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Participants (Listed Alphabetically):
acrosstheaether
Bass_the_Clever
birdwithteeth11
Black Rock
Dom
Dragon D. Luffy
Elohcin
Epignosis
fingersplints
G-Man
Golden
JaggedJimmyJay
Metalmarsh89
MovingPictures07
Roxy
sanmateo
Sloonei
TinyBubbles
Turnip Head
ALARM BELLS.fingersplints wrote:So I'm a bit torn on MP. I think that the thing that bothers me the most is actually that I feel like a lot of his posts have a "tell me why I'm bad" demanding vibe going on, and I associate that more with a baddie. The timing thing doesn't bother me (although I totes get where Epi is coming from - it could be he just didn't want to answer that question hoping it would be forgotten) and although I think the Gman thing is weird I don't think makes him bad. The same thing could be pointed out about MP - why even bring up the question of if it is faked when it would draw so much attention for it.
Golden and TH are also bothering me by their different play but I'm not sure it makes either bad necessarily.
BR is still my biggest suspect for defending MP and then saying she wasn't defending him. I will probably be voting there.
I be a pirate marmot.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
" no u"MovingPictures07 wrote:ALARM BELLS.fingersplints wrote:So I'm a bit torn on MP. I think that the thing that bothers me the most is actually that I feel like a lot of his posts have a "tell me why I'm bad" demanding vibe going on, and I associate that more with a baddie. The timing thing doesn't bother me (although I totes get where Epi is coming from - it could be he just didn't want to answer that question hoping it would be forgotten) and although I think the Gman thing is weird I don't think makes him bad. The same thing could be pointed out about MP - why even bring up the question of if it is faked when it would draw so much attention for it.
Golden and TH are also bothering me by their different play but I'm not sure it makes either bad necessarily.
BR is still my biggest suspect for defending MP and then saying she wasn't defending him. I will probably be voting there.
You are my new suspect.
Will elaborate fully when I don't have only like 2 minutes away from class.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
I'm not surprised by their reads although I don't agree seem to agree with most of them.
Golden wrote:RL stuff should be off limits as far as gameplay goes.
Off-limits, you say?Golden wrote:I really am simply having trouble keeping up while being extremely busy doing many things. I have had long days and not many nights at home this week. Boss resigned, more work. Pastor resigned, more preaching. Wife becomes a manager, has to deal with her first employee warning, needs some of my time and attention, plus yesterday I spent more of my time finalising my BSG game to submit in the poll than reading the game. You'll see me get more 'golden-like' (by which I assume he means fierce) when I see something I think looks bad.
MovingPictures07, who, as a Weasel, posted these in Roger Rabbit:Golden wrote:I'm just frustrated with ridiculata contributing to lynches of people like MP and you for that matter. I think Epi knows better than to push the buttons he pushed right then. As far as "what academic paper are you reading" goes... it's just an unhelpful question and exactly what I'm calling out by the term 'wall of text'.Metalmarsh89 wrote:If MovingPictures07 felt that it should be off-limits, he should have said so.
Perhaps I don't really mean off-limits off-limits. But I think it was calculated to send MP to the brink, and I don't like the vibe of that calculation.
In that game MP said "this is literally all the reply I can conduct for now" (because of real life obligations), but he posts several more times after this. That means he deceptively uses real life to garner sympathy, even if he claims he won't do that.MovingPictures07 wrote:Ugh, WTF. Guys! I swear it's not me! I have no idea where this is coming from, but clearly someone is being fooled HARD and it's not by me. I haven't been around as much because I've been much busier, and I've contributed to this game in every possible way I can. I don't know what's going on, but I sent a message to Sophie last night, believing her chances to be BH to be substantial, so if this has to do with some detective work, then all of you are wrong. I can't believe you didn't even wait to hear back from me first before just voting; that's absolutely ridiculous and convinces me that either Canuck or splints are pulling a baddie move. The fact that one of you could be the real baddie and kept me around long enough for this explicit purpose is just alarming to me.
