[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[Epignosis]

So this game is now the 2nd most populous thread in post count throughout all mafia games, with the first still being Talking Heads (which I also co-hosted).

And yet, it's strange how THM still holds on. Back when Arkham was played, I was sure it'd get the honor of surpassing THM, and then it just... ended.

Curse of the THM, yo!

Also, this post-game alone probably has more posts right now than my entire game.

linki: You were bad in Guess Who #bussnosis, so it wasn't that long ass while.

That was nine months ago.

[Sloonei]

This was my first time being bad in a long ass while. Felt good.

Sometimes.

You really kicked ass. You and Soneji were the MVPs for sure.

Speaking of which, I'm still amazed that Soneji's double arrest succeeded so many times despite being mathematically improbable.

[Epignosis]

This was my first time being bad in a long ass while. Felt good.

Sometimes.

You really kicked ass. You and Soneji were the MVPs for sure.

Speaking of which, I'm still amazed that Soneji's double arrest succeeded so many times despite being mathematically improbable.

Soneji had incredible insight to arrest Nerolunar when he did. Were I around, I might have argued him out of it. We had tried to arrest Nerolunar before and it failed, so my thinking was Nerolunar and Sloonei were the Dons, and Turnip Head had one of two lynch stops (like we got).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've still never been a baddie here except the time I had to be a totally different person (SVS 2).

[Quin]

I got to the roles and I am absolutely kicking myself. I thought my lover must have died at the beginning because in 9 days we never found eachother, shiiiit.

I'll catch up with everything after lunch.

[Epignosis]

This was my first time being bad in a long ass while. Felt good.

Sometimes.

You really kicked ass. You and Soneji were the MVPs for sure.

Speaking of which, I'm still amazed that Soneji's double arrest succeeded so many times despite being mathematically improbable.

You are a frightening ass civilian to go up against.

You and 3J both on the same page the whole game? I doubted our chance of success many many many times.

[Ricochet]

I've still never been a baddie here except the time I had to be a totally different person (SVS 2).

Town is doomed when that'll happen.

[Spacedaisy]

Both that lynch stop and the kill you were given were the result of my crew failing their mission.

[Tangrowth]

I got to the roles and I am absolutely kicking myself. I thought my lover must have died at the beginning because in 9 days we never found eachother, shiiiit.

I'll catch up with everything after lunch.

LOL, yeah, we couldn't believe after all that time you and Nero never found each other. I think you both searched literally almost everyone else BUT each other.

[Soneji]

This was my first time being bad in a long ass while. Felt good.

Sometimes.

You really kicked ass. You and Soneji were the MVPs for sure.

Speaking of which, I'm still amazed that Soneji's double arrest succeeded so many times despite being mathematically improbable.

Soneji had incredible insight to arrest Nerolunar when he did. Were I around, I might have argued him out of it. We had tried to arrest Nerolunar before and it failed, so my thinking was Nerolunar and Sloonei were the Dons, and Turnip Head had one of two lynch stops (like we got).

I triple checked several different things before submitting that and even then I was paranoid about being wrong. I think the main thing for me was that you misread TH's post about you being his Don(he was changing up the classic "brother from another mother" into "Don from another mother") and a post he made after the failed lynch on him, where he worries about being killed(but not arrested). There were other minor things that added to those but they were pretty major ones.

[Epignosis]

This was my first time being bad in a long ass while. Felt good.

Sometimes.

You really kicked ass. You and Soneji were the MVPs for sure.

Speaking of which, I'm still amazed that Soneji's double arrest succeeded so many times despite being mathematically improbable.

Soneji had incredible insight to arrest Nerolunar when he did. Were I around, I might have argued him out of it. We had tried to arrest Nerolunar before and it failed, so my thinking was Nerolunar and Sloonei were the Dons, and Turnip Head had one of two lynch stops (like we got).

I triple checked several different things before submitting that and even then I was paranoid about being wrong. I think the main thing for me was that you misread TH's post about you being his Don(he was changing up the classic "brother from another mother" into "Don from another mother") and a post he made after the failed lynch on him, where he worries about being killed(but not arrested). There were other minor things that added to those but they were pretty major ones.

