The Syndicate

There was a pb or chocolate on the TSM questionnaire Rox and I love Reese's stuff. The trees are her favourite, but I prefer the eggs because it has the maximum pb to chocolate ratio I never had any idea the question didn't go to Rox since you got it right

I was going to ask you a question soon actually. I planned to use that office gif you used during TSM

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:splints, at first I thought your question to me came from TheFloyd73. :P

Nope! Your question originally meant to have more answers, but those are two of my favourite albums and I didn't want to put crappier albums in the same category.

You mentioned liking Pink Floyd in the interrogation room, so I knew you would pick that option. I also hoped I could somehow work in the game thread that I have hosted both a Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin game on other sites in the thread so you would know it was me. (Or possibly Roxy - who was my cohost for both)

I found how it was redirected. Too bad. Roxy would have known it was me from the question Rico probably thought it was strange lol

I can't believe you guys let Russ make it this far. One of the most obvious baddie games I have ever seen!
Thanks for hosting Mp and Sloonei

I'm still a little confused as to how I died. I guess I was mod killed after all? Idk

Ricochet wrote:

motel room -- 3 -- LYNCHED
Ricochet -- 2
Metalmarsh89 -- 0

Metalmarsh89 used an extra vote (thanks to fingersplints) on motel room, which saved Ricochet from having to face another tie.
JJJ's range was 7 (-3, 0, +3) and his vote ended up on Russtifinko.

Diiny -- 3 (LOST) -- LYNCHED
Ricochet -- 3 (WON)

Ricochet survives another tie!
JJJ's range was 9 (-4, 0, +4) and his vote ended up on Metalmarsh89.

Ricochet -- 4 -- LYNCHED
Russtifinko -- 3

Ricochet uses his extra (secret) vote (thanks to fingersplints) on Russtifinko, hypothetically tying the tally. But...
JJJ's range was 9 (-4, 0, +4) and his vote ended up on Ricochet, breaking what otherwise would be a tie.

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I'm going to bed. Mafia over. Real life takes over starting tomorrow. I'll probably come back with spreadsheets (although it's not as if they're scrambled completely by what actually happened) and more nopes.

I thought my case on you was effin' awesome.

If by awesome you mean bonkers...

How did my question get redirected to Rico?

When I want maturity lessons, Russ, I will get them from someone who isn't such a hypocrite. Your posts are so contradictory it would be funny if I wasn't so angry.

I've asked to be modkilled. Shit like this isn't fun to read and not worth my time. Vote russ[/u] you may say I am crying about how others aren't playing the game right but I've never said anything if the sort just that I don't like being ignored and it's rude to completely ignore replacements. Cause it is. You on the other hand have made it out that I'm not playing right by not posting more or mentioning every other player. i haven't attacked every player who has suspected me. I'm pretty sure I suspected BR first before she even mentioned me. Remember I was "making a mountain out of a molehill" about her Roxy comments. Keep defending BR though. Hopefully more of your teammates follow your bad play and you can lead us to them.

I'm not sure what Russ is expecting out of my post wise and it's a bit unfair as he isn't holding himself or anyone else to the same criteria. He is talking about mostly the same people as I am,and not making mention of the vast majority of the players, but I'm tunnelling. It honestly just feels like he is reiterating what others already said

I don't think it's fair to say I am not saying anything else russ. I have pointed out a possible other connection, to BR but I'd rather make sure she is bad first. I also asked about the golden/Bullz thing. It doesn't even seem like you are reading my posts to know what you are talking about.

Also @ Russ - black rock and I have been playing since 2011 together and she is correct we somehow, whether by our own devices or host mechanics, seem to be at odds. I dont find her the easiest person to read, however she is one of two people I think that I have finally figured out how to read them better. It's a slight tone thing that's hard to explain, but it's what lead me to her instantly in Economics and I see the exact same BR here.