I'm tempted to vote Canuck, but I don't know what to do. I have homework I absolutely HAVE to get done this morning, so this is literally all the reply I can conduct for now. I have been busy with Smashfest and spending every bit I can with Daisy because she's been in town for the weekend, and I'm struggling to catch up on homework due to my midterm this past Wednesday. Will someone please actually let me defend myself? What the hell is the point of early voting?
This is so frustrating.
MP, who fakes emotional breakdowns, who excuses himself using real life, who brags often about switching a lynch to himself to score the win in WWE...MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, that was a weird catchup. I will admit to still being mentally and emotionally overexhausted due to recent events in my life all around (hosting Death Note, starting a new game, microeconomic theory midterm, being away from my fiance, and just other PhD work in general), so don't expect any amazing revelations from me, but nonetheless I do have some thoughts.
I know I have only played one game with you, but I think you are acting more reserved this game for sure. And, I do like TH's case on you so far.Golden wrote:Off-perception of my meta. I don't think the idea that I'm off-meta is accurate, but I can at least understand that people find the games when I'm loudest most memorable, and I don't think genuinely perceiving me that way is unusual.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:this might be called a slight backtrack. he doesn't understand TH's methods but grants some degree of validity to the assertion that he is off-meta in this game. i wouldn't know either way about his meta. this is a very minor ping if a ping at all though.
I'm glad to see TH is here. I want him to respond to some of the points I've made.
Maybe the "new MP" is the kind of player that unreservedly defends his partners on day 1 instead of throwing them under the bus on day 1 like he used toJaggedJimmyJay wrote:
it's important i think that MP has ranked DDL as his #1 town read (more than once). he hasn't just defended DDL blankly with very vague comments like Bass and others did. he made a bold Day 1 assertion that the thread's Public Enemy #1 was his biggest town read. and those of you who criticized MP for raising the possibility of a WIFOM gambit re: G-Man, i ask this:
what does a mafia MP07 gain from taking this strong town stance on DDL throughout this phase? it's an important distinction -- vague or soft defenses are legitimately suspicious, but MP's hasn't been that at all. one might assert that he is protecting a mafia team mate, but then the theory immediately becomes more far-fetched (because two players are being called mafia together before either of them has flipped). if someone feels MP OR DDL is mafia, then that player must grant that a mafia MP would then be making every effort to prevent the lynch of a townie on Day 1. and that would be definitive WIFOM.
And then that last quote there. I think I would be okay voting Golden or MP today.Black Rock wrote:I don't understand. You think MP is bad but won't vote for him because Epi called him a liar?Golden wrote:I think you shanked MP.Epignosis wrote:I want to vote either DDL or MP at this juncture.
However, I would like to know
what the other players are thinking about these two.
I actually think he could be bad, but I'm not going to vote for him after that. I think I'll likely vote for you, your attitude reminds me a lot of the way you took to Blindfaeth in keeler.
RL stuff should be off limits as far as gameplay goes.
You say this, but you give no reasons as to why you think I could be bad. I understand how you can be having a hard time distinguishing between those of us that are new to you, but I think it is telling that you are only eyeing those of us that are new to you. What I am saying is.....I think you are jumping the gun. I think you are eyeing us just b/c you don't know. I encourage you to take your time and read more of what I have to say before throwing my name into the mix just b/c you don't know me. FWIW, this does not make me eye you.Sloonei wrote: Most of this site's regulars have been, unfortunately, blending together for me so far, though I'm starting to get better at distinguishing y'all individually. I'm sure you're all having the same trouble with us newbies. It's hard to learn new names and personalities while also trying to decide which of those are honest or not. BUT right now I think my top suspects are Bass_the_Clever, Elohcin, and Golden (roughly in that order), but nothing feels too firm at the moment.
