Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 7]

[sanmateo]

the timing of bwt's vote completely put me off considering voting for bass. even if they did express suspicion of bass before, it feels like something is happening imo. gonna vote for mp07 now for the reasons i explained before.

[fingersplints]

First off, I did not "no u" BR as I made my suspicion first. After that she then said she was watching me. Not that she was suspicious. Just watching. How the fuck is that "100% no u"
Her response did not satisfy me because it was basically a play for emotion like when she said something about how she thought I would know her better. This is something I would expect of baddie BR. Plus I now think she didn't mean to defend MP, so said she didn't, and then now she did and is backtracking.

I'll comment to the rest of MPs post later but I'm voting him now.
this feigned indignition has become pretty standard for MP. I can't give him a free pass again for this

[fingersplints]

And I called what you did a "no u" because you posted just alarm bells and no reason. It read to me like you were leaving it open so others could jump in on that and provide you with a reason to suspect me. It feels completely fabricated

[Tangrowth]

I expect an apology if you lynch me this Day.

This was not feigned, nothing was fabricated. I don't understand how you say it's "standard". I pull it off one game infamously and now it's standard?

I'm really upset about this because I didn't want to get mad. This is a new game and I'm representing The Syndicate to a bunch of new players this game and I wanted to play my best. I feel I have played my best. I just can't believe you can't put yourself in my shoes and see how ridiculous Epig's accusation is and the fact that he actually is convincing people of it is beyond me.

I just can't believe this.

[Golden]

Third, and most importantly, Roger Rabbit I relied heavily on RL as a last resort defense against an onslaught of accusations, never prompted. Here, I responded to something you said, and you inquired why it took me 20 minutes to respond. I therefore asked your question, which inevitably relied on RL, to provide context. I'm not relying on RL aggressively as a defense. These are two completely different circumstances that I can't believe you don't recognize. Either you recognize it and you're trying to get me riled up or you don't recognize it and you're trying to get an easy lynch out of me, which every regular on this site knows could happen.

This is exactly how I read epi's line of questioning. I know MP has used emotional blackmail against people in the recent past.

And, it's not getting any better this morning.

I feel I need to hold my vote for now, but Epi is certainly my preferred vote.

[Golden]

That didn't read right. I meant "I know MP has used emotional blackmail in the recent past, and I still don't think Epi's line of questioning was sincere or useful."

[Tangrowth]

As for the rest of your post, splints, if I did mess up the order of you suspecting BR first, then my apologies. It's possible I mixed that up, and I am going back to look now.

I look forward to you addressing the rest of the points.

I already explained why I posted what I did. Did you ignore it or what?

[Tangrowth]

Fine, if this is the price I have to pay because I've pulled off emotional gambits before, so be it. I've pulled practically every kind of baddie gambit imaginable because of my ridiculous propensity to get baddie roles, so I can't say I don't deserve it. But I'd rather not die Day 1 again because people fear me.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm back. First things first, imma answers Epi's last wall of text, as well as a few other posts directed at me.

And if there's any post I've missed, then tell me. There's been a shitload of posts since I last logged in and I may not remember everything.

Ah, no.

I am not arguing grammar with you (and your English appears quite capable to me). I am arguing over the content of your posts. You said I made "sharp accusations." That means you observed more than one. I have only had one. You attributed my "sharp accusations" to how I play (which you don't know), which implies I am gunning for you just because this is what tickles my fancy.

I don't know how you play, which means I have to guess and extrapolate to something. I know you had only accused me till that point, but what you said gave me the impression as someone who makes fewer, but sharper posts, so I went for that. I don't know the metas of almost anyone, but I'm trying my best to get to know them.

And my analysis of you isn't intended as a means to dismiss your arguments against me. It is meant for me to analyse your town/mafia status. That whole analysis post was made so I could show my read on others, not defend myself from others' reads of me. I'm trying to separate those things.

Without looking this up, I feel like I should win the award for getting people's attention on you, not sanmateo.