I know she said Roxy isn't an easy target, but I don't think that is true. She was distracted and taking some heat already. It was an easy vote. (Just to clarify - I am by no means accusing BR of using Roxys RL situation to her advantage. But perhaps she should consider that I knew all that, and decided to defend someone I feel most strongly is a civvie who I knew would not be able to herself at that time)

Also since I forgot to say earlier sorry to hear about all your troubles Matt. If you ever need anyone to talk to I'm here.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:fingersplints was highly aggressive against Black Rock in Economics Mafia. Turned out she was town and BR was mafia, so her read was accurate. Does anyone who played in or observed that game feel this parallel is meaningful?

Let's see. Economics: fingersplints is a civvie and thinks black rock is bad. fingersplints is accused of tunneling and only talking about one thing. (Black rock being bad). A bunch of civvies die while no one listens to fingersplints. Black rock is finally lynched and someone else gets credit despite fingersplints mentioning her first.

Shaping up to be exactly the same. I'm a civvie. Black rock is bad. No one is listening to me, as I am being accused of focusing on one subject (Roxy), while other civvies are being lynched instead.

Perhaps the reasons why the civvies keep losing is because they keep listening to the same leaders. Perhaps they should try following someone else for a change.

I'm a bit surprised Russ doesn't remember something that happened in his games, especially since I feel it was kind of important. I remember exact specifics of all my game. Like my first contest I ever hosted in 2011 was won by manu for a poem titled "my life as a princess" :lol: idk maybe he really doesn't remember, but maybe he doesn't want to see how similar my game is to there. Idk just thinking. He seems kinda rational about his thoughts so he is on my undecided list for now.

I gotta try and figure out what was going on with that golden/Bullz thing I remember skimming early. My gut reaction is that Bullz is a civvie, but I think I always think that. Does anyone feel very civvie or baddie about him?

RadicalFuzz wrote:J3 do you find town boring?

Splints the first engagement I had in thread was someone trying to insinuate that I was Mafia. I'm not going to pity you for your biting off more than you can chew when you signed up to be a sub or for nobody answerinf a question you asked once. Don't just ask once then get annoyed, ask again, ask until everyone gets so sick of seeing the question that they answer it just to make you stop.

I asked each individual question only once but was ignored on 3 accounts. I'm not trying to get pity. I'm just saying that ship has sailed for a more invested splints. It's hard to change how interested in something you are when nothing has changed to make me more interested.

You can argue that is how you think I should handle it but let me put it to you this way. Me asking again would have been ignored again. This has not been ignored. So I think my strategy was valid. It got attention.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Fuck now I messed up and pressed send too soon

Whatever I deserve to die. Hope you all lynch me

What did you mess up?

I messed up by missing the votes so I deserve to die.

Then I messed up deserving to die.

All in all I think I deserve to die now for not being able to handle deserving to die.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Y'all should take a side in the Roxy/Black Rock/fingersplints combat. I find fingersplints the most suspicious, due in part but not entirely to the content from llama that preceded her.

If you all side towards me being bad you can remember when I am lynched and revealed as a civvie how jay several times tried to push the attention away from BR towards me.

So do you think I'm bad or?

I'd need to see if I am right about BR, and if I am that would be something I would consider given that defense, but it's not definite.

I deserve to die for missing the vote.

MacDougall wrote:I know that. Don't you find it weird that he would just have two browser tabs open on the home page of the site? Like, who does that?

I have had on my computer for the syndicate about 8 tabs open for a month because I was hosting and I needed multiple areas at a time.

Epi is not suspicious to me for it, since it's plausible he keeps one open for moderator reasons or some shit. Or maybe he wanted to keep open TSM to see he won.
plus he also seems to find BR suspicious. So he is ok in my book!


I deserve to die

Fuck now I messed up and pressed send too soon

Whatever I deserve to die. Hope you all lynch me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Y'all should take a side in the Roxy/Black Rock/fingersplints combat. I find fingersplints the most suspicious, due in part but not entirely to the content from llama that preceded her.

