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I mean, hopping off/on a wagon at best last moment is always fishy
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sprityo wrote:I mean, hopping off/on a wagon at best [the] last moment is always fishy
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Re: MAD MAX: Night 1

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Well, that was a bad lynch but it's still preferable to a no lynch because it was unavoidable. I'll take responsibility for my vote but I really think Scotty could have done a better job of defending himself to be honest. He didn't address my objection to his Glorfindel vote at all and he handled his conflict with Epi like a baddie that had already given up and was going for planting false breadcrumbs would. Just my opinion.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:zebra, why did you go from thinking something I said was disingenuous to town reading me? Can you elaborate?
I still think that what you said was disingenuous, but the rest of your content looks town enough for me to overlook it for now.
Epignosis wrote:I changed my vote to sanmateo, by the way.
Could you elaborate on this if there's any concrete reasoning behind it? Particularly why it was less than twenty minutes before the lynch?
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To me there's no point in not being confident with a Day 1 vote. I don't do Day 1 policy lynches so I try to find whatever I can find. Confidence in my opinion helps me evaluate my decision and it sometimes helps back my suspect into a corner. I'd rather everyone be uber-confident with little to go on with their Day 1 votes than be waffly and on the fence so there's still not much to go on the following phase.
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Elo's Scotty vote and "self-preservation" was weird to me. Same thing with Epi's ultimately useless last second switcheroo where he jumped off of the Scotty train mere seconds before it crashed into a wall. I'd really like to see his explanation for his vote because right now it just rings as hollowly opportunistic.
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insertnamehere wrote:The two people who came out of Day 1 looking worse for me are Elo and Epi, those two lovebirds.

Elo's Scotty vote and "self-preservation" was weird to me. Same thing with Epi's ultimately useless last second switcheroo where he jumped off of the Scotty train mere seconds before it crashed into a wall. I'd really like to see his explanation for his vote because right now it just rings as hollowly opportunistic.
What's the opportunity?
The opportunity would be to deny responsibility for a mislynch by not having your final vote as a contribution to it.
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I thought I would have more to offer but most of that territory that I caught up with is well-covered. The only update for me as far as reads go (besides Scotty of course) is Epignosis. I don't read him as a baddie yet but removing his vote from Scotty near the end bumped him down from my civ reads.
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Re: MAD MAX: Night 1

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a2thezebra wrote:I thought I would have more to offer but most of that territory that I caught up with is well-covered. The only update for me as far as reads go (besides Scotty of course) is Epignosis. I don't read him as a baddie yet but removing his vote from Scotty near the end bumped him down from my civ reads.
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Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I thought I would have more to offer but most of that territory that I caught up with is well-covered. The only update for me as far as reads go (besides Scotty of course) is Epignosis. I don't read him as a baddie yet but removing his vote from Scotty near the end bumped him down from my civ reads.
Why?
The answer is literally one post above the one you're quoting. You won't have to dig too deep.
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Epignosis wrote:I changed my vote to sanmateo, by the way.
Could you elaborate on this if there's any concrete reasoning behind it? Particularly why it was less than twenty minutes before the lynch?
Less than two, really.
a2thezebra wrote:
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insertnamehere wrote:The two people who came out of Day 1 looking worse for me are Elo and Epi, those two lovebirds.

Elo's Scotty vote and "self-preservation" was weird to me. Same thing with Epi's ultimately useless last second switcheroo where he jumped off of the Scotty train mere seconds before it crashed into a wall. I'd really like to see his explanation for his vote because right now it just rings as hollowly opportunistic.
What's the opportunity?
The opportunity would be to deny responsibility for a mislynch by not having your final vote as a contribution to it.
I don't see the opportunity gained there.
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It's also in the post you are quoting actually. Jumping off a mislynch right before it happens is suspicious. No mental gymnastics can deny that.
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The child described in this bit is Epi right now:

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You can deconstruct any suspicion or accusation by saying that you don't see why it's suspicious even after the person elaborates on it infinitely. I don't have time for it.
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a2thezebra wrote:It's also in the post you are quoting actually. Jumping off a mislynch right before it happens is suspicious. No mental gymnastics can deny that.
So...I must have never anticipated anybody jumping on the fact that I jumped off Scotty at the last minute.