Well fucking A, you hit a home run mate.

[Soneji]

Sloonei was also certainly a joy to play with. Hope you don't draw Marco as mafia in your first Champs game, hes as good or better than me at deceiving people.

[Tangrowth]

This was my first time being bad in a long ass while. Felt good.

Sometimes.

You really kicked ass. You and Soneji were the MVPs for sure.

Speaking of which, I'm still amazed that Soneji's double arrest succeeded so many times despite being mathematically improbable.

Soneji had incredible insight to arrest Nerolunar when he did. Were I around, I might have argued him out of it. We had tried to arrest Nerolunar before and it failed, so my thinking was Nerolunar and Sloonei were the Dons, and Turnip Head had one of two lynch stops (like we got).

I triple checked several different things before submitting that and even then I was paranoid about being wrong. I think the main thing for me was that you misread TH's post about you being his Don(he was changing up the classic "brother from another mother" into "Don from another mother") and a post he made after the failed lynch on him, where he worries about being killed(but not arrested). There were other minor things that added to those but they were pretty major ones.

If you had tried to arrest Turnip Head, that could have very well changed this game, and it's most likely neither the civilians or baddies would have won.

[Serge]

Great game, everyone! I honestly thought the cops were doomed starting a few days ago. Prisoner 50something is my favorite in this game, you ruled.

[Quin]

Totally shocked at the identity of 509378, did not see that coming, much gasping.

I figured it out based on what he's said and his syntax

[Tangrowth]

With regards to the civilian mislynches and wrong suspicions, I have to say that I think I felt bad for sig and Quin the most; they were the most wrongly suspected for the longest all game.

[Epignosis]

Totally shocked at the identity of 509378, did not see that coming, much gasping.

I figured it out based on what he's said and his syntax

I caught it almost immediately. You see I didn't vote to parole his ass.

[Quin]

I got to the roles and I am absolutely kicking myself. I thought my lover must have died at the beginning because in 9 days we never found eachother, shiiiit.

I'll catch up with everything after lunch.

LOL, yeah, we couldn't believe after all that time you and Nero never found each other. I think you both searched literally almost everyone else BUT each other.

I used my role to target those who I couldn't assign roles to and then people who were urging my lynch to make sure they weren't my partner, so I didn't ever get around to him.

I suppose we did well for a couple of what ended up being vanilla townies

I'm also pretty surprised at how many game mechanics and identities I was able to correctly figure out through this. Not bad at all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nobody else seems to do that stupid double-hyphen styled dash thing I do -- why do I do that? It looks dumb.

[Serge]

The cop team on its early days was quite abysmal, I felt bad for Epignosis who I think scolded us almost every day for not doing anything right. I'm glad you got your win, Epignosis, you deserve it.

[Marmot]

Oooh! Can I have "The Decider" changed to "Prisoner 813142"? I will never forget this game. Like ever.

I blame you for our failed questionnaire.

[Soneji]

Where did the baddie chat go anyways? I can still reach it through the link in my PM but I don't see it around under current job 2 like I used to.

[Spacedaisy]

Quin, a few times you said stuff MP and I were looking at each other and asking, "how does he KNOW that!?" The last time I finally just asked you why you thought what you said, because I was just so shocked. You figured a lot of mechanics out on your own.

[Sloonei]

Totally shocked at the identity of 509378, did not see that coming, much gasping.

I figured it out based on what he's said and his syntax

That post belonged in this color

You played awesome and I'm sorry I thought you were bad.

[Soneji]

Wearing it with pride. It actually fits pretty well under my signature.

[Epignosis]

The cop team on its early days was quite abysmal, I felt bad for Epignosis who I think scolded us almost every day for not doing anything right. I'm glad you got your win, Epignosis, you deserve it.

I'm a hard driver.

[Tangrowth]

Where did the baddie chat go anyways? I can still reach it through the link in my PM but I don't see it around under current job 2 like I used to.

I've hidden the chats away in a secret dark place of the forum that no one (even I) may go.

