The Syndicate

I have to apologise that I gave Boogs that potion so that he could choose someone and force them to make a case on another player.

My intention was I would see what he did with it, see if he used it to make someone make a case on an easy lynch target and from that I would be able to conclude whether he had civvie intentions or not.

Obviously this plan was foiled when I was killed before I could determine.

thellama73 wrote:Ambray, now that this is over, why were you so insistent that BWT was bad? Just curious.

The secret part in my role was obviously what the potions were and what they did, but also whoever I used my potion on I would be protected from that night.

On N1 I accidently sent my night action to Andrew instead of Kate, which was sending a potion to BWT. When I never got a PM back I contacted her, worked out what happened and she said she'd send the potion to him and I'd get the protection on N2.
I sent a potion to MP on N2 and knowing his role, knew he couldn't have been the one to try to kill me.

So I connected that I was protected from BWT's power and I survived a kill. He had to be the killer.

Kate, perhaps you can now tell me how I survived that night? xD
Seriously, I am clueless.

Hope that explains things. And I am sorry that that part of the game got out of hand. It's always hard when you know somebody's role, ie MP's and you perhaps read into things a bit more because of that knowledge and when it conflicts with what you think you know....well, it's hard. So I apologise for that portion of the game Kate.

This was a really, really fun game. Can't wait for your next one Andrew and Kate.

Sorry, but what you did was textbook. You came in and voted for me without really discussing me previously and without giving me even a chance to defend.

If that's not jumping in, I don't know what is.

I don't think Elo was the Spider.

That's a good catch FH, definitely something to look at.

Just looked at the roles again, unless something is going on in the secrets, they can't vouch for each other and be civvies.

With what I know, and unless somebody either tonight or tomorrow gives me pause with a reason as to why I'm wrong, I can't be.
The only other way would be host error and I doubt it's that.

So. I guess time will tell.

I'm off now, night.

linki - SE, well you don't say someone pings you because you think they're good.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ambray wrote:And I don't think there is any confusion. Not on my part anyway. I know what I know and unless you give me any indication to think differently, then I can't because it just isn't possible.

I think getting rid of the SK is more important the baddies atm because we need to eliminate a kill.

And you still firmly believe BWT to be the SK, correct?

Yes.

And I don't think there is any confusion. Not on my part anyway. I know what I know and unless you give me any indication to think differently, then I can't because it just isn't possible.

I think getting rid of the SK is more important the baddies atm because we need to eliminate a kill.

Well I personally throw the SK in with the baddies, so....

thellama73 wrote:

Ambray wrote: So I'm going to continue railroading BWT.

And I will continue defending him! I would even believe MP was bad before I believed it of BWT.

But there is just no possible way!!

The fact that you've taken my first sentence out there tells me you didn't help me survive.

Urgh, I haven't hit such a brick wall in mafia for a long time. Not calling you it, Llama. The situation I mean. Before you get confused.

linki - Why does she HAVE to be, MP?

Anyway, Llama unless you have a secret in your role that somehow prevented me from dying, there is no other logical reason that I see that explains how I survived other than what I know.

So I'm going to continue railroading BWT.

LOVE YA.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Did anyone notice anything in Snow Dog's posts? He was a role block after all.

The only thing I recall is that he did ask me TWICE about SE. But he didn't seem too sure about that.

SE is another person I want to look at. They brought me up serveral times then voted someone else. I thought that was strange.

I'm looking at the roles and unless something is going on in the secrets that I obviously don't know about and MP is saying he didn't protect me..then dangnamit, I was right to believe what I did.

Llama - Well, I'm sorry, but I just can't believe you.

MP are you feeling Llama is civvie from his posts alone??

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:BWT is Hero then. He has to be. Unless there's something else going on here.

There is definitely something else going on here. I realize that your play style involves making very confident deductions, but you are sometimes off base, as you are here.

You think BWT is civvie?

EBWOP: I knew how I survived

The fact that I had said I knew I had survived and you never gave any kind've dispute against it just made me believe it more, hence why I continued after BWT. But coming back today and seeing your posts, well like I say...it's thrown me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ambray wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I honestly need to hear back from her to clarify what she meant there. If someone else understands what I'm saying here and can debate it, please speak now! Or forever hold your peace.