All so I can claim having no responsibility for his lynch.

Even though at the deadline I made it clear I had voted Scotty.

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Re: MAD MAX: Night 1

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a2thezebra wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I thought I would have more to offer but most of that territory that I caught up with is well-covered. The only update for me as far as reads go (besides Scotty of course) is Epignosis. I don't read him as a baddie yet but removing his vote from Scotty near the end bumped him down from my civ reads.
Why?
The answer is literally one post above the one you're quoting. You won't have to dig too deep.
I would be with you on this if Scotty flipped bad. I sat and kept refreshing waiting for the hammer to drop & lynch someone else after Epi switched his vote. But Scotty wasn't bad. And even with Epi switching his vote at the last minute, we're all smart folk, and would remember that Epi pushed the Scotty suspish fairly strongly. Scotty flipping civ made me feel better about Epi, not worse.
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Re: MAD MAX: Night 1

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Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:It's also in the post you are quoting actually. Jumping off a mislynch right before it happens is suspicious. No mental gymnastics can deny that.
So...I must have never anticipated anybody jumping on the fact that I jumped off Scotty at the last minute.

All so I can claim having no responsibility for his lynch.

Even though at the deadline I made it clear I had voted Scotty.

Got it.
Straight to misrepresenting my argument, classic. No, you still could and in fact would anticipate people jumping on you jumping off Scotty, and you would count on doing what you're doing now and brush it off by claiming there was nothing to gain from it, even though we all know you would be under more scrutiny for staying on the Scotty wagon because your content for the bulk of that phase pointed more towards a Rico vote. You also don't need to claim to having no responsibility for Scotty's lynch; it's just evident from your vote not being on it.
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Re: MAD MAX: Night 1

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S~V~S wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I thought I would have more to offer but most of that territory that I caught up with is well-covered. The only update for me as far as reads go (besides Scotty of course) is Epignosis. I don't read him as a baddie yet but removing his vote from Scotty near the end bumped him down from my civ reads.
Why?
The answer is literally one post above the one you're quoting. You won't have to dig too deep.
I would be with you on this if Scotty flipped bad. I sat and kept refreshing waiting for the hammer to drop & lynch someone else after Epi switched his vote. But Scotty wasn't bad. And even with Epi switching his vote at the last minute, we're all smart folk, and would remember that Epi pushed the Scotty suspish fairly strongly. Scotty flipping civ made me feel better about Epi, not worse.
That's utterly bizarre to me, if Scotty flipped bad I wouldn't be nearly as suspicious of Epi if he had changed his vote last-minute.
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Re: MAD MAX: Night 1

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a2thezebra wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:It's also in the post you are quoting actually. Jumping off a mislynch right before it happens is suspicious. No mental gymnastics can deny that.
So...I must have never anticipated anybody jumping on the fact that I jumped off Scotty at the last minute.

All so I can claim having no responsibility for his lynch.

Even though at the deadline I made it clear I had voted Scotty.

Got it.
Straight to misrepresenting my argument, classic. No, you still could and in fact would anticipate people jumping on you jumping off Scotty, and you would count on doing what you're doing now and brush it off by claiming there was nothing to gain from it, even though we all know you would be under more scrutiny for staying on the Scotty wagon because your content for the bulk of that phase pointed more towards a Rico vote. You also don't need to claim to having no responsibility for Scotty's lynch; it's just evident from your vote not being on it.
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Re: MAD MAX: Night 1

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Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:It's also in the post you are quoting actually. Jumping off a mislynch right before it happens is suspicious. No mental gymnastics can deny that.
So...I must have never anticipated anybody jumping on the fact that I jumped off Scotty at the last minute.

All so I can claim having no responsibility for his lynch.

Even though at the deadline I made it clear I had voted Scotty.