I meant attention on himself, not on me.

Though this seems to have reversed lately. Probably because sanmateo finally started posting about things other than me.

I don't think you've been calling people "scummy" left and right. I think you've been downright blendy. Posting a lot, but saying little. And yes, planting outs for yourself.

Well, if you think my posts say little, then there's nothing I can do. I'm saying what I have to say. Now, posting a lot is something I always do in those games, I'm not afraid of saying everything that comes to my mind even if I think it has a low chance of being useful. Imo, more information is always better.

As for the outs, I guess it's just how my style is. I've been spending the last few hours thinking about that, and I think it's because of a few things:

First I'm an analytical person. I like to consider every possibility when I say something, and I like to mention every possibility because I don't want to leave room for mafia to do something I don't expect them to do. So if I say I think someone is town for a reason, I'll also mention the possibility that they are faking it or something else, because I don't want people to miss that possibility and trust my read 100% (and I want to remind myself not to do that either).

Second, I'm a person who feels very bad about offending others. Doesn't mean I never offend others, but when I do I tend to feel bad about myself almost immediately, and I will avoid doing it if I can. So when I accuse someone, there's always a voice in my head telling me that I may be offending the guy, and that I should probably leave a comment to show that I'm also considering the possibility of them being town. You may think that as a bad thing in mafia if you want, but that's just how I am. It doesn't stop me from accusing people when I think it's necessary, though.

Well this is starting to look like some kind of therapy. I think we got to the point where either you believe that's how my style is, or you don't. There isn't much I can do to prove it.

But you're in a new environment. It doesn't make sense to announce what you're trying to do if you want genuine reactions. Wouldn't it make more sense to just do it and see what happens?

I will get reactions one way or another. If I don't, I might as well accuse people of trying to avoid my questions. And if the reactions are not genuine, then it's my job to notice that. I don't think hiding the fact that I'm trying to get reactions is really useful. It's not like it's a really original strategy in mafia, everybody does it.

Dragon D. Luffy -- (#1, #2 no change) -- As before, I still think he is genuine, but I'm certainly not discounting the possibility of him being mafia. That said, I'm almost getting ready to drop him, since I am seeing a bit of what sanmateo said regarding him coming up with what he needs to say after people have asked him to. For example, I asked him to name a top suspect and he said Golden, but before he had previously expressed no top suspect. That's a minor point, though, and it's possible he noted my request and picked one with a gun to his head, so... I still feel the same way about him at the moment. He still is contributing in a way that seems genuine and reasonable, but I don't feel solid about it to move him up to even "moderate" yet. So while I have been firm in this, I want to stress that.

can you link me to the post where you case golden? because your read list has him as town. if you can do it without insulting or saying im shit at mafia it'd be better but either way is ok

I started building my case here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p143155

When I thought he was mildly slighly suspicious.

Then he posted more, and I started arguing with him. As shown here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 80#p143320

And in the subsequent posts. Until he eventually became my main suspect. I did a few rereads of his posts in the meantime. I also spent some time thinking about Turnip's coments on his meta, so I also tried to analyse his posts based on what he implied his meta was, and his answers made him more suspicious to me. I'll elaborate more about him in a while.

Also, sanmateo, I'd like to apologize if I offended you. I was angry at you at that time because I was not being understood like I wanted to, but maybe I was the one who should have made myself more clear. Sorry.

That said, I think you were being too emotional in your play, like you were reading my posts from the viewpoint of someone who was angry at me and was already sure I was mafia. There was a post where I didn't even accuse you, but you went ahead and called me omgus on it. Imo I think you should cool down a little. Let's keep things more civil from now on.

[Tangrowth]

Golden, do you believe that because Epi is being manipulative it necessarily makes him bad?

What do you think of my observations regarding splints? Am I off base in your opinion here or what?

