. In fairness, though, after the 3rd sortie, a change of pattern was proposed and largely approved (even by me), so B2 as 4th sortie might have not happened anyway. We could have gone diagonal from A1 and thus B2 would have remained the 4th sortie. We could have started a diagonal (or other pattern) from elsewhere. We all gave our accord to such potential path change.

Polo wrote:If I had a gun at my head right now, I'd vote DFaraday. He's been lurking and has only posted 3 times in the thread. I know it's a vote with not much substance but my gut don't like it.

I would motion that we wait for post #4. Two of his three posts were not lurk, but catchup posts (with a small bit of thread perusal). If indeed lurking, he may drive himself into participation issues in a matter of 14-15 hours, as far as I can see. I know you admit your vote intention might not be substantial, but reading your Day Two posts so far doesn't give me the impression of other leads you might have. Care to develop?

Silverwolf wrote:D'Faraday would be an o.k. lynch if we can't come up with anything better. He's only posted 3 times but if I can't find a scumread, I like to go for a low content poster. If they are scum trying to lay low-great. If they are town-they aren't being that helpful and I'd rather lose them than someone who is keeping the convo alive. Spacedaisy is kind of falling into this camp as well at this point. I hope IAWY gets replaced but I'd be inclined to scumread that slot based on his behavior before replacing out similar to behavior as scum in championship.

Overall, I'd say this "if you're not helping as town, we should remove you" stance has never been the main approach in Syndicate games. And I'm saying this from the perspective from someone who's often lost patience himself with low posters sticking around for cycles long. Back to DFaraday, I will say again that the nature of two of his three posts are apologetic and contextual. For Day Two, I still motion that we await pending new contact with DF, rather than taking the easy route.

#2122

Ricochet wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Rico I don't know what your reads are.
I have no new updates, because playing yesterday was tough shit busyness for me and I'm growingly anxious that today will be just as well (not to mention the rest of the week). I'll do my best.

It's perfectly fine if you're busy and stuff, but you have 213 posts. I don't know what your reads are, and you have 213 posts.

#2123

Spacedaisy wrote:Slight scum read on Rico as well, hisback and forth with ika and Silverwolf did not sit well with me, it was a lot of semantics that he was arguing, it looked like someone who was trying to fling mud while still technically keeping their hands clean, if that makes any sense.

By "scum" do you mean baddie or simply not civilian aligned?

kidding

It doesn't and it wasn't what I did. Also, the semantics were created by my fellow speakers, my intent was to discuss potential complex game mechanics.

Even by broad definitions of what I did, arguing relentlessly and being confrontational are not my baddie traits.

linki: I have reads within 213 posts. Sorry it's 213 posts you have to look inside for them. Check my early and late logs, usually. In this case, my late log is yet to develop.

For instance, I've started today by proposing more scrutiny on Zebra. Her blank cheque vote for BR yesterDay had me in "wary standby" and since I've discovered that she works by such principles ("I'm voting X because I know X's baddie meta") before as bad. What say you?

#2124

Long Con ISO suggested by Spacedaisy:

Spoiler: show

At the start of the game when I asked everyone whether they'd prefer I broadcast any town reads I might have on them, Long Con was the only one to outright recommend against it. I don't know if that means anything, but the highlighted bit doesn't appear genuine at face value. I don't recall Long Con being the sort of player who recoils against people town reading him quite like he describes here. This might have been a laborious way of implanting himself into a townlike perspective that he doesn't actually have. Minor point.

Spoiler: show

These bits are pulled from a larger post. LC did well to take stances on Day 1, but when he took those stances there wasn't much of an accompanying explanation. His treatment of Matt here is a valid example. I don't know why he was reading Matt as bad, and his read had next to no chance of progressing into an actual lynch because he made no effort to actually promote it in any way beyond merely placing his vote (his permanent vote). That's not ideal.

Spoiler: show

Long Con, certified taker of stances.

