Battlestar Galactica Mafia - GAME OVER

[Epignosis]

ika, I'm not going to go back and forth with you about Silverwolf. I'd rather fix a dryer.

[Epignosis]

Actually Epi trying to discredit me reminds me of Turf Wars where he was bad and did that constantly.

You voted for me. Am I say, "Oh yes, please listen to Silverwolf! She's always right!"

Get out of here with that.

This is a further discredit. Nowhere did I imply, in any way, shape, or form that people should listen to me because I'm always right. I never once even came close to saying that.

Huh? You voted for me. Am I supposed to agree with your opinion?

[ika]

ika, I'm not going to go back and forth with you about Silverwolf. I'd rather fix a dryer.

then dont dsiscredit her like you are now. when you attack her vote only and not me nor mm it shows singling out and im gonna go after that.

[ika]

Actually Epi trying to discredit me reminds me of Turf Wars where he was bad and did that constantly.

You voted for me. Am I say, "Oh yes, please listen to Silverwolf! She's always right!"

Get out of here with that.

This is a further discredit. Nowhere did I imply, in any way, shape, or form that people should listen to me because I'm always right. I never once even came close to saying that.

Huh? You voted for me. Am I supposed to agree with your opinion?

seeing how shes more accurate then you? i would say yes :P

[LoRab]

Place holding post. Just back from a full morning at work and then mothers day-ing. I had a worried moment in my drive back home that I was going to miss the vote--glad it's much later!

[Epignosis]

ika, I'm not going to go back and forth with you about Silverwolf. I'd rather fix a dryer.

then dont dsiscredit her like you are now. when you attack her vote only and not me nor mm it shows singling out and im gonna go after that.

She's voted for me. Of course I'm going to discredit her. I'm not like you. I'm not going to say, "You guys should totally listen to Silverwolf, who voted for me!"

[indiglo]

The above posts has lots of emoticons.

Welcome to the dark side.

[Silverwolf]

Silverwolf, you cast an immutable vote against me on a day I was mostly unavailable, yet you are here now and could have saved your vote until this time to hear what I had to say. Why did you not do that?

why do you direct that at silver and not me or MM who did it at beginig of day?

Am I crazy or have you voted for Epig yet?

The conversation between the three of you lead me to believe you had voted, and yet you have not.

He voted the host option illegally, but voted me in the thread using red after Silverwolf voted me.

Oh. I missed that. So you have three votes?

Looks like it. MM because he's MM, Silverwolf because I wasn't home, and ika because SW voted me.

No, because you hadn't contributed anything and even when you were here, it was very underwhelming. I knew from Downtown Abby and Turf Wars that you are more active as town. So no, it's not just because you weren't around and I didn't know if you would be by EoD or if I would and didn't want to miss the vote; it's because you hadn't contributed much when you were here and you were away from the thread a lot otherwise. You did come around to say you were drained from the other game and gave some unexplained reads but that's not enough for me to read you as town.

[sig]

The above posts has lots of emoticons.

Welcome to the dark side.

lol

I remember bringing up that you used lots of smiles one game, which is very ironic in hindsight.

[sig]

But, wait Epi wasn't town in Turf War?

[Epignosis]

I'll be back. I'm not going to go back and forth with two people who voted for me because I wasn't home on Mothers Day.

[Epignosis]

Silverwolf, you cast an immutable vote against me on a day I was mostly unavailable, yet you are here now and could have saved your vote until this time to hear what I had to say. Why did you not do that?

why do you direct that at silver and not me or MM who did it at beginig of day?

Am I crazy or have you voted for Epig yet?

The conversation between the three of you lead me to believe you had voted, and yet you have not.

He voted the host option illegally, but voted me in the thread using red after Silverwolf voted me.

Oh. I missed that. So you have three votes?

Looks like it. MM because he's MM, Silverwolf because I wasn't home, and ika because SW voted me.

No, because you hadn't contributed anything and even when you were here, it was very underwhelming. I knew from Downtown Abby and Turf Wars that you are more active as town. So no, it's not just because you weren't around and I didn't know if you would be by EoD or if I would and didn't want to miss the vote; it's because you hadn't contributed much when you were here and you were away from the thread a lot otherwise. You did come around to say you were drained from the other game and gave some unexplained reads but that's not enough for me to read you as town.

