The Syndicate

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:44 pm i just read the scum chat and am so impressed with how much thought all three of you put into your interactions and strategy. specifically sloonei setting traps in his iso and trying to get eliminated before lc. i really should expect nothing else from someone who places such value on interaction analysis as town, but it’s really awesome nonetheless. and spf and lc staging those interactions in the grasslands as well was very nice. just extremely well done all around from all three of you

Eh, not really for me. I need to find a style that doesn't resemble my style, apparently.

Okay sorry I couldn't be here at the end of the day today guys, just pulled over on the side of the road to make a post and a vote. I guess I'll to Alison. Good luck.

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:58 pm I'm not going to directly address the post that refers to an ongoing game and don't think it should exist. If you find an example from a completed town game of yours I'm happy to engage.

Okay, that game is completed for me because I'm dead, there's no Integrity being lost by looking at what is now a past game for me, especially when there's exactly examples of the things you're accusing me of as being Mafia traits.

This is just how I think and play, nutella. Looking back, I accused Epi of something similar in a recent game... still ongoing, but I'm dead so i think it's ok.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:21 pm Epignosis' reason for suspecting me is mostly or all OMGUS.

Epignosis has a much larger volume of 112 suspicion. BIG case, drawing out many points.

112 is in trouble; Epignosis votes for Long Con.

A few posts down, I go into his predecessor dunya's history to follow the suspicion.

In the same game, I stopped to appreciate a funny line by Nanook while we were at each other's throats due to me suspecting him:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:50 am So I was just going through Nanook's ISO (sorry Nanook) and I thought that this line was a thing of absolute beauty.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:33 am
So this is the third game in a row she’s claimed not-town, and the second time it’s funny

He hit that shit just right. Magnifique.

This kind of thing is how I play, not a scumtell. I only had to go back to my last game to find those similar examples, but it probably wouldn't be that hard to find more. You just went to a scum game.

This has become typical. The more effort I put into a game, the more I get scumread for it. I thought I had waited long enough. Maybe I'll do nothing until day 4 from now on and see how that works.

Ok cool. That may be the last time you ever see me try. Good luck!

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:37 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:36 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:35 am nut is a villager

ok

you may be too. but im very confident she is after reminding myself what her scum game is like

I should check that out. I assume you linked it; I'll look it up in your ISO.

Literally going to bed right now. Catch you in the morning ladies!

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:35 am nut is a villager

ok

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:05 pm I'm feeling pretty okay about jay so far actually, and am inclined to listen to him re giving Sloonei more time. Switching my pseudo scum vote to carotte

Even though Sloonei has received 90% of your scumreads in the game at this point, you give up responsibility for that read to JJJ, and vote alongside him on the Carotte wagon.

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nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:20 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:16 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:13 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:57 pm now martin has 2 fucking votes jesus fucking christ...

i mean it doesnt matter i guess but this is pissing me off

@Hally why did u vote everyone because you single hadnedly decided spf should get the gun? what happened to the plan?

sloonei i voted for myself

i didn’t decide that. i put everyone at one vote. that is effectively like everyone having no votes. now we can all decide who should have the least. i dont get what the issue is

The issue is that by voting everyone you are removing both the weight and accountability of your own vote. If you increment everyone's votes by one then your real vote on Carotte is cancelled out. Basically you robbed yourself of a vote here in order to cancel out SPF's selfvote. Why do that? Why not just let tutuu or someone else who isn't SPF have the gun? Is tutuu or nova or whoever that much worse of a doc?

I don't care about this, Hally is clearly supportive enough of the carotte elim to claim equal credit in it.

I do agree with this, and I think this is a black mark on Alison's record. It looks like she is throwing shade for an action that looked reasonable and logical to me. Alison is normally overly logical. Her reaction doesn't sit right with me.