Spoiler: show

He called them gut reads, which on Day 1 isn't necessarily a bad thing. I still have no idea what inspired them though, or why he felt great about his Epignosis read.

Spoiler: show

sig got a little shit for his self-admission of emoticon abuse, something I read as good-natured joking from him and not something that means much of anything. If sig is town, then this is an example of a post that could be capitalizing on sig's tendency to get himself into trouble.

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Reiterating the same Day 1 reads. Only putting this here to reference later if necessary.

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Ehh. The highlighted portion is a rather candid admission of what I just said, but without the implied "town sig sets himself up inadvertently in every game he plays" angle.

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Regarding the highlighted portion: allow me to ask you the same question, Long Con. You've sworn repeatedly to destroy Epignosis because he's a cylon without regard for any possibility that he might not a bad one.

Also, the conviction you convey in your suspicion of ika strikes me as fake. ika was a very easy target at that point because his screaming and spamming was driving people crazy, but I don't think he was remotely suspicious and I doubt you really did either.

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I'm not really qualified to say much about the resurrection ship chase and people's coordinated effort to locate it, but I have caught rumblings that Long Con goofed at some point in the process? He projected that goof in this post.

"for fun"

This kind of reminds me of the 2015 champs game when MacDougall and DrWilgy among others were obsessed with forcing tied tallies "for fun", even though it was clearly not in town's best interests. They were mafia naturally.

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Long Con, certified taker of stances.

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Long Con wrote:
indiglo wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I hope the Host seriously doesn't allow this, based on we establishing a queue of authorised volunteers, not Mr. Looney Coen over here.

indi, call it in, after the Host gives the result on A3 (if we have to wait for it), or call it in, when it's time.
Cool wit me. I meant to ask Goldama about that previously - if we need to wait for results before calling in the next sortie or not.

LC, it was a dick move. Completely. I'm not calling you a dick, btw.
I accept the dick move accusation. I once was shown a super long icicle hanging, and despite my friend's excitement and wonder over it, I said "Cool!" and then touched my finger lightly to it, causing it to fall and shatter. It amused me to purposely be such a jerk, because I'm not like that 99% of the time. Gleeful mischief, not mean-spirited. I urge you to hear, in the words of the immortal Star-Lord: "I may be an asshole, but I am not 100% a dick". So comments like this:

sig wrote:That is a cylonish thing to do LC.
...are not necessary.

In other words, just having some fun, plus I truly don't think it matters what order we pick these in when we're searching for one single random (?) square. We'll get it when we get it, and it is pure luck that determines when we get it. It could be on square A2 for all we know, and thus we'll all die of old age before we find it.

Furthermore, I allowed myself to do it because I think it is BETTER to introduce some deviations from the plan. As far as I can tell, we are straight-up following DrumBeats' proposed plan, without alterations, right? Am I wrong about that? I might have skimmed some of indiglo's planning posts due to the repetition of information and the graph-grid thingy. I said it several times before, it's not wise to just follow one person's plan to the letter. What if DrumBeats is a Cylon who is leading us to squares that he knows don't contain the Rez Ship? Why are none of you concerned about this?

You can count on me doing this again at some point if someone else doesn't address this flaw in the plan, and come up with a way to mend it. Going diagonal after reaching A5 was one such proposed idea, but it seems to me that it got fluffed away and the original plan was still the popular way to go.

Linki: Thanks MM. And no confirmation yet.

He equated sig's fair accusation to indiglo's light-hearted suggestion that LC's maneuver was a "dick move". This is a discredit of sig that doesn't pay his accusation fair respect, and just discards it based upon a faulty premise. His point that the group's plan, originated by DrumBeats, should be interrupted given the chance that DrumBeats is a cylon strikes me as a really fake excuse to justify what was really just his decision to screw with the plan. Unless he has a reason to provide that DrumBeats is not trustworthy, then I flat out don't believe him in this post. Terrible look.

