Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I would gamble on there being at least one mafia in Colin/g-man/drago/tranq

At least a nickel, maybe even a whole 7 cents.

[G-Man]

G-Man before you get away can you share your reasons for suspecting Dyslexicon? Also you said this afternoon you might have some thoughts on some people tonight so I'm hoping you have a few reads.

Oompa loompa doompadee doo
I’ve got a confession here for you.
Oompa loompa doompadee dun,
My last post might be jumping the gun.

What do you get when you rush to assume?
Silly mistakes that can usher your doom.
But it’s a risk that I’m willing to take.
It’s only Day 2 for goodness sake.

It might help me interpret.

Oompa loompa doompadee dame,
Some people’s sus of me is quite lame.
Sometimes I can sniff out that poo
And catch scum in the process too!

[S~V~S]

I would gamble on there being at least one mafia in Colin/g-man/drago/tranq

At least a nickel, maybe even a whole 7 cents.

I reread some of the quieter people today, and will add Colin, I already did G and Tranq. I don't see much alarming in Tranq, even though we don't seem to see eye to eye on people. [mention]juliets[/mention] probably knows Tranq best; Jules any opinion yet on Tranq?

[S~V~S]

Also gotta go to bed, work tomorrow then off Sunday and Monday. Later.

[Dyslexicon]

Welcome back, Nook!

[juliets]

G-Man before you get away can you share your reasons for suspecting Dyslexicon? Also you said this afternoon you might have some thoughts on some people tonight so I'm hoping you have a few reads.

Oompa loompa doompadee doo
I’ve got a confession here for you.
Oompa loompa doompadee dun,
My last post might be jumping the gun.

What do you get when you rush to assume?
Silly mistakes that can usher your doom.
But it’s a risk that I’m willing to take.
It’s only Day 2 for goodness sake.

It might help me interpret.

Oompa loompa doompadee dame,
Some people’s sus of me is quite lame.
Sometimes I can sniff out that poo
And catch scum in the process too!

Ok so it looks like you're possessed.

I'll cool my jets and give you some time.

[Dyslexicon]

My last post might be jumping the gun.

You have. You need to turn around.

[Dyslexicon]

Well I'm certainly happy to be live and kicking. How about you all?

[Dragomir]

Is there day 2 write-up?

[Dragomir]

Is there a*

[Jackofhearts2005]

Holy shit.

Welcome Drago.

Hi, what's going on here? I'm not gonna read 35 pages.

The most important thing to me was this:

Jack said he has read nutella right for 8 games in a row and said she was scum in this game. Many agreed with him. Some of us said she looked good. She and Master Radishes were tied in votes at 6 apiece. Jack then said he had changed his mind and it looked like votes might start sliding off nutella. Nanook had the civvie bomb role and took her out in the afternoon so that was the "lynch". She was an independent. So both of them are in "ghost mode" right now. (They can make a limited amount of on topic posts after death).

Maybe someone else can describe something else from the thread they thought was important.

linki oh dang someone else already said this, I'm posting anyway

Thanks. Based off this alone, I'ma go ahead and say Jack is scum.

I don't think my description did Jack justice. I don't know his alignment but I think you should read a little bit of what he said at least, and include the post where he walked through why he changed his mind on nutella. We were all wrong about nutella.

Except for me.

[sabie12]

I would gamble on there being at least one mafia in Colin/g-man/drago/tranq

At least a nickel, maybe even a whole 7 cents.

I reread some of the quieter people today, and will add Colin, I already did G and Tranq. I don't see much alarming in Tranq, even though we don't seem to see eye to eye on people. @juliets probably knows Tranq best; Jules any opinion yet on Tranq?

I agree with tranq regarding his thoughts on TH but other than that I don't feel like there's anything substantial in any of his or drogos posts so far to go off of. I remember in world asunder tranq and I had btsc in the map and helped each other out til he got recruited by a mafia team and then he wasn't as involved. I think that is the only time I played with him so I'm not sure if his lack of involvement in this game is alignment indicative. Colin is meh. gman is...cursed? I'm used to seeing his spreadsheets and such but he did say he is super busy. I've misread gman for his lack of caring and participation before.

[juliets]

I would gamble on there being at least one mafia in Colin/g-man/drago/tranq

At least a nickel, maybe even a whole 7 cents.

