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That line of thinking does make sense.
Nothing is out of the question. I agree that there is nothing special making me read him as town. It’s just that your actions make me read you more as scum. But I don’t want to be that basic
“Me leaving a vanity vote on Tim”- well you weren’t around on eod if I recall and Tim was a wagon that could pop off for sure. That’s not a vanity wagon.Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:26 am If I'm a wolf and have TMI on Falcon being a wolf, I'd commit to his wagon instead of bailing. Especially since I already scumread him, so might as well commit for townpoints, right? Either that, or I'd try to pile on Marmot after justifying it. Me leaving a vanity vote on Tim isn't the best play if I'm a wolf, to put it mildly. I am neither saving my teammate nor killing a villager.
As for Gavial - I talked about him earlier. I am quite confident his play this game has been out of his wolfrange, BUT. I haven't played for him for a few months. In theory, it is possible he expanded his wolfrange and is no longer scared of pushing insane worlds as a wolf. That was his wolftell beforehand; as a wolf, he'd be more self-conscious and would try to hide it. As town, he wouldn't be self-conscious at all, which is what I see in this game.
About Enrique's actions - yes, I do know.
- N1, he jailkept Tim.
- N2, he submitted no action.
- N3, he visited Sheogorath (chaos), something I decided to keep unchanged. I assume it removed me from the poll throughout D4.
I am slowly reaching the conclusion that Gavial is screaming instead of pushing.
Should I selfvote? I'm getting the impression you're never going to believe me. I've tried to explain my actions for half this day phase and it feels like a waste of time. This isn't AtE, genuine question. Do you think it's +EV for me to do this here as a villager?
I think that if we can somehow win this game, you will be remembered, like that hero Rudy in the movie ‘Rudy’Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:39 pmI made the same case!!!!Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:36 pmThis ain’t a bad case though.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:15 pm YO. Vulgard/Enrique is a WOLF.
Hi. Hello there, welcome to whiterun. Here’s all of Vulgard’s posts on d4 regarding Falcon and the lead up to it:
(Now I do entreat you to read it all in sequence, because it’s QUITE enlightening)
Spoiler: show
Ok so. Did you see it? Lemme break it down for you.
-he comes out swinging with fresh eyes
-gives everyone a patdown (including a ‘meh’ falcon wedged in there)
-ultimately comes away with a scum team of falcon/nacho/LC/tim. What are the odds...only one of those is bad?
-Tim is baaaad
-the falcon/Tim/LC 2-2-2 tie is a-ok
-(once the falcon wagon picked up steam) well, I’m fine leaving my vote there
-(the falcon wagon is screaming out of the station) that Tim tho. He BAD! Votes Tim
I don’t believe that Vulgard ever really thought falcon would be lynched that day. He was looking for something-{anything}-to slander Tim for, and could justify him switching off and still making it look like he was actually cool with falcon.
I hate this game sometimes.
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:29 pmI mean he did block me last night from tracking Tim.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:28 pm I also found this amusing in my iso:Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:38 pm I'm not sure why I bother to engage with you when you're off in your own little world. So now Tim's a serial killer? Why are you assuming the 3p is an SK in the first place? The number of KP went 2-1-3. Doesn't HAVE to be a serial killer, although I agree it's somewhat likely.
Also, Gavial. Everyone discredits your reads because everybody knows they are awful. This is why you almost never get nightkilled. The only times you get nightkilled is when you're a town PR wolves want dead. Otherwise, you're +EV to keep alive because you push town for the majority of each game.
The reason you push town so much is because you get tunneled and your progression makes no sense. You're not evaluating. Your play is so chaotic and impulsive you get deceived by any calculated move a wolf makes. You harp on villagers who are doing their thing and never reevaluate them. When that villager dies, you move onto another.
Pinging people in every post won't make people listen to you more. Being more accurate, better at analysis, and less frustrating to deal with, will. You declared you'd RNG your reads on day 1 of this game; of course people would discredit them. Even without knowing your usual accuracy, they'd discredit them. You yourself admitted you would rely on RNG, which is <<<rand accuracy.
TL;DR Mac discrediting your reads means absolutely nothing about their accuracy. Everyone's been discrediting your reads because of the things you've done and the way you play.Lots of explanation for his decision. Seems like overjustification. He’s also like the only person peddling how important gavial is for wolves to kill.Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:43 am I've already explained my thought process behind blocking Gavial. I'm surprised he's still alive. He may be Gavial, but he hardclaimed early day 2 and still hasn't died. I understand the logic behind killing greenchecks, but his role is dangerous. It has the potential to out wolves or clear townies every night.
