The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:00 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:57 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:48 pm @Hyena you have said you want to resolve on of Elephant or vanity today. Is your thinking that one of them is w and the other t? I don't think they are both w because Elephant seemed genuinely upset by vanity's reaction to his post so I don't think they were distancing. Just want to get your thoughts -
Yes, I do /NOT/ think they are both w. It's not feeling that way at all.

agreed

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:00 pm**

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:56 pm Also since i haven't before i'll drop my flavor thing now cause why not it's all in the gif (Is pokemon not a spoiler).

Spoiler: show

You're... Pikachu? o:

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:01 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:00 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:48 pm @Hyena you have said you want to resolve on of Elephant or vanity today. Is your thinking that one of them is w and the other t? I don't think they are both w because Elephant seemed genuinely upset by vanity's reaction to his post so I don't think they were distancing. Just want to get your thoughts -
Scum can get genuinely upset at a partners post or treatment of them in thread. It’s maybe the easiest way to distance imo.
Ok, I don't know if I've ever seen that - real anger instead of fake anger - but it would certainly be a good distancing technique.

Are you seeing both Elephant and vanity as scum right now (I know your vote is on Elephant) or have you not seen enough yet to have that opinion? I'm really struggling with them, I exited the last day phase with a town lean on both.

There's an example of this in G8 of MU Champs. One of mine and Nanook's partners, IBA, got upset with Nanook at one point on D3, and started arguing with him in the thread. It convinced a lot of the players that they weren't partners.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:04 pm**

Well that's just IBA tho

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:04 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:00 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:48 pm @Hyena you have said you want to resolve on of Elephant or vanity today. Is your thinking that one of them is w and the other t? I don't think they are both w because Elephant seemed genuinely upset by vanity's reaction to his post so I don't think they were distancing. Just want to get your thoughts -
Scum can get genuinely upset at a partners post or treatment of them in thread. It’s maybe the easiest way to distance imo.
Ok, I don't know if I've ever seen that - real anger instead of fake anger - but it would certainly be a good distancing technique.

Are you seeing both Elephant and vanity as scum right now (I know your vote is on Elephant) or have you not seen enough yet to have that opinion? I'm really struggling with them, I exited the last day phase with a town lean on both.

Vanity is a scum lean from what I’ve seen of them, elephant I don’t really have a read on but I’m sheeping nutes.

My point is more that it’s possible than that I think it’s necessarily the case here.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:05 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:01 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:00 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:48 pm @Hyena you have said you want to resolve on of Elephant or vanity today. Is your thinking that one of them is w and the other t? I don't think they are both w because Elephant seemed genuinely upset by vanity's reaction to his post so I don't think they were distancing. Just want to get your thoughts -
Scum can get genuinely upset at a partners post or treatment of them in thread. It’s maybe the easiest way to distance imo.
Ok, I don't know if I've ever seen that - real anger instead of fake anger - but it would certainly be a good distancing technique.

Are you seeing both Elephant and vanity as scum right now (I know your vote is on Elephant) or have you not seen enough yet to have that opinion? I'm really struggling with them, I exited the last day phase with a town lean on both.
There's an example of this in G8 of MU Champs. One of mine and Nanook's partners, IBA, got upset with Nanook at one point on D3, and started arguing with him in the thread. It convinced a lot of the players that they weren't partners.

Lol, I would think that arguing among wolves would take place in the chat so I can see how it convinced people they weren't partners. Thanks for the example.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:05 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:04 pm Well that's just IBA tho

Tbf it’s not the first time I’ve shouted at a partner in thread lol

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:06 pm**

For me it's more that Elephant started up sowing doubt on vanity who was previously on most people's town lists iirc, and if they were teammates I don't know that he'd deliberately start a case on a partner who looked townie -- BUT maybe that's what he wants me to think lol.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:09 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:04 pm Well that's just IBA tho

lol

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:15 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:54 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:52 pm vanity trying too hard. Wolfy.

#page2reads
understandable have a nice day.

I decided to take a skim over Vanity's ISO since it's been a while since I've done so.

It's interesting that he was being accused of trying too hard very early D1 and now he is saying he isn't trying to play too hard. It almost seems like a readjustment to seem less scummy?

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:17 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:17 pm also 112 jumping onto me calling iaafr 3p was interesting

i didn't even necessarily believe it, and i was joking the post before. i just threw it out there sorta as a meme and uhhh... i don't know where i'm going with this. 112 bandwagoning onto it somewhat doesn't necessarily feel wolfy though. if something pinged them about iaafr then cool.

