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[speedchuck]

Tony makes the night polls apparently. I have no reason to think that role is town or scum.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

For the record nanook changed his vote without asking me (second time he does that) but he also voted where I was thinking of voting (again, second time that happens).

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Tony makes the night polls apparently. I have no reason to think that role is town or scum.

These kinds of roles tend to be more like town imo. If you have to balance a team of three scum having one of them be zero utility is a major inbalance point, while for the town side it's a good way to keep the town team from being OP.

If there are 4 scum I'd expect the town to have much stronger roles, though, which hasn't been the case so far.

[speedchuck]

The speed/Tony thunderdome has been interesting in that it gave good arguments both/again both sides.

I do think Tony looks shadier now after speed quoted his posts shading me for going after MR. While speed looks okay due to his second vote on MR. But I still have a good gut feeling about Tony and not much about speed...

And yeah Wolgy is a valid option. Low activity is not a great reason to lynch him but I feel not enough people are considering/voting for it which means scum could be avoiding him.

This is the first I've heard about me and Tony being in a Thunderdome. And about any arguments given against me. Tony was just one of several people I wanted to ISO.

What thread are you in?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Tony makes the night polls apparently. I have no reason to think that role is town or scum.

Agreed. Claim does nothing for me. Neither does Juliets’s claim to me in private.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t think roles are particularly AI but I also don’t think Tony’s makes much sense as a scum role tbh, you can’t use it for openly scummy things if you ever have to reveal.

I’d say small point in his favor.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also I’m sorry DDL, you weren’t around much and I get trigger happy

If you don’t like our vote we can figure out one we’re both happy with, my impression is you’re mostly on the same page as me though?

[speedchuck]

Tony makes the night polls apparently. I have no reason to think that role is town or scum.

These kinds of roles tend to be more like town imo. If you have to balance a team of three scum having one of them be zero utility is a major inbalance point, while for the town side it's a good way to keep the town team from being OP.

If there are 4 scum I'd expect the town to have much stronger roles, though, which hasn't been the case so far.

=.=

So... the role is town because it's not powerful enough to be scum... but there are only three scum because town is not powerful enough...

Seems kinda backward.

Also go back and read LC's power if you think town doesn't have strong roles.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

A one shot IR that vigs a red check is nice but it’s not, like, AMAZING. It’s a useful role but it’s not especially or ridiculously strong.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

The speed/Tony thunderdome has been interesting in that it gave good arguments both/again both sides.

I do think Tony looks shadier now after speed quoted his posts shading me for going after MR. While speed looks okay due to his second vote on MR. But I still have a good gut feeling about Tony and not much about speed...

And yeah Wolgy is a valid option. Low activity is not a great reason to lynch him but I feel not enough people are considering/voting for it which means scum could be avoiding him.

This is the first I've heard about me and Tony being in a Thunderdome. And about any arguments given against me. Tony was just one of several people I wanted to ISO.

What thread are you in?

THunderdome wasn't the right word but there has been a comparison between you and him goingthis page.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Tony makes the night polls apparently. I have no reason to think that role is town or scum.

These kinds of roles tend to be more like town imo. If you have to balance a team of three scum having one of them be zero utility is a major inbalance point, while for the town side it's a good way to keep the town team from being OP.

If there are 4 scum I'd expect the town to have much stronger roles, though, which hasn't been the case so far.

=.=

So... the role is town because it's not powerful enough to be scum... but there are only three scum because town is not powerful enough...

Seems kinda backward.

Also go back and read LC's power if you think town doesn't have strong roles.

Still don't think that's super strong tbh. In most games it doesn't even get activated.

Most of town has had weak stuff which suggests an effort from the hosts to keep a 4-1 proportion under control.

My line of logic is "town roles are mostly weak" -> "there are 3 scum" -> "Tony's role being scum nerfs them too much"

[Dragon D. Luffy]

DDL
nanook

Jack
juliets

Tony
Wilgy

MP
speed
Hyena

Posting just to have it noted somewhere.