I reread some of the quieter people today, and will add Colin, I already did G and Tranq. I don't see much alarming in Tranq, even though we don't seem to see eye to eye on people. @juliets probably knows Tranq best; Jules any opinion yet on Tranq?

I wish he was here more but I'm also not alarmed by his posts even though they are few. He tried to protect me in one post and in his last post he had a similar opinion to me of Radishes, so I guess of course I wouldn't be alarmed.

I am struggling to see Colin as town. I will look at him again but I'm having a hard time finding something I would label as townie behavior.

I'll just continue on. Drago is someone who ALWAYS looks bad to me. My impression is he appeared, made a judgement on Jack based on a very short synopsis of pages and pages of behavior, and then didn't even stick around and read some of the thread. Said he'd rather do homework, lol really? However, I need some more time with him to really form an opinion.

G-Man is suspicious to me mostly because he is not posting like he usually does, but his circumstances have changed since he last played. Today he appears to be Oompa Loompa'd so I guess he will reveal his thoughts slowly. I'll be waiting.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why should I not lynch Dom Mac?

[juliets]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] you mentioned you had mislynched Colin in the past for similar behavior (I think that's what you said). Can you expound on that at all?

[juliets]

Ok it's time to hang out with my husband so I'll say goodnight. I should be in the thread early tomorrow and will catch up with responses and thoughts from tonight. I'll be around most of the day tomorrow.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm going to try to sort through my thoughts.

Towny people:
G-Man - He's barking at me oompa style. That is ok, because he is town.
Turnip - I've been agreeing with a lot of his (sparse) thoughts. I think he plays similar to what I've seen from him before. Seems interested in game solving. I think I like it.
Ted - I just really like his posts. His take on me is actually spot on, and now I understand his first hesitation as well. It really looks like he cares about sorting, and I like that.

Scummy people:
Radish - We should make a meme for this, but I really just think he's scum. Sorry, Radish. And I hope I'm right.

I guess that's it for real leans tbh. But there's a bunch of people that very well could be scum. And then there's someone I have a lot of feelings about, but those feelings are mixed.

Could be scum, sure:
Colin - I just kind of agree he's been meh.
Speed - Same meh.
Jimmay - I get creepy vibes that makes me cry.
Like a bunch of people really.

Mixed feels:
SVS - Ok, so I like most of the things SVS posts. I should probably just ISO her. I just have the slightest feeling that she may be more so sounding good rather than actual solving.
Sabie - Also someone to review tbh.
Juliets - Yeah... I've seen Jimmay say she's very town, and Epi had concerns. I don't know how to read her. I played with her on the same scum team and she was good at this rational approach to the game without leaking too much. I think I like most of her posts actually, and it does look like solving.
Actually, thinking about it, I think both Juliets and SVS defended Nut? Actively defending town (or 3p that could well be town) is actually more of a town tell in this structure, I think. I should probably be leaning more town on both Juliets and SVS.
Jack - is someone that could be town, but I don't know. He hasn't interacted with me much. I cri evertim.
Michelle - I exaggerated the town lean on her in the beginning probably for my own sanity. It kind of bothers me that she hasn't interacted with me much. If she thinks I read her town and if she thinks I could be town too, I'd just half would expect her to interact or talk to me. But I don't know. Maybe this goes both ways.

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Others I have not much of an opinion on. I don't really like that I don't have an opinion on Sloonei and Epi for example. For Sloonei, I feel like he's just there, but I can't really see where he's at or how he's viewing the game. I realize he's been sick though.

Oh, and I really disliked Tony's vote D1. Not just because it was on me, but because it was late in the day on a complete off wagon, not with any convincing or anything, so it's not like he tried to make a lynch happen. Apart from that he's also played with me before, so he should be able to have an actual opinion on me. But the main thing is that it was off wagon and a throw away vote. Sloonei did that as scum (lone vote on me D1) when he was scum the last time I was town. Just saying.

Honestly, the no deaths is a blessing and a curse, cause so much is unsolved.
But I feel like it's mostly a blessing.

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In summary, I don't feel interested in lynching G-man, Turnip, Ted and probably not SVS and Juliets right now.
I'm mostly interested in lynching Radish. I could lynch about anyone else tbh.