Got it.
Straight to misrepresenting my argument, classic. No, you still could and in fact would anticipate people jumping on you jumping off Scotty, and you would count on doing what you're doing now and brush it off by claiming there was nothing to gain from it, even though we all know you would be under more scrutiny for staying on the Scotty wagon because your content for the bulk of that phase pointed more towards a Rico vote. You also don't need to claim to having no responsibility for Scotty's lynch; it's just evident from your vote not being on it.
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As much of a captivating counter-argument as that is, I don't think you're really helping your case here.
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Epi, blink twice if your vote was forced. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to agree with Zebra that your pithy evasive non-answers are only making this one small thing into something more and more fishy.
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insertnamehere wrote:Epi, blink twice if your vote was forced. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to agree with Zebra that your pithy evasive non-answers are only making this one small thing into something more and more fishy.
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insertnamehere wrote:Epi, blink twice if your vote was forced. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to agree with Zebra that your pithy evasive non-answers are only making this one small thing into something more and more fishy.
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a2thezebra wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I thought I would have more to offer but most of that territory that I caught up with is well-covered. The only update for me as far as reads go (besides Scotty of course) is Epignosis. I don't read him as a baddie yet but removing his vote from Scotty near the end bumped him down from my civ reads.
Why?
The answer is literally one post above the one you're quoting. You won't have to dig too deep.
I would be with you on this if Scotty flipped bad. I sat and kept refreshing waiting for the hammer to drop & lynch someone else after Epi switched his vote. But Scotty wasn't bad. And even with Epi switching his vote at the last minute, we're all smart folk, and would remember that Epi pushed the Scotty suspish fairly strongly. Scotty flipping civ made me feel better about Epi, not worse.
That's utterly bizarre to me, if Scotty flipped bad I wouldn't be nearly as suspicious of Epi if he had changed his vote last-minute.
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Re: MAD MAX: Night 1

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insertnamehere wrote:Epi, blink twice if your vote was forced. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to agree with Zebra that your pithy evasive non-answers are only making this one small thing into something more and more fishy.
What do you mean by forced? On Day 1? With no public coercer role? :confused:
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S~V~S wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I thought I would have more to offer but most of that territory that I caught up with is well-covered. The only update for me as far as reads go (besides Scotty of course) is Epignosis. I don't read him as a baddie yet but removing his vote from Scotty near the end bumped him down from my civ reads.
Why?
The answer is literally one post above the one you're quoting. You won't have to dig too deep.
I would be with you on this if Scotty flipped bad. I sat and kept refreshing waiting for the hammer to drop & lynch someone else after Epi switched his vote. But Scotty wasn't bad. And even with Epi switching his vote at the last minute, we're all smart folk, and would remember that Epi pushed the Scotty suspish fairly strongly. Scotty flipping civ made me feel better about Epi, not worse.
That's utterly bizarre to me, if Scotty flipped bad I wouldn't be nearly as suspicious of Epi if he had changed his vote last-minute.
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Re: MAD MAX: Night 1

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Ricochet wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Epi, blink twice if your vote was forced. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to agree with Zebra that your pithy evasive non-answers are only making this one small thing into something more and more fishy.
What do you mean by forced? On Day 1? With no public coercer role? :confused:
Yeah, I highly doubt that vote was forced.
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I didn't care about Epi's vote at the time or after Scotty's flip. I agree though that he could be handling this criticism better.
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insertnamehere wrote:Epi, blink twice if your vote was forced. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to agree with Zebra that your pithy evasive non-answers are only making this one small thing into something more and more fishy.
What do you mean by forced? On Day 1? With no public coercer role? :confused:
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Ricochet wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Epi, blink twice if your vote was forced. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to agree with Zebra that your pithy evasive non-answers are only making this one small thing into something more and more fishy.
What do you mean by forced? On Day 1? With no public coercer role? :confused:
my thoughts exactly
I'm just trying to think of a possible reason why Epi would switch and vote for sanmateo, and I was considering some possible outside influence that'd explain why Epi doesn't want to even begin to give a concrete reason for his Day 1 vote.

Looking at the role list now, I don't see any vote manip type stuff. But then again, I myself learned during Red V. Blue to never underestimate G-Man's propensity for crazy secret game mechanics that screw me over big time.