Hmmmmm...

This makes me wish 112 was here and not in the other group. They did something similar in Wildcards and I let it slide. She ended up being scum, lol.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:20 pm**

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:02 pm vanity
iaafr
hyena
mr
evenstar
nutella
jack
creature

all probably v's, would never lynch in here today

These set of reads he made D1 seems relatively unchanged? I'd probably have to reread to see what he thinks about Creature.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:21 pm**

Vanity Reads
Like most of his D0 but most of that isn't really alignment indicative so

D1
SO these are 6 minutes apart and he states his never lynch then mentions wanting to pick them apart which at the time is pretty close to EoD and I see this as a waste of time at that specific time but doesn't sound like it in the moment leaving a free disappearing act. He doesn't leave immediatly but lowers time spent in thread after this.

Spoiler: show

Next when we suggested the groups and Mac split us all up one of the first things vanity wanted to say about it was about a bad group 1 and later that group 4 is by the townest contradicting Tony (Confirmed town) conveniently he is group 4.

Spoiler: show

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:13 pm group 1 is like probably infested with wolves btw lol

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:17 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:16 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:14 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:13 pm group 1 is like probably infested with wolves btw lol
I think we should first rank groups from scummiest to towniest
4,1,5,3,2??
4 is your wolfiest group???

i think 4 is the towniest group. my only big question mark there is pawn, otherwise decent chance all of those are villas

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:05 pm Welcome to The Great Team Building Exercise of Inception Mafia

So firstly I'm not gonna force anyone to do this but it sounds like a fun idea so I'm gonna do it and if you like the idea then do it as well.

So, I just put the playerlist through random.org. I have created five random groups of six players. Your goal is to communicate only with the players inside of your group for ONE hour. Given where we're at with timezones I think coordinating it across all the players is probably impossible so make that hour whichever hour that you want. Hell if you want to just spend the rest of the day focused on these five players that's fine. Hell even if you just want to give them a cursory look to have some players to hone in on making reads on you can do that too. Basically it's just going to force people to look directly at a smaller set of players. This should help you read these people, perhaps find some townies to work with, hell maybe you'll make some friends even I don't fucking know.

Here are the lists;

Group 1 -
@Benson
@TonyStarkPrime
@Dragomir
@Quin
@Rej
@Lady LambdaDelta

Group 2 -

@MacDougall
@iaafr
@Dom
@Creature
@Long Con
@Trustworthy Liberal

Group 3 -

@112
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@nutella
@Epignosis
@DFaraday
@novaselinenever

Group 4 -

@Jackofhearts2005
@Spiny Creature
@sprityo
@Pawn Lelouch
@vanity.
@Hyena

Group 5 -

@Elephant
@juliets
@Michelle
@Evenstar
@Master Radishes
@Texas Cloverleaf

Knock yourselves out.

The rest makes me dislike Vanity but this here makes me consider Epi was the other wolf wagon D1 if vanity is wolf or at least is more likely to have been

Spoiler: show

Now gonna finish D2 see if anything is towny there (really hope the spoilers are set up right)

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:26 pm**

interesting TL, nice to see your thought process on those even if I don't really agree atm

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:28 pm**

Just a quick thought here [mention]Trustworthy Liberal[/mention], I don't know that someone who is scum would blatantly say "don't want my partner lynched".

The Bucs are on now (I live in Tampa for those of you who don't know) so I'll be afk for a while.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:29 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:26 pm interesting TL, nice to see your thought process on those even if I don't really agree atm

Yes I agree TL, glad to see your analysis.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:31 pm**

So, I'm a dumbass. I just realized that TLib's "townslip" was probably not actually a townslip, and that my logic behind it was bad.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:32 pm**

This gets it's own post cause of length

Vanity's Defense being that each point individually isn't scummy doesn't sit right with me missed this reply yesterday but yes most of the time people arn't caught on a single post of slip its over time which this is Don't agree with all facts against him BUT vanity's defense of this makes it honestly worst in my opinion.

Vanity if you read this i want you to defend yourself cause if your town i feel this push on you if from a wolf making elephant Vanity V/W in quite a few worlds now so the town needs to defend themselves and the wolf needs to be found would like it right the first time rather then waiting.