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You townread Alison, and then less than an hour later, you give a hedgey analysis of her here:

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:16 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:14 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:05 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:30 pm so, from towniest to scummiest, i guess that leaves me at:

nutella
tutuu
hally
nova
thunal
long con
nanook
jagged
martin
alison
sloonei
carotte

eh. i don't know how good i feel about those names at the bottom - i'm going to try to focus more on townhunting than i am with scumhunting, because i think i'm better at telling when people are being genuine than i am at searching specifically for scum

feeling like we have very similar views of the game rn, I think our lists are extremely similar and I'd put you at the top in my place. I'd maybe move alison up a bit, and mayyybe hally down slightly but I've felt way better about them than I did at first, otherwise I agree with this order pretty closely.

do you townread alison at all? if so, could you help me see her as town? i dont know if im having such a hard time tring her this game because im expecting her to sound exactly like she did in radiohead mafia, but there is just something about her tone that's getting to me

eh, I don't know that I particularly townread her for any specific reason, I'm just not willing to say I scumread her either. I hate to say null but she's kinda just.... Alison so far.

...and then the next time you mention her, she's lower than Sloonei in your rainbow:

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:42 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:37 pm @nutella where are you at with your reads generally?

spf
tutuu
nova
thunal
jay
hally
martin
lc
nanook
sloonei
alison
carotte

ish

Lower than Sloonei, who still dwarfs your other suspicions in terms of volume. Where did this sudden Alison suspicion come from? The only explanation I can see is "I also think Thunal is town and Alison's push on her is bad, but whether it's misguidedly bad or maliciously bad remains to be determined."

How did that put Alison lower than Sloonei, who you devoted many posts to suspecting? Were you just copying SPF's list? She had the same bottom three, and when she posted it, you made a point of saying you would move Alison up a bit, but when you made a similar list a few hours later, the bottom three are identical.

Then immediately after the yeet:

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:03 pm oh no im not dead


oh no carot was town???


ugh


well at least im pretty dang sure sloonei is mafia

he basically lolcatted in night chat

Suddenly it's right back to Sloonei pressure. You just gave up the Sloonei pressure, which was heavy, toward the end of the day.

I found this to be a pertinent contrast as well:

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:50 pm fwiw i don't think it'll be super fruitful to analyze nova's reads since i think he was a good kill choice precisely because his reads weren't very developed and yet he was a pretty universal townread. that's pretty much an optimal kill target -- someone who is commonly accepted as town, but who didn't actually provide a ton of content for us to delve in and analyze as motivation/spew.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:56 am why does scum!sloonei shoot nova? that strikes me as a bad kill for sloonei to make because nova was one of the few people town reading sloonei and he also scum read alison iirc, the person sloonei is now pushing. so if sloonei is mafia, he made his life harder by killing nova over someone like nut who is pushing him way more and was just as town read N1

For someone who's so keen on Sloonei pressure, the disparity between your and Hally's opinion on the nova kill is notable. It looks like you either don't want to give up your tunnel on Sloonei, or you are more focused on presenting a suspicious-of-Sloonei front, and not really trying to make all the balanced analyses, just the ones that bolster your agenda.

Back to attacking Sloonei, in the next post. I used my quote instead of yours because you never responded to my question. This is actually the exact point that I decided to look more closely at your posts - you hadn't had much attention yet compared to other players, and this post pinged me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:59 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:56 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:54 pm I am exaggerating a bit when I say sloonei was lolcatting, but he really did not post any serious content and seemed completely flippant about the night vote. He really felt detached in the way a deflated scum would.

Why would he be deflated? Town was yeeted.

Because he knew carotte's flip would cement him as the next priority suspect? I feel like that's pretty obvious

Why can't it be town-town, what is it about Sloonei-Carotte that one of them has to be a wolf?

I still don't get why it's obvious.

Ok, I'm going to bed. At this point, nutella is a good suspect. I want to run Sloonei's ISO against nutella to see what it looks like from that perspective, but nutella's treatment of Sloonei is worthy of scrutiny.

There's a final page of nutella's ISO yet to read.

I was hoping for some insight. You sound very sure, so I thought you'd have some fresh reasons in mind.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:51 am ok, nut is not similar to FTL at all. if that’s her best scum game recently, she’s a villager this game

What does her scum game look like?

[mention]Hally[/mention]

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:10 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:49 pm I looked through nutella's posts, and was looking at how her opinions developed. I'm up to Wed morning and I want to take a break.