Seriously, we decided to keep all the BTSC private instead of revealing it, though we debated on it. Apologies if that's disappointing.

[Soneji]

It would only truly be disappointing if I was town. Reading the mafia chat is one of my favorite parts of games when I'm town/indie. This does benefit me in the end, as now no one can truly see the depths of my villainy other then the hosts and my scummates

[Tangrowth]

Quin, a few times you said stuff MP and I were looking at each other and asking, "how does he KNOW that!?" The last time I finally just asked you why you thought what you said, because I was just so shocked. You figured a lot of mechanics out on your own.

[Quin]

for those of you questioning the Don's choices as far as challenges for his Capo and Crew, they did not know what the challenges were. They were choosing the reward and then picking a random number to assign their challenge with no knowledge of the actual mission itself. If they had known it would have outed who the capo and crew were. To both Dons. It would have hugely imbalanced the game for basically two groups of five civs to all know who each other are, it also would have made it impossible for a team to off their own Don by accident, which was an intended mechanic. Anyone who plays my games should know, there will always be a kind of role or mechanic that may require self sacrifice or strategic risk/loss.i am a huge fan of making players make tough decisions. And also of unique role interactions. The cops were pretty pessimistic at the idea of two civs each with their own BTSC partner that they could not arrest, but it was intentional. In order for one of the civ teams to win they had to take out the other Don. The game was built to pit civ against civ. You guys just never got there. Who knows, it might have changed the whole outcome if you hadn't put it off.

I realised the civ-on-civ gameplay aspect, but I figured it wasn't important because if town spent ages trying to lynch their opposite family members, the police would have been given free reign over the game. I always just intended to focus 100 percent on scum and if my family came out on top then it would be great.

[G-Man]

It was those two challenges that made us realize we needed to recognize some outstanding performances in the prison yard. So the Thug banners were born! The prisoners who carried those challenges were tenacious. There was one point where they went 28 minutes without posting and I thought they were going to miss it, but they didn't. I think the closest they came in the ten minute one was 8 minutes. I was the one who had the honor of patrolling to ensure they met the criteria. That's why I was also cheering them on, lol.

No, there is a full 10-mintues stretch between posts during the 10-minute challenge. I panicked when I saw the time and barely squeaked the saver post in there. I have never idea where in that mess it occurred but it's in there somewhere. Fortunately, the rules stated "more than 10 minutes," meaning 11 minutes between posts would fail us. That was the closest call ever and I was worried for hours that you guys could see the precise post time (like down to the second) with your mod powers and would rule it a failure.

[Soneji]

sorry i spent so much time and energy trying to get you lynched, quin and sig.

That CFD was amazing but it kinda doomed me personally in this game. It caused me to shake up so many of my reads from earlier in the game, and it turned out all of my new ideas were wrong and my old ones were much more on the right track.

Soneji had me fooled the whole time though. If it weren't for those last day shenanigans I was never going to vote for him. Very well played Soneji and the rest of you cops.

This is so very true for pretty much everyone but Silverwolf. Silverwolf has incredible instincts. However, I have never seen so many civs be so absolutely wrong and yet 100% they were right as I did in this game. People who usually have outstanding instincts as well. It was almost painful to watch at times.

Also, I have to share my own Slooneji story. Sloonei, you were originally supposed to be the Chief and soneji was supposed to be my Don, but because I flubbed and got Sloonei and soneji mixed up, I had to flip flop your roles because one of the role card messages was read as soon as I sent it. I felt like an idiot.

Thank You Daisy and soneji and also sig for what you said after I died!! Prisoner 509 and Sloonei were great at analysis and it was really me knowing ika and gut and stool pidgeon stuff that had me doing what I did.

I needed to do a better job of explaining my reads. I am an emotional/passionate player and that distracts me sometimes. I was supremely frustrated with feeling like I wasn't being listened to but I didn't have a lot to go on, just gut and the fact I don't like lurkers and the stool pidgeon stuff. It was hard to read, coming back, some of the stuff said about me by indiglo. It wasn't personal but still hard to read.

That said, no hard feeling anyone!!