[speedchuck]

Just seems like maybe there are 4 scum then and they're nerfed even more?

Maybe I'm wrong. Number advantages are pretty enormous.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So what is the chance that the hosts put the two scum together?

Or that they put the scum scum in the 3-man team?

I mean chances are it was random, but if I'm the host I might re-randomize a particularly pro-town or pro-scum setup.

[speedchuck]

Good god DDL why Hyena.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Part of me sort of wants to say scum partners wouldn’t get put in the same neighborhood. Is that bad logic?

[speedchuck]

DDL
nanook

Jack
juliets

Tony
Wilgy

MP
speed
Hyena

Posting just to have it noted somewhere.

Nanook a tier above the near-townfirm. The guy who was campaigning and blackmailing an MR lynch out of nanook on the bottom. Me on the bottom for no stated reasons.

What is this list?

[speedchuck]

Part of me sort of wants to say scum partners wouldn’t get put in the same neighborhood. Is that bad logic?

I'd like to as well, but I bet you anything it was randomized.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s literally a list of neighborhoods, not a reads list

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Part of me sort of wants to say scum partners wouldn’t get put in the same neighborhood. Is that bad logic?

I'd like to as well, but I bet you anything it was randomized.

Ehhhhh. I mean almost definitely, I still kinda want to read it into but yeah it’s probably just totally randomized.

[speedchuck]

It’s literally a list of neighborhoods, not a reads list

I was so confused.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Just seems like maybe there are 4 scum then and they're nerfed even more?

Maybe I'm wrong. Number advantages are pretty enormous.

If there are 4 scum I'd expect town to have a plethora of ways to use abilities to win. Cuz we kind of need it. A non-conditional vig, a cop, a doctor, maybe a tracker/watcher. None of that stuff is dropping. Just giving mafia a bad role doesn't save town from being overwhelmed, because town roles are the ones who make the biggest difference in a game, and mafia roles are more reactive.

If there are 3 scum this looks fine. But if there are 3 scum roles, there is some pressure for them to have enough abilities to counteract the eventual town fluke. Now, MR's role covers a lot of uses (role cop, roleblocker, and one extra of something) so maybe this isn't that big of an issue, but all the power being on MR could be a little swingy. I'd expect the remaining mafia to have at least one of the following: a vote manipulator, some kind of extra kill and some godfather status.

Then again I make my games my way and I don't expect hosts to think exactly like I do.

[Jackofhearts2005]

None of the POE has done anything today to make me not want to lynch them.

[speedchuck]

Just seems like maybe there are 4 scum then and they're nerfed even more?

Maybe I'm wrong. Number advantages are pretty enormous.

If there are 4 scum I'd expect town to have a plethora of ways to use abilities to win. Cuz we kind of need it. A non-conditional vig, a cop, a doctor, maybe a tracker/watcher. None of that stuff is dropping. Just giving mafia a bad role doesn't save town from being overwhelmed, because town roles are the ones who make the biggest difference in a game, and mafia roles are more reactive.

If there are 3 scum this looks fine. But if there are 3 scum roles, there is some pressure for them to have enough abilities to counteract the eventual town fluke. Now, MR's role covers a lot of uses (role cop, roleblocker, and one extra of something) so maybe this isn't that big of an issue, but all the power being on MR could be a little swingy. I'd expect the remaining mafia to have at least one of the following: a vote manipulator, some kind of extra kill and some godfather status.

Then again I make my games my way and I don't expect hosts to think exactly like I do.

Don't need godfather status if there are no cops.

[TonyStarkPrime]

So what is the chance that the hosts put the two scum together?

Or that they put the scum scum in the 3-man team?

I mean chances are it was random, but if I'm the host I might re-randomize a particularly pro-town or pro-scum setup.

then it's not random

as someone who sat through 20 minutes of mathematicians complaining about how random.org isn't random because it relies on atmospheric signals something something something, I feel compelled to make this point.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I wonder what happens if the two people in a team disagree with their vote.