She pushed the idea that she was really sure that Hally and Sloonei are a difference check, which looks to me like setting up yeets based on town getting yeeted. @nutella why caqn't Hally and Sloonei be t-t? What is it about their interactions? I think it's because you thought they were both wolves, but then their interactions unaligned them for you.

this is very outdated. that was a super early d1 take that I no longer believe in. i'm pretty sure i explained this way back when it was a thing though -- i just suspected both of them enough to think at least one of them had to be scum, and at first didn't think they couldn't be w/w but then something unaligned them yeah. but then later on d1 i was townreading hally more.

It's not outdated, it's looking at your actions in the past. I know that you flipped your read on Hally at some point after. It's a good tactic for a wolf to use to chain town eliminations through preassociation, which is why it caught my attention.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:49 pm Something that does bother me is that you really don't interact with Sloonei until almost 24 hours in, and that's after a great deal of suspicion you have directed toward him. I have been caught before as scum for a lack of interactions with my partner, and Sloonei, up to this point, is basically your only scumread (aside from a couple of jabs at Carotte). This is the first post I see that gives opinions of anyone else, and it's extremely tentative. For someone who prefers to put it all out there on Day 1, with 8 hours left you have a lot of talk and very few suspects. You have a Sloonei mega-focus, and a Carrote "sure".

I'm not sure what your point is here -- that i suspected sloonei but didn't directly engage with him?

Yes, you pressed his suspicion for a long time without asking him anything. This makes it look like your suspicion is something you want to build, not something you want to figure out.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:27 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:23 am I think SPF seems town. The more careful language there is deliberate.

I had to chew on this tidbit of self-awareness for a while

Can you talk about this a little?

I was struck sort of off-balance by that particular hedge from Jay on spf. I don't recall my exact thought process at the time but it just sort of made me stop scrolling for a minute and try to process whether to tinfoil him for being so overt about the hedge itself, sort of like "is this a caricature of jay's precision with his language, or just the real thing" but I ultimately didn't come away feeling like it was a significant point to suspect him for.

I get what you mean now, in that I get what he means now. I thought he was talking about SPF's language, but he meant his own.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:33 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:26 am

Spoiler: show

fwiw, i kind of doubt that this is how jagged would react to his partner being pressured this early into the game. jagged sticking his neck out for a player that everyone scumreads would be such a blatant angle for jagged to take with his partner that it feels unlikely. but the fact that i dont particularly tr sloonei/jagged yet is genuinely concerning to me

this sounds almost identical to a post you made in finale lol. i hope you're right

Was SPF town in the finale? I don't know what this means to you.

yes

Ok, SPF townread.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:46 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:25 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:18 am since we’re talking about lc, what does everybody think of this post? it is, from what i can tell, the most substantive post lc has made and is a push on nut. what do we think of this?

I'm obviously in a somewhat biased position to answer this but it felt a bit performative to me, and like he was pulling old quotes for the sake of appearing to be putting in token investigative effort, and that the actual questions he had for me weren't very deep or complex thoughts, but shrug

i somewhat agree? like it felt kinda random in the sense that i have no idea why he chose to do that with you or why he focused on such old stuff

@long con why did you make that post? is nut mafia?

I wanted to get a better read on nutella, I'm not done going through her posts yet. It's not random, it's things that I think has impact on my read of Nutella. How is that random?

Right now I am checking in with the thread every so often as I do some projects in real life, when I sit down at the computer for a while, I'll continue looking at her posts.

That feeling when "deepwolf" is almost the nicest thing someone has said about me.

I know this is out of left field, but I thought Martin's posting of his game notes was towny.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:12 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:09 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:02 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:59 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:39 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:35 pm @Sloonei what is lc’s alignment?

same question to @Long Con actually - sloonei is [fill in the blank]

Sloonei is mafia. In the early game, as I said, I don't have a strong grasp on why people are Town reading or scum reading others, a lot of the time. As a result, my reads in the early game are often informed by players who excel in the early game. Sloonei is a name I've seen brought up probably more than anyone else as scum, to the point that it was said Carotte being town locks Sloonei as scum.

I would much rather give an answer after I have looked over his posts, which I can do when I'm done with Nutella.

So this is literally just “Sloonei is mafia because everyone else says so”?