Do I think Epi's vote was forced? No. But I thought it was a distant possibility, like I always do when someone makes a weird vote that they emphatically refuse to elaborate on.

Also, :biggrin: @ Rico showing up in the thread, after ignoring my criticism of his Mac-centered hurlyburly, to criticize me for not making sense.

Here's that post you didn't respond to, Rico. Just in case you didn't see it.
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A baddie Rico going after Mac seems way more likely to me. Manufacturing outrage over a previous game, while starting a bus against a civ in a way that'd be hard to backfire. Purely emotional plays are hard for civilians to dispute, even when they lynch a civ.
I didn't express any "outrage" at first. I expressed a policy lynch. Of course, I had to explain context, when inquired afterwards. :shrug:
And how can this so-called "outrage" be manufactured, if it's certified to stem from a past game?

Further down your phrase:
a) how would this lynch be against a civ? Do you know Mac to be a civ? Do you think that, at any point, I said lynch Mac no matter what he is?
b) how can one "bus" a civilian?
c) how would this be "hard" to backfire? Isn't it already backfiring?
Maybe my definition of a "policy lynch" is different than yours, but just voting Mac because "Fuck Mac" is less of a policy and more cattiness.

a) Mac has done absolutely nothing to form any impression one way or the other in my mind. To me, a Mac vote would be as productive as a BWT vote. Just throwing a dart and hoping it lands. Seeing as you started your case against Mac before you could even possibly get an actual legitimate read on him, I took that to mean that you wanted to lynch Mac just on the 4/19 chance that he's a baddie which automatically means that he'll NK you, because you know Mac well enough to predict his exact baddie game in every single instance. Apparently.
b) Maybe "bus" was the wrong term; sometimes all the insider lingo and jargon of mafia gets a bit screwy in my head. I meant starting a lynch train/wagon/party/turducken against a person you know is a civilian, but doing so in a way where it won't backfire against you once his alignment is revealed.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I didn't care about Epi's vote at the time or after Scotty's flip. I agree though that he could be handling this criticism better.
I'll expand.

His responses to INH and Zebra have been focused on whether or not his vote change was suspicious. He is contesting that it was suspicious. This strikes me as useless dialogue, because there are few scenarios which would facilitate Epignosis calling his own content suspicious. A more substantive and useful response would be to explain why he changed the vote. Elohcin asked him that question directly, and his answer was that he didn't know why he changed it; it just felt good.

I'd assert that even whimsical decisions in Mafia are motivated by something tangible. Epi: did you feel sanmateo specifically was an ideal vote? Was it more about getting off the Scotty wagon? Something else? Please explain your answer.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I didn't care about Epi's vote at the time or after Scotty's flip. I agree though that he could be handling this criticism better.
I'll expand.

His responses to INH and Zebra have been focused on whether or not his vote change was suspicious. He is contesting that it was suspicious. This strikes me as useless dialogue, because there are few scenarios which would facilitate Epignosis calling his own content suspicious. A more substantive and useful response would be to explain why he changed the vote. Elohcin asked him that question directly, and his answer was that he didn't know why he changed it; it just felt good.

I'd assert that even whimsical decisions in Mafia are motivated by something tangible. Epi: did you feel sanmateo specifically was an ideal vote? Was it more about getting off the Scotty wagon? Something else? Please explain your answer.
Nobody is an ideal vote Day 1.

Do you believe my last minute switch is an important topic going into Day 2?
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Epignosis wrote:Nobody is an ideal vote Day 1.

Do you believe my last minute switch is an important topic going into Day 2?
It's worth discussing. Scotty was the lynch, we know his alignment, and so anything relevant to Scotty is worth discussing.

You've still not answered the question. Your posts on this page have no function. You specifically elected to take your vote off of Scotty and then you placed it on sanmateo. You must have thus felt that sanmateo was "closer" to ideal than Scotty was as a voting option. Describe the thought process that took you there.
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insertnamehere wrote:Also, :biggrin: @ Rico showing up in the thread, after ignoring my criticism of his Mac-centered hurlyburly, to criticize me for not making sense.
Do the two topics need to be related? Is pointing out something in real time not admissable, unless I've covered everything in the past?