Damn about the BTSC, I really wanted to see how ika operated here.

Ika defended your honor as nobly in our BTSC thread as he did in the main thread

I was both lamenting the civs waving away your reads based on meta and passion while also being thankful that they did as you had our entire team nailed. I know all too well the feeling of being so right in your reads but getting ignored, the trick is to do it so often people have to take notice

We kept you around as long as we did mainly to keep Ika happy :P

[Quin]

Quin, a few times you said stuff MP and I were looking at each other and asking, "how does he KNOW that!?" The last time I finally just asked you why you thought what you said, because I was just so shocked. You figured a lot of mechanics out on your own.

I'm a pretty awful scum reader but I guess I'm not half at this sort of thing

I'd say that Silverwolf was the MVP this game. She was right about both ika and Epi and it's a shame that nobody listened.

This just reminded me that back on Day 2, the main wagons were Epi, Fuzz and ika so we had our pick of three different mafia members. We were looking so great back then but we ruined ourselves.

[Epignosis]

Quin, a few times you said stuff MP and I were looking at each other and asking, "how does he KNOW that!?" The last time I finally just asked you why you thought what you said, because I was just so shocked. You figured a lot of mechanics out on your own.

I'm a pretty awful scum reader but I guess I'm not half at this sort of thing

I'd say that Silverwolf was the MVP this game. She was right about both ika and Epi and it's a shame that nobody listened.

This just reminded me that back on Day 2, the main wagons were Epi, Fuzz and ika so we had our pick of three different mafia members. We were looking so great back then but we ruined ourselves.

That led to my question in BTSC: "How the fuck did we end up with 21 votes in the span of half an hour?"

[Silverwolf]

sorry i spent so much time and energy trying to get you lynched, quin and sig.

That CFD was amazing but it kinda doomed me personally in this game. It caused me to shake up so many of my reads from earlier in the game, and it turned out all of my new ideas were wrong and my old ones were much more on the right track.

Soneji had me fooled the whole time though. If it weren't for those last day shenanigans I was never going to vote for him. Very well played Soneji and the rest of you cops.

This is so very true for pretty much everyone but Silverwolf. Silverwolf has incredible instincts. However, I have never seen so many civs be so absolutely wrong and yet 100% they were right as I did in this game. People who usually have outstanding instincts as well. It was almost painful to watch at times.

Also, I have to share my own Slooneji story. Sloonei, you were originally supposed to be the Chief and soneji was supposed to be my Don, but because I flubbed and got Sloonei and soneji mixed up, I had to flip flop your roles because one of the role card messages was read as soon as I sent it. I felt like an idiot.

Thank You Daisy and soneji and also sig for what you said after I died!! Prisoner 509 and Sloonei were great at analysis and it was really me knowing ika and gut and stool pidgeon stuff that had me doing what I did.

I needed to do a better job of explaining my reads. I am an emotional/passionate player and that distracts me sometimes. I was supremely frustrated with feeling like I wasn't being listened to but I didn't have a lot to go on, just gut and the fact I don't like lurkers and the stool pidgeon stuff. It was hard to read, coming back, some of the stuff said about me by indiglo. It wasn't personal but still hard to read.

That said, no hard feeling anyone!!

Damn about the BTSC, I really wanted to see how ika operated here.

Ika defended your honor as nobly in our BTSC thread as he did in the main thread

I was both lamenting the civs waving away your reads based on meta and passion while also being thankful that they did as you had our entire team nailed. I know all too well the feeling of being so right in your reads but getting ignored, the trick is to do it so often people have to take notice

We kept you around as long as we did mainly to keep Ika happy :P

Thank You for telling me this and thanks for the kind words soneji!!

This somewhat makes up for my disappointment in not getting to see the BTSC. I really, really wanted to read it.

[Silverwolf]

Quin, a few times you said stuff MP and I were looking at each other and asking, "how does he KNOW that!?" The last time I finally just asked you why you thought what you said, because I was just so shocked. You figured a lot of mechanics out on your own.

I'm a pretty awful scum reader but I guess I'm not half at this sort of thing

I'd say that Silverwolf was the MVP this game. She was right about both ika and Epi and it's a shame that nobody listened.