Linki w/ DDL: Let me read this in a bit, I need to get back to coding, but since apparently I am possibly going to die, I'll inevitably keep popping in and out of the thread, even though I preferred to wait closer to the deadline (I can't help myself anyway). I'm curious what you think regarding splints and everyone else as well.

[Golden]

I want to vote either DDL or MP at this juncture.

However, I would like to know

what the other players are thinking about these two.

I think you shanked MP.

I actually think he could be bad, but I'm not going to vote for him after that. I think I'll likely vote for you, your attitude reminds me a lot of the way you took to Blindfaeth in keeler.

RL stuff should be off limits as far as gameplay goes.

I don't understand. You think MP is bad but won't vote for him because Epi called him a liar?

And then that last quote there. I think I would be okay voting Golden or MP today.

This bothered me and pinged me a bit because you had BR's thing in there. Were you trying to make it seem like there was additional support against me?

But in any event, I explained later in the thread that I suspected both of them. It's possible to have contradictory thoughts, I'd have to be tunnel visioned to rule out the idea that MP could be bad just because I think epi is or vice versa. I don't think BOTH could be bad. But I think either could be.

Overnight, though, I'm feeling way better about MP.

linki - MP. Not 'necessarily', because others say 'thats just epi'. I just think it reminds me of keeler mafia.

So far, I have no real opinion on splints, but I do know that in the past I have sometimes suspected her of being bad when she is not because it looks like she might be blending on to other peoples cases. INFJ, the last game I played, I was so sure splints was bad and she wasn't, so I'm wary of myself running straight back there. Splints is one person I have a very hard time reading.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Just my two cents about the whole MP/Epi situation.

I don't like the whole strategy about calculating the person's real life response times. Because it's a WIFOM bait. You can't possibly prove whether they are telling the truth or not, you can't possibly estimate how long they take to do their personal things. And heck, even if they are lying about it, you can't possibly prove why. Maybe he just didn't feel like answering your posts at the time? Sometimes I look into a game thread, see a long ass wall of text directed at me, and I'm just to lazy to reply it at the time. I agree with the opinion that RL is off-limits. It's something outside of the game, and you can't analyse it like you analyse in-game posts, there are just too many variables. I'm not even reading the MP vs Epi posts anymore because the whole argument seems pointless.

That said, I still have a neutral opinion on MP, maybe somewhat leaning to the scum side. I thought the way he defended me at the start felt somewhat forced, specially when he made his first rainbow list and put me on the top and the guy who was accusing me the most at the bottom. I'm just naturally suspicious of people who defend me too much. Which brings me to the interactions between him and JJJ. The two seem to be buddying a lot, and taking turns at defending me while accusing the ones who attack me. I honestly appreciate your support, but I can't help but feel like it's forced sometimes. This post is one that specially irks me:

You act as though I haven't been defending him constantly.

you're right, you've defended him plenty. we can co-chair the defense of DDL committee.

The two of you also have each other pretty high on your rainbow lists (and you both have those!). I can't help but think at least one of you is a mafia player who is using the opportunity to gain the trust of two people (me, and the other one of you). I doubt both of you are mafia though, that would be a risky play.

[Epignosis]

I've caught people lying about real life more than once. They get offended when you call them out about because "how dare you" but oh well.

[Tangrowth]

Golden, I will admit there is no player I have read consistently well, and I have read splints incorrectly multiple times, so that is a caveat for my opinion on her as well. Nonetheless, despite my mistake on the NO U point with BR (sorry about that, splints, I double checked and I'm not sure how I messed that up), my other points still stand, and I don't feel any better about her. I know she hasn't had time to respond, but I would rather vote for her than Bass. I know I shouldn't, since she said she would more properly respond, but my gut is actually screaming at someone for the first time this game and it's really bothering me. The fact that she said you and TH were playing differently and it "bothered" her without giving any read, as well as saying a bunch of other stuff with no read backing is equally suspicious. And even though BR NO U'd her a bit, splints still doesn't give any substantiation for her read on BR, saying she thinks that a baddie BR would do a certain thing (which seems like an oversimplication in my opinion), all the while failing to provide reads on other players.