I should review Sabie.
I also realised I left Sig and Sprit out. I had town feels on Sig, but I've been second guessing and apparently not made up my mind. Probably wouldn't lynch anyway. I don't remember anything Sprit has said actually. Should review.

[Dyslexicon]

Long post with a lot of I don't know. So that's where I'm at. I forgot Dom. I have no idea on him /shrug

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

Somebody explain the Radishes wagon.

I kinda want to lynch Dom.

Jackofhearts2005 I don't think I caught this explanation why Dom?

Cause he's not doing much and both his vote for me and his vote for Nutella were kinda bad.

[Dyslexicon]

Oh yeah, and Mac as well. Mac is pretty shady actually. I didn't even like he's first post, but I'm seelly.

[Dyslexicon]

Does Tranq always lurk this much?

And who did Nook replace?

[Jackofhearts2005]

He hasn't interacted with me much. I cri evertim.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

speedchuck gripes

Spoiler: show

I would rather vote nutella than jack, because nutella will start scumreading me any minute now.

Not feeling the vibes on this joke.

Spoiler: show

Like Nutella is playing what I would expect from her if she tried really hard to mimic her town game.

Or she’s just town.

Like she’s hitting her scumtell a and her towntells.

This seems to be the epicenter of the Jacktella quake. I am brought to wonder:

How do we (we who know nutella) anticipate her to respond to a post like this, where is she is told she is playing to her norms in both alignments? This is an accusation from Jack after all, even if "softened" by the town half of the presentation. I'm not surprised nutella called it garbage, or that she wondered aloud if a mafioso Jack would be so obvious as to openly hedge in this manner.

Is that where it started? Did he push any harder?

Because I'd be surprised to see nutella offended by this cushy push. More like 'meh' and 'jack do you even have an opinion'

I find this assertion hard to believe: nutella is a firecracker is responds severely to accusations of all sorts all the time. This contributes in some vague manner to the negative nutella climate, and I'm not on board.

Spoiler: show

@speedchuck do you have any developed thoughts on jack and/or nutella? What about anyone else in the game?

I think the Jack/Nutella thing was interesting, primarily because of reactions to it. Tedxtr's reaction was notable, like he was incredibly pro-nutella and focused on nutella. Dunno if that's changed.

@tedxtr do you know nutella prior to this?

i n t e r e s t i n g

Seriously though, chuck termed the Jacktella thing as interesting and specifically referenced tedxtr as a source of that intrigue -- without providing any actual take or stance. I don't know what the point of this observation is.

Spoiler: show

Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

chuck sharted on both the Radish and nutella wagons before engaging himself in the concurrent dialogues. At face value, I think this post looks fake. He answered this accusation already. I'm not moved.

Spoiler: show

Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.

I dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.

Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.

1. Reason wasnt crappy
2. Was laying out my thought process.

It would be imo so much worse to instantly switch off since Jack changed his mind, especially since I didnt base my vote solely off his read and two she wasn't a civ?

Not to mention I stated a few times she wasnt my top lynch which Is why I switched off once things evened our a bit.

Some of your reasons were crappy. And you had some perfectly good reasons. Overcompensating to justify staying on nutella. Meh. Minor sus.

One thing I liked more from speedchuck was his dig into sig's takes on Jacktella. In the end though we get the highlighted bit to neuter its seriousness and for my money its credit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]juliets[/mention] you'd asked for me to expand on speedchuck. ^

[Dyslexicon]

ISOing actually really helps. I should do it more.
I do want the day to play out a bit before I post more thoughts.

In the meantime

[VOTE: Radish] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This exchange is telling me less than nothing.

Dom: what do you want Ted to tell you?
Ted: what is your answer to Dom’s question?

You asked about this. I see two people talking past each other until ted figured out what Dom's question was (then ted answered the question). This exchange doesn't make me think less of either of them. It doesn't make me think much of anything.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would appreciate a third perspective on my speedchuck gripes. I have little doubt that speedchuck will answer them himself, and I will see how I feel about that when it comes. Gimme someone else.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mac and his big D are aligned with mafia.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Does Tranq always lurk this much?

And who did Nook replace?

I think I replaced the empty slot

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tranq is not known for making a lot of posts. He's right on schedule.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] you got any new hazelnut-styled tunnels for us?

[Dyslexicon]

You asked about this. I see two people talking past each other until ted figured out what Dom's question was (then ted answered the question). This exchange doesn't make me think less of either of them. It doesn't make me think much of anything.

