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by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:09 pm
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Topic: Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Guillo’s meta post is his towniest post all game.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:07 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Party Crasher wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:06 pm
Surviving to end game as town is the absolute worst experience in Mafia.

-t
I had this exact thought yesterday

(At least when you’re approaching lylo)
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:06 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Wow that’s actually a really great way to collect meta
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:02 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm
Guillotine wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:54 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:43 pm Maybe Guillo is lost wolf who genuinely think I'm wolf too lolol

This is getting dumb and I need to step off
What makes you think there could be a lost wolf?
Read. The. Fucking. Game.
There’s a decent chance you’re being tilted by a wolf as I was being back on day two by guillo
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:41 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

‘Both of my wolf reads can’t be wolves so one of them must be’ isn’t the basis of a difference check. It’s just the basis to flip town into town.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:40 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Guillotine wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:39 pm
Porscha wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:36 pm
Guillotine wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:35 pm [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Im voting here because why the hell not?

Is it not the reason Golden switched to Scotty?

Not scummy at all
Golden vote on scotty is why you see golden and dizzy as difference check?
No.

I wolf read them individually but they have openly shielded each other that i dont think scum do that to associate each other.
So one of them gotta be scum only
Or, you know, you’re just wolf reading two townies.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:37 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

The answer on guillo is consistently ‘he’s allowed to be as wolfy as he wants and it’s not going to get him elimmed’ which just worries me.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:36 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:36 pm
Golden wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:34 pm Guillo is so effing wolfy I cannot understand why everyone just doesn’t agree.

This is just blatant flip town into town behaviour.
I am very sorry to say, that this is not wolf indicative for Guillo. I'm trying to play around it.
Everyone keeps saying this.

But is it town indicative? What is outside guillos wolfrange?
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:34 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Guillo is so effing wolfy I cannot understand why everyone just doesn’t agree.

This is just blatant flip town into town behaviour.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:33 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Guillotine wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:32 pm We should kill one in Dizzy/Golden because they ate straight up a difference check in my opinion
Why.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:32 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

How about we just don’t kill dizzy at all?
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:30 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Guillotine wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:27 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 6:41 am
Guillotine wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:40 pm Hey between Sig and Hollowkatt, im so spewed not Mod Squad at least
Modsquad dead stop derping.
Then SvS is just scum is he not
SVS is she
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:29 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

At least, popping it in the belief it is probably not lylo is pointless. I recognise ‘we don’t know when lylo is’. IMO lylo is currently at 5 because I think there’s two wolves left balance-wise, but yeah it’s probably dangerous to rely on.

Honestly if there’s three wolves left we’ve lost I think.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:25 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Specifically, the language they used suggests they lose their vest if the situation is lylo which 1) is also true for me and 2) means popping it is pointless.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:24 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:23 pm
Golden wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:22 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:03 pm
Golden wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:26 pm The solve should be, imo

SVS -> Ender/Guillo
Not PC?
PCs claim involved specific language that mirrored my own role that has always made me feel good about them.
This is important to me. Where?
I’m not in a position to find that in this day phase. But, in their role claim where they talked about losing half their heads the first time they’re chopped.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:23 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

I do what the towncore asks here.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:22 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:03 pm
Golden wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:26 pm The solve should be, imo

SVS -> Ender/Guillo
Not PC?
PCs claim involved specific language that mirrored my own role that has always made me feel good about them.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:26 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

BTW in BattleStar Galactica mafia SVS wasa a wolf who couldn't actually be elimmed... they just died once all the rest of the wolves were dead.

I'll lol if that's it again.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:26 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

The solve should be, imo

SVS -> Ender/Guillo
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:23 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

I am 100% thoroughly convinced Dizzy is also town and shouldn't be in the solve btw at this point.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:21 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Party Crasher wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:11 pm Im unsure if its even necessary to have Guillo shoot

There is no world where the mafia actually lets themselves die to him, right?