Consequently, let's call it a moderate mafia read, if I'm being fair. Still far from saying OMG SPLINTS IS BAD, but I feel more sure about her than I do about anyone else at the moment.

In addition, there's her conduct regarding me and Epi. Yes, I should have counted to 10 before posting and blowing up, again, I apologize. But the fact that splints voted for me and said

this feigned indignition has become pretty standard for MP. I can't give him a free pass again for this

is such a misrepresentation that I can't stand it. She has made no attempt to understand my position and call out Epi for the bullshit accusation he has thrown out. It doesn't matter what I've done before. We're playing THIS game. Right here. Not any other game. Not Roger Rabbit. Epi's accusation is bullshit. It essentially comes down to him fucking with me and saying he thinks I'm lying about something outside of the game. He's full of himself to an extreme and thinks he's right but he isn't, and people actually listen to him because he goes BARK BARK BARK I'M SO RIGHT without actually listening to what he's saying. I mean, just look at Elo's response to it, Epi actually got her completely second guessing her read on me just by aggressively pursuing me with bullshit.

[Tangrowth]

I've caught people lying about real life more than once. They get offended when you call them out about because "how dare you" but oh well.

But I just proved to you that I DON'T lie about real life. What is your deal?

Are you actually going to contribute to this game or continue to be full of yourself about some ridiculous accusation?

[Tangrowth]

By splints's argument, not only am I pulling an emotional gambit this game (which I'm NOT, despite me getting upset), but that apparently it has become "standard", and that I should be lynched for it.

[Golden]

People might forget that the context in Roger Rabbit was that you appeared publicly to be getting lynched, but knew that in fact I was getting lynched. So your little tantrum actually had the ability to look sincerely like you were upset at being lynched and have the benefit of helping you after you weren't.

There was a clear calculated purpose to it.

I have not forgotten.

[Sloonei]

what's EBWOP?
also i figured out how to do this

[Golden]

edit by way of post.

since we can't edit by way of edit.

[Tangrowth]

Just my two cents about the whole MP/Epi situation.

I don't like the whole strategy about calculating the person's real life response times. Because it's a WIFOM bait. You can't possibly prove whether they are telling the truth or not, you can't possibly estimate how long they take to do their personal things. And heck, even if they are lying about it, you can't possibly prove why. Maybe he just didn't feel like answering your posts at the time? Sometimes I look into a game thread, see a long ass wall of text directed at me, and I'm just to lazy to reply it at the time. I agree with the opinion that RL is off-limits. It's something outside of the game, and you can't analyse it like you analyse in-game posts, there are just too many variables. I'm not even reading the MP vs Epi posts anymore because the whole argument seems pointless.

That said, I still have a neutral opinion on MP, maybe somewhat leaning to the scum side. I thought the way he defended me at the start felt somewhat forced, specially when he made his first rainbow list and put me on the top and the guy who was accusing me the most at the bottom. I'm just naturally suspicious of people who defend me too much. Which brings me to the interactions between him and JJJ. The two seem to be buddying a lot, and taking turns at defending me while accusing the ones who attack me. I honestly appreciate your support, but I can't help but feel like it's forced sometimes. This post is one that specially irks me:

You act as though I haven't been defending him constantly.

you're right, you've defended him plenty. we can co-chair the defense of DDL committee.

The two of you also have each other pretty high on your rainbow lists (and you both have those!). I can't help but think at least one of you is a mafia player who is using the opportunity to gain the trust of two people (me, and the other one of you). I doubt both of you are mafia though, that would be a risky play.

So I read your post to prior to this and didn't have any comments, by the way. This is definitely Epi's "style" and I believe you wholeheartedly in your assessments of your own style.

I adapted the rainbow lists after playing Game #84 over on RYM with Jay, where we had BTSC (because we were masons, for those who don't use "BTSC"), and I really, really enjoyed the game, and I loved the rainbow list idea. It struck me as the perfect way to convey my thoughts transparently about all players and help me better track my own thoughts and feelings.