G-Man wrote:
Hmmmmm....fingersplints wrote:So I'm a bit torn on MP. I think that the thing that bothers me the most is actually that I feel like a lot of his posts have a "tell me why I'm bad" demanding vibe going on, and I associate that more with a baddie. The timing thing doesn't bother me (although I totes get where Epi is coming from - it could be he just didn't want to answer that question hoping it would be forgotten) and although I think the Gman thing is weird I don't think makes him bad. The same thing could be pointed out about MP - why even bring up the question of if it is faked when it would draw so much attention for it.
Golden and TH are also bothering me by their different play but I'm not sure it makes either bad necessarily.
BR is still my biggest suspect for defending MP and then saying she wasn't defending him. I will probably be voting there.
My reason was with my vote.birdwithteeth11 wrote:Still catching up from last night, but my opinion of Epig is currently "WTF?!" with him going after MP for RL stuff happening. I believe MP in that he was distracted from some of his academic endeavors last night and was spending more time in this thread, thus leading to some of his quicker responses. Still catching up and then will post more.
Also hoping I eventually get to a response from MM about his drive-by vote for Golden.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
How is that a cop out? There are plenty of other players I am not decided on, but they aren't being talked about. MP was, so I commented that what was the current suspicions being raised about him aren't what I find the most suspicious from him.birdwithteeth11 wrote:Hmmmmm....fingersplints wrote:So I'm a bit torn on MP. I think that the thing that bothers me the most is actually that I feel like a lot of his posts have a "tell me why I'm bad" demanding vibe going on, and I associate that more with a baddie. The timing thing doesn't bother me (although I totes get where Epi is coming from - it could be he just didn't want to answer that question hoping it would be forgotten) and although I think the Gman thing is weird I don't think makes him bad. The same thing could be pointed out about MP - why even bring up the question of if it is faked when it would draw so much attention for it.
Golden and TH are also bothering me by their different play but I'm not sure it makes either bad necessarily.
BR is still my biggest suspect for defending MP and then saying she wasn't defending him. I will probably be voting there.
Cop out much with MP?
fingersplints wrote:Gman thinks Elo should hit Epi with that paddle? :O
I meant it was a cop out because it seems like you're covering your tracks if you decide not to vote for him, or do and he flips civ.fingersplints wrote:How is that a cop out? There are plenty of other players I am not decided on, but they aren't being talked about. MP was, so I commented that what was the current suspicions being raised about him aren't what I find the most suspicious from him.birdwithteeth11 wrote:Hmmmmm....fingersplints wrote:So I'm a bit torn on MP. I think that the thing that bothers me the most is actually that I feel like a lot of his posts have a "tell me why I'm bad" demanding vibe going on, and I associate that more with a baddie. The timing thing doesn't bother me (although I totes get where Epi is coming from - it could be he just didn't want to answer that question hoping it would be forgotten) and although I think the Gman thing is weird I don't think makes him bad. The same thing could be pointed out about MP - why even bring up the question of if it is faked when it would draw so much attention for it.
Golden and TH are also bothering me by their different play but I'm not sure it makes either bad necessarily.
BR is still my biggest suspect for defending MP and then saying she wasn't defending him. I will probably be voting there.
Cop out much with MP?
Why do you find this behavior suspicious? I thought it was an honest and simple attempt at clarification by BR.fingersplints wrote:BR is still my biggest suspect for defending MP and then saying she wasn't defending him. I will probably be voting there.
thank you, yes that's what i wantedMovingPictures07 wrote:Sloonei, you asked how to link posts? Sorry I missed it earlier. Just click the "Re: Death and Taxes" part of a post and it'll give you the URL, then you can copy and paste that into your reply. I hope that's what you meant.
I'm running out of time, but still want to post my current Rainbow List, so it's coming, but it'll seem a bit rushed perhaps.
why them over elohcin or epi?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Might be my only chance to vote at work before the deadline.