If you want to put it in the most negative way, sure. I don't think that vibing off the reads of players that do well in the early game is unreasonable.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:05 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:00 am I also don't like his insistence that I am scum. I don't think he is considering the alternative in the slightest.

I always am. I’ve named you as a suspect several times, but that doesn’t mean my mind is made up on anything at all. I have not seen you do anything that screams town at me.

Who should we send to the grasslands today?

I will have an answer for you by the deadline.

Who do you trust the most right now?

SPF and Hally, I think they're villagers that found each other. Their interactions look pure.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:02 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:59 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:39 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:35 pm @Sloonei what is lc’s alignment?

same question to @Long Con actually - sloonei is [fill in the blank]

Sloonei is mafia. In the early game, as I said, I don't have a strong grasp on why people are Town reading or scum reading others, a lot of the time. As a result, my reads in the early game are often informed by players who excel in the early game. Sloonei is a name I've seen brought up probably more than anyone else as scum, to the point that it was said Carotte being town locks Sloonei as scum.

I would much rather give an answer after I have looked over his posts, which I can do when I'm done with Nutella.

So this is literally just “Sloonei is mafia because everyone else says so”?

If you want to put it in the most negative way, sure. I don't think that vibing off the reads of players that do well in the early game is unreasonable.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:05 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:00 am I also don't like his insistence that I am scum. I don't think he is considering the alternative in the slightest.

I always am. I’ve named you as a suspect several times, but that doesn’t mean my mind is made up on anything at all. I have not seen you do anything that screams town at me.

Who should we send to the grasslands today?

I will have an answer for you by the deadline.

I also don't like his insistence that I am scum. I don't think he is considering the alternative in the slightest.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:39 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:35 pm @Sloonei what is lc’s alignment?

same question to @Long Con actually - sloonei is [fill in the blank]

Sloonei is mafia. In the early game, as I said, I don't have a strong grasp on why people are Town reading or scum reading others, a lot of the time. As a result, my reads in the early game are often informed by players who excel in the early game. Sloonei is a name I've seen brought up probably more than anyone else as scum, to the point that it was said Carotte being town locks Sloonei as scum.

I would much rather give an answer after I have looked over his posts, which I can do when I'm done with Nutella.

Nope
I said
No

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:54 pm General frustration with the state of the game:

Almost everything is nebulous. I barely have strong town reads beyond tutuu and SPF. I might be ready to include Hally in that group. Otherwise I have infuriating "leans", the kinds of reads that I rail against in every philosophy of Mafia thread, and just about zero confidence in anything. nutella is a town lean. Martin and Thunal seem town but there's a case to be made against them. Sloonei is a billowing mass of fog hovering over my head. Nanook and Long Con are the silence between tracks on your favorite studio album. Alison seems suspicious but could easily be town anyway.

We've got to find a way to break out of this reads malaise. I am getting the vibe that others are experiencing something similar, so I say "we". I'm kind of trying to force the issue with stuff like the blind interactions, and it still doesn't feel like the game state is progressing. Maybe another flip will help. We'd better hope so, or this game is in trouble. I don't blame anyone for this, and I don't particularly know how we've ended up in this position. But it needs to change.

For the record, I'm not participating in any of your GTH shenanigans.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:54 pm General frustration with the state of the game:

Almost everything is nebulous. I barely have strong town reads beyond tutuu and SPF. I might be ready to include Hally in that group. Otherwise I have infuriating "leans", the kinds of reads that I rail against in every philosophy of Mafia thread, and just about zero confidence in anything. nutella is a town lean. Martin and Thunal seem town but there's a case to be made against them. Sloonei is a billowing mass of fog hovering over my head. Nanook and Long Con are the silence between tracks on your favorite studio album. Alison seems suspicious but could easily be town anyway.

We've got to find a way to break out of this reads malaise. I am getting the vibe that others are experiencing something similar, so I say "we". I'm kind of trying to force the issue with stuff like the blind interactions, and it still doesn't feel like the game state is progressing. Maybe another flip will help. We'd better hope so, or this game is in trouble. I don't blame anyone for this, and I don't particularly know how we've ended up in this position. But it needs to change.

