Fleabag Mafia mafia win

[Sloonei]

I assume Sloonei is voting a scumread?

I voted SoA last night to highlight him as a topic of discussion. He has not been around since, so

[Sloonei]

Does anyone specifically townread either Dolby or Lime Coke? Those two players seem to be consensus scumreads, or at least exist in everyone's POE's, except for each others.

Dolby has a vibe read of Lime Coke, and Lime Coke has Dolby just outside his POE.

I have had a light town read on dolby but with the POE where it is, I am losing confidence in that.

[Marmot]

If the team is Lime Coke, falcon, G-Man, and X, does G-Man bus two partners at once in pointing out that Lime Coke could be distancing from Lime Coke in a situation where it looks like Lime Coke will be chopped?

[Marmot]

uh... that should read "falcon could be distancing from Lime Coke"

I haven'f tinished my coffee yet ya know

[NotAnAxehole]

I assume Sloonei is voting a scumread?

I voted SoA last night to highlight him as a topic of discussion. He has not been around since, so

Well done. Mission successfully failed.

I can't believe how much pressure they'll feel to address that one vote when he gets back.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Sloonei]

If the team is Lime Coke, falcon, G-Man, and X, does G-Man bus two partners at once in pointing out that Lime Coke could be distancing from Lime Coke in a situation where it looks like Lime Coke will be chopped?

Yeah. If that is the team, G-man was dead on arrival. Distancing needs to happen.

[Sloonei]

I assume Sloonei is voting a scumread?

I voted SoA last night to highlight him as a topic of discussion. He has not been around since, so

Well done. Mission successfully failed.

I can't believe how much pressure they'll feel to address that one vote when he gets back.

It is not a “pressure” vote. It is a way of bookmarking the player as a name to be discussed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

You’re under a lot of pressure now buddy

[NotAnAxehole]

If the team is Lime Coke, falcon, G-Man, and X, does G-Man bus two partners at once in pointing out that Lime Coke could be distancing from Lime Coke in a situation where it looks like Lime Coke will be chopped?

Yeah. If that is the team, G-man was dead on arrival. Distancing needs to happen.

Dead on arrival with few people having any intention of voting him.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

You’re under a lot of pressure now buddy

As you were.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: SonofAnarch] aubergine


I similarly asked him a question that I want an answer to, and I think he could use the pressure.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

[Sloonei]

If the team is Lime Coke, falcon, G-Man, and X, does G-Man bus two partners at once in pointing out that Lime Coke could be distancing from Lime Coke in a situation where it looks like Lime Coke will be chopped?

Yeah. If that is the team, G-man was dead on arrival. Distancing needs to happen.

Dead on arrival with few people having any intention of voting him.

POE.

[NotAnAxehole]

I assume Sloonei is voting a scumread?

I voted SoA last night to highlight him as a topic of discussion. He has not been around since, so

Well done. Mission successfully failed.

I can't believe how much pressure they'll feel to address that one vote when he gets back.

It is not a “pressure” vote. It is a way of bookmarking the player as a name to be discussed.

I'm a simple guy. Your text will matter once your vote matters.

[Marmot]

@Johanna Before I forget - Who said you’d probably enjoy playing with me? =p Cute though ^^

Oh I'd have to scour Discord for that...

I'm pretty sure it was dunya, also coulda been juliets.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Johanna Before I forget - Who said you’d probably enjoy playing with me? =p Cute though ^^

Oh I'd have to scour Discord for that...

I'm pretty sure it was dunya, also coulda been juliets.

I dont think that either of them are mafia.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

Only one way to find out.

[Marmot]

Actually my thing should rather be:

I need to bury a wolf or I'm going to get buried.

But yeah same issues as I said before.

This does increasingly look like it's gonna be the case today.

I would like to know how I went from a townread in Lime Coke's eyes to his top 2 scumreads. I didn't see an explanation anywhere.

I got hit in the head and forgot who you were.

This explanation of Lime Coke's scumread of me doesn't really say anything, so I'm just gonna assume he doesn't actually scumread me, but felt the need to slot another name in his scum tier.

[Marmot]

juliets has been watching the thread for several days now but only posted once. If that's not the definition of a wallflower wolf, I don't know what is.

[Marmot]

Wallflower wolf is a term I just made up and I'm very proud of it.

[Marmot]

I digress.