Voting for Bass_the_Clever
I do have some reasons, and imll point to them later. But I also think what you said could very well be true. I'm working much harder to developmreads on you guys because a) I'm familar with the players I know and don't need to work as hard, and B) I want to develop a sense of who each player is individually as fast as I can.Elohcin wrote:You say this, but you give no reasons as to why you think I could be bad. I understand how you can be having a hard time distinguishing between those of us that are new to you, but I think it is telling that you are only eyeing those of us that are new to you. What I am saying is.....I think you are jumping the gun. I think you are eyeing us just b/c you don't know. I encourage you to take your time and read more of what I have to say before throwing my name into the mix just b/c you don't know me. FWIW, this does not make me eye you.Sloonei wrote: Most of this site's regulars have been, unfortunately, blending together for me so far, though I'm starting to get better at distinguishing y'all individually. I'm sure you're all having the same trouble with us newbies. It's hard to learn new names and personalities while also trying to decide which of those are honest or not. BUT right now I think my top suspects are Bass_the_Clever, Elohcin, and Golden (roughly in that order), but nothing feels too firm at the moment.
I have less conviction for my suspicion of Eloh than the other two. With Epi i can at least ask myself "is it necessary for mafia Epi to carry on this much to get a townie lynched?" and be given a little pause. Because normally townies do a nice job lynching each other on Day 1 without any veiled mafia guidance.sanmateo wrote:why them over elohcin or epi?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Might be my only chance to vote at work before the deadline.
Voting for Bass_the_Clever
I disagree with JJJ on that one. I could see baddie Epig try and pull such a move. If we were a few cycles later, I'd give this much more consideration. But for now, I still think Bass is a stronger choice.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have less conviction for my suspicion of Eloh than the other two. With Epi i can at least ask myself "is it necessary for mafia Epi to carry on this much to get a townie lynched?" and be given a little pause. Because normally townies do a nice job lynching each other on Day 1 without any veiled mafia guidance.sanmateo wrote:why them over elohcin or epi?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Might be my only chance to vote at work before the deadline.
Voting for Bass_the_Clever
I also think Bass is more likely to be lynched than the other two considering the progression of the thread lately.
This isn't a NO U, especially since you visibly say that "I'm torn" on MP and that you "don't think it makes him bad", as above. I love how you waited for me to explain before denouncing whatever I could possibly come up with as a NO U. It's not that you talked about me only that I suspect you, it's what you've said, but also what you've failed to say. Also, it's VERY ironic that you claim NO U on me here. More on that in a bit.fingersplints wrote:" no u"MovingPictures07 wrote:ALARM BELLS.fingersplints wrote:So I'm a bit torn on MP. I think that the thing that bothers me the most is actually that I feel like a lot of his posts have a "tell me why I'm bad" demanding vibe going on, and I associate that more with a baddie. The timing thing doesn't bother me (although I totes get where Epi is coming from - it could be he just didn't want to answer that question hoping it would be forgotten) and although I think the Gman thing is weird I don't think makes him bad. The same thing could be pointed out about MP - why even bring up the question of if it is faked when it would draw so much attention for it.
Golden and TH are also bothering me by their different play but I'm not sure it makes either bad necessarily.
BR is still my biggest suspect for defending MP and then saying she wasn't defending him. I will probably be voting there.
You are my new suspect.
Will elaborate fully when I don't have only like 2 minutes away from class.
Lol alright MP
How did this explanation not satisfy you? Can you elaborate? Again, you're vague.Black Rock wrote:
I will explain my MP post. Yes it does look like a defense. I don't consider it a defense because I was just stating fact as I seen it. I often don't explain everything going on in my mind, I like to keep my cards close to the vest. I only commented on it because I thought Elohcin's reasoning was off and it pinged me. I was waiting to see more before I announced her as a suspicion. I am very surprised that Splints thought I was suspicious because of this. She knows my play style better than most people playing this game. I'll be watching her as well.