[Ricochet]

I can stay no more. Going with S~V~S for the stronger read I got.

I think there are still a few people considerably suspecting me, that are set to return till EoD. Please do not mislynch me in my sleep. That is all I can say anymore at this point.

[Silverwolf]

But, wait Epi wasn't town in Turf War?

No, he was scum and less active that his town game, especially in the beginning. He also spent a large amount of time discrediting me as part of a pretty good scum strategy since it worked to a certain extent.

Now, I gotta go for a bit. I'll try to stop by again before EoD.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

linki: That is a good question LC regarding smiles, I've never thought about it for a meta thing. I guess I use them more as a civ? Also why would I indicate my own scummieness? That would be silly.

I was told once that pretty posts with lots of smileys and no typos were my big baddie tell. I cared about what I said more whne I was bad so I proofread it and dressed it up more.

I disagree with this, I think I pay equal attention to my posts (spelling wise) regardless of alignment, in fact I might be less likely to as mafia since I can meta defend myself. For smiles I like to use them and I think it is silly to try and put to much weight in whether it is a baddie tell or not.

Well, perhaps it is not the case in YOUR case, but it was in mine. She was right. So I stopped doing it. I was not saying it did apply to you, I was just saying that it is not unknown, since you said the concept was silly.

You might be surprised at how seemingly silly some tells can be.

I once got nailed for a baddie tell which revealed that I was much more likely to open a game with a joke as town than otherwise. /semi-OT

[Silverwolf]

Actually Epi trying to discredit me reminds me of Turf Wars where he was bad and did that constantly.

You voted for me. Am I say, "Oh yes, please listen to Silverwolf! She's always right!"

Get out of here with that.

This is a further discredit. Nowhere did I imply, in any way, shape, or form that people should listen to me because I'm always right. I never once even came close to saying that.

Huh? You voted for me. Am I supposed to agree with your opinion?

No, but you are misrepresenting my reasons for doing so. Repeatedly.

[Black Rock]

But, wait Epi wasn't town in Turf War?

No, he was scum and less active that his town game, especially in the beginning. He also spent a large amount of time discrediting me as part of a pretty good scum strategy since it worked to a certain extent.

Now, I gotta go for a bit. I'll try to stop by again before EoD.

I get what you are saying. Problem is that is pulling two recent games of his out of many. For those who have played with him a long time, it means nothing. He is active when he can and most of the time he is, bad or good, it doesn't matter. He is a good player to have around if he is good. Nothing about his game play, so far, would make me want to lynch him.

[Black Rock]

That second sentence is tough to read, sorry.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You can town read me JJJ.

I'd love to, sig. Inspire me. Make me feel that special feeling. Do you think you've provided something that might warrant a town read? I understand you cannot be cleared obviously, but perhaps you've said something that you think should be to your credit?

Well Okay.


JJJ I love you, you're my everything, I just wanna run away and live with you forever in a golden palace. I'll buy you flowers and chocolate I'd walk a 1000 miles across the plains of Mordor without any shoes or socks just to see your smile one more time. I'd rip out someones heart and present it to you on a golden platter of ivory tusks.


How did I do? Did I give you that special feeling? Will you town read me now? If not I'm so pinning that murder where I ripped someone's heart out on you.

:P


linki:

:P

I award you no town read, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[indiglo]

At this time, I need to make a vote and since I'm not sold on any one person and its day 1, im going with the most suspicious low poster, and that is DFaraday. He has given no other reason for being absent and has given nothing to the thread.

Voting DFaraday.

My reason is I'm currently in 3 games and this game is already longer than a Dostoevsky novel.

From what I've read on this last page (the only one I've read since I last posted), I should point out that BR has low posted as a civ before. I'm not sure where Zebra is getting that idea.

In my (somewhat limited) experience playing with BR - she's always a low poster.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll be back. I'm not going to go back and forth with two people who voted for me because I wasn't home on Mothers Day.

