Interactions of Invictus and DkKoba / Syn
From Invictus
Invictius wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 6:48 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:22 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:19 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:18 pm
LC imma be honest i dont think ur reads are like well founded in good faith - like why is Gavial scum here?
like i say this as I dont want to have to defend you from people eager to lim a slot that is playing poorly and want to in fact help you not play poorly here and cooperate with town and good faith hunt rather than push people who are >rand town lol
What do you mean by "good faith"? I think he could be scum. I thought so earlier, and his zaniness seems too forced.
or that could just be their personality...
Yeah, that could be.
You seem to know. Do you know too much? You seem to know I'm town and that gavial's town.
[VOTE:
dkkoba] aubergine
Chill buddy even I know that much and I’ve read 70 percent of the thread
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:24 pm
Ok, cool.
[VOTE:
unvote] aubergine
why did you back off so easily here LC?
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:38 pm
if i have to pick between dkk and falcon im going with falcon because dkk had that towny interaction with nook(well towny frustration). dont really have any lean on falcon, they're mostly null, but my preference is still lc mostly because i felt they were around more and still decided not to participate in a meaningful way.
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:33 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:27 pm
Yes. I’m just forgetful of what/who/why in regards to the hollowkatt suspicion. I think I was focused on the DkK thing when it was going on.
fair enough.
i was also on the dizzy wagon and i unvoted mostly due to their persistent tunneling of me even while facing a heavy wagon. going against the grain and sticking to it even while tied with another poster(at the time dkk, they both had 4) is usually a town look as id expect scum to go more in a self-pres mentality. they didn't even bring up dkk when they could have.
i did mention that it could be due to them being teammates and not wanting to sink one another so early on, but for now i doubt that as i think distancing would be the optimal play in that scenario but it's possible.
i think dizzy is still kinda somewhat suspect of them, but just thought long con is more in his poe? i could be wrong there.
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:46 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:24 pm
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 am
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:23 am
also idk if allison's sleep schedule has changed but i dont like that she has not posted recently at all - she did this coasting strategy when we were scum together last time - which may imply the current wagons are TvT with scum!allison
i missed this. what is the strategy
Its not a strategy moreso i saw firsthand that alison has been active in scumthread when townies were fightjng eachother when we were scum together in bread mafia. Tutuu and i actually warned her to turn off thread visibility bc she was visible online while being asked a question she wanted to dodge lmao
I also was guilty of this as scum that game bc i was happy watching town fight eachother while i got free townreads from ppl ignorant of my meta thinking i was towny.
Oh ya that makes sense as a general tell.
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:04 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:57 am
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:42 am
i guess this is where i reveal why i townread longcon, and the simple reason is, they intiated a vote on me, and thats usually town indicative to me. i guess its not really a good reason but also i think their intentions were towny. they were a very easy mislim in my last game with them.
This reasoning doesn't hold up for me at all. And I am considering voting LC.
He's not a town read in a sea of town or mild town reads.
yes this is it.
essentially town points are a thing. if youre in the thread and you do stuff that makes you towny then TOWN POINTS. obviously scum can do towny things too, but generally speaking if a bunch of people are looking towny and some people have been around and just haven't then i think it's best to remove from there as it helps with POE because eventually those towny points lead to people just being lock town and making the game easy to solve.
there is no real big case or anything, it's just the best move for POE and the read itself comes from POE.
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 am
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:23 am
also idk if allison's sleep schedule has changed but i dont like that she has not posted recently at all - she did this coasting strategy when we were scum together last time - which may imply the current wagons are TvT with scum!allison
i missed this. what is the strategy
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:37 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:04 am
I want to leave my vote on dk cause it's clearly annoying him and his whole thing is mildly annoying to me
But he's probably town so
I'll move it eventually
why eventually. if you got nowhere else to be, LONG CON IS THE VOTE TO BE
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:34 am
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:43 am
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:42 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:28 am
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:26 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:25 am
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:24 am
i mean they are purposefully trying to obfuscate it in an extremely anti town way that hurts solving - so if they're town they're playing like a jackass with no regard for anyone else trying to solve the game
nanook is? i dont really get that impression at all, he seems fine
is this how they normally play?
i barely paid attention to them in bread mafia bc they kept voting town lol
yeah he has a pretty chill playstyle but he tryhards when it counts in my experience
i dont mind him coasting as long as he picks it up when it's necessary, and i trust that he will
the issue is when he's scum he literally has to do very little to get near end game. And every phase counts otherwise why do any of us bother at all unless it's end game
yeah im also rereading my last game with him - he was super active.
like unless nanook is exactly an IC i dont think they are town here. but ive been disappointed by townies before acting this way so ((((((:
again he just did this in a game i was in on mafiacafe, with the exact same comments(to be fair, he started doing more on day 2, so we'll see!)
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:43 am
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:41 am
im willing to also wagon allison for info but i fear we dont have the time to get any information out of any push we make here now :/
really hating that the game started with role PMs sent out vs confirmations (unless im wrong and then pee pee poo poo)
there's 17 hours left?