I am usually eye to eye with Jay, and we approach the game similarly, so I feel I can relate with him, and equally I'm incredibly excited to be playing his first game at The Syndicate, so that's what you're seeing.

I can't fault you for your feelings.

[Tangrowth]

People might forget that the context in Roger Rabbit was that you appeared publicly to be getting lynched, but knew that in fact I was getting lynched. So your little tantrum actually had the ability to look sincerely like you were upset at being lynched and have the benefit of helping you after you weren't.

There was a clear calculated purpose to it.

I have not forgotten.

THANK YOU!

Epi's adaptation of Roger Rabbit to this scenario makes zero sense. It almost makes negative sense.

[Epignosis]

Hey MP, saying things like "if you lynch me day 1, you're going to owe me an apology" to me, is just more emotional manipulation on your part. My entire point to these incredulous folk is that people do lie about real life. They seem to think people don't, and some of them find me suspicious for even suggesting it.

Asking me "Are you actually going to contribute to this game or continue to be full of yourself about some ridiculous accusation?" implies that me suspecting you isn't contributing. That, too, is emotionally manipulative, as it implies that I have done nothing to contribute.

[Tangrowth]

Hey MP, saying things like "if you lynch me day 1, you're going to owe me an apology" to me, is just more emotional manipulation on your part. My entire point to these incredulous folk is that people do lie about real life. They seem to think people don't, and some of them find me suspicious for even suggesting it.

Asking me "Are you actually going to contribute to this game or continue to be full of yourself about some ridiculous accusation?" implies that me suspecting you isn't contributing. That, too, is emotionally manipulative, as it implies that I have done nothing to contribute.

Then VOTE FOR ME. DO IT.

[Tangrowth]

is it possible to see the poll results before having submitted a vote? i see the "view results" button, but i don't wanna click it if it cancels my ability to vote -- it would on an RYM poll.

Stop being a coward!

Come on, Epi. Are you a pussy or what?

If you think I'm bad, fucking say it, stop beating around the bush.

[Marmot]

Hey MP, saying things like "if you lynch me day 1, you're going to owe me an apology" to me, is just more emotional manipulation on your part. My entire point to these incredulous folk is that people do lie about real life. They seem to think people don't, and some of them find me suspicious for even suggesting it.

Asking me "Are you actually going to contribute to this game or continue to be full of yourself about some ridiculous accusation?" implies that me suspecting you isn't contributing. That, too, is emotionally manipulative, as it implies that I have done nothing to contribute.

Then VOTE FOR ME. DO IT.

MovingPictures07, who are you going to vote for?

Linki: I think you're bad.

[Tangrowth]

Epi clearly understands what happened in Roger Rabbit because he fucking hosted it. He's been seriously messing with me this entire time and he's carefully crafting arguments the best way he can to ignore any valid counterpoints I have and instead try to make it seem as if I'm contradicting myself.

I'm inevitably going to say SOMETHING that's emotionally-fueled at some point in a game of deception, am I not, Epi? As much as I'd like to be the most logical robot at times, I'm not. I'm ashamed of my emotions. But I am an emotional person. This is NOT a comparison tow what I did in Roger Rabbit. Why aren't you calling out every single other statement made by everyone else that's emotionally-fueled?

[Tangrowth]

Hey MP, saying things like "if you lynch me day 1, you're going to owe me an apology" to me, is just more emotional manipulation on your part. My entire point to these incredulous folk is that people do lie about real life. They seem to think people don't, and some of them find me suspicious for even suggesting it.

Asking me "Are you actually going to contribute to this game or continue to be full of yourself about some ridiculous accusation?" implies that me suspecting you isn't contributing. That, too, is emotionally manipulative, as it implies that I have done nothing to contribute.

Then VOTE FOR ME. DO IT.