Im super, super, super paranoid about Guillo somehow getting chopped

There might be more day kills eod, svs might vote him, a random town might make a potato vote, god knows what will happen

Please can we play it safe 😭

-t
I'm open to this but only if this is the overall town perspective.
by Golden
Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:18 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Re me staying on guillo.

The issue is I think guillo will hero shoot me over dizzy.
But the other issue is if you want dizzy dead (I don't think we should) a second voter needs to be on there.

Personally I think we should solve this the old fashioned way but the reason I was actually on guillo was to test his roleclaim.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:47 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:46 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:34 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:37 pm @Golden @EnderWiggin @Porscha @Guillotine @Sloonei do you actually town read PC?

Do you actually town reach each other? If you dont have any complaints then I slam PC today, she flips wolf, I die tonight, Sloonie is town leader tomorrow. Because Then we get SVS or whoever the spew from PC shows as wolf. afterwards
Yeah I do. But in any event I think they’re bulletproof against first elim too (they haven’t said that, this is just my idea of design.)
No, theyve said that
Yeah I’ve subsequently seen that claim.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:35 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:39 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:37 pm I really do think PC is just town. You two tunnelling and thunderdoming isn’t conducive to town win imo
Why though? Honestly. One of us has to go at this point and I dont want it to be me, sure we can get SVS but I think PC is a hit now. If you guys want to go SVS today I am going to back you but I want you to SERIOUSLY consider PC as a wolf here.
No, one of you doesn’t have to go, and if one does I’d rather force wolves to make the call.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:34 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:37 pm @Golden @EnderWiggin @Porscha @Guillotine @Sloonei do you actually town read PC?

Do you actually town reach each other? If you dont have any complaints then I slam PC today, she flips wolf, I die tonight, Sloonie is town leader tomorrow. Because Then we get SVS or whoever the spew from PC shows as wolf. afterwards
Yeah I do. But in any event I think they’re bulletproof against first elim too (they haven’t said that, this is just my idea of design.)
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:37 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

I really do think PC is just town. You two tunnelling and thunderdoming isn’t conducive to town win imo
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:47 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:36 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:27 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:25 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:23 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:17 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:15 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:12 pm
I guess I really am wired different. if I was given that as wolf and PC was my partner I would tank so hard. Like serious over the top level of throwing and have fun with it. Because there was no way I would get wilgy / falcon / sig killed
Even if I townread them I’d never trust myself enough to be sure… the chance they flip wolf is better odds than the knowledge I won’t.
for me its more the maths that PC is not town that its worth resolving me and taking away a 3p/mafia
That I might do (I’d have thrown it to kill Alison eg) but I still read PC as either town or npc anyway.
but lets do the maths as well, 3 town vs 2 town, id rather 2 town die. We should have just gone for the rand deaths.
Nanook knows what he’s doing. That contest was town-bait, objectively no one should have signed up until we discussed who and pushed people into it, but that was never gonna happen.

When I saw the playerlist I immediately thought ‘ok this is probably five town’ lol.

I guess sig was playing with house money because he can still win which explains him signing up despite not being town.
ok if that is true. Then Porscha and PC are just town / not mafia and I need to lay off them. Sloonie, me, you are town as well. who does that leave me with? Ender / SVS / Dizzy / Guillo - so its either.
SVS + Ender, Ender + Dizzy, Ender + Guillo
SVS + Ender, SVS + Dizzy, SVS + Guillo
Dizzy + Ender, Dizzy + SVS, Dizzy + Guillo
Guillo + Ender, Guillo + SVS, Guillo + Dizzy

Removing duplicates:
SVS + Ender, Ender + Dizzy, Ender + Guillo, SVS + Dizzy, SVS + Guillo, Dizzy + Guillo
Which is most likely?