As for your reply pointed out, given its lateness in my time zone, I might have very well missed it indeed. Do you still want rebuttals on it?
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Epignosis wrote:Nobody is an ideal vote Day 1.

Do you believe my last minute switch is an important topic going into Day 2?
It's worth discussing. Scotty was the lynch, we know his alignment, and so anything relevant to Scotty is worth discussing.

You've still not answered the question. Your posts on this page have no function. You specifically elected to take your vote off of Scotty and then you placed it on sanmateo. You must have thus felt that sanmateo was "closer" to ideal than Scotty was as a voting option. Describe the thought process that took you there.
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Fifi Macafee held his head in his hands. Could anything else possibly go wrong today? First, a biker gang was harassing the town. Second, a trigger-happy office wasted a fellow MFP member. Third, none of his remaining officers were on the same page.

Sending everyone out solo for the night seemed like such a simple idea but it turned out to be a spectacular failure. Officers were using the wrong channels to call out to their partners, helping to reduce the chaos in the streets by exactly zero percent.

“Can any of you knuckleheads out there hear me?” he asked into his radio.

Nothing.

“Anybody at all?” he tried again.

Nothing.

“Tomorrow night I’m bringing beer,” Fifi grumbled.


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In the shadows of town, Toecutter smiled. This town seemed too big to take but the bronze were falling all over themselves to hand it to them. What a wonderful turn of events.

Johnny and Cundalini were carrying on and knocked over a trash can. The noise startled a man getting into his car across the street. When the man saw the bikers in the alley, he gasped and took off in his car. Toecutter put his arms out as if he would take both of his stooges by the throat but stopped within inches from their necks.

“Boys will be boys but boys need to be more careful,” he hissed at them. “Bubba,” he said, turning to his second in command. He nodded his head toward the street. Bubba smiled and walked to his motorcycle.

It only took a minute to catch up with the fleeing man. Bubba crept up on the rear of the car. Inside, sweat poured down the man’s face as he looked in the rear-view mirror. In an instant, he made a sharp correction, as he had been drifting into the opposing lane. Bubba stayed on him like a magnet.

Panicking, the man made a fatal error by heading toward the outskirts of town. Perhaps there would be refuge and a way to lose his pursuer out by the warehouses. After a series of last-second turns, the man thought he had lost the biker. He was wrong.

Bubba’s bike flew around the next corner and pulled alongside the driver’s side door. Poor Epignosis didn’t think to sideswipe his attacker. Those sort of sensible tactics never seem to come to mind when you’re afraid for your life.

Bubba pulled out his pistol and shot Epignosis in the side of the head. His body slumped forward and slid to the right as blood oozed from his temporal lobe. The motion of his body turned the wheel of the car, steering it toward a loading ramp for one of the abandoned warehouses.

It was a spectacular crash. The car flipped, rolled, and skid to a stop on its roof. Between the broken glass and his face scraping along the asphalt, Epi’s face was made unrecognizable. Thank God for license plates.

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That's not how you spell Ricochet.
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insertnamehere wrote:Also, :biggrin: @ Rico showing up in the thread, after ignoring my criticism of his Mac-centered hurlyburly, to criticize me for not making sense.
Do the two topics need to be related? Is pointing out something in real time not admissable, unless I've covered everything in the past?

As for your reply pointed out, given its lateness in my time zone, I might have very well missed it indeed. Do you still want rebuttals on it?
Yes, I would.