@Son of Anarch come back and play with us!! We have questions and you're kinda sorta a competing wagon now.

[Dolby]

Hi fam

I'm gonna be here for EoD yay

[Dolby]

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

@Dolby

rude smh

[falcon45ca]

I've got coffee & a brand new plant for my office that's incredibly soft & wonderful.

[G-Man]

Theory time:

When I look at Lime Coke's recent evolution on Falcon...

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke, when you finish sharing your ketchup, it’d be super if you could give some baseline reads much like I asked from G-Man. Top town and/or mafia reads.

I'm building that up as we speak.

Dizzy is top town if you want a preview.

Falcon could be mafia based on that pop in during that small CFD attempt.

There's 1 in Falcon/Illario.

But I'm leaning a lot on Illario currently.

SPF
TSP
Axe

Dizzy
JJJ
Sloonei

SonofAnarch
Dolby

G-Man
Marmot
Illario/Falcon (T v W combo here)


@JaggedJimmyJay

This is my list.

Clears

Strong towns

Mid tier

Scum tier.

do you mind talking a little bit about why you think illario/falcon is T v W specifically? why can't they be wolves together?

also, if illario wasn't getting chopped today, who would you wanna vote next?

Because Falcon's just planting his vote on Illario both day phases and not moving. I know both can do well with distancing but that would kinda be ridiculous? Don't you think?

Next vote is either the opposite side of that spectrum with Falcon. Seeing the sudden pop in when he had the CFD placed on him.

Or Marmot.

If Falcon is mafia Marmot is town because Falcon had that weird "Marmot being silent is deafening" post when it was only 2 hours into Day 2.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I don't know what to think honestly.

If SPF has a better solve I'll listen.

Otherwise I'm thrown a bit for a loop.

In terms of my scumreads-

I might only have one.

Since Illario might end up being town.

Falcon has to be mafia. His fixation on Illario and voting him for 2 days straight is very awkward.

Marmot's silence is deafening

This line from Falcon is kinda gross just based on the merit of him posting this 2 hours after the day started. Like could be timezone difference or whatever reasoning he's not going to be here at SOD every day for every game. Feels like he'd be stacking the deck in order to have his viewpoint look solid.

Last thing is the fact that the CFD wagon started on Falcon, and 2 minutes after SPF is the third vote on the wagon, Falcon appears with a post.

My issue is that literally every game I play with Falcon I end up scumreading the guy, and that's probably this playstyle difference on this site compared to other games that I normally play.

Like so many town players just look scummy by playstyle.

It makes so many of these players such a >rand flip.

...my mind considers the following:

1) Lime Coke and Falcon are teammates.

2) Lime Coke, seeing that Falcon is on enough radars, adds Falcon to his radar.

3) In short order, Lime Coke puts Falcon deep in his POE, but makes Falcon part of an either/or scenario with a civvie he thinks he can build a case on for a mischop (ilario). This would allow him to save face and go after Falcon if his preferred mischop target gets chopped first.

4) When his ilario case implodes, Lime Coke is forced to double down on his teammate Falcon and votes there.

5) He adds a little hedge at the end to give him a potential reason to not vote for Falcon at the end if it comes to that.


Is this too Mafia 101 and I should give up playing with the jumbo crayons? Or does this pass the sniff test? Poke holes in it please.



I want to look at the folks in my POE today as time allows (which it won't for the most part). This is what struck me when looking at Lime Coke. The placement of JJJ in my POE is among the softest, so I don't think I will go down that road further until the game develops more (preferably with me still in it). That leaves four more folks to consider yet.

Well yeah, this is the long version of "Lime Coke's vote on falcon could be distancing." I am very much thinking along those lines.

This goes beyond distancing though, doesn't it? What started as distancing led to a dead end that Lime Coke may be stuck with. Nothing in those posts show me any fervent desire to see Falcon dead. To me it's more of a bland, if not reluctant, acceptance of Falcon as his only option considering his progression.

[NotAnAxehole]

Theory time:

When I look at Lime Coke's recent evolution on Falcon...

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke, when you finish sharing your ketchup, it’d be super if you could give some baseline reads much like I asked from G-Man. Top town and/or mafia reads.

I'm building that up as we speak.

Dizzy is top town if you want a preview.

Falcon could be mafia based on that pop in during that small CFD attempt.