Spoiler: show

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:37 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:34 am I changed to the computer to do a proper multi-quote ISO. The takeaway:
- Vanity tunnels Juliets from the star, never re-evaluates
- vanity is quite self-conscious on how towny he's being
- vanity thinks Benson subtly shading him as a wolf, @Benson denies
- vanity stalls any initiative to introduce structured conversation
- vanity votes players pushing her: he votes me for suggesting that he could have engaged Jack instead of observing that no group talk was happeneing, and votes Michelle for pushing him over that unmotivated vote
- vanity's reads have very obvious strong player bias
- vanity attempts an in-thread ISO of Michelle
- vanity announces intent to "kill Drago" at -1:45, his reason on the actual vote is "don't want epi lynched"
- vanity establishes a D2 pool of suspects along his old, biased reads
- vanity skips a day
- Subjectively, vanity does not feel like the town!vanity from wildcards 1.

Actually, that's more than I remembered seeing. I'm less happy with this ISo than I am with Trustworthy Liberal's, because I can understand Trusrtworthy Liberal, but I do not understand this.

Spoiler: show
vanity. wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:45 pm juliet's play pings me as wolfy so far. thoughts?
vanity.'s second post starts a tunnel.

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:34 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:33 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:32 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:15 pm i'm probably going to get questions about my nanook read so i'll just explain that now

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:51 pm Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6
nanook instantly pushing lld in this post reads to me as "i've been burned by this person bad and i want to lynch them out of paranoia" to me. it's like a classic v thought process in my opinion. now, he has a good wolf game and i wouldn't take this to the grave, but i think it was enough to give him a townread, especially since no one else v read him.
I'm calling Vanity lock town for this post and, like, 5-10 of the posts he made before this one.
Vanity is the towniest town in this game, and I hope we're all in agreement on this.
...am i? am i just this easy of a read?

i feel like nothing i've done is outside of my wolfrange but... k.

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:37 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:23 pm Anyone else think it's a bit wolfy to have a BIG reads list this early? Is that standard for villa-Eva?

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:34 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:29 pm don't d1 Juliets, she's Towny in my book and she may get spewed town by an actual scumflip down the line
This is where I am. I think she has the type of playstyle that the wolves will target for a mislynch.
this is like shading me without wanting to actually confront me

i know you're think i'm wolfy, if you think i'm a wolf then just say it. the fact that you're not engaging me at all is worrisome.

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:39 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:36 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:34 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:33 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:32 pm

I'm calling Vanity lock town for this post and, like, 5-10 of the posts he made before this one.
Vanity is the towniest town in this game, and I hope we're all in agreement on this.
...am i? am i just this easy of a read?

i feel like nothing i've done is outside of my wolfrange but... k.
To be fair, I've not seen your scum game. But I read you in G7 (you died as I subbed in) and watched you in in WC1, and you play this game similarly to how I do. Everything I see from you so far has been so pure, IMO.

How would you describe your wolf range, then?
my wolf range, huh...

while i haven't wolfed on forum before, and this game is another non-turbo village game from me, because randing wolf is impossible for some reason, but i'm the powerwolf type. a lot of people that know me from dm wouldn't give v reads on me this early, because they know i can give compelling thoughts on the game as a wolf.

i'd post around the same as either alignment. if i'm in the thread, i'm posting. that's all there really is to it. if you think i'm pure, cool. i don't think you're a wolf at the moment, so i'm comfortable with this.

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:41 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:38 pm I'm not ok with vanity being consensus villager at this point. He's clean, yes; but almost too clean, if you know what I mean.
Call it gut-feels, but I'm giving him a soft FoS.
what are you talking about? you've literally made posts that soft reference me in talking about wolfy behavior. are you not realizing this or what?

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:49 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:41 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:38 pm I'm not ok with vanity being consensus villager at this point. He's clean, yes; but almost too clean, if you know what I mean.
Call it gut-feels, but I'm giving him a soft FoS.
what are you talking about? you've literally made posts that soft reference me in talking about wolfy behavior. are you not realizing this or what?
Lol I do realize that but those soft references didn't have you in mind. I was speaking fairly generally. By calling you clean I meant that your posts in a vacuum just look ostensibly villagery.

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:07 pm i don't particularly hate or love any of these wagons

this sucks....