You're being accused of discrediting Silverwolf not merely because she voted for you, but because you're presenting her reason for voting for you as this. It's untrue. If she's wrong, then there's probably a way to convey that which doesn't reduce her accusations to just this blatant silliness. Essentially, you're suggesting that Silverwolf's vote was hardly motivated more by relevant thought than MM's was.

[Epignosis]

Actually Epi trying to discredit me reminds me of Turf Wars where he was bad and did that constantly.

You voted for me. Am I say, "Oh yes, please listen to Silverwolf! She's always right!"

Get out of here with that.

This is a further discredit. Nowhere did I imply, in any way, shape, or form that people should listen to me because I'm always right. I never once even came close to saying that.

Huh? You voted for me. Am I supposed to agree with your opinion?

No, but you are misrepresenting my reasons for doing so. Repeatedly.

How am I misrepresenting your reason? You voted me because I'm not contributing...but I wasn't home. Please don't say I'm misrepresenting you if you're not going to tell me how.

Silverwolf, you cast an immutable vote against me on a day I was mostly unavailable, yet you are here now and could have saved your vote until this time to hear what I had to say. Why did you not do that?

why do you direct that at silver and not me or MM who did it at beginig of day?

Am I crazy or have you voted for Epig yet?

The conversation between the three of you lead me to believe you had voted, and yet you have not.

He voted the host option illegally, but voted me in the thread using red after Silverwolf voted me.

Oh. I missed that. So you have three votes?

Looks like it. MM because he's MM, Silverwolf because I wasn't home, and ika because SW voted me.

No, because you hadn't contributed anything and even when you were here, it was very underwhelming. I knew from Downtown Abby and Turf Wars that you are more active as town. So no, it's not just because you weren't around and I didn't know if you would be by EoD or if I would and didn't want to miss the vote; it's because you hadn't contributed much when you were here and you were away from the thread a lot otherwise. You did come around to say you were drained from the other game and gave some unexplained reads but that's not enough for me to read you as town.

I'm going to harp on this. Silverwolf acts like she knows what I do when I'm good or bad. She just said I'm more active when I'm good, and cited Downton Abbey (I was good) and Turf Wars (I was bad) as evidence of this claim.

That's a bad enough discrepancy, but there's more: In Turf Wars, Silverwolf only started suspecting me when I intentionally tried to discredit her opinion of ika (who was my teammate). She did not suspect me for my level of activity.

[Silverwolf]

But, wait Epi wasn't town in Turf War?

No, he was scum and less active that his town game, especially in the beginning. He also spent a large amount of time discrediting me as part of a pretty good scum strategy since it worked to a certain extent.

Now, I gotta go for a bit. I'll try to stop by again before EoD.

I get what you are saying. Problem is that is pulling two recent games of his out of many. For those who have played with him a long time, it means nothing. He is active when he can and most of the time he is, bad or good, it doesn't matter. He is a good player to have around if he is good. Nothing about his game play, so far, would make me want to lynch him.

Those games are the only experience I have with him. I rarely use meta in games I'm not in. That usually doesn't work well for me.

[Epignosis]

I'll be back. I'm not going to go back and forth with two people who voted for me because I wasn't home on Mothers Day.

You're being accused of discrediting Silverwolf not merely because she voted for you, but because you're presenting her reason for voting for you as this. It's untrue. If she's wrong, then there's probably a way to convey that which doesn't reduce her accusations to just this blatant silliness. Essentially, you're suggesting that Silverwolf's vote was hardly motivated more by relevant thought than MM's was.

If I was home and posting, would she have voted for me? I'm not saying she voted for me because I wasn't home. I'm saying she claims she's voting for me because I've not been active, which is true because I wasn't home.

[Epignosis]

Be back for real now.

[Silverwolf]

That's a bad enough discrepancy, but there's more: In Turf Wars, Silverwolf only started suspecting me when I intentionally tried to discredit her opinion of ika (who was my teammate). She did not suspect me for my level of activity.

It was your overall play in that game that made me suspect you. That's why you started discrediting me. You and I got in a heated argument exactly like this in Turf Wars where you were bad and I was good so I'm fine with my vote and wouldn't move it even if I could.