That being said, the numbers don't lie, and in combination with BF's behavior and his terrible voting record, I think he would have to be baddie, wouldn't you?

Linki with llama: Agreed, I'm just paranoid, that's all. We really need to get this next lynch right.

Linki with Ambray: Is that how you thought you survived? Christ.

No, that's not how I thought I survived.
I thought I knew how I survived hence why I went after BWT, but you hinting that you protected me today means what I thought is obsolete.

Christ right back at you, my dear.

Okay, let me try and better understand you here to see if we're on the same page. Why would you go after BWT because you survived?

You are really asking me to talk about things I'm not allwed to talk about?

I can't believe how much I have had to spell this out. Right at the start of my post of going after BWT I clearly stated that I firmly believed I knew how I survived, then proceeded to make a case on BWT which people found odd?

I am just so baffled right now, seriously.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I honestly need to hear back from her to clarify what she meant there. If someone else understands what I'm saying here and can debate it, please speak now! Or forever hold your peace.

That being said, the numbers don't lie, and in combination with BF's behavior and his terrible voting record, I think he would have to be baddie, wouldn't you?

Linki with llama: Agreed, I'm just paranoid, that's all. We really need to get this next lynch right.

Linki with Ambray: Is that how you thought you survived? Christ.

No, that's not how I thought I survived.
I thought I knew how I survived hence why I went after BWT, but you hinting that you protected me today means what I thought is obsolete.

Christ right back at you, my dear.

thellama73 wrote:

Ambray wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How can you think you knew how you survived? This isn't right.

You're hinting you protected me.

The villager could have protected you as well.

I doubt it, or I would have had more support.

MovingPictures07 wrote:How can you think you knew how you survived? This isn't right.

You're hinting you protected me.

Sorry I have not been here. I have worked 12hour days the today and yesterday and was just shattered when I got home so fell asleep and missed everything. Completely forgot, tbh.

I am amazed at getting those votes without even given any time to defend. You didn't know that I would know be here, so...

Infact, that post where SVS explained why I am suspicious AFTER her vote is the first time someone has actually ran through what the suspicions are as opposed to 'I don't like how she's going after BWT'.

Spaghetti, your logic of, I think she's bad because of how she is going after BWT has me confused. We don't know his role, so how does it make ME bad?

BWT. I'll be honest, MP has thrown a spanner in my works. I thought I knew how I survived and it made you the SK and I got tunnel vision. I didn't think MP would've protected me, so...it is what it is.

I want to look at BF tomorrow, too. Especially with how he jumped on voting me. Roxy is also something who is slowly getting my eye. What do poeple think of her?

Relating to Russ, it was irrelevant, because I now realise the baddies wern't the ones to try and kill me.

Hero was. Who I think is you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Stopping by again before bed and then I'll be around to vote tomorrow. I'm fine with a Russ lynch, although just a bit nervous, only because I realize how the numbers can play against us here, so I hope it is right. I'll check in tomorrow and see where everyone's at, but I agree that thread evidence against Russ is not good for him. What do you guys suppose his comment meant regarding Boogs or indiglo being baddie? I want to try and think of every possibility here just in case we blindly lynch him and he turns up civvie.

Also, FH and llama, both of you seemed still sure Elohcin was baddie. Why?

Ambray, I'd be careful about BWT. I gunned after him hard the first three games we played together for very similar reasons (following the thread, noncommittal, etc.), especially thinking because I know him very well IRL so I thought I had him down, and he flipped civvie twice and indy once. He can be hard to read in that regard, IMO, but when he is baddie he flip flops a LOT more. See MOTU as evidence. I think I'm seeing a civvie BWT here, so I disagree, but I am keeping an eye on him and I could be wrong. Additionally, he couldn't have killed you AND insanified himself because the SK tried to kill you, not the baddies (they killed He-Man).

I think Boogs is a much more likely teammate of Epig, currently, but maybe that's just me. He seems to fit the profile pretty well. If I get some extra time maybe I'll re-read him and a few others, but, seeing as though I only have tomorrow and Monday (and a very small part of Tuesday) to study before my examination, I don't think that'll happen.

Oh it was the SK that tried to kill me?

Well, I still think Russ is a baddie, but that just settles it for me. *Votes BWT*

OKay, well I didn't go to sleep so I thought I might aswell make my post now.

Yes, I do know how I survived.