MovingPictures07, who are you going to vote for?

Linki: I think you're bad.

I already said this.

I want to vote these people in the following preference order:
1) Splints
2) Bass
3) Golden

My mind hasn't changed just yet.

[Tangrowth]

No one should ever listen to Epi ever again after this bullshit. I know I'm not. I am seriously going to ignore him.

[Tangrowth]

I am walking away again, I can just feel my blood fucking boil.

[Epignosis]

For some reason, this reminds me of Day 1 of The Hobbit:

Wow, just got home. This is so INSANELY upsetting to me I can't even express it in words. I was looking forward to this game SO much. Now I won't be able to likely even play a big game on my own site before I start my PhD program.

Apparently, I can't ever play without attracting a ton of suspicion to myself, so whatever.

[Marmot]

Jay, to add to what I said, not sure anyone in this game is an RDW type of player, but hopefully that answers your question. Having reviewed the players in this game, I feel I definitely answered your question most accurately in terms of the players who react most notably to early pressure.

I know you didn't ask, but it got me thinking. The Syndicate players who would probably be LEAST likely to react emotionally to pressure early on are: BWT, BR, Elo, and Epi.

BWT, BR, and Elo just seem as though they would be least emotionally reactive to an early suspicion of them, though I'm sure they would react, and Epi would most certainly react, and his reaction would be notable, but he would likely do so in a very measured manner, not an emotional one. I don't see Epi get cornered emotionally very often, even though he tends to receive a lot of heat for his unique style of playing.

Inevitably, this is all my opinion, but that goes without saying. I'm not sure whether others would agree or disagree with my assessments, but I think I've given the best responses.

I also love posting as much as I can. :P

And no problem!

Here is a list of players you made early on, of which you said are unlikely to react emotionally.

So, it is certainly possible.

[Tangrowth]

For some reason, this reminds me of Day 1 of The Hobbit:

Wow, just got home. This is so INSANELY upsetting to me I can't even express it in words. I was looking forward to this game SO much. Now I won't be able to likely even play a big game on my own site before I start my PhD program.

Apparently, I can't ever play without attracting a ton of suspicion to myself, so whatever.

"You're so full of what is right, you can't see what is true."

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Time to make a new analysis, on people I hadn't talked about before, plus a few players I wanna add something about:

acrosstheater: I said before she was pretty high on my scum list because of her low quality activity. Then she came and explained it was because of a mechanical reason, so I'm giving her a pass. I still think she is leaning slightly to the mafia side, specially because of the post where she says she's no good for D1 (feels like a cop out), but I wanna see more before I consider her as lynch material.

Black Rock: not much useful activity, but she seems to be the player who likes to comment on little contradictions and say useful things now and then. Not a very productive playstyle, but looks honest to me. Also seems to be having a real problem catching up and being online, so I gotta give her some pass. I wanna see more before making a read, so let's say I'm neutral.

finger: still a low poster. Seems to be tunneling a lot on BR and MP and not getting involved with others. Honestly I think she is dragging the whole "BT defending MP" issue too much. Not much scummy, but still a little scummy to me.

Roxy: seems to be a very nice person, eager to be nice to new players. Has low contribution overall. Said she didn't suspect Golden, but did not elaborate on why, which makes me curious. I think it's a null read for now, I'd like to see more of her posts.

bass: another player who talked a lot about MP (if MP is town, then I swear there must be a fabricated wagon on him because a lot of people are ONLY talking about him). Seems to be going back and forth between suspecting MP, then saying he isn't suspecting anyone. Seems afraid to show commitment. That's pretty scummy imo.

[Marmot]

I love that song! That's my favorite on that album.

[Tangrowth]

I love that song! That's my favorite on that album.