If you all side towards me being bad you can remember when I am lynched and revealed as a civvie how jay several times tried to push the attention away from BR towards me.

Russtifinko wrote:

Matt F wrote:Before anyone else mentions it, yes, I've voted to lynch a civvie four days in a row now.

Sorry town

It's not so much that you've voted for 4 civvies in 4 days that bothers me, personally. I don't really love that everyone you've voted for is dead, but it is still only 2 people so it's not totally damning yet.

I think your Mac theory is completely cockamamie, and I HATE cockamamie theories, as Syndicate players know. However, I think a baddie you would be foolish to pursue it so forcefully and for so long (over 5 pages). I finished reading that exchange and found myself leaning more civ on you than before.

Also, for the record, I don't know Roxy the best, but all her posts have read absolutely classic Roxy to me. The devil-may-care, I-play-my-game-and-no-one-can-stop-me attitude, the tunneling on Matt F, and just general tone seem normal to me.

I suppose I get fingersplints defending her, but as far as I can recall, defending her is literally the only thing fingers has done all game. That looks increasingly shady to me as interesting things happen in thread.

this is as much investment you are going to get out of me. I joined into the game late and in an impossible to catch up spot but was positive. Very nice of me. Then I was largely ignored. No one welcomed me. No one even tried to give me a summary I asked for. No one answered my question if there was a silencer. sorry if you guys wanted more out of me should have interacted with me sooner.

If you read through my posts I defended her and then people questioned my defense of her. It's not me who only wants to bring up Rox but if you are all going to keep questioning it then I'm forced to respond to it
I deserve to die because I missed a vote

Black Rock wrote:I read Splints posts. She came into the game assuming Roxy is civvie because of who was killed night 1. I know Roxy doesn't like to pick on new players but I also know she can be pretty ruthless. If she didn't want to kill new players she would be less likely the SK but Splints doesn't think she could be on the baddie team either?

I still am leaning one way towards Roxy more than the other but I am going to reserve judgement for now. I find it more interesting that she has voted for Matt 5 times in a row.

I am undecided on Matt vs Mac. I'm hoping to see what I perceive to be an honest reaction from Roxy about my theories.

I deserve to die because I am an awful player who should have a better memory regarding punishments.

You can keep saying that I assume Roxy is a civvie just based off who was NKd, but the more times you say something doesn't make it true. There were more reasons than that as I keep saying.

Want to talk about making a mountain out of a fucking molehill. Your reaction is over the top BR. Why is only Roxy allowed to answer you?

I think you are just pissed off because you were trying to get in on the Roxy suspicion for an easy lynch and I called you out on your BS reasoning. I don't think you ever did answer what specifically made her the SK.

voting BR
I deserve to die for missing the vote, but not as much as BR who also missed the vote and is bad

I don't think it's narrow minded at all. I think her posts, and her votes have been civvie minded, plus I don't think the kills match Rox at all. So it's many reasons. It seems like just trying to find reasons to suspect her. What posts specifically make you think she might be the SK then?

I deserve to die more

No, BR I do not think Roxy is the SK. I have a hard time believing someone who knows her like you do would actually think that she would Nk a fairly new player to the site N1.

I agree with the kill inheriting discussed. If I had one faction killing one night, and the second another, whatever team left would inherit the kill regardless of size. I think I've seen it eliminated, but this is most likely imo

I should probably just be lynched because I deserve to die on account of missing the vote and all.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Sorry for missing the vote. I had no idea who to vote for, no one even tried to summarise, and it's honestly unlikely I will ever catch up since there are 76 pages. I regret agreeing to replace into this game before checking the thread. I won't make that mistake ever again

Sometimes a fresh mindset is a good thing. You don't necessarily have to catch up with this entire thread. You can just read it as it comes to you starting now and share your perspectives starting now. If by chance you make an assertion that is contrary to thread evidence, I am sure someone will say so and you can go from there.