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:53 pm sprityo's being towny and i remember thinking they were towny before hand despite the post about him worrying about being lynched

ughhhh

what do

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:55 pm also this whole thing regardung the charts is like useless

i don't want to shut it down but i really think it's not getting us anywhere

nutella and eva are still both towny to me

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:30 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:28 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:26 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:26 pmHowdy, all. o/
howdy, glad to see you here. how's it going?
Doing pretty good! You?
doin okay

kinda chilling, i'm townreading a lot of people and it's bad for me i think. plus i'm not really devoting that much time to this game anyways.

i want to vote off sprityo. considering a juliets vote or maybe tonystarkprime or something

trying to sort it out

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:34 pm [VOTE: 112] aubergine

let's pressure here actually

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:16 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:08 pm gonna try parsing hyena vs evenstar real quick

the fact that they're not finding each other is raising red flags but independently speaking i think both are very villagery
Oh this is an interesting point.

Idk if I trust you completely though. But I mostly agree with your do not lynch list at least.
that's fine, i haven't been overtly obvious villager with my spam-y posting at tbe moment but i'm trying when i can

you might've picked up on it, but if hyena and evenstar perceive their town games to be similar, and they're not finding each other, it's making me think something is there. though i understand any given game a disconnect can happen between 2 villas, as i've seen it before elsewhere

eva is definitely more in her chaos-posty archetype too but i don't want to touch her at all
"i haven't been overtly obvious villager with my spam-y posting at tbe moment but i'm trying when i can"

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:05 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:03 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:00 pm like eva, i understand that you find pawn to be right very often but...

why does pawn have to be right in this instance? and more importantly, why is pawn towny to you? and if pawn is a wolf, what does that mean for iaafr and mac's alignments?
Why are you pushing for associative reads? Isn't this too early into the game?
i'm not the one pushing for associative reads? eva is saying that pawn saying mac and iaafr are town, makes mac and iaafr town. i'm not the one that is making that association, eva is making it. hence why i'm questioning her.
I find this notable, because Evenstar had stated that Pawn would usually be correct in his reads independent of his alignment. MIchelle's question was well justified.

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:54 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:53 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:51 pm I still proposed that one where everybody mentions their top townread to discuss their takes on their top townreads reads

but idk doesn't feel right for this d1
My top townread is Vanity, and I liked the list of people he thought were villagers.
for what its worth he wasn't actually proposing us to do it now but alright
vanity actively stalls on iaafr's initiative.

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:07 pm reminder that we have like... 20 hours before eod

idk if there's gonna be ample time to set this thing up lol
vanity stalls on MacDougall's initiative.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:07 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:07 pm reminder that we have like... 20 hours before eod

idk if there's gonna be ample time to set this thing up lol
It's done, setup, just go for it.

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:08 pm whatever i guess 10-11 am and 1-2 pm eastern work best for me
vanity interprets Mac's initiative to require specific times, and then sets a schedule that is hard to match. By contrast, Juliets just set out to working and addressing her group as soon as she was online, because a forum is an asynchronous medium that does not require scheduling a date to get engaged. In comparison, vanity is stalling, and Juliets is not.

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:13 pm group 1 is like probably infested with wolves btw lol
vanity is not using teh groups for their intended purpose, and instead launches into a very different discussion that looks like it is engaging with teh groups, but is really just about wolf reads, but not even

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:41 pm guess i can entertain your ideas mac, not doing color coding tho

dark green:
hyena
creature
nutella
jack
mr
iaafr

light green:
sprityo
mac
epig
lld
spiny
benson

yellow:
nanook
texas
evenstar
pawn
elephant
rej
long con
drago
dom

orange:
dfaraday
tonystarkprime
juliets
112
quin
michelle
tlib

red:
nova
I have added color coding: orange and blue for playing in the Championship wildcards/finale or not, bold for everyone here.
vanity suggested the bottom 5 players for today's "box".

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:49 pm be back tomorrow at the times i said i'd be here (10 am - 11 am and 1 pm - 2 pm eastern and probably eod as well)

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:55 am oh shoot i forgot about the group thing uhhhh'

woops

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:29 pm if tlib tonystark juliets and 112 contain no wolves this game is gonna be hard as hell for me

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:17 pm apparently the group discussions aren't happening and i have absolutely nothing to say at the moment so i guess i'll just see you guys in like 3 hours for eod

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:49 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:38 pm You could've talked to Jack?
@vanity.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/cwF-o4haZ ... =34&end=49
sure? guess i'm not opposed. let's talk about, idk, the weather?