I read the Dom/Ted thing, and I was confused about Dom's bravado that was suspecting Ted because he didn't answer a question. I also thought it was shade to say "avoided my question" cause it's such an easy gripe to have with someone. But Ted doesn't really strike me as someone who would flee away from a "difficult" question if he was scum, so likely he forgot or missed it, which he later said. I don't know. I was confused be Dom's bravado last game I played with him too though. I don't think I've seen him as scum before.

Jimmay, you know Dom better than me, so what's your overall feel there? Also, you know SVS better than me, so same question there.

[TonyStarkPrime]

A question with a data driven answer: are inactive scum or town more likely to be lynched?
I think this one is counter intuitive

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jackofhearts2005 you got any new hazelnut-styled tunnels for us?

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

I would appreciate a third perspective on my speedchuck gripes. I have little doubt that speedchuck will answer them himself, and I will see how I feel about that when it comes. Gimme someone else.

Not much there bth, and considering almost all of you are dirty scumbums, then yeah, why not.
Buuut, I have the feeling that Speed has been bored as town before? Does he like to play scum more, or is that only an assumption?
Of what you put out it's the first joke that I like the least. Reads a bit like guilty state of mind.

I think I replaced the empty slot

I didn't know we had one, but I'm glad you're here again. Be town now too plz.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You asked about this. I see two people talking past each other until ted figured out what Dom's question was (then ted answered the question). This exchange doesn't make me think less of either of them. It doesn't make me think much of anything.

I read the Dom/Ted thing, and I was confused about Dom's bravado that was suspecting Ted because he didn't answer a question. I also thought it was shade to say "avoided my question" cause it's such an easy gripe to have with someone. But Ted doesn't really strike me as someone who would flee away from a "difficult" question if he was scum, so likely he forgot or missed it, which he later said. I don't know. I was confused be Dom's bravado last game I played with him too though. I don't think I've seen him as scum before.

Jimmay, you know Dom better than me, so what's your overall feel there? Also, you know SVS better than me, so same question there.

I don't think "bravado" is out of place with Dom. That's a part of the persona he often brings to the game. He asked a question and it went unanswered, and so he made a stink. I don't think he has played with tedxtr before (either can correct me if necessary), so I don't think ted's own personality is an important variable to consider when judging Dom's treatment of ted. They don't know one another.

Now that ted did answer the question, we may glean more from their interaction at present. [mention]Dom[/mention], [mention]tedxtr[/mention], whaddya think of each other?

I have leaned positively for S~V~S on the basis of tone and familiarity with what I remember of her hunting styles and what I know of the site norms from the era from whence she brings most of her background (Syndicate circa 2013-2016 or so). I haven't dug deep on S~V~S lately though and she is a priority for reassessment.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Not much there bth, and considering almost all of you are dirty scumbums, then yeah, why not.
Buuut, I have the feeling that Speed has been bored as town before? Does he like to play scum more, or is that only an assumption?
Of what you put out it's the first joke that I like the least. Reads a bit like guilty state of mind.

I wouldn't say "bored", but he has been less active and less effortful in some of his town games given external business or burnout. I do my best to put his general activity level away and assess his content purely for what it is.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jackofhearts2005 you got any new hazelnut-styled tunnels for us?

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Agreed. What do you hate most about Mac and his big D?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A question with a data driven answer: are inactive scum or town more likely to be lynched?
I think this one is counter intuitive

Town by pure odds. I dunno.

Why?

[Dyslexicon]

I don't think "bravado" is out of place with Dom. That's a part of the persona he often brings to the game. He asked a question and it went unanswered, and so he made a stink. I don't think he has played with tedxtr before (either can correct me if necessary), so I don't think ted's own personality is an important variable to consider when judging Dom's treatment of ted. They don't know one another.

I also don't know Ted, but I can infer from his play that he doesn't have any trouble answering questions when they are asked. I realize this doesn't mean Dom needs to infer the same, but it's like.. "You avoided my question!" Gurl... But at the same time, maybe Dom was just putting the pressure on, which is good. I don't even know why I'm talking about this, cause I have no clue about Dom.