People keep saying guillo is town from the CC but he gave it up pretty fast imho. But he did defend me against PC. But it could be a pocket.
Ender has been the main force of me being read as wolf and hasnt let it go, he also killed Michelle someone who can read him well, I also do not believe he wouldnt read his role carefully and get confused by it. But Nanook is crafty.
SVS is probably just scum here especially after the EOD choice of scotty over her.
Dizzy has made it to late game, dizzy isnt hitting wolves and doing the scum hunting I expect

so SVS + Dizzy is the world I live in atm but I would love to hear what people think of the above
If it’s dizzy he’s pocketed me. Genuinely just oozes gosh to me.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:31 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Yeah svs you WERE way out of character lol. That’s why for ages I was saying things like ‘something isn’t right with svs’ or ‘she’s not on her town game’ because I could tell something was up but I couldn’t work out what exactly.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:29 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

S~V~S wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:27 pm Well that explains why Sig was so hysterical and pushy about chopping me.
Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:19 pm Hey look at that, we can stop worrying about mod squad.

So what does that do for our SVS reads?
Um, I never claimed to be Mod Squad? Quite the opposite, in fact.

TBH, I am pleased to even still be here, I expected to be chopped yesterday, and it was fun engaging in shenanigans that kept me here another day (although maybe not so fun for Scotty). So I'm content to go, but you all need to realize I'm what I claim to be. And chop me as that, not convince yourself I'm bad for whatever reason.

I know it isn't "proof", there is no "proof", nor should there be. But there is something close.

Early in the game, I tried to provoke two people to freak out (sorry not fair, but true). Nanook did not specifically forbid it, and I didn't ask. He didn't give me grief after so I'm guessing it was ok.

First there was Rondo. Based on past experience, I expected him to huff and puff and say *SOMETHING* I could use. But he didn't. He actually seemed a bit abashed, and I felt bad about it.
Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:15 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:20 pm
S~V~S wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:32 pm
Kate wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:40 pm
Scotty wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:36 pm
Kate wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:24 pm

He eats colored pencils!

Reading is fundamental.
oops, you already made the joke for me

Hi Kate!

Do you think Dennis is wolf or town so far?
Town. He doesn't seem nervous at all. He was nervous when he was mafia. Plus with this many people, he'd be more nervous.
OK, this was the post I was talking about earlier.

I was thinking that maybe he might be more comfortable after Cartomancy, he seemed pretty acclimated to Baddiedom by the end of that. I ask you this not becasue I specifically suspect him, but because so many others do.

Why are they wrong? I have to go back and iso him, there's no way i'm gonna catch up by reading the thread in context at this point. Also, what is your feel on Golden? I don't think him townreading you out of the gate is AI, it's something he'd do either way, and I am not a fan of the people who jumped on him for it, but didn't jump on the jillions od posts out there, "Player x, Town". But it didn't autoclear him for me, and I'd like to know what you think.

I am gonna try to come up with a ragged reads list; ragged becasue I don't know lots of people, and don't fully understand their suspicions. Day One is hard. Especially when work is a bitch.
This is a wolfy post fmpov. I have never felt like SVS is one to complain, just get stuck into it. But n=2 so we will see.
Jesus it took me five minutes just to isolate these clips out of the quote text.

You don't know me, you don't know my game. LGM was half a game, and you checked out of Felt. When you subbed into LGM, I was TERRIFIED of you. I almost backed out of Felt when you signed up at the last minute, I found you so frightening (Kate will vouch). In LGM you barked orders, unreasonable hypothetical requests and demands for lists I wasn't prepared to make. And I did all of it, to still be in your POE when I was a civ. I don't know if you thought that was all funny, or what.

Then in Felt you lost your shit when Falcon was lynched, and mostly ghosted the game. So how do you know I don't complain? Becasue i meekly did what you demanded of me, and was too terrified (not your fault by the way, just my reaction to your whole "Rondoness") to tell you to fuck off in LGM, lol? I always try to be polite but even polite people have bad days.