Hey, I'm trying to give the game some time tonight.

Wow, I had to read the instructions on that one.

Crap, there's part of that post that I forgot to add the link on my clipboard: "This is the first post I see that gives opinions of anyone else..."

I looked through nutella's posts, and was looking at how her opinions developed. I'm up to Wed morning and I want to take a break.

She pushed the idea that she was really sure that Hally and Sloonei are a difference check, which looks to me like setting up yeets based on town getting yeeted. @nutella why caqn't Hally and Sloonei be t-t? What is it about their interactions? I think it's because you thought they were both wolves, but then their interactions unaligned them for you.

Something that does bother me is that you really don't interact with Sloonei until almost 24 hours in, and that's after a great deal of suspicion you have directed toward him. I have been caught before as scum for a lack of interactions with my partner, and Sloonei, up to this point, is basically your only scumread (aside from a couple of jabs at Carotte). This is the first post I see that gives opinions of anyone else, and it's extremely tentative. For someone who prefers to put it all out there on Day 1, with 8 hours left you have a lot of talk and very few suspects. You have a Sloonei mega-focus, and a Carrote "sure".

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:27 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:23 am I think SPF seems town. The more careful language there is deliberate.

I had to chew on this tidbit of self-awareness for a while

Can you talk about this a little?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:33 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:26 am

Spoiler: show

fwiw, i kind of doubt that this is how jagged would react to his partner being pressured this early into the game. jagged sticking his neck out for a player that everyone scumreads would be such a blatant angle for jagged to take with his partner that it feels unlikely. but the fact that i dont particularly tr sloonei/jagged yet is genuinely concerning to me

this sounds almost identical to a post you made in finale lol. i hope you're right

Was SPF town in the finale? I don't know what this means to you.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:47 pm that can't be right, im not vanilla. my pm said hazelnut town

I liked this post, quite witty.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:14 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:06 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:04 pm I should be pretty clearly not teamed with Nutella at a bare minimum

why

What do you mean why

When are our interactions ever what teammates look like

It's not within nutella's scum range to fake the argument with nanook in Treehouse chat. If I am wrong on this you can keelhaul me postgame but I don't think I am. She just doesn't go that far as mafia.

(It's probably within nanook's scum range, he's willing to go a lot further than her. But it's not within nutella's, so they can't be wolf buddies.)

OH right the treehouse. [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] did you include treehouse in your interaction analysis?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:05 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:42 am Lol crosspost nutella

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:34 am

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:28 am I don't get the commotion about Sloonei tbh, I believe that he believes in his read. :P

What makes you believe him?

I "get" his thought process, it doesn't seem like a stretch to me. I wouldn't townread him for that, but clearly don't share the ~general scumread he got for this read.

Carotenoid is mafia, take it to the bank. My scare quote tell has never failed me.

What's a scare quote tell?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:06 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:04 pm I should be pretty clearly not teamed with Nutella at a bare minimum

why

What do you mean why

When are our interactions ever what teammates look like

Which interactions were those?

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:12 pmJaggedJimmyJay do you object to Sloonei being the chop today?

At this point, no I don’t. I can poke holes in accusations rendered at Sloonei, but that doesn’t make him a civilian. I should be more secure about him than I am by now.

why do you keep poking holes in people’s accusations of him if you don’t even tr him? i know we had this back and forth already D1 when you defended him but i feel like your exchange with alison is the same kind of thing. you keep saying you don’t tr him yet you seem to like batting away accusations thrown at him. it’s just... kinda weird. like, you clearly have your own reservations with sloonei, so why does such a significant portion of what you talk about when it comes to him seem to be defending him rather than elaborating on your own concerns with him? you seem like you don’t actually want to suspect him

I know what that is, I just learned it: chainsawing!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:44 pmHaving me all yellow is super lazy dude

Yeah... at the very least, three posts could be said to have wolf equity with Sloonei:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:12 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:10 pm hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

Both lock town now

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:23 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:21 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:20 am Hello I’m way behind

Have we decided to give me the gun yet, and if not have we decided to give it to sloonei yet?

who's mafia?