The fact it hasn't is suspicious, like someone brought up before me. I jailkept him to verify if he has been killing people behind our backs.
The fact you're looking at it at such a surface level is wolfy. You're reducing my actions to the bare minimum.
"Didn't read the OP and see the number of wolves, must be mafia." Am I not MORE likely to know the number of wolves if I'm a wolf myself? I know how many partners I have, they sit in my wolfchat. This is the dumbest possible thing to suspect me over. Have you never seen villagers make mistakes about the number of wolves before? I doubt you haven't.
"Jailkept a tracker/watcher claim, must be mafia."
The tracker/watcher claim that's survived this long since an early day 2 claim. Sure, it's Gavial, but it's also a tracker/watcher. Really dangerous to the wolves. Maybe there's a wolf roleblocker that keeps blocking him; that's the only world I can see. But then again, this game won't let you use the same ability many times in a row. You can't visit the same shrine all the time, so I found that world unlikely.
In essence, I thought Gavial could be a hidden non-town KP owner, whether mafia or 3p. And if he wasn't, it was possible I'd protect him from getting nightkilled. Because, like you said, his role can give us clears if he's town. It hasn't, at least so far, but it could.
Me hardclaiming the jailkeep as mafia carries a certain risk. It looks wolfy on the surface, and people could push me for it. "Who would jailkeep someone who gives us clears?" But since I'm town, I have no TMI on Gavial's alignment. I'm not afraid to out it and explain the thought process behind the action.
You're ignoring the nuance behind my actions, and that's wolfy.
The biggest benefit of being a jailor role if you’re bad is to block a powerful role that you know might ruin you.
I just had to look at it myself.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:23 pmYou steal my case NOW? Where were you BEFORE I volunteered to eat a night kill?Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:15 pm YO. Vulgard/Enrique is a WOLF.
Hi. Hello there, welcome to whiterun. Here’s all of Vulgard’s posts on d4 regarding Falcon and the lead up to it:
(Now I do entreat you to read it all in sequence, because it’s QUITE enlightening)
Spoiler: show
Ok so. Did you see it? Lemme break it down for you.
-he comes out swinging with fresh eyes
-gives everyone a patdown (including a ‘meh’ falcon wedged in there)
-ultimately comes away with a scum team of falcon/nacho/LC/tim. What are the odds...only one of those is bad?
-Tim is baaaad
-the falcon/Tim/LC 2-2-2 tie is a-ok
-(once the falcon wagon picked up steam) well, I’m fine leaving my vote there
-(the falcon wagon is screaming out of the station) that Tim tho. He BAD! Votes Tim
I don’t believe that Vulgard ever really thought falcon would be lynched that day. He was looking for something-{anything}-to slander Tim for, and could justify him switching off and still making it look like he was actually cool with falcon.
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:38 pm I'm not sure why I bother to engage with you when you're off in your own little world. So now Tim's a serial killer? Why are you assuming the 3p is an SK in the first place? The number of KP went 2-1-3. Doesn't HAVE to be a serial killer, although I agree it's somewhat likely.
Also, Gavial. Everyone discredits your reads because everybody knows they are awful. This is why you almost never get nightkilled. The only times you get nightkilled is when you're a town PR wolves want dead. Otherwise, you're +EV to keep alive because you push town for the majority of each game.
The reason you push town so much is because you get tunneled and your progression makes no sense. You're not evaluating. Your play is so chaotic and impulsive you get deceived by any calculated move a wolf makes. You harp on villagers who are doing their thing and never reevaluate them. When that villager dies, you move onto another.
Pinging people in every post won't make people listen to you more. Being more accurate, better at analysis, and less frustrating to deal with, will. You declared you'd RNG your reads on day 1 of this game; of course people would discredit them. Even without knowing your usual accuracy, they'd discredit them. You yourself admitted you would rely on RNG, which is <<<rand accuracy.
TL;DR Mac discrediting your reads means absolutely nothing about their accuracy. Everyone's been discrediting your reads because of the things you've done and the way you play.
Lots of explanation for his decision. Seems like overjustification. He’s also like the only person peddling how important gavial is for wolves to kill.Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:43 am I've already explained my thought process behind blocking Gavial. I'm surprised he's still alive. He may be Gavial, but he hardclaimed early day 2 and still hasn't died. I understand the logic behind killing greenchecks, but his role is dangerous. It has the potential to out wolves or clear townies every night.
The fact it hasn't is suspicious, like someone brought up before me. I jailkept him to verify if he has been killing people behind our backs.
The fact you're looking at it at such a surface level is wolfy. You're reducing my actions to the bare minimum.