You do you, I am not critisizing you, just explaining where you might have gotten the idea I was a compliant meek person. I am not.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:20 pm
S~V~S wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:23 pm Can someone summarize for me (and maybe all the other catcher uppers) why Dennis has six votes? Like a Cliffs notes lol
Read my ISO, the big wall posts are a big summary of what I think matters D1. But still not complete game encompassing. I want your reads list tyvm
I am reading ISOs alphabetically, I might not get to you until late. I did take Dennis out of order since when I got home he was vote leader, and I don't see what the big issue is, so I am asking people who suspect him to summarize. I plan to read on my own as well, but am asking for some help here, not trying to skirt my homework, Mr DimBuckle, sir.

I do plan on having a list of some kind before EOD, I don't have much else to do except play Mafia today, though. I've mostly heard only the loud voices, today I need to ISO and read the quiet voices.
then I tried to tip my BFF Kate, lol, cause I thought I could (which was also not very nice of me; after this I never bothered trying again). I figured I could push her buttons, but I either tried too hard or I tried too soft. It didn't work, either. I "Jesus Christed" her and then referred to another post she had made about me and the Lost Wolf TMI in a way that was kinda designed to piss her off.

Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:47 pm
Spoiler: show
Kate wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:02 pm
S~V~S wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:52 pm Well, this turned out to not be true.
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:39 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:38 pm I just voted Cape90 on the poll, I was thinking I did it 2 hours ago when I posted about it but apparently nope.

@lucy: can you give me your thoughts on him? (particularly his last read list)
Voting in the thread, but not in the poll.

You're wolfing my dude.
I'm at Friday PM now, and they've put forth their first major ping, Creature.

They got between Sabi and Lucy who were kinda "fuck offing" each other. NAI, Marmot's a person who doesn't love conflict, imo.

Made a soft push towards Dennis, but backed off pretty much immediately. Not sure if this is AI or not?
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:42 pm
nutella wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:40 pm
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:38 pm Something I noticed, Dennis seemed a lot more content talking/joking with Kate, than anyone else itt earlier.

I don't really think that's AI though, unless they're exactly wolf partners together like they were in Cartomancy
i mean i guess that makes sense regardless. i do tr kate and would put some weight on her read of dennis too
(I forgot to add) Dennis was reluctant to sign up for this game given the size.


Why do people scumread Dennis? I missed all of that content.
I did agree with Marmot 100% here, I didn't really see it either. *Waits for someone to yell "Pocketing! TMI!" at me.

Someone earlier said that Marmot and Sabi have a sup0er close relationship? They ask Sabis opinion quite a bit, is this NAI given that?

Here Marmot says he's concerned about Sabi, implying Sabi could be bad. I'm guessing that means the same as "worried"?
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:54 pm I should do some work

bbl

Sabi if you get a chance could you please take respond to my read questions on Creature and sig? Or point me to your explanations if I missed them. I'm a little concerned about you atm, but I also want to give you space to solve and hope I can find you if you're town.
I just pulled this because Mac called them a "flippin merman" which I found hilarious. A bit later Marmot called Mac a "flippin Mermac" which was also hilarious.
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:09 pm
Marmot wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:06 pm I'm not really feeling a Creature vote atm.

Who else should I vote?
why don't you assess the game and choose a nice vote that makes ppl go hoo and has instead of trying to get someone to tell you somewhere to vote you flippin merman

Thanks, I'll try.
He made a few temp votes, made a case on Cape. He wishied, he washied, which is not totally fair, since I did pretty much quite a bit of the same, tbh.

All in all, I was fairly convinced by the bit with Neon (who I had forgotten had been a woof in Holes) who came out of it very civ, marmot not so much.

Gonna [VOTE: Marmot ] aubergine for now, they haven't been in here all day and I'd like to hear what they say.

@Dyslexicon Sure it's fair. I have been flying low, and not playing at the level I am capable of. Plus I know it's cheesy and weak, two things I dislike, especially in myself, but I was a bit overwhelmed by the massiveness of this thread the first few (calendar) days. I tend to be a meta player, and all the people I didn't know flinging suspish at other people I didn't know for reasons I didn't understand kinda made me freeze a bit. I think I'm starting to find my feet, though.

I'm gonna eat dinner and keep reading, bbl.
I'm not sure what she's saying here about Creature, it may be bc I was reading it out of context. Svs, can you clarify?