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:52 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:49 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:38 pm You could've talked to Jack?
https://www.youtube.com/embed/cwF-o4haZ ... =34&end=49
sure? guess i'm not opposed. let's talk about, idk, the weather?
I guess I got excited enough cutting that clip that I forgot you said you had nothing to say.
i'm not opposed to talking but the game just doesn't interest me at the moment

think i'm also reminded why i prefer shorter games over longer ones

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:04 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:02 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:59 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:54 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:45 pm honestly since i'm not really that invested in the game and most people think i'm a villa i'm just gonna lay low and sheep others

[VOTE: elephant] aubergine
they are in a wrong way thinking you are villager?
Sounds like an excuse to park a vote in a new wagon
what? i legit don't know what you're trying to say

if people think i'm a villager, then i don't want to get in the way of solving. i'm not going to be a cook this game. that's just how i'm going to play.
i don't want you to be a cook i want you to be villagery if you are villager. Sheeping others is not always villagery.
i've already been villagery

get off my case

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:13 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:12 pm kill Michelle she's not Towny
yeah i'd expect to have a townread on michelle at this point if she were a villa

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:17 pm okay whatever screw it

just gonna iso michelle and give thoughts

apparently you want me to be a cook. my playstyle normally is to be unapologetically town. so i'll be a cook
vanity then launches into a piecewise ISO in the thread that I've only ever seen done once, by a wolf.

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:17 pm i could kill drago here i think
112 was a scum lean for her in the reads, and Drago was not.

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:42 pm [VOTE: drago] aubergine

don't want epi lynched
vanity does not mention his earlier intent to vote Dragomir.

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:13 pm i'm not going to be here for much longer but i'm willing to do a small amount of solving while i'm present

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:17 pm tlib
elephant
juliets
long con
dfaraday

this is the list of suspects i'm working within today. get crackalackin.

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:20 pm i'll be around for 5 minutes. the wolf lynch + this spicy mechanic has revitalized my interest in the game

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:26 pm i'm peacing in 5 minutes

i have work tomorrow but i should be active after around 2 pm eastern

this is actually terrible.

i have honestly not read all of this, but what i have read, none of this is particularly wolfy in a vacuum. if it is, how?

it's like you have to push me and are struggling to come up with compelling reasons. c'mon dude.

(Again if spoilers break am sorry)

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:35 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:28 pm Just a quick thought here @Trustworthy Liberal, I don't know that someone who is scum would blatantly say "don't want my partner lynched".

The Bucs are on now (I live in Tampa for those of you who don't know) so I'll be afk for a while.

Fair on some points but at the same time if vanity was looking for a quick vote post that makes sense to say either way Epi isn't on our side of all this so until they do drop by we should be mainly focusing in the here and now.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:36 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:26 pm interesting TL, nice to see your thought process on those even if I don't really agree atm

Even if you don't agree hopefully atleast my thought process can help you come to your own conclusions

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:49 pm**

The thing about townslipping via innocent flavour-reveal questions... hadn't it previously been discussed in-thread at least once? Like, how much leeway do we give, who's not reading the whole thread, and is that in itself a scummy thing to do? Like, I haven't talked about it yet, maybe I'll bolster my townlook on Day 6 by asking again if we can reveal flavour?

We've literally known since the end of Day 1 that scum have flavourclaims, so I don't really understand why they are being discussed at all, nor why any credence should be lent to appearing innocent of something that's in the Rules and on every player's role card.

Is this a culture thing? Do people get townread for this kind of thing elsewhere? Do scum fake-townslip about flavour?

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:49 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:06 pm For me it's more that Elephant started up sowing doubt on vanity who was previously on most people's town lists iirc, and if they were teammates I don't know that he'd deliberately start a case on a partner who looked townie -- BUT maybe that's what he wants me to think lol.

This is a reasonable read imo, I’ll buy it

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:53 pm**

So by this then your not town vanity?

vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:59 pm every single time i've been a villager i've been townread in a decent rate. not an exception here.

I did find his more advance readings now to the Giant post not gonna quote cause i won't be able to find my way through this but alot of it seems angreyier then the rest of Vanity could be coming from a wolf that belifs they are on the chopping block or just an upset villager hard to tell. (Post #4103)

If this is true Vanity when you have time get you butt in here and look for a wolf at the very least you thoughts and reads can be used after your flip as town again if your a wolf go ahead and ignore this.

