The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Sorsha wrote:What about it DH? I remember you bringing up my name earlier in that game, I don't remember for what exactly without checking though.

I don't think you are Draco's teammate... I don't know what you want me to say about that post really. You'll just throw it back in my face and call me bad anyway.

I'm not 100% sure wilgy is good. If I had picked between mm and wilgy yesterday it would have been wilgy but I feel like they are both civ so I went with boom. I had no idea wilgy was going to switch (and whoever else did).

I'm out at dinner now so I don't know if ill be back anytime soon.

In what game? What are you on about?

I'm asking what your thoughts are on the post. Do you think Wilgy's points in the post hold water? It's a really straightforward question.

Autocorrect. That=the, as in this game.


No, I don't think he actually checked to see if what he said was accurate.

Sorsha wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Sorsha wrote:What about it DH? I remember you bringing up my name earlier in that game, I don't remember for what exactly without checking though.

I don't think you are Draco's teammate... I don't know what you want me to say about that post really. You'll just throw it back in my face and call me bad anyway.

I'm not 100% sure wilgy is good. If I had picked between mm and wilgy yesterday it would have been wilgy but I feel like they are both civ so I went with boom. I had no idea wilgy was going to switch (and whoever else did).

I'm out at dinner now so I don't know if ill be back anytime soon.

In what game? What are you on about?

I'm asking what your thoughts are on the post. Do you think Wilgy's points in the post hold water? It's a really straightforward question.

Autocorrect. That=the, as in this game.

I figured as much re: autocorrect.

When you have time why do you think he composed such a boisterous post without checking to see if what he said was true?

No, I don't think he actually checked to see if what he said was accurate.

MacDougall wrote:Motel didn't even acknowledge that he nearly died. He's not even reading the thread. He just came and voted for whoever has the most votes.

Sorsha wrote:What about it DH? I remember you bringing up my name earlier in that game, I don't remember for what exactly without checking though.

I don't think you are Draco's teammate... I don't know what you want me to say about that post really. You'll just throw it back in my face and call me bad anyway.

I'm not 100% sure wilgy is good. If I had picked between mm and wilgy yesterday it would have been wilgy but I feel like they are both civ so I went with boom. I had no idea wilgy was going to switch (and whoever else did).

I'm out at dinner now so I don't know if ill be back anytime soon.

I just looked at your ISO comparing Drac and Sorsha.

DrWilgy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Why are people not getting that there are two teams lmao.

There have always been two GOC Mafia teams

A2 was mafia and died N1. Two teams.

DH your scumdoodlyness is leaking. I just looked at your ISO comparing Drac and Sorsha.

You mention Sorsha as bad early game with clapping and nothing else quoting a JJJ read.

You mention Drac, always jokingly or not serious. Even when I ask you your thoughts on him, you go "meh yellow" and move on. When he votes for you, your reaction isn't that of a civ afraid of a lynch, it's neutral.

DH you aren't saving your temmie here. I'll look over Drac now and see if these connections hold true on his end.

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I know my defense of Wilgy is bordering on farcical but can we lynch Sorsha first? If she flips bad I will follow you to the ends of the Earth.

I'm not going to flip bad.

Wilgy is not on my team.

I'm voting Draco. There is no way he is civ. Go look at endgame posts from him in AWR if you don't believe me. He was a lost lonely civvie who didn't know who to trust, complete opposite of what he is here now.

MacDougall wrote:I know my defense of Wilgy is bordering on farcical but can we lynch Sorsha first? If she flips bad I will follow you to the ends of the Earth.

MacDougall wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:@Mac just for you I'm gonna work on congregating as much of the Wilgy stuff as time allows.

Thank you based DharmaHelper.

MacDougall wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

MacDougall wrote:DH I want you to in dot point form outline the best reasons for lynching Wilgy. Lord knows Marsh, juliets and DharmaHelper have zero.

Here are the best reasons for Draconus.

1. Top of LC's scumlist
2. Last major breadcrumb left by HB before he died
3. Major suspect of Dom
4. Obvious buddying of DH, Metalmarsh and Ricochet
5. Earlier scum read of DH now resolving in buddying, scum read disappeareth!
6. Is just voting for whoever DH votes for
7. Hasn't made any of his own cases
8. Has compelling teammate connection with FZ
9. Told me to fuck off, how rude!
10. I read him scum early in the game and I am legendary at that

If your case against Wilgy is that convincing then I will vote for him.

I would, but I don't think it would be productive. I've laid out exactly why he's suspect in a number of posts.

Explain how it's not productive? A summarisation of the case is a very productive thing for civvies who aren't giving a fuck.

DrWilgy wrote:Hello everyone! I go hiking and suddenly have 200 posts to catch up on? And I'm in vote lead again?