This just reminded me that back on Day 2, the main wagons were Epi, Fuzz and ika so we had our pick of three different mafia members. We were looking so great back then but we ruined ourselves.

Thank You Quin!!

[Quin]

Quin, a few times you said stuff MP and I were looking at each other and asking, "how does he KNOW that!?" The last time I finally just asked you why you thought what you said, because I was just so shocked. You figured a lot of mechanics out on your own.

I'm a pretty awful scum reader but I guess I'm not half at this sort of thing

I'd say that Silverwolf was the MVP this game. She was right about both ika and Epi and it's a shame that nobody listened.

This just reminded me that back on Day 2, the main wagons were Epi, Fuzz and ika so we had our pick of three different mafia members. We were looking so great back then but we ruined ourselves.

That led to my question in BTSC: "How the fuck did we end up with 21 votes in the span of half an hour?"

After a successful Fuzz lynch, sig's preferred avenue is to lynch the runners up of Day 2. This is still his position. According to sig, this is how Day 2 looks:

Epignosis - Cop
3
Metalmarsh89 (8), a2thezebra (9), DrWilgy (10) 10%

ika -Undercover Cop
9
Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%

RadicalFuzz - Surveillance Specialist
8
Golden (17), ika (18), Silverwolf (19), indiglo (20), S~V~S (21), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Turnip Head (24), Sloonei (25) 28%

Remember this one, Epi?

I have a new found respect for sig's scumhunting ability.

[Epignosis]

Quin, a few times you said stuff MP and I were looking at each other and asking, "how does he KNOW that!?" The last time I finally just asked you why you thought what you said, because I was just so shocked. You figured a lot of mechanics out on your own.

I'm a pretty awful scum reader but I guess I'm not half at this sort of thing

I'd say that Silverwolf was the MVP this game. She was right about both ika and Epi and it's a shame that nobody listened.

This just reminded me that back on Day 2, the main wagons were Epi, Fuzz and ika so we had our pick of three different mafia members. We were looking so great back then but we ruined ourselves.

That led to my question in BTSC: "How the fuck did we end up with 21 votes in the span of half an hour?"

After a successful Fuzz lynch, sig's preferred avenue is to lynch the runners up of Day 2. This is still his position. According to sig, this is how Day 2 looks:

Epignosis - Cop
3
Metalmarsh89 (8), a2thezebra (9), DrWilgy (10) 10%

ika -Undercover Cop
9
Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%

RadicalFuzz - Surveillance Specialist
8
Golden (17), ika (18), Silverwolf (19), indiglo (20), S~V~S (21), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Turnip Head (24), Sloonei (25) 28%

Remember this one, Epi?

I have a new found respect for sig's scumhunting ability.

Yeah man.

I had to roll with the "If it doesn't make sense, it's not true" defense, a.k.a., I had to go Judge Judy on sig.

[Quin]

Quin, a few times you said stuff MP and I were looking at each other and asking, "how does he KNOW that!?" The last time I finally just asked you why you thought what you said, because I was just so shocked. You figured a lot of mechanics out on your own.

I'm a pretty awful scum reader but I guess I'm not half at this sort of thing

I'd say that Silverwolf was the MVP this game. She was right about both ika and Epi and it's a shame that nobody listened.

This just reminded me that back on Day 2, the main wagons were Epi, Fuzz and ika so we had our pick of three different mafia members. We were looking so great back then but we ruined ourselves.

That led to my question in BTSC: "How the fuck did we end up with 21 votes in the span of half an hour?"

After a successful Fuzz lynch, sig's preferred avenue is to lynch the runners up of Day 2. This is still his position. According to sig, this is how Day 2 looks:

Epignosis - Cop
3
Metalmarsh89 (8), a2thezebra (9), DrWilgy (10) 10%

ika -Undercover Cop
9
Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%

RadicalFuzz - Surveillance Specialist
8
Golden (17), ika (18), Silverwolf (19), indiglo (20), S~V~S (21), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Turnip Head (24), Sloonei (25) 28%

Remember this one, Epi?