You could be spending your time giving reads and doing some analysis we can use if you are good but instead you are going after me like you did when you are bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll be back. I'm not going to go back and forth with two people who voted for me because I wasn't home on Mothers Day.

You're being accused of discrediting Silverwolf not merely because she voted for you, but because you're presenting her reason for voting for you as this. It's untrue. If she's wrong, then there's probably a way to convey that which doesn't reduce her accusations to just this blatant silliness. Essentially, you're suggesting that Silverwolf's vote was hardly motivated more by relevant thought than MM's was.

If I was home and posting, would she have voted for me? I'm not saying she voted for me because I wasn't home. I'm saying she claims she's voting for me because I've not been active, which is true because I wasn't home.

The absence of activity isn't the full-stop of the accusation. You weren't entirely absent from the game, you did make at least one brief appearance. Apparently the content you provided then was not satisfactory to prevent this conversation being fielded right now. She's also drawing comparisons to the other games she has played with you (whether validly or not). You've begun to address the latter point by contesting the accuracy of her perceived metas, but as far as I can see the former remains untouched.

I am unconvinced of your guilt, but not to a degree that would inspire me to jump to your defense. I'm trying to facilitate better dialogue in this discussion so that people other than ika, Silverwolf, and Epignosis can have a better chance to draw something out of it.

[Black Rock]

But, wait Epi wasn't town in Turf War?

No, he was scum and less active that his town game, especially in the beginning. He also spent a large amount of time discrediting me as part of a pretty good scum strategy since it worked to a certain extent.

Now, I gotta go for a bit. I'll try to stop by again before EoD.

I get what you are saying. Problem is that is pulling two recent games of his out of many. For those who have played with him a long time, it means nothing. He is active when he can and most of the time he is, bad or good, it doesn't matter. He is a good player to have around if he is good. Nothing about his game play, so far, would make me want to lynch him.

Those games are the only experience I have with him. I rarely use meta in games I'm not in. That usually doesn't work well for me.

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

[ika]

i like how epi tries to change the point on truf wars. it doesnt matter what she called you out for in thhat game, the corralation still stands

(was eating fyi)

[ika]

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Except that is the complete meta of BR. If Zebra thinks my meta really is I talk more as civ and not as baddie then I call bull shit. Especially day one. I can off handly say Zebras meta is to call me bad when's shes bad, it's happened at least two or three games.

Could you provide a couple examples (just by off-hand memory) for each of the following:

1. Black Rock is town and starts a game quietly

2. Zebra is a baddie and accuses Black Rock of being a baddie

[ika]

im gonna get a soda im gonna be poping back in and out

[Black Rock]

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

Hey, I'm not set Epig is town. It's day one. There's just not any reason for me to vote him.

I did miss your reason. You have way to many posts to look through. Can you help a lady out? It would be helpful to see all positions here.

[Black Rock]

Except that is the complete meta of BR. If Zebra thinks my meta really is I talk more as civ and not as baddie then I call bull shit. Especially day one. I can off handly say Zebras meta is to call me bad when's shes bad, it's happened at least two or three games.

Could you provide a couple examples (just by off-hand memory) for each of the following:

1. Black Rock is town and starts a game quietly

2. Zebra is a baddie and accuses Black Rock of being a baddie

1. Most of my games (bad or good)

2. The last game we played, we were both bad. LC was her teammate. I'll go look I guess.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

I think this is a valid point, because there is a growing list of examples of "I've known this player for years and trust my ability to read him/her" proving disastrously wrong in recent memory. If I limit it just to The Syndicate:

Talking Heads: Non-Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of Long Con. Syndicate regulars defend Long Con because they know him better. Long Con is mafia.
Talking Heads: Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of MacDougall. Non-Syndicate regulars defend MacDougall because they know him better. MacDougall is mafia.
Turf Wars: Newer Syndicateer is heavily suspicious of Epignosis. Syndicate regulars defend Epignosis because they know him better. Epignosis is mafia.
Scrimmage: Newer Syndicateer and visiting players are heavily suspicious of MovingPictures07. Syndicate regulars defend MovingPictures07 because they know him better. MovingPictures07 is mafia.