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:39 am
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:11 am
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:02 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:00 am
my vote is still up in the air, gavial. if you feel strongly about the current wagons being town and you have a good alternative, i will earnestly consider it
but you dont seem to be suggesting alternatives
Thoughts on long con?
i said they were town - why would they be scum here?
for the exact reasons i said. in a scenario where both you and hk are town, scum have to do very little outside of letting the wagons play out and they're guaranteed a scum flip.
outside of that, there's no reason to hard lock town reads halfway through day 1(well 60% through day 1) and discussion doesn't hurt. i just generally feel like their impact is low.
alison is another person that has gone mia since the start of the phase as well.
Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:32 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:21 pm
Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:01 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:01 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:10 pm
Current quick takes.
Alison is town for pushing for activity.
Dizzy is town for reasonable reads and OMGUSing. Good luck surviving til Day 2 Dizzy.
I am town because my rolecard says so.
oof, i don't like this post. do you think that alison would not push to make the game more active as a wolf? would dizzy not have "reasonable reads" as a wolf? this feels like a fairly surface level analysis
I disliked the post for other, maybe self centered reasons. Those being I was more active than Alison and had overlapping thoughts as dizzy yet Marmot didn't mention me at all
does that mean you wolfread marmot?
Leaning that way yes.
Ddk's frustration with nook reads Towny with me because the game I just played with nook had 3 separate townies all get frustrated in a similar fashion to nook(including me), altho that's not enough to really change my read on him. I'd still like to see one of their scum games for cross comparison.
I don't really understand hollow's play at all and I think his accusations against me are kinda bad, but the sheer tunneling gives me town vibes. Not sure why they're so persistent on scum reading and voting me while being tied as the leading wagon, but not shifting their attention over to ddk or even really going at them reads well because they're not overly concerned, at least not yet, with self pres. Unless I guess they could both be scum, but I'd assume they'd at least distance in that case.
I continued to like SPF's posting, seem rather carefree and town to me.
Flint kinda vibed town in my read back too but nothing concrete there.
Not really sure I like long con thus far as it feels like they're just coasting by letting day play out. If both wagons are town it would be good to look back on as it would make sense for scum to just sit back and wait in that case.
Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:16 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:11 pm
that was a bait post and u passed, for now.
What would a fail be? That seemed like a really basic answer.
Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:47 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:19 pm
DK Leaning Town
Tony Leaning Town
I do not understand your reads
Can you give me a link to one of your scum games pls. Someone said this is typical of your town game so I just wanna cross compare and see if you're similar or different as scum
Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:58 pm
DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:25 am
where is the activity overview on this site so i can find whos talked yet
DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:26 am
[VOTE:
long con] aubergine
Just gonna assume person who hasn't voted yet is one of them
DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:26 am
lets do itttt wagon up
not really sure i like this string of posts too as it was no longer RVS and there was clearly content to make reads from and go after.
I forgot to start from the opposite end with the backwards ISOs, so read the posts in this quote from the bottom to the top for the correct sequence. I'll fix that in future spoilers.
Orange: Invictus started with some rather specific shade of DK in that bottommost post -
it was no longer RVS, random vote bad - easy accusation to hurl and given my interpretation of DK's posts at face value inaccurate (doesn't look like an RVS-styled vote to me). I think that's a nice start for DK.
Yellow: Invictus gave DK town points for their frustration with Nanook. To better interpret that, I went back and looked at DK's spat(s) with Nanook. DK's frustration does seem significant, so I don't get the impression Invictus stretched reality to make this read happen. In that way it would reflect a more literal recounting of game events -- Invictus may have felt he couldn't sustain that initial shade with the toxicity forming (where town reads often abound) and just conceded the read. That'd be another point for DK, though I acknowledge this is a complex notion with numerous moving parts and presumptions.
Purple: I'm using this moment to represent the broader exchange between DK and Invictus about their Long Con reads. This may say more about LC than about DK, but I'll log it anyway as a moment of some kind of relative "conflict". If they're both mafia, one guy giving soft credit to [town] LC while the other says hell naw reflects indirect distance where the louder voice prevails (the one that is anti-LC). That's at least plausible, though I wouldn't say this is
indicative of a team relationship.
Cyan: I'm interpreting this post to imply that DK and falcon were both viable wagons at this point? Someone please tell me if not. I see DK finished Day 1 with only one vote on them. Anyway, log this as a standard issue
I'll chop that person instead of this person dichotomy. Whatever the wifom, it's compatible for teammates.
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From DkKoba and Syn
DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:59 pm
Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:22 pm
Alison
DkKoba
Dyslexicon
falcon45ca
Fingersplints
Gavial
Hollowkatt
Long Con
Marmot
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Staypositivefriend
tonystarkprime
this is disappointingly less than i thought.
still a good start!
i dont include scum reads on my lists, but im more than happy to clarify who those are if anyone asks. particularly i dont like gavial, hollow, or koba right now and will vote among those 3.
if anyone thinks this is too many town reads, there's also a lot of town compared to scum! i like to solve via town reads and creating a poe to find scum. for the most part my town reads are pretty consistently good so it works well for me.