I have a new found respect for sig's scumhunting ability.

Yeah man.

I had to roll with the "If it doesn't make sense, it's not true" defense, a.k.a., I had to go Judge Judy on sig.

Looking back on it I'm not sure why I didn't call you out on that argument earlier. It evaded me.

[Epignosis]

How about that warden post at four in the morning, heh?

[Quokka]

How about that warden post at four in the morning, heh?

I remember how you went through all of our timezones for viability, but I don't think you included yourself

Another thing I should've called you out on in hindsight.

[Quokka]

I was Quin, by the by. I just need to do all that stuff with this sockpuppet.

[dodo]

Wow. What a game to be a part of.

This game reminded me of BoB in that I was wrong about most everyone and adamant about my reads to a fault. I'm sorry town, and especially to Quin. My bad man. The past few weeks have been VERY hard to keep up with, and especially when 509 was introduced into the picture. I'm still up in Canada and can only view stuff minimally when I spot Wifi, which is sparingly.

Kudos to the cops, and thank you MP and Daisy for hosting. I feel like I contributed nothing but crap to the game for my faction, so fuck me slowly. But I think I learned quite a bit about several people's playstyles.

To allude to DDL, if a player is acting too scummy to be scum, he is probably scum *cough ika*

[Epignosis]

How about that warden post at four in the morning, heh?

I remember how you went through all of our timezones for viability, but I don't think you included yourself

Another thing I should've called you out on in hindsight.

I'm a school teacher on the east coast. I'm always asleep during that time.

However, I had fallen asleep in my chair during the prison break, woke up at 4ish, and realized I could post.

I did.

I hadn't read anything at all. How funny it was to see that I had posted "So you think you've got me figured out" right after Prisoner 920 made a huge case against me!

[Quin]

Hey, so SVS is gonna honour the bet she made with P509 and change her sig, right?

[ika]

ok a few things:

first: i would like to still see the BTC topic of mafia, i would also like to know why it wasnt released, i wasactualy hoping for it to be released to to what happened to me in there

second: the post i made to silver and quoted later as prisoner is indeed 100% scum claiming from me, i would never in all my life make that post as town.

moreso when silver responded how she did, i had a RL meltdown where i was crying and lashed out a bunch in the scum topic. how i reacted to epi was 100% non-alignment indicative. its how i will act regardless of my alignement, i will not myslynch silver one bit.

third: iirc i asked in the scum topic what happens in a donvdonvcop situation and last i heard, everone would win?

finally: i do have one small issue and thats scums not baing able to put in the nk for each other, while i can understand the situation to forsaken scum actions if they are nto around, i think we sould at least be able to submit a nomal arrest.

if i had it my way silver would of been arrested n1

i got more to say but i need to make more post in ricoets game i will fix prisoner soon

[timmer]

I've never thought I'd enjoy being in prison so much, lol!

Thanks for the crazy game, MP/SD! And thanks for the banner, I am quite proud of DH's and my work on that damn decode!!!

The true prisoner champs are def. those who held the 10-minute challenge together... I didn't help out much on that, although I WAS able to pop in to take over while someone took a shower, lol.....

And Epig? I may get hyper-paranoid and over-focus on minutiae in mafia a lot, but sometimes it pays off But hey... your Chronos will be at your disposal whenever you need him

Oh, and Juliets, I knew you were you, as well heh, as soon as you mentioned that you once got lynched for being "too nice" I thought... oh man, that's got to be JC

Prisoner 920077 is cleaned out. Thanks again, hosts!

[Soneji]

Even we're locked out of the topic now Ika, its lost to the abyss. We won though, aren't you happy?

[Silverwolf]

I'd like to thank 920 for your incredible determination during the 10 minute post challenge. Holy shit you went all night 2 nights in a row when the rest of us slackers were sleeping.

Great job!!

[timmer]

I'd like to thank 920 for your incredible determination during the 10 minute post challenge. Holy shit you went all night 2 nights in a row when the rest of us slackers were sleeping.

Great job!!

Oh no, that wasn't me, I didn't do much in that challenge, tbh.