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He is willfully acting as a wrench throw into the gears of cooperation. "I won't interfere again if I'm satisfied with the plan." This is ignorant of any semblance of team work and it gives him a free pass to do it again, just by claiming "he doesn't like the plan". He suggested DrumBeats might be leading people astray as a cylon -- I'd suggest Long Con could just as easily be screwing with DrumBeats' plan because it was sound.

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His proposed alternative is to randomize a list of players and ask them for their sector of choice.

A randomized list would likely include baddie cylons given basic probability.

Long Con provides a lore-based list of how each character might be aligned

This is a nice effort, but it doesn't do much to help us find baddies. It even assigns a "good" grade to Epi's flipped character, but Long Con hasn't recanted his pursuit of Epi's head to my knowledge. He has put it out there like murdering cylons alone is his win condition (without actually saying that), but that could easily be his cover for pursuing the lynch of a good player to progress a baddie win condition instead.

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His aggression against sig continues to look fake to me.

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Long Con, certified taker of stances, wasn't willing to take at least one stance.

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This affirms that Long Con has maintained his anti-Epi bloodlust after having called his character town-inclined in his lore-based character list.

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nutella said she "really dislikes ika's tone" and "his unshakeability rubs her the wrong way". Those are both distinctly accusatory, they carry a clear implication that she is scum reading ika. The notion that he was just annoying did not come until later.

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We already know that it's against the rules to publicly state one's win condition. Long Con hasn't explicitly done this, but it's clear that he's trying to convey here that his win condition is to eliminate the cylons. I don't believe him.

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This was fun. I have a baddie read on Long Con.

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RIP my father's money, but I have secured two tickets to Keith Jarrett. The purchase system was giving so many errors, while seats were vanishing in seconds, I thought I lost all hope.

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Ricochet wrote:For instance, I've started today by proposing more scrutiny on Zebra. Her blank cheque vote for BR yesterDay had me in "wary standby" and since I've discovered that she works by such principles ("I'm voting X because I know X's baddie meta") before as bad. What say you?

Do you have an example of her pulling the same move as a baddie?

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Ricochet wrote:For instance, I've started today by proposing more scrutiny on Zebra. Her blank cheque vote for BR yesterDay had me in "wary standby" and since I've discovered that she works by such principles ("I'm voting X because I know X's baddie meta") before as bad. What say you?
Do you have an example of her pulling the same move as a baddie?

Yes, but it's not "kosher" to point it out, because the context of the example has not concluded on all levels.

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Ricochet wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Ricochet wrote:For instance, I've started today by proposing more scrutiny on Zebra. Her blank cheque vote for BR yesterDay had me in "wary standby" and since I've discovered that she works by such principles ("I'm voting X because I know X's baddie meta") before as bad. What say you?
Do you have an example of her pulling the same move as a baddie?
Yes, but it's not "kosher" to point it out, because the context of the example has not concluded on all levels.

Understood. I found it anyway. I'm a bit wary of recency bias influencing people's reads on this one, but the comparison is at least valid. It's not terribly inspiring that Zebra provided a meta read on a player who at the time had made no posts, also. I gave her a decent look on Day 1 for her handling of my hard poke, but I do think she's probably a stronger reactionary player than most (that's sort of her whole game). I suppose she is suspicious enough without having done an ISO. Maybe I will.

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Be back for the sector check, it'd really help more input on what the next move should be, or else I'd basically have to resort to an individual call, which I've lobbied against.

So, which one should I do? Thoughts? I could do E5 to get back in line with the checkerboard and link F5-D5; I could do D2, to create a second different diagonal; I could do D4 to continue the diagonal descending from A1 (and also create a zig-zag between the C-F rows).

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I've not been involved with this process yet, so I'm not quite attuned to exactly how you folks have been working it. The first option you presented sounds fine though -- E5. If you have a reason to dislike that option then I wouldn't fault you for taking a different one.

Who be you lynching today?