I don't have many thoughts right now. Roxy is still the person i trust the most. I don't expect you all the believe my reads off her, but I know Roxy, and she is a civ. I feel alright about you, and I think I feel ok about Elo, but I am not that really confident about that one. It's mostly a gut read off how I think a baddie vs civvie Elo would act in a game of this size.

I think that the votes look like there could have been a save for Devin. (Particularly the last three guys at the end there - but I haven't read them this is off vote timing).

With a 1 vote difference it certainly looks that way, doesn't it? That's too easy.

Sometimes the easy answer is right one.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Sorry for missing the vote. I had no idea who to vote for, no one even tried to summarise, and it's honestly unlikely I will ever catch up since there are 76 pages. I regret agreeing to replace into this game before checking the thread. I won't make that mistake ever again

I pity you for missing the vote.

Should I be worried?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Sorry for missing the vote. I had no idea who to vote for, no one even tried to summarise, and it's honestly unlikely I will ever catch up since there are 76 pages. I regret agreeing to replace into this game before checking the thread. I won't make that mistake ever again

Sometimes a fresh mindset is a good thing. You don't necessarily have to catch up with this entire thread. You can just read it as it comes to you starting now and share your perspectives starting now. If by chance you make an assertion that is contrary to thread evidence, I am sure someone will say so and you can go from there.

I don't have many thoughts right now. Roxy is still the person i trust the most. I don't expect you all the believe my reads off her, but I know Roxy, and she is a civ. I feel alright about you, and I think I feel ok about Elo, but I am not that really confident about that one. It's mostly a gut read off how I think a baddie vs civvie Elo would act in a game of this size.

I think that the votes look like there could have been a save for Devin. (Particularly the last three guys at the end there - but I haven't read them this is off vote timing).

Sorry for missing the vote. I had no idea who to vote for, no one even tried to summarise, and it's honestly unlikely I will ever catch up since there are 76 pages. I regret agreeing to replace into this game before checking the thread. I won't make that mistake ever again

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:TheFloyd73, why have you voted for thellama73?

rude. ;( I don't see any votes for llamasplints though.

Sorry, I forgot he was who you'd replaced.

Now he moved it to Elohcin. What are you doing Floyd? Talk to me, boy!

I was jokingly calling TheFloyd73 rude. (or at least the action of voting me without saying anything...) I haven't gotten a chance to really look at the role list. Do we have a silencer? that's the only think i canthink of for why someone would jump around without saying anything. Especially after MP reminded to bold votes.

Matt F wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Matt F wrote:Again with the twisting of words thing. Oh my.

Vote me then, splints.

What would you call it then? I say that Roxy wouldn't have been involved in those nightkills of players, and you say that is false because she has been voting to lynch you. Sounds twisted to me.

Don't tempt me. I'm easy to rile up and will vote for you if I am. Right now I'd rather keep working on catching up.

You said she wouldn't kill new/returning players, and I told you how she's been trying to kill me all game. Now, if you meant she wouldn't nightkill, fine, then say that. You simply said "kill". Voting to lynch someone is an attempt to kill them from the game.

I'd rather not tempt you. However, I don't agree that Roxy would be the President of Team Mafia and if she didn't want to kill someone, the other six players would have to oblige. I don't see it that way.

Please, if you think I'm bad, I'd appreciate it if you would give me a full read first. You may think the same way, but that is far better you thinking I'm bad for a few short convos with Roxy.

Enjoy your catch up.

That's actually not what I said. I never said she wouldn't vote new or returning players. She would if she found them suspicious. I said:

fingersplints wrote:I need to look back and find out why Roxy voted Matt f. Looking at who is killed I am fairly confident she is a civvie. With how she is (perhaps I should say how we are lol) about new/returning players there is no way she is involved in any of those kills.

