GAME OVER: BLUE vs. RED

#1151

Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:He wants me dead, that's why. Does he want anybody else dead?
What do you think about the second part of this question?
He isn't going for anybody else.
It appears as if he has just one suspect, that's my point.
You've lost me. He has one suspect. Nobody is disputing that.

I don't understand why you're defending a player who has one single suspect: you, while also asserting that you're the only player who should want him dead.

#1152

Marmot wrote: I don't understand why you're defending a player who has one single suspect: you, while also asserting that you're the only player who should want him dead.

I didn't assert I'm the only player who should want him dead.

I said, "If anyone has motive to lynch him, it's me."

#1153

God, my typos have been off tge wazoo since I've started using this new phone

#1154

DrWilgy has been following people's votes like a lost puppy.

#1155

Epignosis wrote:DrWilgy has been following people's votes like a lost puppy.

Least I'm cute.

#1156

Epignosis wrote:DrWilgy has been following people's votes like a lost puppy.

What does DrWilgy have to gain by doing this if he's mafia?

#1157

It's March 7, and Epignosis is the only player on this site to win a game as mafia this year.

Let's keep it that way!!! Go team!

#1158

Marmot wrote:It's March 7, and Epignosis is the only player on this site to win a game as mafia this year.

Let's keep it that way!!! Go team!

Didn't Zebra win Vocaroo as well?

#1159

DrWilgy wrote:
Marmot wrote:It's March 7, and Epignosis is the only player on this site to win a game as mafia this year.

Let's keep it that way!!! Go team!
Didn't Zebra win Vocaroo as well?

Apparently not.

#1160

Epignosis wrote:I'm about to pull my hair out.

Stop lynching people for doing things that are weird, inconsistent, unhelpful, or that you just don't like.

Tell me what they have to gain by doing what they do IF THEY ARE MAFIA.

If you are voting notsawyer, explain to me why he did what he did as mafia.

I've explained my vote in the terms you ask. I didn't vote for him because he was weird. I voted for him because he has done things that mafia do more than civilians do them.

#1161

Right now, DF and Floyd are both voting for notsawyer. Their votes are weighted with the most value, so unless they change their minds, he's going down.

#1162

Hey guys. I was pretty busy yesterday, so I apologize for not getting a chance to reply to everything. I had three votes when I checked in briefly yesterday and now I have four (two of those weighted heavily against me), so I want to do my best to help out before I'm lynched. It's gonna take me some time to gather all my responses together, so bear with me. I didn't ignore things yesterday, I just didn't have time to respond adequately and was checking in as a courtesy.

While I was on my long, boring commute home yesterday I was doing some thinking about how nobody has supported me in the case of notsawyer vs.Epi, so I'll be casting my tunnel vision aside while I gather my thoughts on everyone. Don't be surprised if I end up voting for someone else today.

#1163

Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:DrWilgy has been following people's votes like a lost puppy.
What does DrWilgy have to gain by doing this if he's mafia?

I note a number of reasons (provides the appearance of open-mindedness, keeps him from taking any hard stances), but Wilgy is one of those rare individuals where a consideration of strategic advantages probably isn't going to be fruitful.

#1164

notsawyer540 wrote:Hey guys. I was pretty busy yesterday, so I apologize for not getting a chance to reply to everything. I had three votes when I checked in briefly yesterday and now I have four (two of those weighted heavily against me), so I want to do my best to help out before I'm lynched. It's gonna take me some time to gather all my responses together, so bear with me. I didn't ignore things yesterday, I just didn't have time to respond adequately and was checking in as a courtesy.

While I was on my long, boring commute home yesterday I was doing some thinking about how nobody has supported me in the case of notsawyer vs.Epi, so I'll be casting my tunnel vision aside while I gather my thoughts on everyone. Don't be surprised if I end up voting for someone else today.

You didn't support me either.

#1165

Before I get started, I decided to illustrate how much (little) each of our votes count.

