The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Someone tape this guy's mouth shut.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:I intend to keep voting this way. Even with Epi now doing the thing he is doing.

What if there are unseen shenanigans that might affect the tally and disrupt the lynch because it is too close? What do you hope to gain from your voting behavior?

What if I'm not bad and I'm just throwing the game?

I know you enjoy your neener neeners, but I don't think that's something you'd do. You're a lot of things as a Mafia player, but one of those things is not petulant.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:I intend to keep voting this way. Even with Epi now doing the thing he is doing.

What if there are unseen shenanigans that might affect the tally and disrupt the lynch because it is too close? What do you hope to gain from your voting behavior?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Go for it. I make no promise to put any weight in anything you say.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Based on my prior work, I think the likelihood of each other player being the last baddie can be ranked as follows (most to least likely):

Dom
Quin
Sloonei
LoRab
INH

There are four townies in that pile. If y'all put in the work, we'll win this game. And it'd be a heck of a comeback. Let's give it our best shot, eh? Don't let the last baddie outplay us.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Quick question Jay- if I'm bad, does that mean I can stop posting?

Thank God.

I'm not your boss. If you'd like to divulge your team mate's identity though that'd be worth a post.

Good game, Mr. Gnosis.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Epignosis is clearly bad, so let's find that team mate.

LoRab wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

LoRab wrote:I could get behind an Epi vote. His posts are consistent with how I could see him playing as a baddie. And looking back on Zebra, I could see that Zebra was bad, as well. Also, numbers.

Putting my vote there for the moment.

I'm not sure why my posts are consistent with how you think I play when I'm bad...I'm hardly playing.

Also numbers? The book of the Bible? Is there some verse about smiting me that I missed?

Well, that you're not much playing is part of it.

And I'm so tempted to dig up a verse that makes a relavent point, but I'm way too tired. But let's just say something about a census, and knowing who is in which group, and there only being so many people who can be civies, and so many people who have to be baddies, and it being more likely that you're bad. Thus saith The G-Man.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:CUNDALINI: A loyal member of Toecutter's gang and lucky too. He will survive his first brush with death (lynch or NK) but his vote will not count after that. He takes over if both Toecutter and Bubba are dead.

If Glofindel is bad, he's inert. Useless at this stage. He can be left alone for now.

If he's good (somehow), then lynching him is a bad deal.

Someone tell me I'm wrong about this. I'd rather lynch people who have votes that count.

I'm inclined to move my vote.

This is a smelly post.

Go on.

"Let's lynch someone who isn't my teammate!"

Who is my teammate Dom?

Answer that.

I haven't thought it through, but I don't like this post.

LoRab wrote:I could get behind an Epi vote. His posts are consistent with how I could see him playing as a baddie. And looking back on Zebra, I could see that Zebra was bad, as well. Also, numbers.

Putting my vote there for the moment.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'll take your testimony into consideration, thank you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Epignosis -- Zebra was a huge contributor and sounded genuine. -- Questionable

"The best I've got for Epignosis is the person he replaced."

Sounds about right.

Yep.

Is there anything you've done that you feel warrants more credit?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Epignosis -- Zebra was a huge contributor and sounded genuine. -- Questionable

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Awesome! I don't have an assignment. I get to play outside.

I guess I'll try:

Epignosis, please show me why you're not a baddie team mate of Quin, Sloonei, or Dom. Also do the other thing you mentioned before.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin: I want you to show me why I shouldn't consider you a team mate of Sloonei, Dom, or Epignosis.

Sloonei: I want you to show me why I shouldn't consider you a team mate of Quin, Dom, or Epignosis.

Dom: I want you to show me why I shouldn't consider you a team mate of Sloonei, Quin, or Epignosis.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If you can show me a compelling case for a Dom/Sloonei, Dom/Quin, or Sloonei/Quin team: I'm all ears.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Epi is bad.

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey INH: you were on the money with your Glorfindel read earlier than the rest of us. Is there anyone you feel is particularly likely to be his team mate?

With all of that counterwagon silliness, I can't help but think either Epi or Quin must have been a Glorf teammate trying one last tactic to divert the vote at the last second, and I'm coming out of Day 8 with a better impression of Dom.