Let's pretend for a minute that when someone talks about who is being killed in this context it means who was lynched (which I don't think makes sense at all, but whatever), it is painfully obvious I wasn't talking about lynched players. The players who were lynched are bwt, Long Con, and bea. All veteran players Rox has been played with regularly.

I don't think you are bad for a few short convos with Roxy. I think you are bad by how you are misrepresenting what I said here.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:TheFloyd73, why have you voted for thellama73?

rude. ;( I don't see any votes for llamasplints though.

Matt F wrote:Again with the twisting of words thing. Oh my.

Vote me then, splints.

What would you call it then? I say that Roxy wouldn't have been involved in those nightkills of players, and you say that is false because she has been voting to lynch you. Sounds twisted to me.

Don't tempt me. I'm easy to rile up and will vote for you if I am. Right now I'd rather keep working on catching up.

Matt F wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Matt F wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I need to look back and find out why Roxy voted Matt f. Looking at who is killed I am fairly confident she is a civvie. With how she is (perhaps I should say how we are lol) about new/returning players there is no way she is involved in any of those kills.

1) Are you saying in a Mafia with 7 players, only Roxy is able to decide who to kill?

2) I'm a returning player after missing Mafia for two years, and Roxy has been voting me the entire game, so your point is null and void.

Watch out splints or he wil call you baddie bc you are trying to stick up for my game style.

Btw, depending on her answers to my questions up here, I just might.

Linki - Wow, you really don't like me, do you, Roxy? Take a breath, girl.

Roxy - Since you brought this up, what is your read on splints so far? Do you agree with her assessment that you would never ever in a million years try to get rid of returning players, despite voting for me the last several lynches? Do you agree that on a Mafia with 7 players, only you are able to decide who to kill?

Please, take your time, but I'd like you to answer these questions.

Where the fuck did I say she would never in a million years vote to lynch someone new? No I said she wouldn't have killed them. And yes, other members would have a say but in the years I have been playing I have never seen a Mafia team refuse someone's request and kill someone they would have that big of an issue with being killed that early. And kitty being killed N1??!! No way. Rox is not on that team

Twisting my words. Yup I see why she thinks you are bad

I need to look back and find out why Roxy voted Matt f. Looking at who is killed I am fairly confident she is a civvie. With how she is (perhaps I should say how we are lol) about new/returning players there is no way she is involved in any of those kills.

Hello everyone, I'm going to try to catch up, but given the size of the thread I'm honestly probably never going to so if anyone wants to give me a summary that would be awesome. Perhaps I will vote for someone who didn't welcome me into the game. Oh wait that was everyone

Matt F wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Matt F wrote:

Golden wrote:It's completely possible he is part of the scum team, but I won't leave someone new out in the cold in case they are really struggling.

I hear that. On Day 0 or Day 1, I would've been right there with you.

But on Day 4...after voting several times...after "having the gist of it" in pre-game...



At the same time, I don't want to railroad a new guy if he is being genuine. Weird, though.

I'm more inclined to believe he is a lost civvie. I feel if he was on a Mafia team he would have some peeps to talk him through it.

If Floyd was on my Mafia team, and he had been rarely posting but making votes without explanation, I would absolutely tell him to start asking questions in thread to avoid suspicion.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I was taught this in my first game ever (I was Mafia my first game).

Does anyone agree this is possible?

(expecting Roxy to vote me again for questioning the new guy) :P

I want to point out while I agree it is more likely, it's also possible for a new player to have inactive teammates and therefore not receive help. The first game I played I didn't know I was bad or realize how to play the game and was all sad in the thread when my teammate died. The third game I played I was bad and got lynches for drive by voting. I had btsc all three of my first games even the civvie one, but it wasn't until my third time bad was I given a teammate who could help me.
Anyways the point of this is this doesn't clear anyone for me, because new players are often coached less then they are accused of. And if in my read I feel bad about mr f then I will keep this defense in mind.