My assumption is then that team doesn't use their vote. I seriously counted 10 when I wrote the ability and figured it'd go off slightly cleaner.

[Tangrowth]

Okay, I should pretty much be able to be here until deadline, with the occasional break.

[Tangrowth]

Resuming my catch-up.

Some questions to consider:

If nutella is scum, would she be as up-front-and-center as she is now? Kinda powerwolfing if so, even if she's suspected.

If MP is town (regardless of nutella's alignment) would he be voting only based on who he can save and who he trusts rather than, IDK, actually having reads of his own?

Hey speed, can you talk to me about this? I know it's old news, but I need to try to get inside your head with this.

[Tangrowth]

Guys, honestly, read Nutella's response to my suspicion of her. Does she sound like scum there? I don't think so.

Does anyone think juliets had TMI here? Is she even the type to do that as scum?

[juliets]

So [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] have you read my ISO yet? I'm waiting for you to point out some things I've done that are scummy. enough to justify your read.

[Tangrowth]

MP7: My towngame and my scumgame are lightyears different
Also MP7: Puts forth most of his effort into ketchup and then disappears

Like I know you ain't at no dinner parties. We're quarantined and shit.

(If MP7 is like a doctor or something, sorry.)

He a professor or treacher or somethin' I think.

'Rona is why he's back, but he said something about being in like 3 games RN.

Yes, this thing you said here, just so you all know.

I'm considered essential, so while my workload has lightened some due to the pandemic, I still am teaching virtually and even when my teaching load is zero I always have research, so there's that.

[Tangrowth]

I feel like we've cleared someone we shouldn't have. Even if Juliets is in fact scum, there are probably one or two other than her.

MP could have become scum but 1. that seems to easy and 2. no way am I lynching the same guy two days in a row.

While I appreciate the sentiment, what's the reason for this, speed?

[speedchuck]

Resuming my catch-up.

Some questions to consider:

If nutella is scum, would she be as up-front-and-center as she is now? Kinda powerwolfing if so, even if she's suspected.

If MP is town (regardless of nutella's alignment) would he be voting only based on who he can save and who he trusts rather than, IDK, actually having reads of his own?

Hey speed, can you talk to me about this? I know it's old news, but I need to try to get inside your head with this.

Spoiler: show

Nanook proposed it as a compromise, and my intention is to save you today more than it is to vote a scum read since I don't really have any.

Nanook proposed it as a compromise, and my intention is to save you today more than it is to vote a scum read since I don't really have any.

But you went from being the second voter on juliets to being the second voter on speed. It's unnecessary. Yeah if it comes down to it I'd like to be saved, but as far as I can tell (/hope) the juliets wagon is just as viable as the speed one atm. So what exactly is convincing you to move to speed when juliets is lower on your list if all other things are equal? Do you trust Nanook more than me? (It's okay if you do I'm just asking lol)

Oh, I see what you're saying, lol. I didn't even think about vote totals. I'm open to whichever has more interest.

I'm not sure which one of you I trust more. I perhaps am more likely to tinfoil you at any random moment, but I currently trust you about the same.

It's not actually helpful to the current gamestate since you flipped already, but these were your most recent posts at the time. I brought it up because I wasn't sure whether to scumread the mindset or not. I couldn't fathom not having scumreads in this game.

[speedchuck]

I feel like we've cleared someone we shouldn't have. Even if Juliets is in fact scum, there are probably one or two other than her.

MP could have become scum but 1. that seems to easy and 2. no way am I lynching the same guy two days in a row.

While I appreciate the sentiment, what's the reason for this, speed?

Partly giving you time to establish yourself in your new slot, since giving you only one day insures that you're unknown. Lynching the same person 2 days in a row is never giving them a fair chance. (assuming they're a replacement)
Also partly not being a dick.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Here are the posts I see that are MR about Tony:

LC can die but if the point of the game is complete our personal vendettas against LC maybe we’re going down the wrong path

You seem oddly concerned about an LC lynch.