"Didn't read the OP and see the number of wolves, must be mafia." Am I not MORE likely to know the number of wolves if I'm a wolf myself? I know how many partners I have, they sit in my wolfchat. This is the dumbest possible thing to suspect me over. Have you never seen villagers make mistakes about the number of wolves before? I doubt you haven't.
"Jailkept a tracker/watcher claim, must be mafia."
The tracker/watcher claim that's survived this long since an early day 2 claim. Sure, it's Gavial, but it's also a tracker/watcher. Really dangerous to the wolves. Maybe there's a wolf roleblocker that keeps blocking him; that's the only world I can see. But then again, this game won't let you use the same ability many times in a row. You can't visit the same shrine all the time, so I found that world unlikely.
In essence, I thought Gavial could be a hidden non-town KP owner, whether mafia or 3p. And if he wasn't, it was possible I'd protect him from getting nightkilled. Because, like you said, his role can give us clears if he's town. It hasn't, at least so far, but it could.
Me hardclaiming the jailkeep as mafia carries a certain risk. It looks wolfy on the surface, and people could push me for it. "Who would jailkeep someone who gives us clears?" But since I'm town, I have no TMI on Gavial's alignment. I'm not afraid to out it and explain the thought process behind the action.
You're ignoring the nuance behind my actions, and that's wolfy.
So you agree with my post or you came to that conclusion on your own?
Wrong.
First mention of falcon. Why did he think this
Yikes. Lol indeed. This was his last post of D1, and of anything of substance for that matter.
Like shit man, I forgot about Enrique because what did his posts matter? We didn’t get a red flip until D4 and now knowing what we know...this is a bad look for Enrique.
It’s just that all the times before this we got a host announcement of suchTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:13 pmActivated before the kill maybe? Artifacts gonna artifact?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:11 pmI thought the person letting that happened died.
Wait, did I miss an announcement where KZA was allowed to vote?
But why would Vulgard be wolf? He’s the towniest of towniesMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:53 pmDon't know Gav at all.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:45 pm For the people who do, is this just town Gavil? How sure are you?
I only backed off because Vulgard said to.
So, y'know, if Vul flips wolf, possible shielding going on there.
Aw shitScotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:49 pmGut gudJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:48 pm Just say things like “git gud” or “I’m unchoppable.”
That’s what gud players do.
Gut gudJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:48 pm Just say things like “git gud” or “I’m unchoppable.”
That’s what gud players do.
I definitely haven’t heard or played with Gavail, but some people that know him have already said he’s playing differently this game. But then i see other arguments that say his actions in a vaccuum read as towny.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:45 pm I’m gonna throw out some tinfoil.
In me and Radishes’ semi in champs last year, Shepherd purposely was somewhat out there as a townie. Then, in the finals, Shep lasted longer than he otherwise would have by just being out there and having nonconsensus reads and process, which caused everyone in his semi to gut read him town since “that’s just how Shep is as a townie.” This allowed Shep to get away with not hunting and not pushing his teammates for awhile.
Gavil is essentially being given a free pass for being fucking out there in his own little world. Now, I don’t have faked meta to fool me into thinking he’s town. I don’t have any meta at all.
For the people who do, is this just town Gavil? How sure are you?
So what I take from this is...I need to purchase this...gud. How do I look procure gud?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:44 pmConsider this in the context of who posted the case.
think about that before you open the spoiler here...
Spoiler: show
The roll eyes I always get from this thought is, what I mentioned- “if they’re inactive they’ll probably get replaced”. Yeah... maybeDaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:42 pmI have advocated to lynch out insctives early in game because of similar reasons regardless of my alignments. I stopped, I forget why.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:40 pmThanks Daisy.DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:34 pmyou are not 3rd party scum. this i am confident in. you could be wolf. im not there yet. blame the inactives and subs. I can't see who teammates could be if u r wolf.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:32 pmI often wonder why everyone keeps townreading me, since my votes and apparently most reads have been god awfulJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:30 pm I hate it.
Suggests someone somewhere has pocketed me because there’s 0-1 wolves in Radishes/Vulgard.
Kyle and Scotty most undeserving townreads fmpov.
I hate this game. :angrydog:
Also by the by, I always vote inactives D1, because if I’m town, we don’t get to the situation we’re currently in with LM and if I’m mafia it’s pretty NAI so it’s easy to hide. Obviously, people can replace in but...what if 1/3 of the town is basically inactives or at least barebonesing it?
It’s a win win to get rid of them early
Correct. It’s not like you campaigned foe falcon’s lynchMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:39 pmYou're hung up on me having an A/B pair of wolf reads and sticking with A whilst B ends up being a wolf?Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:30 pmYep, that much is true. It’s just that phrasing at the end there where he said he likes the falcon/Tim wagons, BUT if he had a choice he would go with Tim first. That out is what I’m hung up on.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:28 pm Fucking probably.
I mostly like what Radishes was doing yesterday upon reread.
His main poe was Falcon/Tim/Nacho/Marmot but he mostly spends time on the first two and wasn’t around for eod.
Not being around at EOD is pretty NAI, but it doesn’t help me not view this as a cop out
Thanks Daisy.DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:34 pmyou are not 3rd party scum. this i am confident in. you could be wolf. im not there yet. blame the inactives and subs. I can't see who teammates could be if u r wolf.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:32 pmI often wonder why everyone keeps townreading me, since my votes and apparently most reads have been god awfulJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:30 pm I hate it.
Suggests someone somewhere has pocketed me because there’s 0-1 wolves in Radishes/Vulgard.
Kyle and Scotty most undeserving townreads fmpov.
I hate this game. :angrydog:
Can’t replace them all.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:22 am This is all I could find on Master Radish talking about falcon:On the surface, it’s a pretty long winded post/case about why he finds falcon “iffy” but at the same time his final conclusions leave outs as to whether or not he actually reads him as bad.Spoiler: show
The next and only time he talks about falcon? Towards eodWagon was already formed on falcon, AND he subtly proposes leaning on Tim. If Tim Is not aligned with mafia, then..sus.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 5:10 pm Tim/Falcon/Marmot/Nacho all good wagon choices. I'm sure at least one is wrong, but more than one is right.
IMO Tim and Falc are the more likely hits. I'm good with either but it'll be much less of a headache to get rid of Tim first tbh.
MR and falcon could definitely be w/w
Tell me if that post in the spoiler above reads as a confident case on falcon?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:33 pmHe did vote there. When I voted for Falcon I specifically said something like "fresh eyes and we've mostly sucked, so sure" and piled on as the second vote. I was extremely disgruntled when later the wagon got going and he said "oh I'm off to Tim then."Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:18 pm I mean kinda, yeah.
Vulgard’s iso is pretty freaking negative on Falcon.
Never votes there that I can tell. Ended up on Tim.
That's the thing...the two actual cases on Falcon I thought were both pretty good, and the people that made those cases both voted me instead with basically no reasons. Radishes never did vote Falcon. Vulgard was happy enough voting behind his but bailed when the wagon got real.
I don’t know what this meansJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:32 pm Like if Tim, Daisy, Marmot, Tony, Vulgard, Radishes, Scotty, Kyle, Gavil all not fuzzy?
It means there’s been an uncorrected host error.
I often wonder why everyone keeps townreading me, since my votes and apparently most reads have been god awfulJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:30 pm I hate it.
Suggests someone somewhere has pocketed me because there’s 0-1 wolves in Radishes/Vulgard.
Kyle and Scotty most undeserving townreads fmpov.
I hate this game. :angrydog:
Yep, that much is true. It’s just that phrasing at the end there where he said he likes the falcon/Tim wagons, BUT if he had a choice he would go with Tim first. That out is what I’m hung up on.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:28 pm Fucking probably.
I mostly like what Radishes was doing yesterday upon reread.
His main poe was Falcon/Tim/Nacho/Marmot but he mostly spends time on the first two and wasn’t around for eod.
Look at radish while you’re at itTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:16 pm I'm pretty decent at reading vulgard I think, I'll take a look after I get back from my appointment at the doctor which I scheduled after I took an arrow to the knee
It sounds like ‘‘twas the early arrow that got the worm in this caseTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:15 pm post restrictions are terrible for people who post whatever they think without any effort. i used to be a spam poster but then i took an arrow to the knee
He keeps claiming that he’s not as suchTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:13 pm ok so tim claimed 3p and now im gonna vote gavial because he was there when I took an arrow to the knee
You should get that checked out
Someone wise once said “the best defense is offense”
Yea the point of the game where you explain reads and try to keep digging.
This is a terrible line of defenseMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:04 pmYou're right, I don't.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:02 pmLiterally this is all you’ve said in regards to Vulgard. That you both are going to “dynamically duo it”. But why is he the towniest player here? You give no reasoningMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:08 pmNah. This is a deliberate omgus-like attempt to disrupt the thread and cast shade on Vulgard, who has become basically the towniest player in the game now.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:47 pm The most likely Mac partner I could find was Enrique. For Mac to throw an occasional "yeah if that flips wolf I am distanced" barb and never make any real push towards an obvious LHF is suss as hell. A power wolf is always considering "what if my target claims at the last minute and I have to lead a flash wagon somewhere?" Otherwise the flash wagon winds up on a packmate. To just leave Enrique laying around without setting them up for that contingency...Enrique was pack.