There's 1 in Falcon/Illario.

But I'm leaning a lot on Illario currently.

SPF
TSP
Axe

Dizzy
JJJ
Sloonei

SonofAnarch
Dolby

G-Man
Marmot
Illario/Falcon (T v W combo here)


@JaggedJimmyJay

This is my list.

Clears

Strong towns

Mid tier

Scum tier.

do you mind talking a little bit about why you think illario/falcon is T v W specifically? why can't they be wolves together?

also, if illario wasn't getting chopped today, who would you wanna vote next?

Because Falcon's just planting his vote on Illario both day phases and not moving. I know both can do well with distancing but that would kinda be ridiculous? Don't you think?

Next vote is either the opposite side of that spectrum with Falcon. Seeing the sudden pop in when he had the CFD placed on him.

Or Marmot.

If Falcon is mafia Marmot is town because Falcon had that weird "Marmot being silent is deafening" post when it was only 2 hours into Day 2.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I don't know what to think honestly.

If SPF has a better solve I'll listen.

Otherwise I'm thrown a bit for a loop.

In terms of my scumreads-

I might only have one.

Since Illario might end up being town.

Falcon has to be mafia. His fixation on Illario and voting him for 2 days straight is very awkward.

Marmot's silence is deafening

This line from Falcon is kinda gross just based on the merit of him posting this 2 hours after the day started. Like could be timezone difference or whatever reasoning he's not going to be here at SOD every day for every game. Feels like he'd be stacking the deck in order to have his viewpoint look solid.

Last thing is the fact that the CFD wagon started on Falcon, and 2 minutes after SPF is the third vote on the wagon, Falcon appears with a post.

My issue is that literally every game I play with Falcon I end up scumreading the guy, and that's probably this playstyle difference on this site compared to other games that I normally play.

Like so many town players just look scummy by playstyle.

It makes so many of these players such a >rand flip.

...my mind considers the following:

1) Lime Coke and Falcon are teammates.

2) Lime Coke, seeing that Falcon is on enough radars, adds Falcon to his radar.

3) In short order, Lime Coke puts Falcon deep in his POE, but makes Falcon part of an either/or scenario with a civvie he thinks he can build a case on for a mischop (ilario). This would allow him to save face and go after Falcon if his preferred mischop target gets chopped first.

4) When his ilario case implodes, Lime Coke is forced to double down on his teammate Falcon and votes there.

5) He adds a little hedge at the end to give him a potential reason to not vote for Falcon at the end if it comes to that.


Is this too Mafia 101 and I should give up playing with the jumbo crayons? Or does this pass the sniff test? Poke holes in it please.



I want to look at the folks in my POE today as time allows (which it won't for the most part). This is what struck me when looking at Lime Coke. The placement of JJJ in my POE is among the softest, so I don't think I will go down that road further until the game develops more (preferably with me still in it). That leaves four more folks to consider yet.

Well yeah, this is the long version of "Lime Coke's vote on falcon could be distancing." I am very much thinking along those lines.

This goes beyond distancing though, doesn't it? What started as distancing led to a dead end that Lime Coke may be stuck with. Nothing in those posts show me any fervent desire to see Falcon dead. To me it's more of a bland, if not reluctant, acceptance of Falcon as his only option considering his progression.

I'm convinced. @falcon45ca finish up your coffee, because it'll be your last.

[NotAnAxehole]

Is coffee the most advertised (free advertising) addictive substance on the market?

I think it is. Everywhere you go people tell you about their addiction regardless of time of day, or activity.

I've had my coffee
Haven't had my coffee
Not enough coffee
I need more coffee
Can I have coffee this late in the day?

It's crazy.

[NotAnAxehole]

Cancel this please, Internet.

[NotAnAxehole]

Oops, sorry, those posts were for Reddit.

[G-Man]

I think if Lime Coke is mafia, G-Man is 100% always mafia right @JaggedJimmyJay

This is a pathway that only leads to disappointment. I am mafia 0% of the time in this game, regardless of whomever flips mafia.

Spoiler: show

Though I've already been called the 'boring' and 'not exciting' option, so maybe it leads more to an apathetic shrug than disappointment.

[Dolby]

Johanna is incredibly obvious town in meta btw

Illario noticing her towniness is a good look

[Johanna]

Does anyone specifically townread either Dolby or Lime Coke? Those two players seem to be consensus scumreads, or at least exist in everyone's POE's, except for each others.