To anyone who can make it out to Texas, I highly recommend visiting Pedernales Falls
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MacDougall wrote:DH I want you to in dot point form outline the best reasons for lynching Wilgy. Lord knows Marsh, juliets and DharmaHelper have zero.

Here are the best reasons for Draconus.

1. Top of LC's scumlist
2. Last major breadcrumb left by HB before he died
3. Major suspect of Dom
4. Obvious buddying of DH, Metalmarsh and Ricochet
5. Earlier scum read of DH now resolving in buddying, scum read disappeareth!
6. Is just voting for whoever DH votes for
7. Hasn't made any of his own cases
8. Has compelling teammate connection with FZ
9. Told me to fuck off, how rude!
10. I read him scum early in the game and I am legendary at that

If your case against Wilgy is that convincing then I will vote for him.

MacDougall wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:How bout Draconus trying to paint DH as the scum out of the LC flip and now arriving where we are him just buddying the fuck out of him?

I believe you!

Can we lynch Wilgy first?

Why not Drac first?

FZ. wrote:Okay, now I'm really going to bed. I want to hear Wilgy, Drac and Sorsha.

linki 1:Juliets, why do you care so much what I think? Why don't you consider that maybe I'm the baddie here and am trying to make you look bad? I feel like you're aiming to please a lot this game. I don't remember ever playing with you like that

linki 2: I had a feeling you'd react with something of the sort, DH. But it's the truth.


linki 3: Because that's the new trend MM, I'm bad

FZ. wrote:I'm going to bed. I'll try to look at things with fresh eyes tomorrow. I'm not bad, but have no idea how to prove I'm not related to Drac in any way.


One last question to everyone. If there's only one mafia team, who does the killing pattern, of taking out the people that are suspects and those who aren't making a lot of noise, fit?


linki: DH, what conversation did I forget?

juliets wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:

I'd feel better about you if you didn't allegedly forget we had an entire conversation.

Um, i dont know what you are talking about.

MacDougall wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Motel Room is still here.

I say again. I am going to be the worst player ever next time I am scum and I will never die.

So he's baddie that a sudden vigi tried to kill or baddie that a different team tried to kill?

I have no idea. I'm just saying that for him to survive and still have no votes on him today is annoying as fuck.

FZ. wrote:

The suspicion she raises on the Draco vote is incredibly valid. Why would he vote for FZ at this point for attempting to save someone he thought was bad (JJJ) when JJJ had more votes. Unless they were distancing?

HamburgerBoy raises doubts about the validity of her point so she quotes a few Draco posts to justify it. Pretty haphazardly thrown together post. I don't think FZ had any intention of actually getting Draco lynched here.

For someone such as FZ who is a little bit tinfoily to not even entertain the idea that HB was kamikaze mode and stood behind a player who she had just read as manipulatively trying to chain her to a mislynch... There is a disconnect there. It makes her previous suspicions look fabricated.

We've gone from her establishing a scum read earlier in the game from no case, to now having a civ read on him with no interaction at all?

All of her interaction around Draco is suspicious. They are scum together.

FZ. wrote:I don't have time to try and persuade you I'm not bad. If I need to, and I get votes, I will. For the time being, you can believe whatever you want. I change my mind on people based on gut reading, and Drac's recent post saying "if Bea is bad, I quit" made me feel it was genuine. His actions during the end of that LC lynch felt good to me too. I don't think MM is bad so I don't think he was trying to save Drac either.


linki: Sorry DH, I wasn't sure it was for me. I don't know what to make of the Wilgy case. At the moment, it's the best one out there, but Mac and Bea keep saying LC trusted him, so I'm still hesitant

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Why are people not getting that there are two teams lmao.

There have always been two GOC Mafia teams

A2 was mafia and died N1. Two teams.

DH your scumdoodlyness is leaking. I just looked at your ISO comparing Drac and Sorsha.

You mention Sorsha as bad early game with clapping and nothing else quoting a JJJ read.

You mention Drac, always jokingly or not serious. Even when I ask you your thoughts on him, you go "meh yellow" and move on. When he votes for you, your reaction isn't that of a civ afraid of a lynch, it's neutral.

DH you aren't saving your temmie here. I'll look over Drac now and see if these connections hold true on his end.

Thissun right here FZ.

I'd have to give Mac a re-read to nail down one way or the other but intuitively I think he's civ.

And you claim it's BS?

Why would you rather lynch Sorsha over him?

Did you ever answer?

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Why are people not getting that there are two teams lmao.

There have always been two GOC Mafia teams

A2 was mafia and died N1. Two teams.

DH your scumdoodlyness is leaking. I just looked at your ISO comparing Drac and Sorsha.

You mention Sorsha as bad early game with clapping and nothing else quoting a JJJ read.