The only time I've EVER seen svs freeze was not a civ...
I'm addressing this to you, rather than Golden or Scotty, becasue you should know better.

You're looking for Day 3 or 4 SVS here.

You couldn't handle this kind of thread in Cartomancy, yet you seem to think I won't be overwhelmed. Like I'm some sort of super person who won't freeze. Jesus Christ.

You know my game better than anyone. I need meta, and I need to find small things. Which is hard for me in this setting.

Generally I kick into gear when it's time to momma bear, when the wolves fuck with someone I care about. Then I hear that little voice in my ear telling me where to look, how to find them. It was there in the last several games, and it helped me find what I was looking for.

Other than Dennis, who was killed by another townie, I have no idea, or real connection to anyone that was killed. I think most of the people who were killed were killed by town. I haven't found anything to latch on to yet.

And also, I don't fucking know what a Lost Wolf is, it isn't a TMI thing or any other kind of stupid jargon I don't understand. I don't know what it is.

That little voice is not there, and that's OK, I should be able to work without it. And I will, but I need to be given my ground to get my feet. This whole "Oh SVS isn't on fire" or whatever else is ridiculous on Day Two.

Now I have to get in there and see what's what.

If it was up to me, I would keep my vote on Marmot, that's the closest thing to the "little thing" I need to latch onto, the thing he said to Neon. That was such a bad look for him.

But it looks like I'll have to vote to save. Of my esteemed competitors, I felt worse about Sean than Rondo, but that seemed to develop today, and I have to read the case on that.
So i was taking active steps to achieve my win con, and anyone who has played with me before (looking at you Golden) knows these posts are waaaaaay out of character for me.

But as I said, I've had a good run. This was not the ideal role for me since I am prolly the most emo person in this thread. So knock yourselves out and eliminate me.

But know that I'm telling the truth.

BBL in the AM. Have a good night, Happt Mafia Players :)

Also, @Golden, *You* pushed Marmot? lol, please.
Yeah, a lot happened when Mac was building the PoE. One of those things was I isoed marmot and then I pushed him quite hard until his wagon took off and then I backed off and thought I was wrong.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:28 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:26 pm Nanook is just pulling out a bunch of classic psychological games where the prisoners have to trust each other / do nothing and we keep failing. Its frustrating for me after the fact because I know how to win those games.
The reason the games are successful is because people who know how to win the games still fail to play them the way they know they should.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:27 pm
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Topic: Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:25 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:23 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:17 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:15 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:12 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:10 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:02 pm

if you are town, why the hell would you not take the chance to resolve PC? Because you wanted to selfpres or you thought wilgy / falcon / sig were scum? I dont think it was the second one. I think you are mafia who needed to win
I cannot imagine being thrust into that as town and thinking ‘you know what, I should lose this’.
I guess I really am wired different. if I was given that as wolf and PC was my partner I would tank so hard. Like serious over the top level of throwing and have fun with it. Because there was no way I would get wilgy / falcon / sig killed
Even if I townread them I’d never trust myself enough to be sure… the chance they flip wolf is better odds than the knowledge I won’t.
for me its more the maths that PC is not town that its worth resolving me and taking away a 3p/mafia
That I might do (I’d have thrown it to kill Alison eg) but I still read PC as either town or npc anyway.
but lets do the maths as well, 3 town vs 2 town, id rather 2 town die. We should have just gone for the rand deaths.
Nanook knows what he’s doing. That contest was town-bait, objectively no one should have signed up until we discussed who and pushed people into it, but that was never gonna happen.

When I saw the playerlist I immediately thought ‘ok this is probably five town’ lol.