Dolby has a vibe read of Lime Coke, and Lime Coke has Dolby just outside his POE.

Some people had some townread. I haven't really seen a reason to scumread them but I hope things will become a bit clearer now that he seems to have rejoined the thread.

One thing that I couldn't help but note about G-Man's list is that, also against consensus, Dolby was placed rather high up. Unless I am misremembering. These are associative pointers, I'm just not sure how to weigh them. I feel like right now Lime's D2 is the shakiest performance we have and they make a good candidate, so I'd rather start clearing the POE from there or falcon.

[falcon45ca]

Theory time:

When I look at Lime Coke's recent evolution on Falcon...

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke, when you finish sharing your ketchup, it’d be super if you could give some baseline reads much like I asked from G-Man. Top town and/or mafia reads.

I'm building that up as we speak.

Dizzy is top town if you want a preview.

Falcon could be mafia based on that pop in during that small CFD attempt.

There's 1 in Falcon/Illario.

But I'm leaning a lot on Illario currently.

SPF
TSP
Axe

Dizzy
JJJ
Sloonei

SonofAnarch
Dolby

G-Man
Marmot
Illario/Falcon (T v W combo here)


@JaggedJimmyJay

This is my list.

Clears

Strong towns

Mid tier

Scum tier.

do you mind talking a little bit about why you think illario/falcon is T v W specifically? why can't they be wolves together?

also, if illario wasn't getting chopped today, who would you wanna vote next?

Because Falcon's just planting his vote on Illario both day phases and not moving. I know both can do well with distancing but that would kinda be ridiculous? Don't you think?

Next vote is either the opposite side of that spectrum with Falcon. Seeing the sudden pop in when he had the CFD placed on him.

Or Marmot.

If Falcon is mafia Marmot is town because Falcon had that weird "Marmot being silent is deafening" post when it was only 2 hours into Day 2.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I don't know what to think honestly.

If SPF has a better solve I'll listen.

Otherwise I'm thrown a bit for a loop.

In terms of my scumreads-

I might only have one.

Since Illario might end up being town.

Falcon has to be mafia. His fixation on Illario and voting him for 2 days straight is very awkward.

Marmot's silence is deafening

This line from Falcon is kinda gross just based on the merit of him posting this 2 hours after the day started. Like could be timezone difference or whatever reasoning he's not going to be here at SOD every day for every game. Feels like he'd be stacking the deck in order to have his viewpoint look solid.

Last thing is the fact that the CFD wagon started on Falcon, and 2 minutes after SPF is the third vote on the wagon, Falcon appears with a post.

My issue is that literally every game I play with Falcon I end up scumreading the guy, and that's probably this playstyle difference on this site compared to other games that I normally play.

Like so many town players just look scummy by playstyle.

It makes so many of these players such a >rand flip.

...my mind considers the following:

1) Lime Coke and Falcon are teammates.

2) Lime Coke, seeing that Falcon is on enough radars, adds Falcon to his radar.

3) In short order, Lime Coke puts Falcon deep in his POE, but makes Falcon part of an either/or scenario with a civvie he thinks he can build a case on for a mischop (ilario). This would allow him to save face and go after Falcon if his preferred mischop target gets chopped first.

4) When his ilario case implodes, Lime Coke is forced to double down on his teammate Falcon and votes there.

5) He adds a little hedge at the end to give him a potential reason to not vote for Falcon at the end if it comes to that.


Is this too Mafia 101 and I should give up playing with the jumbo crayons? Or does this pass the sniff test? Poke holes in it please.



I want to look at the folks in my POE today as time allows (which it won't for the most part). This is what struck me when looking at Lime Coke. The placement of JJJ in my POE is among the softest, so I don't think I will go down that road further until the game develops more (preferably with me still in it). That leaves four more folks to consider yet.

Well yeah, this is the long version of "Lime Coke's vote on falcon could be distancing." I am very much thinking along those lines.

This goes beyond distancing though, doesn't it? What started as distancing led to a dead end that Lime Coke may be stuck with. Nothing in those posts show me any fervent desire to see Falcon dead. To me it's more of a bland, if not reluctant, acceptance of Falcon as his only option considering his progression.

I'm convinced. @falcon45ca finish up your coffee, because it'll be your last.