This is flawed logic at best, Epi.Epignosis wrote:Golden wrote:RL stuff should be off limits as far as gameplay goes.Off-limits, you say?Golden wrote:I really am simply having trouble keeping up while being extremely busy doing many things. I have had long days and not many nights at home this week. Boss resigned, more work. Pastor resigned, more preaching. Wife becomes a manager, has to deal with her first employee warning, needs some of my time and attention, plus yesterday I spent more of my time finalising my BSG game to submit in the poll than reading the game. You'll see me get more 'golden-like' (by which I assume he means fierce) when I see something I think looks bad.
MovingPictures07, who, as a Weasel, posted these in Roger Rabbit:Golden wrote:I'm just frustrated with ridiculata contributing to lynches of people like MP and you for that matter. I think Epi knows better than to push the buttons he pushed right then. As far as "what academic paper are you reading" goes... it's just an unhelpful question and exactly what I'm calling out by the term 'wall of text'.Metalmarsh89 wrote:If MovingPictures07 felt that it should be off-limits, he should have said so.
Perhaps I don't really mean off-limits off-limits. But I think it was calculated to send MP to the brink, and I don't like the vibe of that calculation.
In that game MP said "this is literally all the reply I can conduct for now" (because of real life obligations), but he posts several more times after this. That means he deceptively uses real life to garner sympathy, even if he claims he won't do that.MovingPictures07 wrote:Ugh, WTF. Guys! I swear it's not me! I have no idea where this is coming from, but clearly someone is being fooled HARD and it's not by me. I haven't been around as much because I've been much busier, and I've contributed to this game in every possible way I can. I don't know what's going on, but I sent a message to Sophie last night, believing her chances to be BH to be substantial, so if this has to do with some detective work, then all of you are wrong. I can't believe you didn't even wait to hear back from me first before just voting; that's absolutely ridiculous and convinces me that either Canuck or splints are pulling a baddie move. The fact that one of you could be the real baddie and kept me around long enough for this explicit purpose is just alarming to me.
I'm tempted to vote Canuck, but I don't know what to do. I have homework I absolutely HAVE to get done this morning, so this is literally all the reply I can conduct for now. I have been busy with Smashfest and spending every bit I can with Daisy because she's been in town for the weekend, and I'm struggling to catch up on homework due to my midterm this past Wednesday. Will someone please actually let me defend myself? What the hell is the point of early voting?
This is so frustrating.
MP, who fakes emotional breakdowns, who excuses himself using real life, who brags often about switching a lynch to himself to score the win in WWE...MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, that was a weird catchup. I will admit to still being mentally and emotionally overexhausted due to recent events in my life all around (hosting Death Note, starting a new game, microeconomic theory midterm, being away from my fiance, and just other PhD work in general), so don't expect any amazing revelations from me, but nonetheless I do have some thoughts.
...won't lie about real life?
And I'm suspicious for putting him under a microscope?
You a damn fool.
What in the fucking world gives you reason to believe I'm lying about my RL and that no one else is?Elohcin wrote:Maybe the "new MP" is the kind of player that unreservedly defends his partners on day 1 instead of throwing them under the bus on day 1 like he used toJaggedJimmyJay wrote:
it's important i think that MP has ranked DDL as his #1 town read (more than once). he hasn't just defended DDL blankly with very vague comments like Bass and others did. he made a bold Day 1 assertion that the thread's Public Enemy #1 was his biggest town read. and those of you who criticized MP for raising the possibility of a WIFOM gambit re: G-Man, i ask this:
what does a mafia MP07 gain from taking this strong town stance on DDL throughout this phase? it's an important distinction -- vague or soft defenses are legitimately suspicious, but MP's hasn't been that at all. one might assert that he is protecting a mafia team mate, but then the theory immediately becomes more far-fetched (because two players are being called mafia together before either of them has flipped). if someone feels MP OR DDL is mafia, then that player must grant that a mafia MP would then be making every effort to prevent the lynch of a townie on Day 1. and that would be definitive WIFOM.