I brought up BWT early on in the game. I haven't mentioned him for a little while, so wouldn't be surprised if he took this as the opportunity to kill me off before I could bring him up again. Joke's on you, though BWT because I hadn't forgotton about my suspicion for you.
I also think you have insanified yourself, or got a teammate to do it for you. Just to try and gain some civvie cred.

I was going to read back through your posts to see your relation to Russ, but I don't need to at this point right now, because Russ has been so kind as to bring that connection up for you in his previous post. A bit of subtle back up going on between the two of you?

When rereading BWT's posts, he has been posting enough yet, but been so noncomittal. He's always leaving the window open to fall on whichever side the thread takes.
Case in point:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Only one little thing Snow Dog's said has pinged me, it's not much to go on, and better to judge people based on current game than past games IMO.

I totally agree. It's hard not to be influenced by the manipulative monsters who tricked me in the last game, but I try hard not to let those feelings color my vote, as we all should. That's why I'm dreading Day 1. It's so hard to choose for whom to vote based on so little.

Indeed. But the good news is we still have about 28 1/2 hours to decide on who to vote for. And we have some pretty good discussion so far. So as long as that continues, I think we will be able to narrow down more possibilities as to who would make for good vote choices.

Once today is over however, I know I will want to take some time to go back and look over the initial discussions from today's vote. I think there are some things I've read but haven't quite absorbed yet and that will definitely help me. Especially if some visible effect is noticed from today's vote.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alex, since you asked, I'll give you an answer since I only answered part of it so far.

The thing between llama and Roxy seems like a civ on civ thing to me. I haven't seen anything that would indicate otherwise. As for Roxy and Snow Dog on the other hand, I'm not entirely sure. I could see it leaning civ vs. civ or civ vs. baddie. I need to go back and re-read Snow Dog though.

And like I said earlier, it's ping-worthy but that's about it so far. Whether he ends up getting my vote for it or not depends on how the rest of Day 1 goes.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Hmmmmm....quite a bit of posting since one of the more active posters has gotten back from his concert. And no, I'm not incredibly jealous of it. What are you talking about?

The part of the back-and-forth between MP and Snow Dog that stands out the most to me is this:

[quote="Snow Dog"I guess anybody who says anything or argues anything early on is someone to view with suspicion right? After all what else is there to go on? I understand the eying of me no worries.

And MP third game in a row as a baddie? What are the chances?

To me, this could come off as one of two ways. Either Snow Dog is being a bit OoT here (that's not quite the word I'm looking for here because idk how OoT you can be on Day 0, but it's the best word I can think of besides "defensive") or he's judging MP too much based on how his first 2 games with MP have gone. While some people do certainly have certain playing/posting styles, I try not to read too much into it from game to game. Granted, there are certain people where I will look at every little thing they say and put it under a microscope every game to determine if they are civvie or baddie. But I think people are more than capable of changing their playing style from game to game in enough ways that behavior in past games can be irrelevant. And really, as each of us plays more and more, I think we can all see gradual changes over time in how we've refined, adapted, or even changed the way we play mafia.

Tl;dr: Only one little thing Snow Dog's said has pinged me, it's not much to go on, and better to judge people based on current game than past games IMO.[/quote]

You can read through the rests of his posts and get the same feeling from many.

Regarding Epig, he made this post

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. Here's some of my thoughts so far. I will stick mostly to talking about the lynch switch and a bit about Epignosis/Elochin.

I definitely think it was a baddie switch. Whether it was to save or frame Epignosis, I'm not entirely sure yet. But to people who are saying that they don't think the baddies would "waste" a lynch switch to save a civ, I strongly disagree. In the current scenario, they get to lynch a civvie, frame another one, and then watch that other one get lynched (because I would be very shocked if Epig doesn't finish in the top 2 in terms of votes tomorrow). So you get the civs to waste the first 2 lynches of the game, and create mass amounts of confusion, wild guesses, and conspiracy theories. And I believe one of the main focuses of a baddie role is to create as much confusion as possible. Trust me, that's how I play every time I get a baddie role. I would ask MP to back me up on this one since I've mentioned it to him a lot, but he's dead and can't comment on in-game stuff unfortunately.