Out of the two, I'd say Quin looks worse. Epi's been illogical and counter-intuitive for all of this game, his first civ iteration included. Hell, him acting irrationally is what caused Sloonei and Lorab to sharpen their pitchforks and point them in my direction.


(INCOMPLETE) RAINBOW LIST:

3J - OK, seriously. How the hell are you still alive? I could see Glorfindel, the affectionate chap he is, not wanting to NK you due to how big of a massive target you usually are, just out of sheer kindness and decency, the absolute madman. (Don't look too closely at the structure of that last sentence. Or really, any of my sentences.) But still, I honestly think there's like a 50% chance you're gonna check out after tonight.

Dom - This is more me not liking how people ganged up against him, and how his train almost overtook the Glorf one. Still not gonna clear him of suspicion anytime soon, but Day 8 really did make me reconsider my read of him.

Epignosis - Epi has two modes: Reasonable civ player whom I often agree with, (Red Vs. Blue) and aggressively irreverent intentionally frustrating iconoclast. (Psych, Mad Max) These two modes are often not alignment indicative, but I'm still slightly leaning towards civ on him, at least relative to the other three players below him.

Sloonei - Sloonei's the player I've gone back and forth on the most in my mind this game. There's just something about how he's playing this that rubs me the wrong way. Working hard to discredit people, making himself the arbiter on what posts are content worthy and what are not, asking leading questions by the dozen. About 50% of his gameplay seems to consist of calling other people's posts valueless, or just asking others questions, most of which are fishing for a specific thing that will confirm Sloonei's viewpoint. Ironically, I've had a hard time finding value in a fair amount of his posts. Now, before Sloonei starts interrogating me for the upteenth time asking for sources for my slanderous claims, let me state that I have no idea if Sloonei is civ or not, and I'm not sure if my disagreement with some of his methods means absolutely anything at all. Note the "50%" and "some of his methods." Sloonei has contributed lots of detailed analysis that I would deem full of value, and by no means do all of his posts fall into the categories that I described earlier. Plus, I'm not exactly certain if I can fit him into a partnership with anyone. He just doesn't fit into any of my mental categories. Hell, I go back and forth on whether or not I'm too biased to even have a single opinion on Sloonei! I can guess what Sloonei would think.

Aaaaand now it's too late and I have to go.

Lorab and Epi tomorrow, sorry.

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Things Quin has never done in his life:

1. Vote for Glorfindel

That's right.

Who do you propose the final two baddies are? Both of them.

Dom and Epignosis. You asked me a similar question in the place of answering one I posed to you earlier, care to revisit it?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You could remove me from that pile, but I know you won't.

Do you know that I've never been universally cleared before? True story: I went ages without a civilian win. I won plenty as bad, but never as good. My first ever civilian win, I had people ready to lynch me...even though I had survived a mafia Night kill...three different times.

Not making that up.

To be fair, suspecting someone who has been targeted for three night kills is highly illogical and I'd at least like to think I wouldn't have suspected you in that game.

Epignosis wrote:Let me ask you something, 3J: What could I ever do to get you to 100% trust me?

I'm not sure there is anything you could do. Ask yourself the same question about me: if I hadn't survived a night kill, would you have a confident town read on me right now? You seem to suspect me in every game, and I probably suspect you in a lot of them too. Perhaps it's cautiousness more than reason, or maybe we both recognize that if we don't give each other shit then it's possible nobody else will.

I also play the game a bit differently from you. I am happy to shine my civilian light with blinding brightness, and you probably don't do that. That's your preference, and one of the consequences (apart from strengthening your baddie game significantly) is that it makes you harder to trust by nature.