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This is a read alteast provided by Benson that vanity anwsered so far one is proven wrong and i know personally another is being the one on me again would like to hear if this has changed the reads on Elephant and Long con (i suppose also on myself).

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Looking back today for a post i didn't see this before but immediately Vanity mentions the Benson wanted me dead and won't surprised if he tries to push be based of Benson flip As i am easy mislynch bait alot of the time i wouldn't be surprised at them actually killing benson over say nutella for that exact reason thankfully i am here and ready to do work.

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Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:55 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:49 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:06 pm For me it's more that Elephant started up sowing doubt on vanity who was previously on most people's town lists iirc, and if they were teammates I don't know that he'd deliberately start a case on a partner who looked townie -- BUT maybe that's what he wants me to think lol.
This is a reasonable read imo, I’ll buy it

Since I’m buying that, can I sell you on a vanity vote instead? Granted I haven’t read most of the thread, but vanity has been scummier from what I have read.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:56 pm**

i messed up that first spoiler but its not that long so its fine making a snack and will be back

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:56 pm**

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine Also forgot to mention that i voted him

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:59 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:28 pm Just a quick thought here Trustworthy Liberal, I don't know that someone who is scum would blatantly say "don't want my partner lynched".

The Bucs are on now (I live in Tampa for those of you who don't know) so I'll be afk for a while.

Oh dang, I would’ve waved hi if I’d known, drove through Tampa earlier today.

Also disagree that scum won’t say “don’t want my partner killed,” but YMMV. I would remind that this is a game with a lot of different site styles involved so different meta expectations may be in play.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:02 pm**

[mention]juliets[/mention] You're in the orange section of my rainbow because your busywork data feed of votes, while obviously time-consuming, takes the place of analysis-time. This is easier to do for a wolf than faking real analysis. Also your reaction to vanity's criticism looked fake to me, an overdone bristly reaction to ward away suspicion.

The criticism in question is in the same flavour as mine - vanity called it "lazy" to literally copy Elephant's reads, and while I wouldn't use that word (because you'll slap me

), it's easier for scum to identify with someone else's reads than create their own. Again, I understand why you did it, but I certainly wouldn't expect you to play a one-dimensional scum game, so I give these pings credibility.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:20 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:33 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:32 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:05 pm [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine
[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine
[VOTE: vanity] aubergine
Mmm?
Yes.

[VOTE: vanity.] aubergine
I am joining the fun.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:28 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:31 pm So, I'm a dumbass. I just realized that TLib's "townslip" was probably not actually a townslip, and that my logic behind it was bad.

I thought you referred to him asking about the sanitized flip.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:33 pm**

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Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:25 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:02 pm @juliets You're in the orange section of my rainbow because your busywork data feed of votes, while obviously time-consuming, takes the place of analysis-time. This is easier to do for a wolf than faking real analysis. Also your reaction to vanity's criticism looked fake to me, an overdone bristly reaction to ward away suspicion.

The criticism in question is in the same flavour as mine - vanity called it "lazy" to literally copy Elephant's reads, and while I wouldn't use that word (because you'll slap me ), it's easier for scum to identify with someone else's reads than create their own. Again, I understand why you did it, but I certainly wouldn't expect you to play a one-dimensional scum game, so I give these pings credibility.

Thanks for responding -

I did the votes because I was trying to get to an answer to a question. That's just how I am - I'm known at work for that very behavior but I realize that's behavior you have no knowledge of. As an added benefit it helped me to see what was really going on at EOD with what appeared to me to be random voting. Others thanked me for doing it.

My reaction to vanity was not fake, far from it but I don't think there is any way to convince you of that so I won't try. When my turn comes to flip however I want you to remember that you saw genuine emotion from me in that moment. No hard feelings here.

I did not "copy" Elephants reads. Some of the things he said turned my head on vanity. When Benson asked me what caused me to flip on vanity I thought his question was "what did you find in that case that affected your read" because obviously I flipped because of some things Elephant pointed out. So, to answer the question I listed the things that hit me from Elephant's analysis. That's all I did - I did not select and copy Elephants case. I went line by line through it and picked the specific things that hit me. I don't see how this is any different from another player agreeing with a case that someone else made - it happens all the time.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:27 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:59 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:28 pm Just a quick thought here Trustworthy Liberal, I don't know that someone who is scum would blatantly say "don't want my partner lynched".

The Bucs are on now (I live in Tampa for those of you who don't know) so I'll be afk for a while.
Oh dang, I would’ve waved hi if I’d known, drove through Tampa earlier today.