I have a French Press & a coffee from Costco, so I'm good to go for several years, if not decades.

[falcon45ca]

Is coffee the most advertised (free advertising) addictive substance on the market?

I think it is. Everywhere you go people tell you about their addiction regardless of time of day, or activity.

I've had my coffee
Haven't had my coffee
Not enough coffee
I need more coffee
Can I have coffee this late in the day?

It's crazy.

No, sex is.

[NotAnAxehole]

Is coffee the most advertised (free advertising) addictive substance on the market?

I think it is. Everywhere you go people tell you about their addiction regardless of time of day, or activity.

I've had my coffee
Haven't had my coffee
Not enough coffee
I need more coffee
Can I have coffee this late in the day?

It's crazy.

No, sex is.

Most people don't talk about sex.

[Johanna]

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

Unless it's in the context of a French Press

Ooh La La!

[falcon45ca]

Is coffee the most advertised (free advertising) addictive substance on the market?

I think it is. Everywhere you go people tell you about their addiction regardless of time of day, or activity.

I've had my coffee
Haven't had my coffee
Not enough coffee
I need more coffee
Can I have coffee this late in the day?

It's crazy.

No, sex is.

Most people don't talk about sex.

On the internet?



I think you're mistaken there. Big mistake. Huge.

[NotAnAxehole]

Is coffee the most advertised (free advertising) addictive substance on the market?

I think it is. Everywhere you go people tell you about their addiction regardless of time of day, or activity.

I've had my coffee
Haven't had my coffee
Not enough coffee
I need more coffee
Can I have coffee this late in the day?

It's crazy.

No, sex is.

Most people don't talk about sex.

On the internet?



I think you're mistaken there. Big mistake. Huge.

Have you even been on r/conservative?

[NotAnAxehole]

We should kill Marmot

[G-Man]

Does anyone specifically townread either Dolby or Lime Coke? Those two players seem to be consensus scumreads, or at least exist in everyone's POE's, except for each others.

Dolby has a vibe read of Lime Coke, and Lime Coke has Dolby just outside his POE.

Some people had some townread. I haven't really seen a reason to scumread them but I hope things will become a bit clearer now that he seems to have rejoined the thread.

One thing that I couldn't help but note about G-Man's list is that, also against consensus, Dolby was placed rather high up. Unless I am misremembering. These are associative pointers, I'm just not sure how to weigh them. I feel like right now Lime's D2 is the shakiest performance we have and they make a good candidate, so I'd rather start clearing the POE from there or falcon.

The placement of Dolby in my group of six townreads list was due to my lists being alphabetical. I believe I said as much when I made them.

Dolby put forth some logical posts. It's a vibey, wavelength kind of soft townread for him. One thing that I do need to go back and do during the night phase is look at Dolby's ISO and see if the logic and wavelength that appealed to me in individual posts is still there when I look at his production and progression from a macro level.

Right now I want to finish up with Falcon's ISO to see if the teammate connection I can see from Lim Coke to Falcon extends back the other way.

[NotAnAxehole]

Dolby put forth some logical posts.

I've learned more about the game in the last page of the thread than I have by reading Dolby's entire ISO.

[NotAnAxehole]

@G-Man @falcon45ca throw down the hammer and I promise I won't vote either of you tomorrow.

[NotAnAxehole]

Otherwise at a base 90+% chance my vote is going that way.

[Dolby]

@G-Man @falcon45ca throw down the hammer and I promise I won't vote either of you tomorrow.

Don't encourage this. A majjed minute is a wasted minute

Also I'm still 400 posts back

[NotAnAxehole]

@G-Man @falcon45ca throw down the hammer and I promise I won't vote either of you tomorrow.

Don't encourage this. A majjed minute is a wasted minute

Also I'm still 400 posts back

I'm sure you suddenly have a bunch to discuss, but I'm impatient, and I want my flip.

[Dolby]

@G-Man @falcon45ca throw down the hammer and I promise I won't vote either of you tomorrow.

Don't encourage this. A majjed minute is a wasted minute

Also I'm still 400 posts back

I'm sure you suddenly have a bunch to discuss, but I'm impatient, and I want my flip.

Yeah I think the new triad is compromised

[Dolby]

Also there's straight up to many "we did the same thing at the same time" moments for JJJ and Sloonei to ever be teammed

[Dolby]

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine