Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

[Creature]

I hope we're doing well.

[Creature]

What stops lucy from being wolf who had an outburst of energy D0?

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

Did anything happen?

Is falcon a wagon because he's wolfy or just POE?

I hope we're doing well.

What stops lucy from being wolf who had an outburst of energy D0?

[Creature]

Damn. I wasn't expecting a lazy D1 mislynch from this playerlist.

[Creature]

Did anything happen?

Is falcon a wagon because he's wolfy or just POE?

I hope we're doing well.

What stops lucy from being wolf who had an outburst of energy D0?

Are you pushing a wolf agenda here?

[falcon45ca]

Did anything happen?

Is falcon a wagon because he's wolfy or just POE?

I hope we're doing well.

What stops lucy from being wolf who had an outburst of energy D0?

Are you pushing a wolf agenda here?

How do you think I'm gonna answer that question, even if I were a wolf?

[Creature]

Did anything happen?

Is falcon a wagon because he's wolfy or just POE?

I hope we're doing well.

What stops lucy from being wolf who had an outburst of energy D0?

Are you pushing a wolf agenda here?

How do you think I'm gonna answer that question, even if I were a wolf?

You already pushed me like this when you were wolf in two games so I'm gonna assume you've randed wolf again.

[falcon45ca]

Did anything happen?

Is falcon a wagon because he's wolfy or just POE?

I hope we're doing well.

What stops lucy from being wolf who had an outburst of energy D0?

Are you pushing a wolf agenda here?

How do you think I'm gonna answer that question, even if I were a wolf?

You already pushed me like this when you were wolf in two games so I'm gonna assume you've randed wolf again.

Well, then I guess ya best vote me, eh?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[GIF]

what is the significance of those four Creature posts to you

[falcon45ca]

[GIF]

what is the significance of those four Creature posts to you

They read like someone who's having trouble engaging in the game. Creature is far more assertive as town, those are pot stirring, wall flower posts

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

[robyn]

What stops lucy from being wolf who had an outburst of energy D0?

read closer to what others have said about me, that’s ur answer

[DrWilgy]

I am considering the exchanges between DrWilgy and Mac, and I have a vague concern.

The overall message of Wilgy’s read on Mac seems to slant positive. Indeed, my impression of that read is: Mac looks town except for his suspicion of me. There’s a resistance to rattling cages in that — one could argue Mac’s cage is being rattled, but only in response to receiving rattling from him. If Wilgy is mafia, here’s the rough translation:

Mac is town, too town for me to fully attack, but I have to at least do something about his correct read on me

I’m not sure I view the hedging as authentic

My friend, when have I ever done this as wolf? If I go after towncore as wolf It's all or nothing, but a half baked turd placed down to shrivel and die.

Especially d1, wouldn't I be more inclined to just give the TR and move on to a LHF?

This read is bad.

You seem significantly more reactionary and defensive than I have ever seen you. Do you feel you are being this way, and if so what do you attribute it to?

*The doctor gets to his office and unlocks the door, then enters to find his phone ringing, he answers it*

Ah, Seanzie, I hope you'll be able to make your 5 o'clock tomorrow.

*High pitched phone talking*

I am a doctor, not God. I can't always be proactive, however as much as I'd like to be.

I believe that it may also have to do with the character I must partake in during the treatment together.

*High pitched phone talking*

Sometimes when things go to fast, it is better to limit one's pools in order to be more accurate and productive in said pools.

*High pitched phone talking*

Yes yes.

*The doctor hangs up the phone and paces to the back of his office.*

[robyn]

I am considering the exchanges between DrWilgy and Mac, and I have a vague concern.

The overall message of Wilgy’s read on Mac seems to slant positive. Indeed, my impression of that read is: Mac looks town except for his suspicion of me. There’s a resistance to rattling cages in that — one could argue Mac’s cage is being rattled, but only in response to receiving rattling from him. If Wilgy is mafia, here’s the rough translation:

Mac is town, too town for me to fully attack, but I have to at least do something about his correct read on me

I’m not sure I view the hedging as authentic

My friend, when have I ever done this as wolf? If I go after towncore as wolf It's all or nothing, but a half baked turd placed down to shrivel and die.

Especially d1, wouldn't I be more inclined to just give the TR and move on to a LHF?

This read is bad.

You seem significantly more reactionary and defensive than I have ever seen you. Do you feel you are being this way, and if so what do you attribute it to?

*The doctor gets to his office and unlocks the door, then enters to find his phone ringing, he answers it*

Ah, Seanzie, I hope you'll be able to make your 5 o'clock tomorrow.

*High pitched phone talking*

I am a doctor, not God. I can't always be proactive, however as much as I'd like to be.

I believe that it may also have to do with the character I must partake in during the treatment together.

*High pitched phone talking*

Sometimes when things go to fast, it is better to limit one's pools in order to be more accurate and productive in said pools.

*High pitched phone talking*

Yes yes.

*The doctor hangs up the phone and paces to the back of his office.*

do you larp in lylo’s?

[DrWilgy]

I am considering the exchanges between DrWilgy and Mac, and I have a vague concern.

The overall message of Wilgy’s read on Mac seems to slant positive. Indeed, my impression of that read is: Mac looks town except for his suspicion of me. There’s a resistance to rattling cages in that — one could argue Mac’s cage is being rattled, but only in response to receiving rattling from him. If Wilgy is mafia, here’s the rough translation:

Mac is town, too town for me to fully attack, but I have to at least do something about his correct read on me

I’m not sure I view the hedging as authentic

My friend, when have I ever done this as wolf? If I go after towncore as wolf It's all or nothing, but a half baked turd placed down to shrivel and die.

Especially d1, wouldn't I be more inclined to just give the TR and move on to a LHF?

This read is bad.

You seem significantly more reactionary and defensive than I have ever seen you. Do you feel you are being this way, and if so what do you attribute it to?

*The doctor gets to his office and unlocks the door, then enters to find his phone ringing, he answers it*

Ah, Seanzie, I hope you'll be able to make your 5 o'clock tomorrow.

*High pitched phone talking*

I am a doctor, not God. I can't always be proactive, however as much as I'd like to be.

I believe that it may also have to do with the character I must partake in during the treatment together.

*High pitched phone talking*

Sometimes when things go to fast, it is better to limit one's pools in order to be more accurate and productive in said pools.

*High pitched phone talking*

Yes yes.

*The doctor hangs up the phone and paces to the back of his office.*

do you larp in lylo’s?

Do I larp in lylos?

Lucy, I even larp in silos, and while the farmers get mad at the corn I make bad, the crows will still eat it from my nose.

[DrWilgy]

*Scribbles down notes*

I believe this is wise.

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

Wilgy prolly town

[JaggedJimmyJay]

EnderWiggin ISO

Ender has been a read in flux for me, so I wanted to take a closer look. Click spoiler for wall.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

I refuse to scumhunt on D0 so enjoy me sitting around memeing and pocketing Rondo

Shrug. Sometimes I feel this way about Day 0 (hunting is apart from the original purpose of Day 0, but people do it anyway), so I don't really hold this against Ender as long as things kick into gear by Day 1. I'm just marking it here for the sake of context.

Spoiler: show

Day 0 has been a pleasant period of introductions and light reading. That’s healthy. Day 1 fast approaches, however, and I would love to solve the game as expediently as possible.

General query to everyone in the thread: how do you feel when I label lucy, Boq, and Seanzie town? Who else should I label town? We need seven, mmkay.

I don't entirely like it.

Because I think one specifically of that list is wolf

Because I think one specifically of that list is wolf

speak now or forever hold your peace

Can I hold it softly or just like, really hug it hard?

I am absolutely fascinated, EnderWiggin. Oh my god. My juices are flowing. I'm sure you'll expand when you're ready in the near future.

...

And that reaction alone makes me half think JJJ is wolf and knows he has a partner in that list.

...

And that reaction alone makes me half think JJJ is wolf and knows he has a partner in that list.

Tell me more. When JJJ was "extra" (see, gang, I am not old, I used the language of the youths), what inspired this perspective?

...

And that reaction alone makes me half think JJJ is wolf and knows he has a partner in that list.

Tell me more. When JJJ was "extra" (see, gang, I am not old, I used the language of the youths), what inspired this perspective?

Wolves, albeit usually not ones of your caliber, have tended to over-exaggerate when someone pinpoints a partner.

That being said, the reason I said "Half" is because I half would expect you to be too experienced to fall for a simpler ploy like that, and you read as mildly sarcastic in your response to me.

But I didn't want to give you that out if you hadn't.

I extracted this full series of posts, as they serve as the first especially game-relevant content Ender had to offer. My initial reaction to this was a positive one. I thought Ender's suggested that I seemed sarcastic read authentically (and I can see how my standard goofball posting can come off as sarcasm). His replies became a bit more flippant, which fits a perception of being subjected to sarcasm. Perhaps that ought to be tempered, because authentically perceiving sarcasm doesn't necessarily preclude the mafia alignment.

Spoiler: show

Hey Nate.

Can I get you to take a look at JJJ's three clears and gimme your opinion on them?

What do you like about Boq or Lucy specifically? Is Seanzie slipping your radar or you just don't think his posts are AI?

A little inquisitiveness never hurt. It led to meaningful content from Nate so that's fine.

Spoiler: show

I have turned into one of those "But how do you really feel" players.

How.

How we feel is important, Ender. Never be afraid to ask how we feel.

How sweet.

But tbh I've already been called out for it:
I don't actually sus your list, I just wanted to see what happened if I insinuated I did.

I think I mostly like Boq/JJJ a s my little town.

I'm wary of trusting Lucy because tone doesn't do a lot for me from chattier players and I don't think she'll struggle with that, my reservation is held until I see her talk about reads.

Falcon is rand but more rand!town so I'll agree with that.

I hold my thoughts on Seanzie.

Rondo is mildly in his townsphere but that's tentative and early so don't trust it.

The previous exchange being relegated to "reaction test" is a bit of a wet fish. The rest of this post is a bit more important to me though for a reason I will share shortly.

Spoiler: show

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Townie schadenfreude, perhaps.jpeg tbh

It is entirely NAI for Rondo. Rondo is best read on how he positions his wagons and what sus he pushes rather than the trolling he does.

I’m a little concerned about the potential for toxicity. We should avoid using language like “X hates the way I play”. If you have that perception, @RondoDimBuckle, we can and should talk about it. Let’s just be mindful please and thank you

yeah this message is 100% ai indicative, if a stands for age

no way, a mod is a mod, wolf or not

JJJ's approach sorta mirrors his approach in the game I played with him on MU though tbh

Jay is absolutely able to replicate his town-leader-yness as wolf. While his content or detail mileage might vary, I find it hard to believe that Jay can be read on "Is he approaching game as a 'make town collaborate' thing?" given that's almost his trademark from all that people have told me in the past.

yeah this message is 100% ai indicative, if a stands for age

no way, a mod is a mod, wolf or not

JJJ's approach sorta mirrors his approach in the game I played with him on MU though tbh

Jay is absolutely able to replicate his town-leader-yness as wolf. While his content or detail mileage might vary, I find it hard to believe that Jay can be read on "Is he approaching game as a 'make town collaborate' thing?" given that's almost his trademark from all that people have told me in the past.

That's fair tbh
JJJ is a null for me right now tbh

I have him as firmly town fwiw.

I want to be clear:
I also have JJJ as town.

I was just saying that "Is he town-leadering" isn't a good approach.

The way I see this game is fairly simple.

Mac and JJJ are both playing to their obvious town power town selves. I think they are very likely just town but even if they are I suspect they are townsiding for now because they are bringing down a lot of unnecessary bad attention if they shove blatantly bad reads down our throat here. So either way their reads are probably going to be good D1.

I am likely going to prioritize hammering on the reads we have in our Venn diagram overlap as those are the most likely to be hits. If we don't get pelts after a bit it will be obvious something is rotten.

As mentioned earlier, I find Boquise, Wilgy and Lucy townie in addition to JJJ and Mac. I am hands off Rondo for now in deference to Mac's read. Nate feels like someone a little out of their depth but trying to do the best he can to be part of the solving which I think is a pretty okay place to be in.

Seanzie has been ~fine. He started off a little weaker than usual but his ISO of me was decent. I wouldn't put him in my town squad but I don't really have interest in a Seanzie exe today.

I interpreted Ender's cryptic approach to Seanzie earlier as a way to fish for reactions with him like he did with JJJ but he hasn't really followed through on that promise which leaves me wondering why he did it. I am also unnerved by how hands-off he is with Rondo, who he knows well and even gave advice on how to read. It's weird that me and Mac have a stronger read on Rondo than the guy who knows him the best.

Loosely, I have a POE pool of Falcon, Creature and Ender. The afks remain null, maybe bump Dizzy a bit higher since he is more shameless about lurking when he is town and feels obligated to try a bit harder as scum.

The fact that I know him best and am not making a read should tell y'all to be more careful.

I actually do think Mac is right for now but Mac's confidence is very strong. I can tell you 100% that Rondo could fake this D1 as wolf, with the caveat that he hasn't wolfed in forum yet and I know he's not 100% confident he can do the same level of fakery first try.

But that being said he's very capable of it irl so benefit of the doubt means I'm wary to trust anything I'm not confident is town indicative of him.

These are the posts that I think caused the initial dissonance leading eventually to me reviewing this ISO in the first place. There's a theme here: Rondo and I are both receiving town reads, sometimes of high confidence, from various sources -- and Ender has been inclined to resist that confidence. I have a little concern that this may reflect a case of "trying to keep the box open", so to speak, and that is something I have observed from mafia with decent frequency over the last couple of years. As my own game has shifted more and more in the direction of pure POE and I have found success in that journey, the necessary mafia resistance is to stall the formation of "town cores".

I will acknowledge that Ender has provided a few town reads himself, however, including on me. That's what I referenced previously. So in this case, if my concern is valid, it would be more centered on Ender's resistance to Rondo town reads.

~~~

Conclusion

This at least allows me to express what's in my head with respect to Ender. I don't think this ISO looks "bad" holistically, but there are some things here worth discussing that Ender can speak of as he desires. If I could summarize my perspective: Ender is doing things and the things are okay. The things don't quite inspire the confidence for me that some others on the roster have inspired to this point.

[Creature]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

[Creature]

I feel good about:

Alison
Boquise
Creature
fingersplints
JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall

Slightly worried those are the most experienced players here though

[Creature]

I feel good about:

Alison
Boquise
Creature
fingersplints
JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall

Slightly worried those are the most experienced players here though

Ok I might consider adding DrWilgy in

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I feel good about:

Alison
Boquise
Creature
fingersplints
JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall

Slightly worried those are the most experienced players here though

Would be cool to hear more about splints

[Creature]

That leaves:

Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
falcon45ca
lucy
Marmot
NateTheLesser
RondoDimBuckle
Seanzie

Oops that's still a lot

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Do it fur reel, this is just pillow talk

[Creature]

I always appreciate having fingersplints in a game these days. For her more than any other, it’s a perspective and a vibe from the increasingly distant Syndicate past transplanted into a very different new-age site meta.

I have no read on splints here, just musing wistfully. She will get involved her own way given time if she is town.

Probably because I’m stubborn and refuse to change lol I don’t win a lot so not sure I’d recommend my style of play to anyone, but I’ve always been in it for the fun over the wins anyways

But yes this is all true

@fingersplints do you have an initial impression of me

Gth town

Aw shit it didn't work

What ails you, Creature? Express your feelings

Just skimmed a lot of pages but didn't feel like replying to any post.

I feel this

I felt good about these posts for some reason. Maybe because they didn't strike as wolf seeking for townreads.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ftr you're not the first play to push me for not spamming like other games and wouldn't be the first to be disastrously wrong.

viewtopic.php?t=2322

I looked over this briefly to get an impression. I think it's a reasonable comparison for Creature at least with respect to the implication that "not posting a lot is not a mafia tell". As a flat assertion, that appears to be true. Creature didn't post much in that game and was town. I wouldn't call it town-indicative, but NAI seems appropriate for the moment pending a deeper look into the trends if I have the opportunity or inclination.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@lucy, how do you think you'll use your vote today? I don't necessarily mean who you'll vote for, though that'd be super to talk about. I refer instead your general approach to using your vote, given your stated gradual pace in getting reads.

[robyn]

@lucy, how do you think you'll use your vote today? I don't necessarily mean who you'll vote for, though that'd be super to talk about. I refer instead your general approach to using your vote, given your stated gradual pace in getting reads.

other players will have reads and will have intuition today, i typically follow them. cases will be made and players will end up voting and i typically have a preference based on 2 different players being lynched that is not exactly a read, the reason could be trivial or it could be just something i find interesting that nobody else would even agree on even if they do see it. pretty much sheeping, though only d1 and i refuse to vote a fair amount

[MacDougall]

vote Creature

[Dyslexicon]

Is there a town core yet?

[Creature]

Is there a town core yet?

It doesn't look like we're going anywhere.

[Creature]

I don't trust players who tpwnread all but three players. Good chance their POE is exactly 0/3 (or 1/3 if they're lucky).

[Creature]

Ftr you're not the first play to push me for not spamming like other games and wouldn't be the first to be disastrously wrong.

viewtopic.php?t=2322

I looked over this briefly to get an impression. I think it's a reasonable comparison for Creature at least with respect to the implication that "not posting a lot is not a mafia tell". As a flat assertion, that appears to be true. Creature didn't post much in that game and was town. I wouldn't call it town-indicative, but NAI seems appropriate for the moment pending a deeper look into the trends if I have the opportunity or inclination.

Yes, it's just meant to point that pushing me for lowposting is at best NAI and often wrong.

I tend to become pretty obvious past day 1. So day 1 is the best day for wolves to mislynch me.

[Dyslexicon]

Is there a town core yet?

It doesn't look like we're going anywhere.

That's a shame.

[Creature]

I kinda want to do Nate the most because he seems pretty under and it feels like he's being forcefully shoved into the townreads list and/or barely evaluated at all. As comparison, I often see myself going from townread to wolfread or viceversa.

[Creature]

I feel good about:

Alison
Boquise
Creature
fingersplints
JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall

Slightly worried those are the most experienced players here though

Maybe fingersplints is too weak for a townread, but meh.

[Creature]

How do you all read Marmot and Seanzie?

[Seanzie]

Is there a town core yet?

Yes and you're the only one not in it.

Do you have any thoughts on the game?

[Seanzie]

How do you all read Marmot and Seanzie?

I didn't particularly care for Marmot's approach to me, felt like he was trying to force a read/shade me rather than actually sort me. I never heard back from him after I explained that I scumhunt rather than townhunt, which makes it hard to fully sort him, but he is south of null for me.

That Seanzie character... oh don't get me started there...

[EnderWiggin]

I am at a level of disquiet and don't know how to functionally put that in thread.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Lmao I think it is fun!

I feel like thread state-wise, Rando is rand>town. Aside from being funny, I feel like they have made some tonally townie posts. Example: the one where they talk about AtE, not wanting to omgus Alison, then votes Alison. I am not sure at all how Rando approaches the game, but I don't think a scum player there would break the "lmao this is so funny that you're tunnelling me" spiel so quickly. I think these are things scum are more interested in keeping consistent.

I don't have any experience with Rondo's scum game in specific, but I don't get the sense that he'd be particularly interested in keeping things consistent as scum; he seems like a bit of a troll and someone who intentionally does random things for fun, and those seem like part of his personality and would be expressed as either alignment.

I agree with you on the troll part. That is not why I am town leaning him though, as I explain in that post you're quoting tbh

Am I misreading your post? It sounds like you're townreading Rondo for being inconsistent, when I think he'd be inconsistent as either alignment.

I think his "AtE" post thing is inconsistent, yeah, but not like troll inconsistent. I think that post opened up a window to Rando's actual thoughts and I don't see why he, as scum, would feel the need to do that or even slip up so quickly with it tbh.

Another reason to make an unpopular town read/town reading a fellow "weirdo" is that it causes waves in the thread tbh!

If Rando is town, I am potentially stealing a misyeet from scum. If Rando is scum, I might make him sweet up to me, lower his guard, and it can prompt other town to figure him out!

I saw it as him throwing out a line of unverifiable bullshit about how he felt when I attacked him coupled by a lack of convincing emotional followup to that claim, nestled in genuine trolling/chaos generation. I also saw that sequence as opening a window to his actual thoughts, but in a way that looked bad for him.

I'll admit I'm not the best Rondo reader in the world, but I struggle to see how talking nonsense followed by contradicting yourself is something that we should townread someone for. I am setting Rondo aside for now though in deference to Mac's (and yours, I guess) read.

Who is Rando?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Lmao I think it is fun!

I feel like thread state-wise, Rando is rand>town. Aside from being funny, I feel like they have made some tonally townie posts. Example: the one where they talk about AtE, not wanting to omgus Alison, then votes Alison. I am not sure at all how Rando approaches the game, but I don't think a scum player there would break the "lmao this is so funny that you're tunnelling me" spiel so quickly. I think these are things scum are more interested in keeping consistent.

I don't have any experience with Rondo's scum game in specific, but I don't get the sense that he'd be particularly interested in keeping things consistent as scum; he seems like a bit of a troll and someone who intentionally does random things for fun, and those seem like part of his personality and would be expressed as either alignment.

I agree with you on the troll part. That is not why I am town leaning him though, as I explain in that post you're quoting tbh

Am I misreading your post? It sounds like you're townreading Rondo for being inconsistent, when I think he'd be inconsistent as either alignment.

I think his "AtE" post thing is inconsistent, yeah, but not like troll inconsistent. I think that post opened up a window to Rando's actual thoughts and I don't see why he, as scum, would feel the need to do that or even slip up so quickly with it tbh.

Another reason to make an unpopular town read/town reading a fellow "weirdo" is that it causes waves in the thread tbh!

If Rando is town, I am potentially stealing a misyeet from scum. If Rando is scum, I might make him sweet up to me, lower his guard, and it can prompt other town to figure him out!

I saw it as him throwing out a line of unverifiable bullshit about how he felt when I attacked him coupled by a lack of convincing emotional followup to that claim, nestled in genuine trolling/chaos generation. I also saw that sequence as opening a window to his actual thoughts, but in a way that looked bad for him.

I'll admit I'm not the best Rondo reader in the world, but I struggle to see how talking nonsense followed by contradicting yourself is something that we should townread someone for. I am setting Rondo aside for now though in deference to Mac's (and yours, I guess) read.

Mmh I have zero experience with Rando so I am basically running with things I have seen in other games tbh.

Like, a thought people seem to have is that town is consistent and doesnt talk nonsense etc. My feel in general is that "town read" is viewed by several mafia players as a compliment on play. That the town read person is being +ev or something. I expect scum to handle your push differently. But like, that's just expectations from my end

Also, when I first presented my town read on Rando, he asked why I town read them. I replied and he answered with a "hmmmmm". He has then naked voted me.

In a game state where you're starting to become one of the lowest in hierarchy, with people pushing you/disliking your posts, as a wolf it is rare to push the town who is voicing a town read. You either try to be cool with them because emotionally it feels better to have an ally in the thread than risking them to change their read, or you accept that you're dying but could potentially make that town look aligned with you.

Who is Rando?

EBWOP

I saw it as him throwing out a line of unverifiable bullshit about how he felt when I attacked him coupled by a lack of convincing emotional followup to that claim, nestled in genuine trolling/chaos generation. I also saw that sequence as opening a window to his actual thoughts, but in a way that looked bad for him.

I'll admit I'm not the best Rondo reader in the world, but I struggle to see how talking nonsense followed by contradicting yourself is something that we should townread someone for. I am setting Rondo aside for now though in deference to Mac's (and yours, I guess) read.

Mac and Ender are my best readers I would say

[RondoDimBuckle]

america, california

the best of them are similar-ish to forum mafia except people aren’t reading the actual actions of other players, lots of PR’s and very little reads that aren’t based off NK’s and other deaths/failed tunnels/cop investigations. it’s live chat but also 24/24 where people are talking (not usually about the actual game though) and eventually some reads do occur out of live chatting and they’re voted on until they claim/fake claim, clusterfucks. most people make themselves available to talk for a bit more than once a day, there are breaks in actions. and at the end of the game all the active players are dead and it’s basically a coin toss of who wins because the alive players haven’t played the game closely at all, since they’re alive

@RondoDimBuckle

While I appreciate the link, I meant actual physically. Like I am in Australia and Aussie culture is much different to American/European/Asian

Mmmnnyeah nope. Maybe I am tunneling. I need @EnderWiggin to sort me out

A couple Aussies showed up since this post, did you get the cultural translation you were hoping for?

Negative, Mac told me to do what I want but also soft shields Lucy with his list so that is worth some thought

Hi. Ignore Lucy pls. Find other wolf.

Understood. Lucy is off limits <to the tune of Eldorado>

[RondoDimBuckle]

america, california

While I appreciate the link, I meant actual physically. Like I am in Australia and Aussie culture is much different to American/European/Asian

Mmmnnyeah nope. Maybe I am tunneling. I need @EnderWiggin to sort me out

A couple Aussies showed up since this post, did you get the cultural translation you were hoping for?

he hasn’t, mac didn’t respond

what was i supposed to respond to?

He tagged Ender as a fellow Aussie to help see if he was misreading Lucy's tone..? I'm not entirely sure.

Rondo and I know each other pretty well.

He's tagging me because I have successfully divested him of bad tunnels in the past and he trusts I'm a good reader of the game if I'm town.

He's also probably trying to stuff me in a pocket on the way past but that's every game.

Yes.

It was also a reaction test to see what you would say. Dunno if I got anything out of it tho

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think a decent portion of my perspective is derived from recent surfing around MU as I compiled statistics and saw Creature with a million posts in X or Y games. Have you played with him often

Creature definitely posts more as town than scum and had a defeatist persona as scum where he hardly posted. However he has improved a lot during these last years tbh.

Iirc I spearheaded a Creature misyeet in our first game and everyone chastised me on how it was obvious Creature town meta lmao

Creature is a good player and his meta tells both exist and are over exaggerated and not consistently valid.

He is however readable by virtue of other things, mainly what emotions he is exhibiting in the context of what faction is ahead or behind.

I played a game with him recently where the scum was allergic to killing town me and town Alexa out of ego so we stomped them. He was intensely pessimistic the whole time. We exed a mafia every day except for the day that a scum outed to hammer a townie, and he was moaning about how we were doomed as we proceeded to policy the last mafia for making that hammer.

So I dunno that him being sad when his faction is losing is a reliable tell. He seems to be a very pessimistic person to me in general, tbh.

What game?

As if I am a pessimistic person @EnderWiggin I demand you back me up on this. I am relentlessly happy

EBWOP: This is about creature not me. I didnt read up, no ender needed

Counterpoint, Ender always needed.

Good point.

[RondoDimBuckle]

The way I see this game is fairly simple.

Mac and JJJ are both playing to their obvious town power town selves. I think they are very likely just town but even if they are I suspect they are townsiding for now because they are bringing down a lot of unnecessary bad attention if they shove blatantly bad reads down our throat here. So either way their reads are probably going to be good D1.

I am likely going to prioritize hammering on the reads we have in our Venn diagram overlap as those are the most likely to be hits. If we don't get pelts after a bit it will be obvious something is rotten.

As mentioned earlier, I find Boquise, Wilgy and Lucy townie in addition to JJJ and Mac. I am hands off Rondo for now in deference to Mac's read. Nate feels like someone a little out of their depth but trying to do the best he can to be part of the solving which I think is a pretty okay place to be in.

Seanzie has been ~fine. He started off a little weaker than usual but his ISO of me was decent. I wouldn't put him in my town squad but I don't really have interest in a Seanzie exe today.

I interpreted Ender's cryptic approach to Seanzie earlier as a way to fish for reactions with him like he did with JJJ but he hasn't really followed through on that promise which leaves me wondering why he did it. I am also unnerved by how hands-off he is with Rondo, who he knows well and even gave advice on how to read. It's weird that me and Mac have a stronger read on Rondo than the guy who knows him the best.

Loosely, I have a POE pool of Falcon, Creature and Ender. The afks remain null, maybe bump Dizzy a bit higher since he is more shameless about lurking when he is town and feels obligated to try a bit harder as scum.

The fact that I know him best and am not making a read should tell y'all to be more careful.

I actually do think Mac is right for now but Mac's confidence is very strong. I can tell you 100% that Rondo could fake this D1 as wolf, with the caveat that he hasn't wolfed in forum yet and I know he's not 100% confident he can do the same level of fakery first try.

But that being said he's very capable of it irl so benefit of the doubt means I'm wary to trust anything I'm not confident is town indicative of him.

Thank you!

[G-Man]

HOST NOTE:

I failed to include in the Gameplay section of the OP that night phases will be closed. I will lock the thread shortly after the poll deadline strikes, and the thread will unlock again with the night post 24 hours later.

It has been added to the OP. My apologies for not catching this omission sooner.

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@Alison
@Boquise
@Creature
@DrWilgy
@Dyslexicon
@EnderWiggin
@falcon45ca
@fingersplints
@JaggedJimmyJay
@lucy
@MacDougall
@Marmot
@NateTheLesser
@RondoDimBuckle
@Seanzie

[RondoDimBuckle]

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The way I see this game is fairly simple.

Mac and JJJ are both playing to their obvious town power town selves. I think they are very likely just town but even if they are I suspect they are townsiding for now because they are bringing down a lot of unnecessary bad attention if they shove blatantly bad reads down our throat here. So either way their reads are probably going to be good D1.

I am likely going to prioritize hammering on the reads we have in our Venn diagram overlap as those are the most likely to be hits. If we don't get pelts after a bit it will be obvious something is rotten.

As mentioned earlier, I find Boquise, Wilgy and Lucy townie in addition to JJJ and Mac. I am hands off Rondo for now in deference to Mac's read. Nate feels like someone a little out of their depth but trying to do the best he can to be part of the solving which I think is a pretty okay place to be in.

Seanzie has been ~fine. He started off a little weaker than usual but his ISO of me was decent. I wouldn't put him in my town squad but I don't really have interest in a Seanzie exe today.

I interpreted Ender's cryptic approach to Seanzie earlier as a way to fish for reactions with him like he did with JJJ but he hasn't really followed through on that promise which leaves me wondering why he did it. I am also unnerved by how hands-off he is with Rondo, who he knows well and even gave advice on how to read. It's weird that me and Mac have a stronger read on Rondo than the guy who knows him the best.

Loosely, I have a POE pool of Falcon, Creature and Ender. The afks remain null, maybe bump Dizzy a bit higher since he is more shameless about lurking when he is town and feels obligated to try a bit harder as scum.

The fact that I know him best and am not making a read should tell y'all to be more careful.

I actually do think Mac is right for now but Mac's confidence is very strong. I can tell you 100% that Rondo could fake this D1 as wolf, with the caveat that he hasn't wolfed in forum yet and I know he's not 100% confident he can do the same level of fakery first try.

But that being said he's very capable of it irl so benefit of the doubt means I'm wary to trust anything I'm not confident is town indicative of him.

there are certain quirks I've built in my interactions with Rondo over several games that give me paths to reading him through how he approaches me specifically and those kind of reads are always difficult for other people to trust or even understand.

as best I can explain it... rondo hates the idea of me being able to read him well because he's very afraid of being the dumb townie who just gets pocketed and I've had several games where I correctly townread him while most of the thread including mafia tried to get him over. in each game he never treated me like a clear and exhibited paranoia of being pocketed. I think he could fake it but I don't think it's very likely that he could do so in a way that fools me.

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The way I see this game is fairly simple.

Mac and JJJ are both playing to their obvious town power town selves. I think they are very likely just town but even if they are I suspect they are townsiding for now because they are bringing down a lot of unnecessary bad attention if they shove blatantly bad reads down our throat here. So either way their reads are probably going to be good D1.

I am likely going to prioritize hammering on the reads we have in our Venn diagram overlap as those are the most likely to be hits. If we don't get pelts after a bit it will be obvious something is rotten.

As mentioned earlier, I find Boquise, Wilgy and Lucy townie in addition to JJJ and Mac. I am hands off Rondo for now in deference to Mac's read. Nate feels like someone a little out of their depth but trying to do the best he can to be part of the solving which I think is a pretty okay place to be in.

Seanzie has been ~fine. He started off a little weaker than usual but his ISO of me was decent. I wouldn't put him in my town squad but I don't really have interest in a Seanzie exe today.

I interpreted Ender's cryptic approach to Seanzie earlier as a way to fish for reactions with him like he did with JJJ but he hasn't really followed through on that promise which leaves me wondering why he did it. I am also unnerved by how hands-off he is with Rondo, who he knows well and even gave advice on how to read. It's weird that me and Mac have a stronger read on Rondo than the guy who knows him the best.

Loosely, I have a POE pool of Falcon, Creature and Ender. The afks remain null, maybe bump Dizzy a bit higher since he is more shameless about lurking when he is town and feels obligated to try a bit harder as scum.

The fact that I know him best and am not making a read should tell y'all to be more careful.

I actually do think Mac is right for now but Mac's confidence is very strong. I can tell you 100% that Rondo could fake this D1 as wolf, with the caveat that he hasn't wolfed in forum yet and I know he's not 100% confident he can do the same level of fakery first try.

But that being said he's very capable of it irl so benefit of the doubt means I'm wary to trust anything I'm not confident is town indicative of him.

there are certain quirks I've built in my interactions with Rondo over several games that give me paths to reading him through how he approaches me specifically and those kind of reads are always difficult for other people to trust or even understand.

as best I can explain it... rondo hates the idea of me being able to read him well because he's very afraid of being the dumb townie who just gets pocketed and I've had several games where I correctly townread him while most of the thread including mafia tried to get him over. in each game he never treated me like a clear and exhibited paranoia of being pocketed. I think he could fake it but I don't think it's very likely that he could do so in a way that fools me.

I will say that I know he's expressed annoyance in previous games that you have correctly read him so I'll pay your read.

But that being said in irl I was burned by doing exactly this so I'm not 100% confident on this.

Now that I know its just a bluff I can better deal with it in the future