We need to learn from this trend.

[Polo]

im gonna get a soda im gonna be poping back in and out

Habemus Ika

[G-Man]

At home again but still busy. Sorry for being so nonparticipatory Day 1. I have to get caught up on the thead before voting. I'll address the concerns against me tomorrow when I'll have more time.

The last thing I saw was Rico voting for S~V~S. Wow. Even though she's taking issue with my notes post (they were just observations and feelings-sorry they didn't lead to hard reads but I've always said I'm not a good people reader and I am not very good at civvie detective work until I can chew on a few days of vote data), I feel that she is genuine. In Spirited Away, she put some pressure on me to produce and clarify. I feel the same vibe coming from her now. I don't understand the vote for her at all.

Lemme go get more caught up and maybe it will make more sense. No odea who to vote for yet.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

As a part of my Death to Null Reads Forever initiative, I think I'll provide some gun to head reads on every player. Obviously this early it'd all be pure gut and perhaps even useless, but it might serve as a springboard for me. I am saying this pre-emptively in case anyone would like to join me. I am not suggesting we go through the whole PROCESS (hi Matt) like usual though, just throw up a full player list and give it a go.

[indiglo]

I just like to keep tabs on who suspects me.

Why is that?

Astute note-taking on suspicions can be helpful. I've called a few people out in games past for suspecting me early and then buddying up to me later or vice versa. They aren't always baddies but it's nice to call people out on BS from time to time.

Town read on G-Man.

Now see,I got the exact opposite from this. G Man wis not a punch puller, and these reads are ALL pulled punches. The more I ISO the pair, the more I put G-Man in front of Rico.

Why do you think this is town?

When G-Man provided his longer array of player notes that have drawn the ire of some (to include yourself, Silverwolf, and I believe Epignosis), I didn't feel it was a bad or good looking post. I actually asked him to share whatever notes he had logged and he complied, so I don't think there was a serious need for those notes to develop into conclusive reads rather than simply being notes. I asked him for something and he gave me that something.

The small piece I pulled from that larger post (the very first quote above) was of separate interest to me because it represented a curious mindset that I don't think I've had as a townie on many occasions if any. I asked him to expand, and he did: he said he was keeping tabs on those who suspected him now as a comparative tool for later interactions in case something changes (meaning his notes function quite like a reads spreadsheet that someone else might keep), and I thought that was a believable answer. Granted, with a second look I'd say it's probably not deserving of quite the frank "town read" I supplied before -- but I'm making a pointed effort to take as many stances as I can because I absolutely hate calling anyone a "neutral read".

To Silverwolf and S~V~S (and anyone else who suspects G-Man for his lengthy notes post):

Given the knowledge that I asked him to supply those notes, is your immediate reception of those notes affected in any way?

I had forgotten that. Yes, that may affect my immediate knee-jerk reaction to that particular post. Here is what I still find interesting about that back-and-forth after re-reading it.

You asked him:

If you're willing to share those notes, assuming they're about reads alone, then that'd be swell. It'd be something substantive to discuss instead of whatever we've had for the last 600 posts.

My understanding of this, is that you (JJJ) were asking GMan for reads on other players. Is that correct? If that is what you were asking for, do you feel like you got that from his post?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Gun to head reads.

a2thezebra - human
Bea - human
Black Rock - human
DFaraday - toaster
DrumBeats - human
Epignosis - toaster
Glorfindel - human
G-Man - human
ika - human
inawordyes - toaster
Indiglo - toaster
JaggedJimmyJay - top bloke, good egg
juliets - human
Long Con - human
LoRab - human
Marmot - human
Matt - human
Nerolunar - human
nutella - toaster
ObscureAllure - human
Polo - human
Ricochet - human
S~V~S - human
Scotty - human
sig - human
Silverwolf - human
SokothQultuq - human
Spacedaisy - toaster
Vompatti - toaster

[indiglo]

No, because you hadn't contributed anything and even when you were here, it was very underwhelming. I knew from Downtown Abby and Turf Wars that you are more active as town. So no, it's not just because you weren't around and I didn't know if you would be by EoD or if I would and didn't want to miss the vote; it's because you hadn't contributed much when you were here and you were away from the thread a lot otherwise. You did come around to say you were drained from the other game and gave some unexplained reads but that's not enough for me to read you as town.

I'm going to harp on this. Silverwolf acts like she knows what I do when I'm good or bad. She just said I'm more active when I'm good, and cited Downton Abbey (I was good) and Turf Wars (I was bad) as evidence of this claim.

That's a bad enough discrepancy, but there's more: In Turf Wars, Silverwolf only started suspecting me when I intentionally tried to discredit her opinion of ika (who was my teammate). She did not suspect me for my level of activity.

Ack. Back and forth on Epi now. These last 2 paragraphs are exactly how he defended himself against my suspicion of him at 1 point in Turf Wars. (He was scum, I was town.)

Linki~ posting anyway

[indiglo]

im gonna get a soda im gonna be poping back in and out

Due to history, I read this as "pooping back in and out".

[ika]

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

Hey, I'm not set Epig is town. It's day one. There's just not any reason for me to vote him.

I did miss your reason. You have way to many posts to look through. Can you help a lady out? It would be helpful to see all positions here.

well adding in dsicreding silver and ignoring other votes (example turf wars)

he has low activity (truf wars)

funny enough in the short term of champ game he was much diffrent to silver the he is now

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I had forgotten that. Yes, that may affect my immediate knee-jerk reaction to that particular post. Here is what I still find interesting about that back-and-forth after re-reading it.

You asked him:

If you're willing to share those notes, assuming they're about reads alone, then that'd be swell. It'd be something substantive to discuss instead of whatever we've had for the last 600 posts.

My understanding of this, is that you (JJJ) were asking GMan for reads on other players. Is that correct? If that is what you were asking for, do you feel like you got that from his post?

Good eye. For the sake of full context, when I said "assuming they're about reads alone", my intent was for him to not reveal any notes he might have logged about roles if they'd somehow already been possible.

I don't feel like I got reads from G-Man. I honestly don't suspect him though. He mentioned his note-taking, I asked him to share, and he did. I don't think his tone is at all sinister either.

[ika]

im gonna get a soda im gonna be poping back in and out

Due to history, I read this as "pooping back in and out".

remind me to tell you guys when i poop form now now in this game :P

[Black Rock]

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

Hey, I'm not set Epig is town. It's day one. There's just not any reason for me to vote him.

I did miss your reason. You have way to many posts to look through. Can you help a lady out? It would be helpful to see all positions here.

well adding in dsicreding silver and ignoring other votes (example turf wars)

he has low activity (truf wars)

funny enough in the short term of champ game he was much diffrent to silver the he is now

That was the reasons at the time of casting your vote?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

im gonna get a soda im gonna be poping back in and out

Due to history, I read this as "pooping back in and out".

remind me to tell you guys when i poop form now now in this game :P

If you establish a consistent schedule, I'll try to align my meals so that you and I may poop together.

[Black Rock]

When you guys get time I have just thrown Sig into the Interrogation Room. Pop over and ask him some questions.

[ika]

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

Hey, I'm not set Epig is town. It's day one. There's just not any reason for me to vote him.

I did miss your reason. You have way to many posts to look through. Can you help a lady out? It would be helpful to see all positions here.

well adding in dsicreding silver and ignoring other votes (example turf wars)

he has low activity (truf wars)

funny enough in the short term of champ game he was much diffrent to silver the he is now

That was the reasons at the time of casting your vote?

i porb had more but i forgot them. i dont keep track of my reasons or anything.

[ika]

im gonna get a soda im gonna be poping back in and out

Due to history, I read this as "pooping back in and out".

remind me to tell you guys when i poop form now now in this game :P

If you establish a consistent schedule, I'll try to align my meals so that you and I may poop together.

ill be sure to say it here or via PM post game. you shoudl fo seen me last friday. i woke up t 4 in (cgfhty <-this is my dog typing) the moring throiwing up and having a huge thing of dirarea