You know I hate this question literally every time someone replies to a post of mine asking a question with “who’s mafia” instead of just answering my question

So from now on I’m going to reply to it with some version of “you motherfucka” k thx

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:13 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:04 pm Tutu/Martin/[one of jay/sloonei possibly both depends on how their reads on each other develop]/...maybe nutes maybe SPF—think they’re not both scum, not sure if they’re both town. Thunal seems townie but I haven’t done research so idk.

That is a lot of names, nooky.

Town cores are hard sometimes

Not strong I know. Other than these, I do see what JJJ means with all the yellow. Your interactions are lean, there's not much there to connect with other players.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:44 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:00 am I did some catching up - the above posts are sporadic responses to stuff people were aiming my way as I read up. Here's where I'm at. Hally feels slightly better today, had a plausible explanation for not suspecting LC's triple vote....

What is this triple vote?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:08 am I also found this post suspicious:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:54 pm And we will take out Sloonei and Martin.

Remember I was answering a choice between exactly those two players, and another exact pair. I didn't choose Martin or Sloonei to make that statement about, I did a gun to head on two pairs and chose them.

I didn't see that your post was in response to anything, and I couldn't find much from the immediate context. What was the question you were responding to?

It was this one, it was a bunch of posts back.

Okay that makes some sense at least. Why did you choose me/Martin over Sloonei/Carotte? Do you still think me and Martin are more likely scum than Sloonei?

Actually, it was Martin/Sloonei over Carotte/Thunal. It was pretty arbitrary at that point, Sloonei had been getting a lot of heat, so I went with that one.

That (Martin) was supposed to be (Martin?). Looks weird without it.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:03 pmlong con: long con feels like they are barely part of this game, and they seem genuinely unconcerned w/the pressure being put on them.

Someone else (Martin) brought up my lack of concern for pressure/suspicion/votes. I'm just really used to it by now, with how games are played these days with strong early PoE and towncore always forming, I find it better to just plow ahead than worry about the usual suspicion.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:00 pm I guess it's like, d1 is all about the hype, and I can memepost but also make bold assertions and snap reads to generate content and see where it goes, and once d2 hits and we have a couple flips it feels like I have to get more serious which becomes overwhelming and the game fatigue starts to set in.

LOL more oppositeness. It's Day 1 that's too overwhelming, I feel like I'm in a buzzing beehive or the floor of the New York Stock Exchange. I don't really believe much of anything I read on Day 1, because the reads are so shallow and arbitrary to me.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:53 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:49 pm a couple of questions i had on my mind while reading through the thread -

@nutella - i've noticed that your presence is a lot more subdued today compared to day one, and it does concern me a little bit. is there a particular reason why your presence is diminished today? are your reads still roughly in the same spot they were at the end of day one?

@MartinGG99 - i've been reading all of your posts but i still do not have a clear sense of who your number one suspect is right now. where is your analysis leading you? if you ~had~ to chop one person right now, who would it be?

@Sloonei - let's say that we live in a world where alison is town; where do you go next? who do u start fos'ing?

My "presence" always tends to diminish after d1. I enjoy d1s most and usually post a lot more at the beginning, then drop off in later phases as I feel less hyped/less motivated to get into the game -- maybe especially with the discouraging d1 mischop. I was really hoping to just continue my streak of getting n1ed so I wouldn't have to keep solving lol.

That's the polar opposite of how I play.

Martin has given me the most consistent and vocal suspicion out of anyone, and we're the only pair you find has m-m potential?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:02 pm How would you feel if Alison flips town?

My first emergent thought would be "I may be wrong about Thunal", and I'd view it as a reason to really reassess you and Hally too. Even if I don't follow or feel compelled by her cases, Alison is a capable player whose reads should be given consideration if they're confirmed as genuine.

What’s the best reason to suspect LC?

Red name, shady avatar, very shady name, general slankiness.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:20 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:31 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:26 pm not actually here but uh

what on earth happened in that treehouse

Did you look at the chat yet? I just linked it.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:40 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:39 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:34 pm Dont tell me u DMd her rofl

No, I just wanted to try a weird trap and see if Hally had access to the treehouse from scumchat.