To start, I created the unit of measurement we'll call the "Floyd" unit.

7 Floyd posts over 7 Floyd posts gives one Floyd unit.

Dfaraday: .37 Floyds
Dr. Wilgy: .06 Floyds
Epignosis: .03 Floyds
LC: .06 Floyds
Mac: .09 Floyds
Marmot: .05 Floyds
Myself: .13 Floyds
Quin: .07 Floyds
llama: .07 Floyds

Total (excluding Floyd): .93 Floyds.

We couldn't lynch Floyd if all of us agreed to vote for him. Mac's vote against him is irrelevant.

#1166

notsawyer540 wrote:Before I get started, I decided to illustrate how much (little) each of our votes count.

To start, I created the unit of measurement we'll call the "Floyd" unit.

7 Floyd posts over 7 Floyd posts gives one Floyd unit.

Dfaraday: .37 Floyds
Dr. Wilgy: .06 Floyds
Epignosis: .03 Floyds
LC: .06 Floyds
Mac: .09 Floyds
Marmot: .05 Floyds
Myself: .13 Floyds
Quin: .07 Floyds
llama: .07 Floyds

Total (excluding Floyd): .93 Floyds.

We couldn't lynch Floyd if all of us agreed to vote for him. Mac's vote against him is irrelevant.

Where do you get your information? I imagined it something like this:

Epignosis - 0.25
Marmot - 0.25
Long Con - 0.5
DrWilgy - 0.5
thellama73 - 1
Quin - 1
MacDougall - 2
notsawyer540 - 2
DFaraday - 3
TheFloyd73 - 3

... where the number is the value of their vote.

Or it could be a hundred other ways.

#1167

Since speculation over vote weight has occurred, I'd like to clear things up for you. At the end of Night 3, all living player's post counts were recorded. Here are the percentages for the 10 of you:

Epignosis = 22.93%
Marmot = 12.61%
Long Con = 12.24%
DrWilgy = 11.88%
Llama = 11.64%
Quin = 11.16%
MacDougall = 8.88%
notsawyer540 = 5.88%
Dfaraday = 2.04%
Floyd = 0.72%

There are 10 votes between you all, so those 10 votes were broken up proportionally according to the percentages above and reallocated in reverse order. (i.e. Floyd's vote is worth Epi's post-count percentages multiplied by 10, and so on)

Epignosis = 0.0720 votes
Marmot = 0.2041 votes
Long Con = 0.5882 votes
DrWilgy = 0.8884 votes
Llama = 1.1164 votes
Quin = 1.1645 votes
MacDougall = 1.1885 votes
notsawyer540 = 1.2245 votes
Dfaraday = 1.2605 votes
Floyd = 2.2929 votes

#1168

So notsawyer has 5.83 votes right now, basically.

#1169

The good news is that a tie isn't likely to happen.

#1170

This is... unfortunate. I wished to provode an opportunity for vote movement but I don't think that will be the case anymore.

A shame.

#1171

Epignosis wrote:I want to know the following from everybody:

1. Where you stand on notsawyer and why.

2. Where you stand on Marmot and why.

3. Where you stand on Floyd and why.

4. Where you stand on DFaraday and why.

5. Where you stand on Quin and why.

6. Where you stand on thellama73 and why.

7. Where you stand on Long Con and why.

You get the idea. If I left you out, it wasn't personal.

Start talking. Tell me why you're good. Tell me why others are bad. Go.

1. notsawyer - Vanilla town read to me. The back and forth stuff with Epi didn't gain him any favor.

He has a bad habit of sinking his teeth in like a pitbull and not letting go, but he's been advocating lynching baddies and showing good initiative.

2. Marmot - Despite the fact that he has way more posts than me, I never really seem to notice them. That could something about the content of his posts, but it could also say something about my attention span. i'll have to search his posts in topic and give them a quick read.