I have leaned positively for S~V~S on the basis of tone and familiarity with what I remember of her hunting styles and what I know of the site norms from the era from whence she brings most of her background (Syndicate circa 2013-2016 or so). I haven't dug deep on S~V~S lately though and she is a priority for reassessment.

Thank you.

Do you understand why I'm suspicious of you, Jimmay? I kind of am.

[Sloonei]

This exchange is telling me less than nothing.

Dom: what do you want Ted to tell you?
Ted: what is your answer to Dom’s question?

You asked about this. I see two people talking past each other until ted figured out what Dom's question was (then ted answered the question). This exchange doesn't make me think less of either of them. It doesn't make me think much of anything.

you missed the other part where ted responded and i asked him a few more questions.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do you understand why I'm suspicious of you, Jimmay? I kind of am.

Tell me why you're suspicious of me and I'll tell you whether I understand.

[Dyslexicon]

Tell me why you're suspicious of me and I'll tell you whether I understand.

Good answer.

I don't know. You just don't pack a punch to me in this game. For all your posting you feel surprisingly in the background. It's mainly that.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei you mentioned you had mislynched Colin in the past for similar behavior (I think that's what you said). Can you expound on that at all?

I don't know if I said "similar behavior", but what I've mislynched colin for in the past is his tendency to hang back and provide reads at his own pace. It's easy to misread that as a tentative, behind-the-action scum player, when in reality it's just been a behind-the-action civilian trying not to overstate his thoughts.

I have not looked closely at his posts in this game so I can't give you a detailed interpretation of what he looks like here. But that's my general warning against lynching Colin.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This exchange is telling me less than nothing.

Dom: what do you want Ted to tell you?
Ted: what is your answer to Dom’s question?

You asked about this. I see two people talking past each other until ted figured out what Dom's question was (then ted answered the question). This exchange doesn't make me think less of either of them. It doesn't make me think much of anything.

you missed the other part where ted responded and i asked him a few more questions.

I assume you're referring to the bit where you asked about how he presented his civilian read on Dizzy? If so, I understand why you'd be inclined to ask your question. I am not especially bothered by it on ted's part. When you asked him to expand on his town reads, he did so with a mind for the start-to-present progression which, in the case of Dizzy at least, meant that there was some degree of conflict in the read. But he landed on town -- he expanded on that further after your prod. You got beef?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tell me why you're suspicious of me and I'll tell you whether I understand.

Good answer.

I don't know. You just don't pack a punch to me in this game. For all your posting you feel surprisingly in the background. It's mainly that.

I'm not yelling and screaming as I often did in years past. I'm having more fun right now as a result. I'm a tired old man, Dyslexicon. I am a Mafia grandpa.

[Sloonei]

This exchange is telling me less than nothing.

Dom: what do you want Ted to tell you?
Ted: what is your answer to Dom’s question?

You asked about this. I see two people talking past each other until ted figured out what Dom's question was (then ted answered the question). This exchange doesn't make me think less of either of them. It doesn't make me think much of anything.

you missed the other part where ted responded and i asked him a few more questions.

I assume you're referring to the bit where you asked about how he presented his civilian read on Dizzy? If so, I understand why you'd be inclined to ask your question. I am not especially bothered by it on ted's part. When you asked him to expand on his town reads, he did so with a mind for the start-to-present progression which, in the case of Dizzy at least, meant that there was some degree of conflict in the read. But he landed on town -- he expanded on that further after your prod. You got beef?

A little bit. I'm getting hung up on the initial framing of his Dizzy read. It was "Dyslexicon is town. [Several lines of text explaining why Dyslexicon was previously not a town read]. Dyslexicon is town." The follow-up response was a better answer, but the first one felt like a non-answer, which recalled my Day 0 beef with ted.

[Dyslexicon]

Actually, I didn't like that question from Sloonei. Also seemed like an easy nitpick "this seems reasonable to ask about" kind of thing. But I didn't have a problem with Ted explaining his first gripe with me and then landing on a town read.

Sloonei could be scum.
Radish could be scum.
Sabie could be scum.
Hrm.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm not yelling and screaming as I often did in years past. I'm having more fun right now as a result. I'm a tired old man, Dyslexicon. I am a Mafia grandpa.

That is very cute. But you should think more about how that makes me feel. And how am I supposed to tell the difference between scum and town you? Will I just have to wait until you are dead or the game is over? Probably.