Then one minute later:

My character is so fun to roleplay as that I don’t know how. LC can die but if the point of the game is complete our personal vendettas against LC maybe we’re going down the wrong path

Hmm, let’s spread the love
Vote
DDL

The more I think about it the more I don't like these posts. The attitudes are wrong.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

This was from page 2. Only 112 gave it some actual thought, that I saw.

My character is so fun to roleplay as that I don’t know how. LC can die but if the point of the game is complete our personal vendettas against LC maybe we’re going down the wrong path

Hmm, let’s spread the love
Vote
DDL

The more I think about it the more I don't like these posts. The attitudes are wrong.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

The first post seems way too serious about the early LC wagon, which was clearly a nothing wagon. It looks like he's trying to gain cred for stopping it. And he's hesitant about it too, using passive language like 'maybe we're going down the wrong path'. His second post is a forced excuse for voting someone random.

I know Tedxtr hates my #page2reads, but it was an awkward opening for Tony and nothing I've seen since has shown me the Tony I saw last game (where I correctly TRed him when no one else did). He may not post as much or make posts as long as others, but in my limited experience when he's town I can still see the townie thought process. His game so far feels like he's mimicking his style.

Tony saying he thought Alex Jones would be town read as a not-scum thing to say imo, especially since it came after me and nutella said the opposite

I actually kind of like this read. Hmm.

Except the fact he did after you two also means he maybe did it to be funny/contrarian, which would negate this read.

Too WIFOMy to change my mind.

Tony saying he thought Alex Jones would be town read as a not-scum thing to say imo, especially since it came after me and nutella said the opposite

I actually kind of like this read. Hmm.

Nanook's the one making it though, and I still suspect Tony could be with Nanook.

This is late in the day phase when he saw no one else is interested in Tony:

I've only got a few moments before I fall asleep and not enough time to properly read or respond to everything.

Clearly no appetite for Tony today, so someone summarise the cases on MP7, 112, and/or Nanook. (And/or any other potential wagons.) I have a sense of each but to varying extents.

I actually drifted off with my laptop still open. Too many games going on.

I'm just going to go back to [VOTE: TSP] aubergine and fall asleep now. Good night.

He made a few posts N1 talking about the wagons and then posted this (I think he's talking to Hyena):

Just for that I'm going to vote with you.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

@nutella can you tell me why you're so convinced about Tony? Or point me to where you explained it, if I've just missed it?

When he countered the idea that alex jones would necessarily be anti-town. Suggested to me that he has a town role that isn't obviously flavorfully "good" and definitely seemed like something scum would never say there in any situation.

Okay, just that then?

I get the thought process, but I don't agree it's something scum would never do. If he had been the first person to respond, yeah, but two others had just posted 'scum' and '3P'. There was an opening to say 'town', and it's an amusing and/or contrarian response that's well within Tony's wheelhouse IMO.

I need to ISO him too though, since - DDL may not believe this - I've been wrong on my D1 reads before.

This seems to me to be a lot of posts for such a short time. The questions is was he distancing, or trying to bus, or just thought Tony would be an easy civ to take out. Nobody joined him in his push day 1 and he went right back to pushing him day 2. I don't know how MR plays very well because he's new to me so I'm not sure which it is, I'll have to chew on it. Does anyone else have any thoughts?

This is a tough call. Does anyone have meta on scum vs. town Tony? I can't recall if it's been discussed.

My instinct at the time was to give Tony a good look, but looking at it again, I could see it as distancing.

[Tangrowth]

My POE is currently chuck/new MP/wilgy*

If there’s only one mafia in there and not both then I need to reconsider juliets and tony. I’m pretty much just accepting hyena as town, same with DDL (I honestly can’t remember why but I think I had a good reason, if I didn’t I’ll realize it later and correct accordingly, too tired to figure it out now). And jack, obviously. But we’ll cross the juliets/Tony bridge if/when we get there, basically not interested in them before the three I listed.