You mention Drac, always jokingly or not serious. Even when I ask you your thoughts on him, you go "meh yellow" and move on. When he votes for you, your reaction isn't that of a civ afraid of a lynch, it's neutral.

DH you aren't saving your temmie here. I'll look over Drac now and see if these connections hold true on his end.

Thissun right here FZ.

I'd have to give Mac a re-read to nail down one way or the other but intuitively I think he's civ.

And you claim it's BS?

Why would you rather lynch Sorsha over him?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:If I ever get around to hosting, RIP to everyone who breaks the rules lol.

Didn't you host a game like yestermonth?

@Rico, I've never seen someone survive a modkill.

*No info dumping~ which means no night results, no info gleaned via BTS, etc.

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:By the way, the fact LC wasn't killed after allegedly having BTSC with someone is not proof of anything. If he had BTSC with you, he probably told you who else he had BTSC with or who he wants to have it with. NK him would be dangerous, not to mention he almost got jjj lynched, and was wrong. Why take him out?

linki: Well, it leaves me with nothing

Now that you mention it, if Boom was oblivious to LC's power (seriously, though, how did he even made his crap case, if he was just a mere question curser? yikes), wouldn't some of those who bought into Boom's idea be former BTSC buds with LC who fooled him and, knowing LC's power, wanted to push him into dying via lynch? (I know I wasn't any better trusting Boom, but I thought Boom claimed copsy.) The civs with LCBTSC visible vouched for LC, but what of the baddies he might have had BTSC with? Could they have launched into say "hiss! hiss! Boom is on to something! death to LC!"? Can we work on this angle in any way?

Ricochet wrote:Guys, I'm losing consciouness here! Someone please interpret what the hell did bea just do. Slip on a banana or slip on her own spaghetti?

Draconus wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Also, Wilgy was just in here but I assume he read that he got bodied and has nothing to repudiate that with.

Real talk: this us the first time I'veheard "bodied" used in this way and it's too consistent to be a typo. I can get from context the jist of the meaning, but just curious..

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:
I would rather lynch Sorsha because she is his teammate.

Err. If I were you, with the shown determination to prove Wilgy wrong and, most importantly, bad, I'd steer Wilgy's way, at least for today. We don't have time for confirming teammates via alternative routes. We need to lynch a baddie right now.

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Why are people not getting that there are two teams lmao.

There have always been two GOC Mafia teams

A2 was mafia and died N1. Two teams.

DH your scumdoodlyness is leaking. I just looked at your ISO comparing Drac and Sorsha.

You mention Sorsha as bad early game with clapping and nothing else quoting a JJJ read.

You mention Drac, always jokingly or not serious. Even when I ask you your thoughts on him, you go "meh yellow" and move on. When he votes for you, your reaction isn't that of a civ afraid of a lynch, it's neutral.

DH you aren't saving your temmie here. I'll look over Drac now and see if these connections hold true on his end.

Thissun right here FZ.

I'd have to give Mac a re-read to nail down one way or the other but intuitively I think he's civ.

And you claim it's BS?

Why would you rather lynch Sorsha over him?

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm getting a similar vibe from what Sorsha is saying regarding you intentionally putting a target on Fuzz as to what SVS said in Recruitment about you asking for that NK

DharmaHelper wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not sure where I sit on the JJJ vs. Llama debate just yet. I was leaning JJ until his posts on Boom which read honest. And I haven't made heads or tails of the case on llama at all. So in the meantime I'm placing a token vote on Sorsha for her odd comments regarding Golden's culpability in Fuzz's death.

That's an odd angle. I vote Sorsha for second fiddle in the Golden debate, but can't make "heads or tails" of the main fiddler in that same debate (llama) and don't mention what you make of the debate itself (Golden - llama) at all.

I don't think Golden is guilty of what he's been accused of. I also don't think Llama is bad for having accused him of it. Llama's actions fit with what I'd expect from him. Golden's response makes me just about certain of his innocence (because I've seen this exact scenario before), and Sorsha's attachment to such an accusation doesn't gel with me.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Draconus wrote:God Dammit I hate my phone sometimes I had 3 tabs open after holding down "jump to post" on 3 of his quotes. 2 of them failed to take me to the correct post/page. This one worked, though so I'll leave it with a comment until I'm back in front of a working computer.

DharmaHelper wrote:

It doesn't have to have civvie written all over it. It has "bangwagon" written all over it, and it's a common component of any active end of day sequence. If your resistance was purely a matter of your perspective, I think you're wrong. I don't get a vibe of resistance from your posts as much as "Haha, these people are doing something that I can easily capitalize on, I'd better start yelling."