[Sloonei]

In defense of MP07 and all this "Real Life" silliness: He and I were scum partners in the most recent game on RYM like a week before this one, and he had to bail on that game after a couple days because he was too busy outside to really commit to the game and he was very apologetic. So I believe anything he says about distractions IRL right now. It's not like he would need to make anything up, and none of this business will factor into my read of him in the slightest.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I clicked MP's individual post list in the first page so I could analyse his posts. There were 5 pages of posts. I said "no fucking way" and closed the tab. Imma try do this again some other time.

[Sloonei]

edit by way of post.

since we can't edit by way of edit.

thanks, i will probably need to make use of this many times before the game is done

[Dragon D. Luffy]

In defense of MP07 and all this "Real Life" silliness: He and I were scum partners in the most recent game on RYM like a week before this one, and he had to bail on that game after a couple days because he was too busy outside to really commit to the game and he was very apologetic. So I believe anything he says about distractions IRL right now. It's not like he would need to make anything up, and none of this business will factor into my read of him in the slightest.

I can personally atest that MP has had a lot of trouble being active in mafia lately. I hosted a game on Naruto Forums a while ago and he asked me to replace him on D2, plus he had mentioned before that he is really busy lately.

[Marmot]

In fact, I'm going to listen to that album now, just for you Alex.

Bass_the_Clever, what are your thoughts or reads on the six new players in this game? I have not seen you mention any of them yet. The same question stands for Black Rock and fingersplints.

[Sloonei]

At this point I'm leaning heavily toward casting a vote for Bass. I certainly feel stronger about his case than either of the ones against MovingPictures or Golden. I'll continue holding on to my vote in case anything wild starts happening in the day's closing moments, but for now consider the post a placeholder.

Anything Bass has to say abot my case, or the cases put forth by others, would be top priority reading material right now.

[Marmot]

In defense of MP07 and all this "Real Life" silliness: He and I were scum partners in the most recent game on RYM like a week before this one, and he had to bail on that game after a couple days because he was too busy outside to really commit to the game and he was very apologetic. So I believe anything he says about distractions IRL right now. It's not like he would need to make anything up, and none of this business will factor into my read of him in the slightest.

I can personally atest that MP has had a lot of trouble being active in mafia lately. I hosted a game on Naruto Forums a while ago and he asked me to replace him on D2, plus he had mentioned before that he is really busy lately.

But like me, MovingPictures07 has an addiction to mafia, where if he has studying or other things to do, he will often out them off and play mafia instead.

Personally, I can't blame him for that...

[Marmot]

EBWOP: Put them off, not out them off.

[Sloonei]

In fact, I'm going to listen to that album now, just for you Alex.

Bass_the_Clever, what are your thoughts or reads on the six new players in this game? I have not seen you mention any of them yet. The same question stands for Black Rock and fingersplints.

do you have a read on me? my ego does not recall seeing itself in any of your posts.

[Marmot]

In fact, I'm going to listen to that album now, just for you Alex.

Bass_the_Clever, what are your thoughts or reads on the six new players in this game? I have not seen you mention any of them yet. The same question stands for Black Rock and fingersplints.

do you have a read on me? my ego does not recall seeing itself in any of your posts.

Nope.

I did a read over these three players posts, and they have not mentioned any of the six new players at all.

[Sloonei]

Do you think it's more likely they're scum just not sure what to say about us, or townies just not sure what to think about us?

[Marmot]

Do you think it's more likely they're scum just not sure what to say about us, or townies just not sure what to think about us?

I don't think it's indicative of any alignment. I just think they prefer familiarity, so there is a good chance they are not reading as deeply into any of the newer players posts as they are into some of the regulars here. I find I have to put more effort into reading the newer players, because I don't know your styles, and y'all are foreign to me (with the exception of Dragon D. Luffy and TinyBubbles). So, if this is the case, I don't think it is good for several players to ignore the existance of half a dozen other players.

[G-Man]

[Golden]

Why are people narrowing their votes to just me, bass or MP?

There is still the opportunity to take out someone else if you think they are bad.

[Marmot]

I'm so tired. Picture-posting is boring. Golden, Epignosis, and MovingPictures are waffling.

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