As for llama, he's said some things that have really made me turn my head. His wanting to look at low posters on Day 1 and then voting for DP with the reason he gave doesn't sit well with me at all. I think either him or Epig will be getting lynched tomorrow honestly, because those appear to be the 2 people garnering the most suspicion. With He-Man and SD not far behind it seems. However, I don't think both llama and Epig have the same alignment, so I would throw out any theories about them trying to save/help each other. I think one is civ and one is bad, but I'm not sure which is which yet.

Alright, I hate to cut this post off in the middle, but I have to go run and errand or two. I will be back after that with some of the quotes I've pulled from today.

This I think is a very clever post. He has written quite a bit about Epig without really writing about him at all. Notice he hasn't really given an opinion on whether he thinks Epig is good/bad. He then follows this up with somebody else we could look at - Llama.
Feels to me like trying to steer attention away from Epig.

I am now convinced you are teammates and we have found 2 more baddies.
If BWT isn't bad I will...do something crazy!
Subsequently, will be shocked if Russ is not a teammate.

I suggest however that we lynch Russ today and leave someone to put a damper on BWT tonight and lynch him next.

Now. Off to bed.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Different audio ambray survived an assassination attempt. Maybe try to figure out who that death hope will be very useful.

Oh BWT.

I'm going to sleep now. But come tomorrow? Be prepared for me to come after you hard.

Boogs, what is odd about finding Russ suspicious?

I had a reread through Elo's posts but no mention of Russ so nothing to gleam there.

S~V~S wrote:

Ambray wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Wait a second, Sofi~ you think Russ was trying to kill Elo instead of Epig, yet you want her NKed?

You think Russ might have known Epig was bad since they were teammates, and then advocated lynching someone else, whom i would presume was not on his team, and you want to have that someone else NKed?

Now I think we need to know her affiliation even more, if it is possible that Epigs bad teammate was saying "lynch Elo, not Epig", would that not indicate that she was not on that team?

And I said TO MY MIND. If she comes up bad, numerically, I doubt Llama was on that team, the way the Day One lynch went down.

But do you think Elo might be a civ? Not on Russ and Epigs potential team?

You should note from the timing of my posts that I only noticed this with Russ' posts AFTER I posted that about having her taken out.

Hmm, do I think Elo is civ? Not necessarily. I'm conflicted. I easily see how others are thinking Elo is bad and I am more than happy to follow. My own feelings are that Russ is the bad one.
I don't believe that those ideas are mutually inclusive and believe only 1 of them can be bad with how Russ' posts come across. I shall need to re read Elo's posts.

You thought she was a good NK choice without reading her posts?

And you made that post saying we should NK Elo after discussing how Russ thought Epig was the Zombie, so not sure how the timing plays into this.

Oh well, if Russ is bad, you certainly are not, so maybe we should be discussing a lynch of him, and let Stevie do as Stevie sees fit.

I totally LOVE playing with new people So mysterious

Wow SVS, way to change the context of my posts. I said 're read her posts', as in I shall need to re read them in relation to how she reacts with Russ.

Of course timing plays into it. Yes I brought up Russ as a suspicion for the zombie thing, I then made the post about Elo, then I went back to reread Russ' posts from which I saw his relationship with Elo which made me doubt.

Don't see what's so hard to grasp there, SVS.

S~V~S wrote:Wait a second, Sofi~ you think Russ was trying to kill Elo instead of Epig, yet you want her NKed?

You think Russ might have known Epig was bad since they were teammates, and then advocated lynching someone else, whom i would presume was not on his team, and you want to have that someone else NKed?

Now I think we need to know her affiliation even more, if it is possible that Epigs bad teammate was saying "lynch Elo, not Epig", would that not indicate that she was not on that team?

And I said TO MY MIND. If she comes up bad, numerically, I doubt Llama was on that team, the way the Day One lynch went down.

But do you think Elo might be a civ? Not on Russ and Epigs potential team?

You should note from the timing of my posts that I only noticed this with Russ' posts AFTER I posted that about having her taken out.

Hmm, do I think Elo is civ? Not necessarily. I'm conflicted. I easily see how others are thinking Elo is bad and I am more than happy to follow. My own feelings are that Russ is the bad one.
I don't believe that those ideas are mutually inclusive and believe only 1 of them can be bad with how Russ' posts come across. I shall need to re read Elo's posts.