I guess sig was playing with house money because he can still win which explains him signing up despite not being town.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:23 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:17 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:15 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:12 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:10 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:02 pm
Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:48 pm We did a 5 man game of vengeful. Whichever faction lost in the game died in this game
Me and PC wolfed and won
So the other 3 died
if you are town, why the hell would you not take the chance to resolve PC? Because you wanted to selfpres or you thought wilgy / falcon / sig were scum? I dont think it was the second one. I think you are mafia who needed to win
I cannot imagine being thrust into that as town and thinking ‘you know what, I should lose this’.
I guess I really am wired different. if I was given that as wolf and PC was my partner I would tank so hard. Like serious over the top level of throwing and have fun with it. Because there was no way I would get wilgy / falcon / sig killed
Even if I townread them I’d never trust myself enough to be sure… the chance they flip wolf is better odds than the knowledge I won’t.
for me its more the maths that PC is not town that its worth resolving me and taking away a 3p/mafia
That I might do (I’d have thrown it to kill Alison eg) but I still read PC as either town or npc anyway.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:22 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:13 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:04 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:00 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:31 pm You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?
hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.
Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?
I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me
I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.
Why wouldn’t wolf rondo just lie and give you what you want?
at the risk of looking worse. Ender will agree with me that is a dangerous line of thought.
I mean, it’s a dangerous ‘case closed’, but no line of thought in mafia is dangerous if you come to the right conclusions.

I don’t think you look worse, or would feel like you look worse, if you were wolf here by providing a motivation rather than by hinting that the answer is there if only you look. W!rondo would have thought through and known exactly why t!rondo might make this choice, and would have seeded it. You’d have had ages to assess the risk and I think you’d be feeling completely fine about a lie here.

Genuinely I just think this convo plays differently if you’re wolf, even if you don’t give a straight answer.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:16 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:15 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:04 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:00 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:31 pm You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?
hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.
Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?
I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me
I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.
Why wouldn’t wolf rondo just lie and give you what you want?
also such a fucking towny line of thought and defense. I dont think a wolf would have come to bat for me there. Golden, I was starting to eyeball you after the event flip but damn if youve just given me the warm fuzzies. If you're wolf here, you're winning because I am ride or die with you now
I have been saying this since day one.

I am nowhere near my wolf range lol.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:15 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:12 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:10 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:02 pm
Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:48 pm We did a 5 man game of vengeful. Whichever faction lost in the game died in this game
Me and PC wolfed and won
So the other 3 died
if you are town, why the hell would you not take the chance to resolve PC? Because you wanted to selfpres or you thought wilgy / falcon / sig were scum? I dont think it was the second one. I think you are mafia who needed to win
I cannot imagine being thrust into that as town and thinking ‘you know what, I should lose this’.
I guess I really am wired different. if I was given that as wolf and PC was my partner I would tank so hard. Like serious over the top level of throwing and have fun with it. Because there was no way I would get wilgy / falcon / sig killed
Even if I townread them I’d never trust myself enough to be sure… the chance they flip wolf is better odds than the knowledge I won’t.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:11 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:04 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:00 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:31 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:23 pm
Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:33 pm @RondoDimBuckle Why did you choose to target me and Wilgy on Night 1?
for exactly the reason you think
You put all the names in the game into a randomizer?
hahah I love that you think I would do it, but no you outlined something in your investigation post and I wont bring more attention to it than I need to.
Did you deliberately target us, or was it forced on you?
I wont answer this. Youll just have to trust me
I am asking because I am struggling to trust you without an answer.
Why wouldn’t wolf rondo just lie and give you what you want?
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:10 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:02 pm
Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:48 pm We did a 5 man game of vengeful. Whichever faction lost in the game died in this game
Me and PC wolfed and won
So the other 3 died
if you are town, why the hell would you not take the chance to resolve PC? Because you wanted to selfpres or you thought wilgy / falcon / sig were scum? I dont think it was the second one. I think you are mafia who needed to win
I cannot imagine being thrust into that as town and thinking ‘you know what, I should lose this’.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:07 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Dyslexicon wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:45 pm I've never had town flips restore so much hope in me, and now I'm wondering why
The end of a whole non-town faction helps.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:35 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

EnderWiggin wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:33 pm I can't stick around for too long but I'll say S~V~S is a fine wagon, but I don't think it'll flip mafia.