Vulgard came in, made a big "hard worker" splash without really doing much but toss off reads with a thin cover of "reasoning" and providing a new POE to contain the chops away from the rest of the pack...just took up where Mac left off.
Nah. v!Tim doesn't talk to the wolf pack like this.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:47 pm So that's my legacy...if the wolves manage to kill me here. But here's a warning to the wolves. You got that artifact that Mac called me stupid for wanting to keep out of your hands, but it is not the only source of vote fuckery in the world of Elder Scrolls. If you really want to run me up you shouldn't have waited so long and let me accumulate so much money. I can kill whoever you put up as a counterwagon, so you better make sure you get a second town up there, because if I show up as obviously wolf pushed counterwagon to a dead wolf you are NEVER gonna be rid of me.
What's your point?
Oh gotcha. So who did the kills N1 and N4? All you’ve claimed is the Mac kill n3Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 3:01 pmUhhhh...me. It's what we are currently talking about here...Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:58 pmWho outed themselves as the vig? Did I miss that?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:43 pmWTF????Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:50 am I want Tim to be telling the truth rather badly for a number of obvious reasons. It would fit in with several narratives. It would be funny. But especially it would allow me to start working with instead of against Tim.
Also, it’s really easy to verify if he’s telling the truth or not.
Everyone should explicitly CC or not CC Tim. If nobody CCs 3P, Tim is confirmed 3P and we can put all this to bed. If someone CCs, then we yeet Tim and if he flips 3P, we yeet the CCer tomorrow.
The only downside to this is if Tim is a wolf and the real 3P doesn’t CC. I think this is unlikely because with the current gamestate, claiming 3P and being believed probably means you probably coast to victory whereas a real unclaimed 3P is at risk of being nked or yeeted. It’s more the super corner case of a 3P being flat forbidden from claiming in his rolecard. Super corner case. Very unlikely. I’m okay losing in that scenario.
I am town, not 3P.
I never said I was the 3P.
I'm assuming the Mace is some sort of soup kill thing that is collecting our names somehow, much like Alison's power in GoC. I am exactly what I said, the merchant, it's just the what I can buy are writs from the Molag Tong. c"mon man, you've played Morrowind...
The 3P doesn't need to cc me. All you need is some shrine goer to say they went to the same shrine as whoever went nights one and four, but they went on night three and killed Mac. That's the counter claim the wolves need to make.
But they won't, because my fellow townies managed to out their vig. <slow clap>
Literally this is all you’ve said in regards to Vulgard. That you both are going to “dynamically duo it”. But why is he the towniest player here? You give no reasoningMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:08 pmNah. This is a deliberate omgus-like attempt to disrupt the thread and cast shade on Vulgard, who has become basically the towniest player in the game now.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:47 pm The most likely Mac partner I could find was Enrique. For Mac to throw an occasional "yeah if that flips wolf I am distanced" barb and never make any real push towards an obvious LHF is suss as hell. A power wolf is always considering "what if my target claims at the last minute and I have to lead a flash wagon somewhere?" Otherwise the flash wagon winds up on a packmate. To just leave Enrique laying around without setting them up for that contingency...Enrique was pack.
Vulgard came in, made a big "hard worker" splash without really doing much but toss off reads with a thin cover of "reasoning" and providing a new POE to contain the chops away from the rest of the pack...just took up where Mac left off.
Nah. v!Tim doesn't talk to the wolf pack like this.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:47 pm So that's my legacy...if the wolves manage to kill me here. But here's a warning to the wolves. You got that artifact that Mac called me stupid for wanting to keep out of your hands, but it is not the only source of vote fuckery in the world of Elder Scrolls. If you really want to run me up you shouldn't have waited so long and let me accumulate so much money. I can kill whoever you put up as a counterwagon, so you better make sure you get a second town up there, because if I show up as obviously wolf pushed counterwagon to a dead wolf you are NEVER gonna be rid of me.
Well yea, I’m daft. After punk left, where else could I go but back to mafia?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 1:55 pmThis is just daft AF.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:43 am Ok let’s assume Tim is 3p. This would mean he is on no one’s team, and we would want to stop looking at him as teammate compatible.
Gav has been screaming to the rooftops that Tim is SK. Linking Mac as the one to out him.
That is suspicious because this could have been something by they discussed in scum chat and Gav has attached himself to that and expounded it ad nauseum.