S~V~S wrote:Like I said (and i am the one who wants to see if she turns up bad, I am not as sure as some, perhaps) I know when i am Ninja, I like to follow my heart on kills, and let the thread take care of the obvious people. But thats me.

Whatever Stevie sees fit to do works with me; its just that my opinion of Llama at this point is tied up in whether Elo is bad or not. If she is, it is less likely to my mind that Llama is, and vice versa. So I would like to see her lynched, but again, Stevie should do as he wishes, not what me or anyone else tells him to do. It's his power, not ours.

How is Llama connected to Eloch?

I'm curious Ruff, you say in one of your posts "As for the current discussion on llama, I think if Epi was not framed then they're likely teammates. If he was framed, however, I don't think it gives us any info on llama."

So do you still think Llama is Epig's teammate?

MP - The fact that Ruff here seems to be very pro killing Eloch instead of Epig in his posts is giving me pause for thought.
What do you think about Ruff?

Oh and fwiw, I agree with MP that the civvie ninja taking out Eloh tonight would be a good thing.

I don't understand the reasoning others are using against it. That we need to lynch her to see where to go next? To have confirmation she is baddie?

If that's how you feel, arn't you basically telling the ninja to never use their power because we need to have confirmation on who is baddie and who isn't?
Sorry, that baffles me.

And tbh, I don't see how lynching Eloh will give us direction for the next lynch. What will it confirm/deny for you? Nothing for me, tbh. I think we have enough leads from the thread and with Epig alone.

Nope, that's exactly why I wasn't getting warm and fuzzies.

Tbh, I've been feeling off with him for a majority of the game. But when he brought up Epig being the zombie and Epig did turn out to actually be the Zombie, alarm bells went off and I had actual reason to be suspicious.

I'm going to be very interested to look back and see at what point Russ said that in relation to the direction of the thread and whether it was pretty much a certainty that Epig would be lynched.

He-Man wrote:Fwiw russ is no longer giving me warm and civvie thoughts

Me neither.
He was who I was referring to after the lynch when I said I was eyeing someone.

Great result! Though shame he was the zombie as we don't know where that kill has gone now..

Makes me rub my head a little bit at somebody though.

He-Man wrote:

Ambray wrote:

He-Man wrote:

Ambray wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Hello, just checking in.

The recent developments have made me really comfortable with my vote for Epig, so I'm hoping for the best there.

I know MP & Ambray were asking for my opinion of Boogs. FWIW I was with him in his apartment yesterday from 4 until 11ish, and any time we were catching up in the thread/posting, he wasn't deliberating in baddie chatrooms. For whatever that's worth. So any theories, etc etc is all him during that time period, he had no coaching or whatnot.

I always have this image of couples that play mafia...

Awkward dinner table conversations, "Oh, what were you doing on the computer just now?" "Nothing."

lol. That 'nothing' is really them sending in the kill for the person they've just said 'nothing' too.

"Darling, what's for dinner tonight?" "Perhaps you can go ask your teammates who you plotted with TO KILL ME!!"

I have th perfect death story for you in true blood it involves you lying on a sun bed....

So kind of you, babe.

He-Man wrote:

Ambray wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Hello, just checking in.

The recent developments have made me really comfortable with my vote for Epig, so I'm hoping for the best there.

I know MP & Ambray were asking for my opinion of Boogs. FWIW I was with him in his apartment yesterday from 4 until 11ish, and any time we were catching up in the thread/posting, he wasn't deliberating in baddie chatrooms. For whatever that's worth. So any theories, etc etc is all him during that time period, he had no coaching or whatnot.

I always have this image of couples that play mafia...

Awkward dinner table conversations, "Oh, what were you doing on the computer just now?" "Nothing."

lol. That 'nothing' is really them sending in the kill for the person they've just said 'nothing' too.

"Darling, what's for dinner tonight?" "Perhaps you can go ask your teammates who you plotted with TO KILL ME!!"

blindfaeth wrote:Hello, just checking in.

The recent developments have made me really comfortable with my vote for Epig, so I'm hoping for the best there.

I know MP & Ambray were asking for my opinion of Boogs. FWIW I was with him in his apartment yesterday from 4 until 11ish, and any time we were catching up in the thread/posting, he wasn't deliberating in baddie chatrooms. For whatever that's worth. So any theories, etc etc is all him during that time period, he had no coaching or whatnot.