*a derp is enough to buy you a day, but it’s fairly easily faked if we’re being totally honest so it’s not enough to keep him out of POE after nutella flipped the wrong alignment.

Wait, why are you accepting Hyena as town?

[Tangrowth]

Ok, I'm not quite finished with @speedchuck but I'm stopping. I'm up to the Day 2 EOD. I made this long list of things he's said and some of my thoughts but basically it boils down to the only things I see that I really don't like are his early case on me which listed things that are part of my civ game (and anything he's said in follow-up that he thinks shows me to be bad) and I'm just not seeing the Nanook case. Other things that he's done are things I agreed with or at least thought were true at the time they were said. There are some exceptions but I don't think they are worthy of mentioning at this time. So anyway, I see no reason to post the list here.

I need to exercise and eat lunch and then I'll be back.

Fwiw, I wouldn't say that, but I would say they're NAI.

[Tangrowth]

Thanks for the answers, speed.

[speedchuck]

In addition to your regular vote, everyone has a secret vote for a second lynch. Knock the virus outta here. - Very swingy. Town lynches a second person with less info, but it's uncontrolled for mafia. Doubles town offensive power, reduces accuracy, requires coordination for scum not to just control it.
All players must post (at least slightly) within character. The show must go on! - completely useless and also doesn't really have a punishment lined up? Might inhibit town posting.
With one hour remaining, all players not in the top two in vote count are eliminated from lynch contention. Two enter, one will leave. - I have no idea whether this is townsided or not, but given the false dichotomy thing that is not valuable, I lean... maybe scum? Or null.
Tag Team Fighting: At the beginning of the day, all players are placed into BTSC randomly with one other person. Teams of two share a singular vote. - not sure how this works, but it might be hard for either side to use their votes at all.
Weapons Match: In the first 24 hours of the day, everyone must choose another player. That player's vote will be worth one more. - Mafia-sided, they can double their votes, town is uncoordinated.

Maybe I'm overstating things but I think all of these are either null or they are slightly scum-sided. Scum Tony could be getting town cred for claiming this role with nothing horrible in it (like insanifications for everyone) while also not helping town much.
OR
Tony is town and is struggling to come up with ideas.

My point is that I award no points for this role. But I don't detract any either. Thoughts?
Thoughts on my Tony ISO anyone?

[Tangrowth]

I wanted to repost Long Con's rainbow list right before he died. I don't know if the mafia would have waited this late to send in a kill (he posted at 5:18 pm) but I think we should keep it in mind just in case.

My rainbow looks something like this, but I don't see why it couldn't be anyone below the top three.... Me as Civ, Jack as mech cleared, Wilgy as derp cleared. Who else has done some convincing towny stuff that should be moved up to the greens?

Long Con
Jackofhearts2005
Dr. Wilgy
speedchuck
Dragon D. Luffy
M Plus 7
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hyena
TonyStarkPrime
juliets

What do you make of it, juliets?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

My POE is currently chuck/new MP/wilgy*

If there’s only one mafia in there and not both then I need to reconsider juliets and tony. I’m pretty much just accepting hyena as town, same with DDL (I honestly can’t remember why but I think I had a good reason, if I didn’t I’ll realize it later and correct accordingly, too tired to figure it out now). And jack, obviously. But we’ll cross the juliets/Tony bridge if/when we get there, basically not interested in them before the three I listed.



*a derp is enough to buy you a day, but it’s fairly easily faked if we’re being totally honest so it’s not enough to keep him out of POE after nutella flipped the wrong alignment.

Wait, why are you accepting Hyena as town?

Primarily him bargaining me over to radishes D1. It’s so much the opposite of his style when we played scum together last year, most players don’t change that drastically over the course of a year so I’m giving him a strong TR.

[juliets]

I wanted to repost Long Con's rainbow list right before he died. I don't know if the mafia would have waited this late to send in a kill (he posted at 5:18 pm) but I think we should keep it in mind just in case.