3. Floyd - 7 posts by day 4 and he controls the vote. He's going to kill me today, and when I flip civ he's going to have to face some questions he won't be around to answer. Seems a bit shifty to me, but not enough to where I would vote for him.

4. Dfaraday - He tried to talk some sense into me vis a vis Epi:

Dfaraday wrote: Clearly enough people agreed with him to not lynch Jack right away, so this feels like you're trying to shift the blame onto Epi.

It just took me a long drive to start thinking about it. The only other things I know about him are that he randomized a vote for me on day 1 and he almost got lynched on day 1 or 2.

5. Quin - Called me out from the get-go for being myself and then sunk into the shadows for a while after he lost that argument, only to reemerge when it was clear I would be up for lynch. Definitely sets off alarm bells. If you go back to Parks and Rec mafia and look at Leslie Knope's posts, I made a lot of posts like the one Quin went after in this game. I also got lynched on day 4 and flipped civ.

Quin is definitely on my list.

6. llama - Not feeling too great about this one either. In my limited experience, I've found that the second person to jump on something is usually more likely to be the bad one, and llama did that when Quin called me out. Llama has also not been contributing very much and hasn't provided anything new to the hunt. Slightly worse than Quin imo.

7. LC - I called him out before and he ignored it, which is never a good sign, but he seems to be patient and non-opportunistic. I think he knows more than he lets on, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Leaning civ on him.

8. Epi - I've warmed a bit to Epi, but not enough to say civ read. I went on the attack recently because I was convinced I was right about Epi, but looking back I just got tunnel vision. Some of my points still stand and I don't believe the Eloh argument. Just because you haven't done something before doesn't mean you won't do it now.

9. Wilgy - Was my primary suspect before the whole thing with Epi. Still not sure on him. He wasn't hesitant to correct me on his involvement with the lynching of SVS, but he also tried to correct me on the argument about whether or not to lynch Jack and when I went back to look at the posts, he was wrong--but it was really just splitting hairs. Mostly neutral on him with a slight baddie lean.

10. Mac - My top suspect. Day 1 he voted for me without explanation right when the vote was going to end, despite having voiced suspicion for Jack. Then when Jack was revealed, Mac tried to get himself a known-civ status until people shut that down. If he was so good that he tone-read Jack on day 1, why didn't he vote that way? I think he was mafia throwing out an accusation against another person so that when that person flipped bad he could go back and say he called it on day 1. Mac will be getting my vote today.

If I missed anyone, please let me know. And if there's anything I haven't addressed, let me know that too. I was hoping to do more here, but I have a paper and a bunch of reading that need done and I really don't have time to do digging.

My rainbow list:

Mac
Llama
Quin
Floyd
Epi
Wilgy
Dfaraday
Marmot
LC
notsawyer

#1172

I would prefer it if notsawyer did not get lynched today.

#1173

G-Man wrote:Since speculation over vote weight has occurred, I'd like to clear things up for you. At the end of Night 3, all living player's post counts were recorded. Here are the percentages for the 10 of you:

Epignosis = 22.93%
Marmot = 12.61%
Long Con = 12.24%
DrWilgy = 11.88%
Llama = 11.64%
Quin = 11.16%
MacDougall = 8.88%
notsawyer540 = 5.88%
Dfaraday = 2.04%
Floyd = 0.72%
There are 10 votes between you all, so those 10 votes were broken up proportionally according to the percentages above and reallocated in reverse order. (i.e. Floyd's vote is worth Epi's post-count percentages multiplied by 10, and so on)

Epignosis = 0.0720 votes
Marmot = 0.2041 votes
Long Con = 0.5882 votes
DrWilgy = 0.8884 votes
Llama = 1.1164 votes
Quin = 1.1645 votes
MacDougall = 1.1885 votes
notsawyer540 = 1.2245 votes
Dfaraday = 1.2605 votes
Floyd = 2.2929 votes

I gather that it doesn't matter how much we've posted today, only what we've posted before the end of Night 3?