I did not link it, I wanted Hally to say something like "yeah I skimmed it" so that I could potentially catch them.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:43 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:40 pm Oh was a joke lol soz

Ur like, a dry humor type of gal aint ya? Or how do u call it. Pan faced? Stone faced

Not really a joke either. I just thought I maybe had a 0.001% chance of catching scum!Hally in a small gambit.

I'm doing blind interactions. This bit inspired me to ask a general question to the game:

Are Thunal and Hally compatible as mafia teammates with the above posts in mind?

I liked the gambit. I don't see any inherent wolf linkage because of it.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:00 am I did some catching up - the above posts are sporadic responses to stuff people were aiming my way as I read up. Here's where I'm at. Hally feels slightly better today, had a plausible explanation for not suspecting LC's triple vote....

What is this triple vote?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:08 am I also found this post suspicious:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:54 pm And we will take out Sloonei and Martin.

Remember I was answering a choice between exactly those two players, and another exact pair. I didn't choose Martin or Sloonei to make that statement about, I did a gun to head on two pairs and chose them.

I didn't see that your post was in response to anything, and I couldn't find much from the immediate context. What was the question you were responding to?

It was this one, it was a bunch of posts back.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:45 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Is this to kick my butt into some action? I'll get there.

Lots of folks continue to talk about Long Con suspicion or Long Con non-town-reads, but there hasn't been much doing anything about it. So I did something about it. By all means take it as a butt kick and do your thing.

So you're doing what Thunal thinks it would be Towny to do.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:45 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Is this to kick my butt into some action? I'll get there.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:00 am I did some catching up - the above posts are sporadic responses to stuff people were aiming my way as I read up. Here's where I'm at. Hally feels slightly better today, had a plausible explanation for not suspecting LC's triple vote....

What is this triple vote?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:08 am I also found this post suspicious:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:54 pm And we will take out Sloonei and Martin.

Remember I was answering a choice between exactly those two players, and another exact pair. I didn't choose Martin or Sloonei to make that statement about, I did a gun to head on two pairs and chose them.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:30 pm you're generally right tutuu but if anyone does fake derp clears it's long con lmao

i dont really think that's the case here though and have generally thought he's been town anyway

I have never once done a fake derpclear.

I should do my homework then.

Maybe I misunderstand. I thought you were saying that, if the group sends a town and a mafia, then the mafia would choose to send another mafia so that they could subvert the democratic process and yeet a town member that was supposed to be safe.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:06 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:01 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:11 pm Caveat that I’m not sure how many scum teams think this way but

It’s almost always better for scum in that situation to send town unless SPF is mafia. So very good chance that Hally and SPF are aligned, and because carot was shot and flipped green, very good chance they’re both town.


Caveat that I’m not sure how many teams think this way, so it’s not like...not 100% locked in. But high likelihood imo.

I don't understand why you think this way so I can't assume that the mafia team does too.

Carot is town and SPF is mafia -> better to send second mafia most of the time, makes sure that town dies

Carot is town and SPF is town -> better to send third town, makes sure that town dies


There’s obviously some amount of uncertainty in this cause it’s not immediately clear how many mafia will think about it this way, and there’s some room for playing suboptimally on purpose even if they do/did think about it this way

On Night 1 though? Wouldn't that out two mafia members immediately?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:54 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:40 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:32 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:48 pm Eh I’m not sure I can read tutu this game

I think it's going to be really hard to know, when she finally rands wolf, due to her having no wolf records on this site. I don't know what it looks like.

what should we do today, Mr. Con?

I'm going to do some ISO looking today, and I'll get back to you on that, if that's ok.

Which ISOs do you want to look at and why? if you're not already doing that.

nutella is the first name to come to mind. I've seen some people say she's towny, but I don't know why.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:32 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:48 pm Eh I’m not sure I can read tutu this game

I think it's going to be really hard to know, when she finally rands wolf, due to her having no wolf records on this site. I don't know what it looks like.

what should we do today, Mr. Con?

I'm going to do some ISO looking today, and I'll get back to you on that, if that's ok.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:48 pm Eh I’m not sure I can read tutu this game

I think it's going to be really hard to know, when she finally rands wolf, due to her having no wolf records on this site. I don't know what it looks like.