My rainbow looks something like this, but I don't see why it couldn't be anyone below the top three.... Me as Civ, Jack as mech cleared, Wilgy as derp cleared. Who else has done some convincing towny stuff that should be moved up to the greens?

Long Con
Jackofhearts2005
Dr. Wilgy
speedchuck
Dragon D. Luffy
M Plus 7
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hyena
TonyStarkPrime
juliets

What do you make of it, juliets?

At the time it struck me that it was another thing that made Tony look bad to me but I ISO'd Tony this morning and came away thinking he was not mafia.

On a slightly different subject [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] did you vote me without calling it in the thread? I went and looked at your ISO but didn't see where you voted. To everyone, it's very hard to put together vote order retrospectively if you don't call your vote in some way in the thread.

[Tangrowth]

Juliets I was hoping you’d bring up the disingenuous thing in the moment because I had a post prepped. I’ll answer quickly to that idea: a lot of us have developed a meta, purposely or accidentally, by which we look scummy in all of our games. If LC or me or Jack or whoever start giving off insane townie vibes after day 1 it’s either a fluke or a bad sign. And for players like Sloonei or Jay or dizzy or maybe MP, you can generally sort them by activity — they prove themselves as town. You operate differently — to me it seems you always act as a sort of stereotypical town. To someone like me, who acts less town as town, someone playing a stereotypically town role always seems disingenuous.

You know what is so ironic? That my behavior can be called "stereotypically town" and that it gets me suspected early in every single game. I have tried playing a little differently but then people say things like "Juliets is not asking enough questions, she must be scum". I guess what it's going to take is a style change that gets me lynched in a few games. Also maybe I will be less burned out after a game. I like Nanook's style, I think I'll try it my next game!

I think it's because people have trouble sorting you as a result. Like I personally feel like your tone, actions, etc. are pretty similar in my mind, so I can't just take your behavior being stereotypically town for granted.

[Tangrowth]

For those of you who say I'm in your POE, can you give me some bullet points on what you're seeing that you think is scummy? I haven't seen a case on me since all that stuff nutella was saying which was flat wrong.

And I'll ask a Sloonei/JJJ question: Why am I town?

POE doesn't necessarily mean you're scummy, it may mean that someone has no compelling reason to remove you from the POE (i.e., call you town).

[Tangrowth]

Spent some much needed time with family today, which is why I never came back. I’ll be around quite a bit tomorrow though.

Plus 7

Analysis of Juliets, Tony and Wilgy is most helpful.

I’d be loathe to lynch outside that POE plus you today.

Perfect, thanks for the mention. I’ll get right on it.

I’d like to see analysis on Speed as well. If you get around to it.

Sure thing!

[speedchuck]

I wanted to repost Long Con's rainbow list right before he died. I don't know if the mafia would have waited this late to send in a kill (he posted at 5:18 pm) but I think we should keep it in mind just in case.

My rainbow looks something like this, but I don't see why it couldn't be anyone below the top three.... Me as Civ, Jack as mech cleared, Wilgy as derp cleared. Who else has done some convincing towny stuff that should be moved up to the greens?

Long Con
Jackofhearts2005
Dr. Wilgy
speedchuck
Dragon D. Luffy
M Plus 7
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hyena
TonyStarkPrime
juliets

What do you make of it, juliets?

At the time it struck me that it was another thing that made Tony look bad to me but I ISO'd Tony this morning and came away thinking he was not mafia.

Would you mind taking a look at my ISO of him, and the comments therein?

[juliets]

I wanted to repost Long Con's rainbow list right before he died. I don't know if the mafia would have waited this late to send in a kill (he posted at 5:18 pm) but I think we should keep it in mind just in case.

My rainbow looks something like this, but I don't see why it couldn't be anyone below the top three.... Me as Civ, Jack as mech cleared, Wilgy as derp cleared. Who else has done some convincing towny stuff that should be moved up to the greens?