I always have this image of couples that play mafia...

Awkward dinner table conversations, "Oh, what were you doing on the computer just now?" "Nothing."

Voting Epig.

Snow Dog wrote:Indiglo died that very night. Maybe she was the reaL armor. her only post since was a picture waving hello (or goodbye) no words itself. Could be she was told she was not allowed to speak. Of course she can oprove me wrong right now.

Er, she's dead. She can't have any more impact on the game.

Roxy wrote: I feel like I could almost have written Ambray's post myself and do find myself agreeing with much of her post. Except I do think any member of a baddie team can send in the kill PM. Most games I have played anyone can send in the kills but still must specify who is in fact doing the killing.

Same for the games I've played. Anyone on the team can send it in, but if someone blocks the role with it written as their power, it doesn't go through.

However, I have also played a game where I was in a baddie team and I sent in the kill even though it wasn't my power, the team leader was blocked that night, yet the power still went through as I sent it.


So you never know and it is worth checking!


linki - Well Epig, as I have said previously and MP has said himself, he has no info. This is all theory. So it doesn't matter to me either way if he's confirmed or not.

Simple answer.

Holy Batman and Robin.

Haven't seen such an active start to a game, with theories and suspicions all over the place, in quite a while!

Although MP is a civ, yes, we must remember what he is bringing up are theories alone. They are not based on knowledge as he was dead for the night, he couldn't use his power. So although I am listening to him, got to take things with a pinch of salt.

At this point though, I am agreeing with him that and Epig lynch would be most revealing at this point in the game and would give us a good sense of direction for the following lynches.

BF - I'd like to hear your opinion on Boogs.

Russtifinko wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: 1. No one has demonstrated that ship was bad or house was good because we cannot talk about prizes. I firmly know that house was good and that you were supposed to die.

I can vouch for this, though I know I lack MP's level of cred. Doubt I can say more. I know someone asked.

Ahhh, my brain hurts! Just what the baddies want, I expect.
I do actually agree with Epi that, in context, the quote MP is pulling reads as being frustrated with Snow Dog and Roxy's debate and not trying to quash all discussion. Not sure it affects your main point, just weighing in there. Also, I can vouch for MP that the house was a good choice, though I realize I don't have his cred.

I also think, as I said before, the Elohcin looks worse than Epi to me right now, and now that I've thought about it more I propose we lynch her first. Here's why:

I think Epi is most likely the zombie (if he is bad, of course). That's because if he were another baddie, it's possible that his teammates would allow him to be lynched and try to distance themselves from him (aside from Eloh, who was probably in trouble if he went down). On the other hand, if he were zombie he'd have been forced to use the switch, since it would have been his only chance before dying. If that's the case, Epi has no power anymore (except possibly using his team's NK), and thus is less valuable than the other baddies, who all have other powers to use. If everyone feels ok with an Eloh lynch, I think it has the potential to hurt the baddies more. Hope that makes sense. On the other hand, if people are more sure about Epi or feel a lynch for him would yield more info that's a fair argument to make.

Now Russ, (I wrote ruff again initially, sorry if I keep calling you that through the game, I don't know why.. xD) you have giving me something to think about.

From what I understand, the Eloh suspicion comes from being connected to Epig? Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that is what I have made out from those that have brought her up.
If Epig is the zombie, I'm wondering whether people think it is worth keeping him around for a bit, because then we know who the killer is.

Kate - Do you only accept the baddie kill from the Zombie, or can anyone from the baddie team send it in and you'll accept?

If we know who the killer is, we have power over them, as civvies with the right powers can block Epig at night. So we could lynch someone else, Eloh you are suggesting, today. A civvie with the right power can block Epig tonight and we can see what goes down.

HOWEVER. Just because we think the zombie sent in the lynch switch doesn't mean the Epig is the zombie. Epig could be anyone on that team (if he is indeed baddie) and a teammate has just sent it in to protect their teammate.

So I have talked myself out of that one.

I think lynching Epig is still for the best.

I love to ramble.


LINKI - Boogs, boogs, boogs. You had to play the newb card, didn't you? People arn't saying your posts are weird because of familiarity. It's your style. Not many people pick up the game like you have done in their first outing.