I have seen Epi catch people on timing issues/RL lies before. I have seen players lie to me about RL issues and lie to the thread about RL issues. IN BTSC in other games, I have been encouraged to lie about RL issues in order to make myself appear more civ. I do think that is wrong. Unlike Epi, I will bring up RL. I can't separate it so easily. I love my family, my kids, and I want to share them with whoever will care to listen. BUT, I will not lie about them or my RL issues in order to appear more civ. Okay...off my soap box. So I do think Epi could be on to something. And b/c of that, maybe I was onto something too with MP's cheerful attitude. Maybe he was very excited to be a baddie in his first game back on the syndicate
It isn't logic at all. They are observations.MovingPictures07 wrote:This is flawed logic at best, Epi.
They're as bullshit observations as those leveraged against me in Keeler when people said something to the effect of "MP posted and voted in the poll 10 minutes later after he said he didn't have time to catch up just yet, he must have BTSC!"Epignosis wrote:It isn't logic at all. They are observations.MovingPictures07 wrote:This is flawed logic at best, Epi.
Why do you fail to recognize my counterpoints?Epignosis wrote:It isn't logic at all. They are observations.MovingPictures07 wrote:This is flawed logic at best, Epi.
....Epignosis wrote:Read this post and tell me you don't lie about real life.
You hosted this game. You fucking know why I was making stuff up that game.Epignosis wrote:Secrets
Mr. Lucas
Always late! *Secret*
Whenever Mr. Lucas misses an even-hour vote, he must make a ridiculous apology to the thread during the following odd hour. If he can get three or more people to discuss why he was late, he can be nosy that same hour and role check.
Dude.MovingPictures07 wrote:....Epignosis wrote:Read this post and tell me you don't lie about real life.
Are you fucking KIDDING me?
You're a troll.
You hosted this game. You fucking know why I was making stuff up that game.Epignosis wrote:Secrets
Mr. Lucas
Always late! *Secret*
Whenever Mr. Lucas misses an even-hour vote, he must make a ridiculous apology to the thread during the following odd hour. If he can get three or more people to discuss why he was late, he can be nosy that same hour and role check.
Why are you riling me up?
My AYBS? post was my way of trying to get you to lighten up.MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm done making myself look like a crazy person because you've topped the list of ultimate bullshit accusations against me. Congratulations. You win. I am seriously leaving now. This is upsetting.
Okay, I understand. That obviously wasn't clear.Epignosis wrote:My AYBS? post was my way of trying to get you to lighten up.MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm done making myself look like a crazy person because you've topped the list of ultimate bullshit accusations against me. Congratulations. You win. I am seriously leaving now. This is upsetting.
However, you being upset (or pretending to be upset) in a game doesn't move me and never will. That was the entire point of my Roger Rabbit observations: You've cried wolf before.
I don't understand why you keep pursuing this to the end of time, and the reason I didn't catch your AYBS reference as a joke is because you've been pushing an absurd to the max argument the entire time.MovingPictures07 wrote:
This is flawed logic at best, Epi.
First off, I never lie about RL. I often say that I am busy regardless of alignment or that I'm about to leave the thread but make replies anyway. That's not lying about RL or any of the conditions that I am saying.
Second, I didn't lie about any of my RL in Roger Rabbit. Fact. I only brought it up a lot as an excuse for my behavior of my own free will (which leads us to...)
Third, and most importantly, Roger Rabbit I relied heavily on RL as a last resort defense against an onslaught of accusations, never prompted. Here, I responded to something you said, and you inquired why it took me 20 minutes to respond. I therefore asked your question, which inevitably relied on RL, to provide context. I'm not relying on RL aggressively as a defense. These are two completely different circumstances that I can't believe you don't recognize. Either you recognize it and you're trying to get me riled up or you don't recognize it and you're trying to get an easy lynch out of me, which every regular on this site knows could happen.
I keep people posted on my RL often because there are insane expectations of my posting habits that are established. For example, I have spent almost literally every single minute of free time I've had the past few days on this game as well as obviously procrastinated work I should be doing; that is the only reason I've been able to keep up my normally aggressive high posting habits.
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