Long Con
Jackofhearts2005
Dr. Wilgy
speedchuck
Dragon D. Luffy
M Plus 7
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hyena
TonyStarkPrime
juliets

What do you make of it, juliets?

At the time it struck me that it was another thing that made Tony look bad to me but I ISO'd Tony this morning and came away thinking he was not mafia.

Would you mind taking a look at my ISO of him, and the comments therein?

Sure, I did read through it but let me take a closer look.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

I just read through @DrWilgy and this seems to be the only post with a lot of meat on it and it was Day 1.

Y'all talk too much lmao. Trying to catch up at the same time y'all threw another 10 pages at me.

DAY 1:
Effectively this is where I began my catch up.

@DrWilgy

I need you, friend. Let's generate some content. As soon as you get back in here, I want you to engage me specifically in your reads.

At a glace, I can't tell if I like Hyena or not. The play of 'watch them squirm and untangle the truth in the chaos' resonates with me, but ultimately comes from a selfish mindset. Not directly town or scum, but a selfish mindset does assist scum more.

Yo. Mr.Master Radishes is scum. The interactions with 112 was a super safe buddy.

Fuck it let’s kill nutella?

#BLESSED

Leanin baddie rn: Raddish, Hazelnut

I feel like everyone's townreading me. I don't feel like I've received any pressure from anyone today. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm attacked tonight and am dead N2.

You still feel like this?

I very much dislike Jule's d1 list

Spoiler: show

viewtopic.php?f=221&t=1876&start=700#p601775

There's probably scum in Jack/Wilgy. They're players who have posted but only leave blanks in my mind.

yeah

This is shady as hell Hazelnut

OH NO. OH FUCK. WE KILLED SIG POOR SIG. HE WILL BE MISSED... Now who wants to consume his corpse?

Day 1 read conclusions: MP good, TSP good, Nook good, Jules scares me, DDL's a cutiepatootie, and Mr Master Raddish and Hazelnut are bad.

NIGHT 1:
eh

DAY 2:

Now... Not really relating to day 2, but there's a wild world where if Mr Master Raddish isn't scum, then both Nutella and MP may be scum.

I'd like a general census on the feel of Hyena.

Also, at this point, I'm tired of catching up and have to get back to work. Someone directly engage with me as that'd likely put me in the game more effectively... Or make me into an easy mislynch to those dashing scummies who are both charming and brave enough to pull it off.

edit: Mother of Linki

He correctly nails MR as bad and incorrectly labels me and nutella as bad. He sees MP as good (true), TSP good and Nanook good. I am reading them good as well this morning. He is unsure about Hyena.

DrWilgy, in your post you print my list of sorting who I won't vote for and who I would lynch and say you very much don't like my list. Then you later say I scare you. I didn't notice these things when your post went up but can you tell me why you didn't like it and why I scared you? Also, who are you scum reading/likely to vote for today and why? There isn't a lot in your ISO to read you by.

Thanks for this, juliets.

I feel like it would help if I knew more about why Wilgy was making those reads he did there, especially as it pertains to MR.

[Tangrowth]

So, does anyone think their tag team buddy is scum?

I do not but my buddy appears to think I am.

My buddies are Hyena and speed, and I'm not really sure yet. I think I can trust at least one of them, especially because I'm not sure how much a Hyena/speed team makes sense off the top of my head, although I'd have to explore it specifically.

Actually once I get caught up I'll post a GTH reads list, then I'll do some ISOs and re-evaluate.

[Tangrowth]

And of course Tony's voting for me, too, lol

Tony placed a vote on me and joined Nutella on my wagon D1, but he never really talked about why. I thought it was very opportunistic at the time, and the only reason I didn't pursue it more was because Radish got shot sometime after and I got tied up with casing MP7 instead. What do you think about that Nanook? What do you think about him townreading me now and there being no progression in between?

That is potentially concerning, I'll have to take a look.