#1174

I'm inclined to agree. I'll end up placing my vote somewhere that isn't notsawyer. Whether or not it will carry enough weight remains to be seen. I'll probably vote where others are voting, for the person I suspect most that has votes.

#1175

Long Con, how do you feel about having 1.0925 votes?

#1176

Marmot wrote:
G-Man wrote:Since speculation over vote weight has occurred, I'd like to clear things up for you. At the end of Night 3, all living player's post counts were recorded. Here are the percentages for the 10 of you:

Epignosis = 22.93%
Marmot = 12.61%
Long Con = 12.24%
DrWilgy = 11.88%
Llama = 11.64%
Quin = 11.16%
MacDougall = 8.88%
notsawyer540 = 5.88%
Dfaraday = 2.04%
Floyd = 0.72%
There are 10 votes between you all, so those 10 votes were broken up proportionally according to the percentages above and reallocated in reverse order. (i.e. Floyd's vote is worth Epi's post-count percentages multiplied by 10, and so on)

Epignosis = 0.0720 votes
Marmot = 0.2041 votes
Long Con = 0.5882 votes
DrWilgy = 0.8884 votes
Llama = 1.1164 votes
Quin = 1.1645 votes
MacDougall = 1.1885 votes
notsawyer540 = 1.2245 votes
Dfaraday = 1.2605 votes
Floyd = 2.2929 votes
I gather that it doesn't matter how much we've posted today, only what we've posted before the end of Night 3?

Precisely. +1 Hillary Point for asking clarifying questions.

#1177

Sadly, notsawyer + Epignosis + Long Con = 1.88 votes.

#1178

Epignosis wrote:Sadly, notsawyer + Epignosis + Long Con = 1.88 votes.

+1 Hillary Point for playing the victim card.

#1179

Epi, why should people vote for Wigly?

Marmot and Wilgy, why should people vote for LC?

Mac, why should people vote for Floyd?

Quin, llama, Dfaraday, and Floyd; why should people vote for me?

Linki: If anyone's the victim here, it's me!

#1180

I could be persuaded to vote for Quin or Wilgy if people want to pile their votes there. I am also happy leaving my vote where it is.

#1181

thellama73 wrote:I could be persuaded to vote for Quin or Wilgy if people want to pile their votes there. I am also happy leaving my vote where it is.

Hell yeah - me too! Let's do this!

Marmot wrote:Long Con, how do you feel about having 1.0925 votes?

Indifferent. I don't think I'm getting lynched, so I'm not worried.

#1182

Out of Quin and Wilgy I would be more comfortable voting for Quin. While I would prefer to keep my vote on my top suspect, I'm amenable to changing it to someone else I think could be bad out of self-preservation. I KNOW I'm civ, but I can't say the same about Quin or Wilgy.

#1183

Ok, I'll place it on Quin for now then. I didn't get the best feeling about him when doing his ISO.

#1184

I've changed mine to Quin as well.

#1185

notsawyer540 wrote: Marmot and Wilgy, why should people vote for LC?

Idk, I recall him being Lazy in his suspicion of me, but it turns out I'm being lazy in my suspicion of him since I have yet to to review his posts.

I can support a Quin lynch. I recall him being JoH plausible and had a bad ping from him earlier.

#1186

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Quin missed my original point and misinterpreted my question. Hence we are talking in circles.

Placeholder vote on Quin. I don't think my original point was that obscure.
You had the chance to reiterate your point. Why didn't you take it, and instead choose to believe that I'm (assumedly purposefully) misinterpreting your question?
Quin, aren't you known for having several page long arguments over nuances of language aka talking in circles?

I don't fault S-V-S for this at all. That said, I don't think it's necessarily a scumtell for you so.

And that's all I have to say about that.

While we're on the subject of Quin, who wants to talk about this doozy of a post from jack?