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Ricochet wrote:That's not how you spell Ricochet.
Add this to the list of questions, Rico:

Does the fact that you weren't instantly nightkilled make you slightly less gung-ho about getting Mac out?
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insertnamehere wrote:Yes, I would.
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insertnamehere wrote:Mac has done absolutely nothing to form any impression one way or the other in my mind. To me, a Mac vote would be as productive as a BWT vote. Just throwing a dart and hoping it lands. Seeing as you started your case against Mac before you could even possibly get an actual legitimate read on him...
Again, we're talking a policy lynch. Not forming impressions, not making a case. I feel we're talking different languages here, just like my conversations with a few others also went, back on D1.
insertnamehere wrote: ...I took that to mean that you wanted to lynch Mac just on the 4/19 chance that he's a baddie which automatically means that he'll NK you, because you know Mac well enough to predict his exact baddie game in every single instance. Apparently.
Not so much prediction, as the motto "Imma kill everyone I hate playing/facing against" sounding like something the player in question could operate under again. Preventing this doesn't mean certainty that he would do it; it would create certainty of there being 0% chance of him doing it.
insertnamehere wrote:b) ...I meant starting a lynch train/wagon/party/turducken against a person you know is a civilian, but doing so in a way where it won't backfire against you once his alignment is revealed.
I don't see this as a valid perspective, because mafia-me doing this, with full knowledge, to civ-Mac would set me up for any sort of backfiring, if it'd work out. I could not reasonably expect this gambit to go smoothly for mafia-me, ergo I wouldn't do it at all.
insertnamehere wrote:c) By backfire, I mean that in the scenario in which Rico = Bad, and Mac = Civ, after Rico lynches Mac, Rico can point to his personal motive for targeting him and shift the blame on other more ostensibly opportunistic parties. Making completely "personal" game moves is a good smokescreen and a nice way to avoid culpability.
This, on the other hand, is a theory/profiling that has some logic to it, so good job finding a possible angle.
insertnamehere wrote:Does the fact that you weren't instantly nightkilled make you slightly less gung-ho about getting Mac out?
IIRC, you were the only who labeled me as "sure kill N1" for what I've done, so you tell me. I'm not sure how to interpret the nightkill, because I don't view things as black and white as "mafia should normally do something about the Mac-Rico relation to seed thoughts into town's head afterwards".
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Curious to see what Zebra and INH have to say now that Epi was killed by mafia. And highly unlikely, in a speed game, that mafia would kill one of their own night 1. So....wanting responses there.
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LoRab wrote:Curious to see what Zebra and INH have to say now that Epi was killed by mafia. And highly unlikely, in a speed game, that mafia would kill one of their own night 1. So....wanting responses there.
I don't believe either me or Zebra called Epi mafia. We just wanted some kind of explanation for his D1 vote, and his pussyfooting around it was aggravating.

Plus, I already responded to his death here:
insertnamehere wrote:Epignosis went out like he played: frustratingly. RIP, and I wish you elected to answer a single question before you left this mortal coil. Guess it doesn't particularly matter now.
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You didn't explicitly accuse him, true. But you implied suspicion. And to say, yeah--i didn't really suspect him, and he was just frustrating, quite honestly, doesn't make you look all that good.
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Sloonei wrote:I have not seen a committed and engaged MP in a long long time, so I don't know quite how to read him at this time, but a few of his posts did have me scratching my chin a little.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, and I'm tentatively feeling good about zebra as well. Her willingness to throw a vote on Scotty for a perceived :eye: moment seemed natural and not forced.

Not feeling those bad vibes from anyone just yet, but I'm sure they will come. :feb:
Polar opposite response to mine. I see no reason why zebra throwing minimal-effort poo at Scotty on Day is a town-tell.
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My feelings about MP had nothing to do with whether or not he agreed with me. I was just making a note that his conclusion was opposite of mine. What I was suspicious of was his very abrupt town read on Zebra. I don't think zebra did anything to earn a town read, so I don't get why MP was so eager to slap a town read on her. It didn't seem totally genuine.
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Glad Epi is dead. I was gut feeling him as bad and this makes my life easier.

Someone tl;dr me for day/night 1.
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LoRab wrote:You didn't explicitly accuse him, true. But you implied suspicion. And to say, yeah--i didn't really suspect him, and he was just frustrating, quite honestly, doesn't make you look all that good.
So you believe they spent Night 1 accusing Epignosis and then killed him? What's the objective?
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Well I guess that takes care of my Epi suspicion.
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Voting Ricochet. If anyone's here, ask me questions and I'll ask you questions back. Let's generate some content. Deal?
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