I think my read that S~V~S is 3p is legit.

But clearing a 3p that could mafia-side is fair at this point now Mod Squad is out of the picture.

Rondo/Dizzy/Guillo probably contains last mafia nyeh
Statistically speaking, over 75% are dead and we haven’t had anyone flip 3p, not mod squad yet right?

I mean it could be literally only svs… or svs and pc… but I lean towards no more 3p
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:31 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Dyslexicon wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:30 pm This isn't too bad.

9 players, 2 mafia?

Assuming SVS mafia - NK

7 players, 1 mafia = 3 chops

We got this
Assuming svs dies.
by Golden
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Party Crasher wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:30 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:28 pm Rondo, guillo… that’s a problem for later.
WAIT A FUCKING SECOND

WHEN DID GUILLO CC MAC

if mafia does indeed have a role cop

is it possible that he role copped an existing american town and gotten the notion that this town role exists?

ok, this will depend on svs flip

if svs flips mafia im convinced mafia had a role cop and gave svs that fake claim. theres no world svs makes that fake claim on her own

which will make me reevaluate guillo

-t
Guillo should just be reevaluated on his own merits because there’s no guarantee ‘American soup’ isn’t a thing imo.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:30 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

EnderWiggin wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:15 pm @DrWilgy flips town
@falcon45ca flips town
@sig flips mod squad, third party

Have all died in the event. They flip:


Wilgy:
**Kiwi Townie:**

You're a vanilla town, but with a gun. It's only for self-defense though, you're not a savage. On days you received at least two eod votes, you will reflexively shoot someone that visits you the following night. If multiple people visit you, one will be chosen at random.
Falcon:
**Kiwi Townie:**

You're a vanilla town, but with a gun. It's only for self-defense though, you're not a savage. On days you received at least two eod votes, you will reflexively shoot someone that visits you the following night. If multiple people visit you, one will be chosen at random.
Sig
Redacted lol

The Mod Squad has been eliminated, but it may still achieve its wincon.
On one hand:
Fuck this event for killing my 2 strong townreads.

On the other hand:
I was right about all three lmao.

Fuck all y'all that were disagreeing with my read that Sig wasn't town.
To be fair my read was really just ‘not wolf’.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:28 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Rondo, guillo… that’s a problem for later.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:28 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Party Crasher wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:27 pm my theory:

SVS has a shield because the soup kill (or just 2 day kills) were encapsulated onto her role

Rondo is a mafia role cop

He peeked Hkatt and found out that Hkatt is the role SVS claimed. SVS copy pasted the claim

-t
SVS -> *something* is still the right path I think.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:27 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:22 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:20 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:19 pm That resolves Sloonei as town.
Only if we believe Rondo.
Do you believe rondo?
Idk. He hasn't answered my questions yet. He took my big post about his claim as a defense rather than an Investigation.
Yeah so you’re town lol.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:25 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

My rainbow list:

Always town

Porscha
Dizzy
Sloonei

Usually town

Party crasher
Rondo
Ender

Decent wolf equity

Guillo
Svs

~~~~~~~~~~~

For me that’s where the game is at. I’d understand a rondo flip but I don’t agree that it’s more than tinfoil.

For me the solve of this game feels clear from here.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:21 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Dyslexicon wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:20 pm We should probably just flip SVS then
Yeah.

And my bad yesterday for not doing it.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:21 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Sloonei wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:20 pm
Golden wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:19 pm That resolves Sloonei as town.
Only if we believe Rondo.
Do you believe rondo?
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:20 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Porscha wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:19 pm I'm gonna throw up lmao I'm glad I was onto sig at least but now I have to deal with tinfoiling guillo
Guillo is just wolf and we should deal with that imo.

Time for me to rainbow list.
by Golden
Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:19 pm
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Re: Game of Champions 2022 D5

Party Crasher wrote: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:19 pm sig was probably anti-toxicity mod squad?

alison was maybe toxic to someone?

-t
Meh I just think your theory is wrong.

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