Snow Dog wrote:

Boogs wrote:I just wanted to point out to help us, The Aether Portal took He man off the poll. Who has been on his side that we can try to conclude is also a Civ?
Also trying to understand, so the Rogue killed Indiglo and then SVS was almost killed by the baddies? Is that what went down?

I would say so.

Plus..as this is your first game I must say you are a very observant and logical player.

He is, isn't he?
Could be that be that he's just a natural, he's familiar with mafia because of BF, or he's being coached.


SVS, you are just becoming a big ball of WIFOM for this game arn't you...
Either the baddies are doing it for you or you are doing it to yourself.

I really need to read the roles. In the morning, I think.

I'm going to assume this Rob fella people keep talking about is Epig..

Oh, I meant Russ, not Ruff. xD

So..

PS. Russ, do I know you by another name? xD

thellama73 wrote:

Ambray wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I like how spread out the voting is so far and that there appears to be no bandwagon effect. It fits in with my suspicion that the baddies are hiding among the low posters.

This post really, really struck out to me. The more I read what others are bringing up against llama, the more it makes sense to me.
Now I'm waring with myself, because llama is relatively new to mafia, but he has still played 2 games so should've picked up the mechanics by now, perhaps not tactics. So should he know that no it's a terrible thing to spread out the votes, because it means the baddies can manipulate the vote?
This post just doesn't sit with me.

I can certainly see your point here, and it did occur to me that the baddies could vote late and manipulate the results, but from my perspective as someone who expected to get a lot of votes, it was comforting to see that I was not the clear favorite. I also think it's kind of boring when everyone votes the same, and so for purely a-strategic reasons, I liked seeing the suspicion spread around. Makes for a more interesting game, IMO.

linki: he man, because I am already under a lot of suspicion and will probably be voted off soon anyway.

A more interesting game? You can have many suspicions, doesn't mean everyone has to vote it.
There is a point to this game, you know. Civvies try to get rid of baddies and vice versa. Kinda need to play stategicly.

If you have just said your first sentence, I would've said "okay, makes sense to me"...but no.

Boogs wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

He-Man wrote:Also epig didn't really fight or deny the suspicion on day one it looks like he knew he wasn't being lynched.

This is true. Having done some rereading of the time right before the poll ended this AM (I was trying to post on phone and got a zillion linkitises, I missed a lot of what happened at the time), I have to agree with this, he really didn't. So while a frame is still possible, the possibility seems more remote to me now. Although it is very possible he could be the civ switcher, or just timing is in play here about his lack of defense, and it is still a frame

His last few posts really are pretty civvie feeling to me, so

It still feels to me that with the votes spread as widely as they were, and having reread, that the drop on Epig at the end felt like a save. He really did not seem as suspish as some of the other vote getters, all of the non boring discussion was about other people, them the boom gets dropped on Epi when it was starting to look like Llama was going down.

I was really shocked Epi even was the one with the highest votes because it felt random to me or maybe even planned by baddies. I am more leaning towards someone switched the lynch that felt he was innocent or that he was maybe the sword or had an ability. I haven't felt any uneasiness about Epi just yet....

No one would switch the lynch this early for just a 'feeling' that somebody is civvie.

thellama73 wrote:I like how spread out the voting is so far and that there appears to be no bandwagon effect. It fits in with my suspicion that the baddies are hiding among the low posters.

This post really, really struck out to me. The more I read what others are bringing up against llama, the more it makes sense to me.
Now I'm waring with myself, because llama is relatively new to mafia, but he has still played 2 games so should've picked up the mechanics by now, perhaps not tactics. So should he know that no it's a terrible thing to spread out the votes, because it means the baddies can manipulate the vote?
This post just doesn't sit with me.


Regarding the lynch, I won't be surprised if it's a frame and it turns out the lynch leaders are civvies. What was the last game I played?? Whatever it was, I was a baddie on a team with SVS who switched the lynch D1 and it meant the thread thought the lynch leaders were baddies and had been saved and the civvies ended up wasting lynches.
Don't want to see a repeat performance here, so I am wary.

PS. Ruff, do I know you by another name??

Voting now before I forget for the night.

Voting BWT. The explanation he gave earlier regarding why he was brought up was not satisfactory for me.

Russtifinko wrote:Wow! There is so much going on; this will be a tough lynch choice, but not for lack of options. Most vocal Day 1 I've been a part of, anyway.