Also disagree that scum won’t say “don’t want my partner killed,” but YMMV. I would remind that this is a game with a lot of different site styles involved so different meta expectations may be in play.

Yes good point there are many different styles in this game so what I think scum would never do isn't necessarily the case.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:07 pm**

I would like to hear some thoughts from [mention]Creature[/mention] and @[mention]Ty4on[/mention].

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:44 pm**

This thread is giving me the heebie jeebies - no one is talking. Generally I see that when the wolves are in control. I'm about to eat and otherwise reading through vanity again.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:47 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:44 pm This thread is giving me the heebie jeebies - no one is talking. Generally I see that when the wolves are in control. I'm about to eat and otherwise reading through vanity again.

i have been quite active here was hoping to see others around then got invited to a blood on the clocktower game just finshed that was fun

will start looking at i think Nova honestly they were lynched on the other side which is curious meaning the other side distrusted them to a degree but still confident in vanity dieing even more so if he doesn't come back and say stuff i honestly need to see a defense of some kind from him

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:01 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:07 pm I would like to hear some thoughts from @Creature and @@Ty4on.

You know after noticing this both seem to be hovering and not really pushing other cases makes me worry they might be floating scum but i can't be sure with them not even being here guess i can't really complain that much i've been pretty inactive as well but i am trying to make that extra effort ussaly not even this active.

(also this is post number 100 going into those triple digits lets go have a gif for that)

Another Monica Gif

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Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:02 pm**

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:47 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:44 pm This thread is giving me the heebie jeebies - no one is talking. Generally I see that when the wolves are in control. I'm about to eat and otherwise reading through vanity again.
i have been quite active here was hoping to see others around then got invited to a blood on the clocktower game just finshed that was fun

will start looking at i think Nova honestly they were lynched on the other side which is curious meaning the other side distrusted them to a degree but still confident in vanity dieing even more so if he doesn't come back and say stuff i honestly need to see a defense of some kind from him

Yes, I am quite anxious to see a response from vanity as well but I'm pretty sure he said earlier today he would not be around much. I do hope he comes on before I go to bed as I am not going to have much time tomorrow to look at people.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:03 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:07 pm I would like to hear some thoughts from @Creature and @@Ty4on.

Nothing I can really be useful about

Just self-deprecation and nonself-deprecation

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:04 pm**

I bow down to you, Lord Nutella

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:04 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:04 pm I bow down to you, Lord Nutella

??

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:07 pm**

You have outspammed me

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:14 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:03 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:07 pm I would like to hear some thoughts from @Creature and @@Ty4on.
Nothing I can really be useful about

Just self-deprecation and nonself-deprecation

I have to stop reading Creature’s avatar as nutella’s and vice versa

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:16 pm**

Ty4on wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:14 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:03 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:07 pm I would like to hear some thoughts from @Creature and @@Ty4on.
Nothing I can really be useful about

Just self-deprecation and nonself-deprecation
I have to stop reading Creature’s avatar as nutella’s and vice versa

I have no idea how can you confuse nutella's avatar with mine.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:16 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:07 pm You have outspammed me

The more the merrier. Imma assume you’re not busy anymore?

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:16 pm**

idk, it's 10:16 PM and I have to get up early tomorrow

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:17 pm**

On the other hand I'm fairly angry

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:17 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:16 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:14 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:03 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:07 pm I would like to hear some thoughts from @Creature and @@Ty4on.
Nothing I can really be useful about

Just self-deprecation and nonself-deprecation
I have to stop reading Creature’s avatar as nutella’s and vice versa
I have no idea how can you confuse nutella's avatar with mine.

I just see a very similar shade of green in my peripheral vision. I skim avatars reading forums and did the same reading some of early D2 stuff.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:19 pm**

Yep, just got that I scored 32/45 and 29/45 at a national exam

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:19 pm**

Ty4on wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:17 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:16 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:14 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:03 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:07 pm I would like to hear some thoughts from @Creature and @@Ty4on.
Nothing I can really be useful about

Just self-deprecation and nonself-deprecation
I have to stop reading Creature’s avatar as nutella’s and vice versa
I have no idea how can you confuse nutella's avatar with mine.
I just see a very similar shade of green in my peripheral vision. I skim avatars reading forums and did the same reading some of early D2 stuff.

nutella's avatar looks more white to me?

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