Patently false. With an hour and a half to go I come into the thread to see that the 3rd place (if even that?) vote option has been propelled into first place, and I'm supposed to do what exactly? Let this spontanious bandwagon lynch someone I don't suspect? Am I supposed to ignore that the votes couldn't be more suspicious if they came attached to confessions? Am I supposed to see Tranq and Motel Room literally vote for LoRab for zero reason and think "Ah heck that's fine." Fuck that noise. End day bandwagons are common components? Maybe where you come from. Where I come from, if someone goes from the position LoRab was in before to the position she was in after, under the circumstances that occured, something's fucked up with that. There is no innocent way to explain that. At all. Zero. None. So when I see that, I'm not going to NOT point it out in the thread, am I? I'm not going to sit quietly and let a civvie get lynched. That's the kind of stunt people pull when they expect no resistance, they expect no one to be in the thread hollering and pointing out the bullshit. Not in my house.

So, here we have DH getting pretty upset at the Lorab bandwagoners. His notably aggressive attitude towards them pings me here. On top of that this not the first example of this scenario. Refer to Day 3.0 when Jay and Lorab were tied with quite a few votes each. DH came in, voted for Jay, and said "what's this bandwagon fuckery?" Or something to that affect. Anyway, he has consistently voiced his opinion that Lorab is innocent and looks good to him. He has also actively and aggressively defended her on multiple occasions. That being said, DH has my vote for the next day.

Ooh linkitis. You've been busy Jay. Good to see you motivated again

Actually what the fuck are you talking about? The post you quoted is me literally talking about the Day 3 lynch. What "other scenario"?

DharmaHelper wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Anyone besides Sorsha think those three posts have any civvie connotations?

Is sorsha panicking after contributing to a mislynch impossible as a civ? Do you think civilians don't panic when they realise they're about to get the hose?

I think you might have a point.

I am feeling Draconus buddying the fuck out of you DH. Can you see it?

I do, and it's a stark contrast from a few days ago.

DharmaHelper wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:This paragraph here along with recent events:

Wilgy wrote:Hey DH what do you think about Drac? why is it Sorsha and I that are on a temmie here? Drac's vote was weird enough, he followed Mac ditching credibility, and was here to post only moment's after the Boomslang flip. Also something that's weird, was his response: (I edited because the question mark was driving me bonkers)

Draconus wrote: RIP Boomslang. I regret moving my vote.

It wasn't that he wasn't here to not move his vote, it's that he regretted moving it off of me and onto Boomslang. Why would Drac ditch credibility and go "Hey I'm following Mac" only to take it after the flip? It's a weird flip here. I think Drac knew what he was doing and was content with either result... but I'm reading his actions from the POV of an evil Sith Lord and that should be taken into account.

Oh, also his buddying of you going into this phase seems odd as well. It's almost as if he has what he wants and is willing to just let you go bonkers with it.

His buddying of me as I said earlier is in direct contrast to his earlier interactions with me, which I don't like. I also don't understand the "I unintentionally left my vote on Boomslang" thing. I'd put him in the middle of my list right now. I want to lynch Sorsha first.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Draconus wrote:

DrWilgy wrote: Linki: Drac, so why then... were you back in 20 min and your response was "WHOOPS! shouldn't have changed my vote!" instead of "Sorry I was l8 fam." I don't really think you regret not moving your vote, especially when that vote was placed on the pretense of "Mac told me so." Also, doesn't that make that a pretty weak theory?

You're trying really hard to make me a lynch candidate. I see you Wilgy. Timing was coincidental. I had just gotten settled in at home and was exhausted when I opened the thread to read the result. "Whoops" completely belittles the tone and attitude behind my post. I'm getting a bit too irritated to focus right now (not to mention I'm typing this post from the bathroom stall) So I'll end on this note: the one I really wanted to lynch, was you, Wilgy. My vote staying on Boom was unintentional. End of discussion for me.

Linki Rico: cool Sorry to leave you hanging with that.

DrWilgy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Why are people not getting that there are two teams lmao.

There have always been two GOC Mafia teams

A2 was mafia and died N1. Two teams.

DH your scumdoodlyness is leaking. I just looked at your ISO comparing Drac and Sorsha.

You mention Sorsha as bad early game with clapping and nothing else quoting a JJJ read.

You mention Drac, always jokingly or not serious. Even when I ask you your thoughts on him, you go "meh yellow" and move on. When he votes for you, your reaction isn't that of a civ afraid of a lynch, it's neutral.

DH you aren't saving your temmie here. I'll look over Drac now and see if these connections hold true on his end.

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:In fact, don't even bother to go and check if I've brought Sorsha up at all, because I just did and spoiler alert I totally fucking did. As early as Day 3, I discussed her comments about Golden's culpability in the Fuzz lynch.

you mean night kill

DharmaHelper wrote:
Thank you this has been "DharmaHelper brings the civs back from the brink of death and finally wins a GoC"

uh minor detail but remember when you won an honorific GoC