Just to weigh in on Snowie, having read him again, my gut is saying possibly civ. I think if he were a baddie, maybe he'd be getting "coached" to be less defensive when he's brought up. I know it's WIFOM-y, but gut doesn't always go on posts alone.

Ambray, I have no read at all on BWT yet. I had forgotten he was mentioned at all, actually; could you pull the posts?

And did Boogs steal Roxy's pic, or was that one his all along? If he did steal it, I'll be really confused by those 2.

SO MUCH Linki....can't deal with it right now.

Here Ruff

Ambray wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, so I'm all caught up now. Sorry for missing the party, but it was worth it; Sigur Ros is a fantastic band and they put on an absolutely amazing show.

Getting to read all of the posts straight in a row, I thought it was weird there was this sudden push out of nowhere for House early in the Day 0 period. Knowing that people have info, this could be a civvie push, but it easily also could have been a baddie push. If it was a baddie push, I thought BWT's flip flop on "discussion is good, why vote so early?" to "Well, I might as well vote early now" seemed a bit odd. Not sure if it was suspect, but it's something. If it was a civvie push, then I find it interesting Snow Dog tried to argue house, but maybe if he was a baddie trying to push a non-civvie option he wouldn't want to seem so obvious.

Ambray wrote:Woo game on! I promise not to put an early ending to this one for you Andrew.

Also, lol at this comment. Spongebob memories, good times.

I agree with what has been said about BWT here. You beat me to the punch in bringing him up.

In regards to Llama and Snow dog, I don't really know what to make of them - do I know them by another name?
Their play styles seem new to me, so I don't think I do. Very dog with a bone and throwing out some bait to see who takes. Feels to me anyway. What to make of that, I don't feel baddie necessarily..but you don't see people so gung-ho that early in the game too often! Interesting to see how others describe llama's previous gameplays, too.
Roxy I am just seeing as normal, typical Roxy.

linki - SVS has answered my question on if I know them or not. I'm typing this as I read through the thread.


not linki anymore, back to rambling thoughts - Snow Dog has just posted 4 snark-filled posts in a row. Although it is early in the game and hard to come to a conclusion such as this so early, but I am not feeling baddie from him. In that I am not feeling like he has teammates. Perhaps this is the time for me to look at the roles.

In regards to what BWT has posted just now..here are his posts with his D0 switch.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Yay game!

Just checking in for now. I will be on a bit tonight but probably won't be that active until tomorrow since the girlfriend is over. I think it's nice that we have a longer Day 0 period to wait and see if anyone starts to push certain options. I also hope that we are able to get some fairly thoughtful Day 0 discussion going from it as well.

Robert/Epig, is there a reason you chose to vote so early when we have a lot of time to think the options over?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Ambray wrote:I'm going to vote now, like I do in all these kind've polls. Especially as info in involved.

Talking just allows for influence. I'm voting home.

Hmmmmm....I hadn't thought of it that way. Maybe it would be better to go ahead and vote then.

I think I'll go with house. I'm not really interested in the bank unless we get money or something valuable mafia-related from it (and there's no evidence that will happen). And I've never been on a ship so I'm not sure if I would suffer from seasickness or not. Plus I prefer the thought of having my feet on the ground, so I will go with home.

Votes Home

Now I personally reading those get the impression from his initial post that he had thought of it that way before. From this sentence "I think it's nice that we have a longer Day 0 period to wait and see if anyone starts to push certain options."
To me that indicates that he'll wait to see who is trying to influence, then I would suppose vote in a different direction or try to ascertain whether that influence is civvie/baddie? I don't know, either way, that sentence tells me he was looking to wait for a push and influence.

So his explanation above does not sit with me at all.

Snow Dog wrote:

Ambray wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Ambray wrote:
So nobody at all that has been posting has given you pings??

Well, He Man had exactly one post in the forty-eight hours of Day 0 and the First half of Day 1. Then I mentioned looking at low posters and now he has 13. Combined with the general incoherence of his posts, this worries me a bit.

You could say the exact same for me.



Still no one wants to weigh in on BWT.
THAT is speaking volumes to me.

Everyone else is just talking in circles and accusing any and everything that even dares to breathe in here.

Yes..interesting isn't it?

What is?

Well, I have nothing to add more here, so I'm taking a step back. Vibe isn't a fun one in here.