He acknowledges the case on Quin, but equivocates nicely.

Linki: I voted LC because he was rude to Floyd, so just a placeholder really.

#1187

Marmot wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Quin missed my original point and misinterpreted my question. Hence we are talking in circles.

Placeholder vote on Quin. I don't think my original point was that obscure.
You had the chance to reiterate your point. Why didn't you take it, and instead choose to believe that I'm (assumedly purposefully) misinterpreting your question?
Quin, aren't you known for having several page long arguments over nuances of language aka talking in circles?

I don't fault S-V-S for this at all. That said, I don't think it's necessarily a scumtell for you so.

And that's all I have to say about that.
While we're on the subject of Quin, who wants to talk about this doozy of a post from jack?

He acknowledges the case on Quin, but equivocates nicely.

Linki: I voted LC because he was rude to Floyd, so just a placeholder really.

That is well observed. That first sentence is definitely something I could see a teammate writing.

#1188

Now I have to think about the fact tha the two people I trust least are voting for Quin, and what thta means, if anything. Oh, sweet WIFOM.

#1189

thellama73 wrote:Now I have to think about the fact tha the two people I trust least are voting for Quin, and what thta means, if anything. Oh, sweet WIFOM.

Why are you still suspicious of me Llama?

Have I not voiced enough for you to analyze and discuss my recent events?

Also, Is this WIFOM if I'm civ or only if I'm bad? It's definitely not self induced WIFOM like Epi's "I'd not kill Eloh n1."

If Quin flips civ am I definitely bad? If Quin flips bad am I definitely civ? Is this a distancing power play that I'm making due to my vote having little power? Is my vote warranted based on my past interactions with Quin?

#endlazyplay

#1190

notsawyer540 wrote:Epi, why should people vote for Wigly?

I don't know. I'm still trying to figure him out. And I like frustrating myself.

#1191

Even if I were to move my vote to Quin, notsawyer would still have almost twice the votes as Quin.

#1192

We would need llama, dfaraday, or floyd to change their vote.

#1193

DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Now I have to think about the fact tha the two people I trust least are voting for Quin, and what thta means, if anything. Oh, sweet WIFOM.
Why are you still suspicious of me Llama?

Have I not voiced enough for you to analyze and discuss my recent events?

Also, Is this WIFOM if I'm civ or only if I'm bad? It's definitely not self induced WIFOM like Epi's "I'd not kill Eloh n1."

If Quin flips civ am I definitely bad? If Quin flips bad am I definitely civ? Is this a distancing power play that I'm making due to my vote having little power? Is my vote warranted based on my past interactions with Quin?

#endlazyplay

That's the wrong question. The right question is "why would I stop being suspicious of you?" And the answer to that is "No reason."

It's WIFOM because I have to decide whether the people I think are bad are voting Quin because he's a civ alternative to Sawyer, or because they are bussing a teammate. If Quin is bad, I would say one of either you or Sawyer is bad with him. If quini is good, then both you and Sawyer are bad.

#1194

notsawyer540 wrote:We would need llama, dfaraday, or floyd to change their vote.

If Epi and I both change our votes, you would still need at least one more.

#1195

Damn my multitasking, you're right.

#1196

Epignosis, what do you make of llama?

#1197

Marmot wrote:Epignosis, what do you make of llama?

Moderate suspect.

#1198

Would you vote for him today?

#1199

Marmot wrote:Would you vote for him today?

Today? No. Aside from the voting system being how it is, I need to use my meager voice to keep notsawyer from being lynched, and I don't think there will be a bunch of support in the next few hours to accomplish lynching llama.

#1200

Fair enough.

thellama73 wrote:
notsawyer540 wrote:We would need llama, dfaraday, or floyd to change their vote.
If Epi and I both change our votes, you would still need at least one more.

I'm inferring from this post that llama's considering changing his vote in an attempt to save notsawyer.

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