Vote me then. Lets see it.
Wagon me.
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:43 am
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:42 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:28 am
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:26 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:25 am
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:24 am
i mean they are purposefully trying to obfuscate it in an extremely anti town way that hurts solving - so if they're town they're playing like a jackass with no regard for anyone else trying to solve the game
nanook is? i dont really get that impression at all, he seems fine
is this how they normally play?
i barely paid attention to them in bread mafia bc they kept voting town lol
yeah he has a pretty chill playstyle but he tryhards when it counts in my experience
i dont mind him coasting as long as he picks it up when it's necessary, and i trust that he will
the issue is when he's scum he literally has to do very little to get near end game. And every phase counts otherwise why do any of us bother at all unless it's end game
yeah im also rereading my last game with him - he was super active.
like unless nanook is exactly an IC i dont think they are town here. but ive been disappointed by townies before acting this way so ((((((:
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:45 am
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:43 am
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:41 am
im willing to also wagon allison for info but i fear we dont have the time to get any information out of any push we make here now :/
really hating that the game started with role PMs sent out vs confirmations (unless im wrong and then pee pee poo poo)
there's 17 hours left?
personally i got to sleep soon and then i have to work until ~2 hours before deadline so there wont be any alignment telling pushes during that time for me. i expect it may be similar for others but idk maybe the aussies will figure something out!
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:16 pm
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:22 pm
I'm not sure I fully understand the falcon wagon. Is it Poe or did they do something?
I'll iso when I'm on a laptop
I thought their vote onto my wagon was an opportunistic scum vote. Thats my reasoning, and their rxn to being prodded abt it wasnt good either.
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:24 pm
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 am
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:23 am
also idk if allison's sleep schedule has changed but i dont like that she has not posted recently at all - she did this coasting strategy when we were scum together last time - which may imply the current wagons are TvT with scum!allison
i missed this. what is the strategy
Its not a strategy moreso i saw firsthand that alison has been active in scumthread when townies were fightjng eachother when we were scum together in bread mafia. Tutuu and i actually warned her to turn off thread visibility bc she was visible online while being asked a question she wanted to dodge lmao
I also was guilty of this as scum that game bc i was happy watching town fight eachother while i got free townreads from ppl ignorant of my meta thinking i was towny.
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:27 pm
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:04 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:57 am
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:42 am
i guess this is where i reveal why i townread longcon, and the simple reason is, they intiated a vote on me, and thats usually town indicative to me. i guess its not really a good reason but also i think their intentions were towny. they were a very easy mislim in my last game with them.
This reasoning doesn't hold up for me at all. And I am considering voting LC.
He's not a town read in a sea of town or mild town reads.
yes this is it.
essentially town points are a thing. if youre in the thread and you do stuff that makes you towny then TOWN POINTS. obviously scum can do towny things too, but generally speaking if a bunch of people are looking towny and some people have been around and just haven't then i think it's best to remove from there as it helps with POE because eventually those towny points lead to people just being lock town and making the game easy to solve.
there is no real big case or anything, it's just the best move for POE and the read itself comes from POE.
Some players just have playstyles that are difficuly to get "town points" with, i.e. people who are LHF in games .
Its best to have a more critical eye and view intentions. I feel like i have a good grasp when ppl are like just scummy looking but actually town. I have made blunders but im well above rand with my reads regarding this so id like to at least be humored a proper case on a LHF slot rather than "scummy lol hasnt done anything "
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:52 pm
Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:43 pm
Can someone tell me about Alison, what the expected norm is?
No clue but i tend to give benefit of the doubt to afks for at least 1 day phase bc IRL is a legit thing. I think there is alignment indicative stuff judging by the wolf game i played as partners with her that there was tactical afk which is a concern i mentioned earlier. If she wants to dialogue and perhaps give some direction where she thinks scum is that would be helpful in better discerning her alignment.
DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:42 pm
based on PoE, I think Alison, Falcon, and one of Invictus/Glavial/Spf/nanook are scum here
if i were to materialize the game universe as i see it with the people i have marked as town thus far
There's some bravado in that first taunt. I'll be conservative and say it could be teammate stuff even if there's no reason it must be. The rest of this is pretty soft dialogue wherein the two kind of play off of one another developing reads on various players, until DK drops Invictus into their POE pool. Within DK's posts alone, there's not much of any progression or read given on Invictus. At face value that's not ideal.
I looks like Syn joined the game after Invictus was outed, so I will move on from his posts for this purpose.
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Conclusion
I had a good amount to say about this interaction from Invictus's side and very little to say about it from DK's side. The material that most speaks to me comes in the former half of the analysis, and it's generally to DK's credit. I'd be more comfortable if DK themself had done something with Invictus in this game. In that way it's a mixed bag, but gun to my head they're not teammates.
Hollow's included in it alongside two others, Gavial and DK. Those who care about "rule of three" might find this to be of interest. I don't care about that.