If you are town, then two among Quin, Sloonei, and Dom are not. Please help me figure out which ones.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I feel strongly enough about this:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

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Glorfindel wrote:I have some recollection of someone expressing concern at my vote at the end od Day 3 so I'm happy to address that matter here. By the time I got on here, EoD was imminent and after skimming the recent posts at that time, the leading wagons were Elohcin and LoRab with a minor wagon on Sprityo. I wanted my vote to count for something and felt compelled to make a judgement between Elohcin and LoRab. Whilst the result turned out well for us, I never really could see the validity of the argument against Elohcin (I thought the assertion that she NK'd Epi on the basis of their personal relationship - two mature, intelligent long term members of this site unable to separate their Mafia gaming activities - to be frankly bordering on the absurd) and I was enamoured by Sloonei's case against LoRab and placed my vote accordingly. Without having checked back, I'm certain that I said as much at the time I voted.

Clearly, I was wrong about Elohcin and in retrospect (after reading LoRab's comprehensive defence) am beginning to feel I may have been wrong about her too. I am still however, firmly convinced that Sloonei is Town and that he may have just mistaken on that occasion - it happens to the best of us.

I'm off to dinner, be back shortly.

He gives Sloonei all the credit for his LoRab vote and reiterates his strong town read despite the result of the lynch -- he actually used the word "mistaken" here to refer to Sloonei's read of LoRab, which I think strongly implies LoRab is town. That's one of the most conclusive things I've found in the game actually.

to just remove LoRab from the suspect pool. If anyone disagrees, please shout it out. Otherwise I will proceed.

Two baddies and two townies in this pile:

Epignosis
Sloonei
Quin
Dom

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The lynch Epignosis for originally suggesting this.

Knock yourself out chief. There's nothing wrong with offering an alternative use of Day 8. I don't have any problem with Glorfindel being lynched because he has to be eventually, but voting Glorfindel if he's Cundalini is effectively voting for a no lynch. He serves no function at this stage. No power and no vote. I would rather remove someone who has a vote or, ideally, someone who has a vote and has the block. Lynching Glorfindel brings things back around to what it is today- get the lynch right or lose. If Dom is bad and I am right, then the outlook significantly improves. If I'm wrong, well shit good game I blew it isn't the first time won't be the last. But I don't think I am.

Dom wrote:Given we're likely in LyLo-- Epig wants to lynch someone other than Glorfindel because it would end the game.

This statement is patently false. If one of Glorfindel's teammates is lynched, then things are significantly better for civilians going into Day 9. If Glorfindel is lynched, then Day 9 is a repeat of Day 8.

And I don't believe lynching you will end anything but your role's existence.

Now incorporate the existence of Silvertongue into this logic and make the post again.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The lynch Epignosis for originally suggesting this.

Dom wrote:Given we're likely in LyLo-- Epig wants to lynch someone other than Glorfindel because it would end the game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Show me that you've even considered Dom as a townie. I don't think you have. Either of you.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:CUNDALINI: A loyal member of Toecutter's gang and lucky too. He will survive his first brush with death (lynch or NK) but his vote will not count after that. He takes over if both Toecutter and Bubba are dead.

If Glofindel is bad, he's inert. Useless at this stage. He can be left alone for now.

If he's good (somehow), then lynching him is a bad deal.

Someone tell me I'm wrong about this. I'd rather lynch people who have votes that count.

I'm inclined to move my vote.

This is a smelly post.

Go on.

"Let's lynch someone who isn't my teammate!"

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:CUNDALINI: A loyal member of Toecutter's gang and lucky too. He will survive his first brush with death (lynch or NK) but his vote will not count after that. He takes over if both Toecutter and Bubba are dead.

If Glofindel is bad, he's inert. Useless at this stage. He can be left alone for now.

If he's good (somehow), then lynching him is a bad deal.

Someone tell me I'm wrong about this. I'd rather lynch people who have votes that count.

I'm inclined to move my vote.

This is a smelly post.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Glorfindel. I said that already.

Assume he already flipped bad. Who are the other two on his team?

Separately, if he isn't bad, who is?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It should also be noted that Epignosis has done almost nothing over the last few days.

Noted.

Who's bad?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It should also be noted that Epignosis has done almost nothing over the last few days.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Well that answers that question. Voting Glorfindel. Feeling fairly confident that Dom is one of his teammates. But then he's got another teammate.

What do you think we should do with this night kill choice? It's one thing to avoid me for fear of the protector; it's another thing to kill a guy that was being called a baddie by numerous people.

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to lynch Lorab.

why?