The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:18 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:17 am Bruh. I work 12 hours a day, I was hoping I could catch up. Did it say in the sign ups it was open night?

No, it’s just a thing here. It’s weird, I know. Should probably warn new players about it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:49 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:46 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:43 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:31 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:26 pm I bet you there is at least one wolf on my wagon now

That's a progression of thought. Would you still think that if I were not on the list?

Wow, you are the wolf. I never said or implied that that wolf was you.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I was fishing for reactions.

Wow, that's an interesting turn. Don't know how to analyze that yet.

I was asking because my vote on you was *made up*. I don't actually have any notion that wolves do semantic arguments more, nor do I think you were overly semantic, not that it matters. I was proving a point.

Now, if I were off the list, do you still think there's a wolf on it?

What point were you proving again? I'm slow.

As for your question. I just said I was fishing for reactions, do you really expect an answer to that question after I stated that?

You said town doesn't make things up to test reactions, so I made something up to test your reaction.

If you believe there's a wolf on your list based on my fourth vote, do you still think that without my vote? If you do, then, like, that's something, that's progression. Also, you have some reactions to my accusation that everyone can analyze. I think that's useful, and it's what Epi was getting at. Doing something do spur thread productiveness even if it's not what you really think. "Made up".

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:43 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:31 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:26 pm I bet you there is at least one wolf on my wagon now

That's a progression of thought. Would you still think that if I were not on the list?

Wow, you are the wolf. I never said or implied that that wolf was you.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I was fishing for reactions.

Wow, that's an interesting turn. Don't know how to analyze that yet.

I was asking because my vote on you was *made up*. I don't actually have any notion that wolves do semantic arguments more, nor do I think you were overly semantic, not that it matters. I was proving a point.

Now, if I were off the list, do you still think there's a wolf on it?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:40 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:31 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:26 pm I bet you there is at least one wolf on my wagon now

That's a progression of thought. Would you still think that if I were not on the list?

Wow, you are the wolf. I never said or implied that that wolf was you.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I was fishing for reactions.

terrible fishing

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:31 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:26 pm I bet you there is at least one wolf on my wagon now

That's a progression of thought. Would you still think that if I were not on the list?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:29 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:26 pm I bet you there is at least one wolf on my wagon now

I bet there is at least one wolf not on your wagon now

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:55 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:52 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:46 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:32 pm I havent caught up yet so my vote may change

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Guillo is this vote because Epi said LC should at least be making up things to apply pressure and you think applying pressure is only something wolves do? In games I've played here town players apply pressure all the time to get reactions to help them make reads. I think this is the wrong road to go down. If the vote is for some other reason please tell me about it.

Town dont make things up to apply pressure.

Hence on MAKING THINGS UP to apply pressure.

Sure we apply pressure based on hunches right? Which only exists in our guts. But at least they come from somewhere. If you are making things up to apply pressure, reads generated from that are corrupted.

This is getting too far into the realm of semantics, and it's pretty common for wolves to muddy the waters with semantic arguments just like this. I don't see anything wrong with what Epi did. [VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:46 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:32 pm I havent caught up yet so my vote may change

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Guillo is this vote because Epi said LC should at least be making up things to apply pressure and you think applying pressure is only something wolves do? In games I've played here town players apply pressure all the time to get reactions to help them make reads. I think this is the wrong road to go down. If the vote is for some other reason please tell me about it.

snowmelts wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:56 am [dissociating] (no pronouns as in do not use any pronouns please)

yin is their name, not their pronouns (which are they/them). if we are dissociating it just means we are depersonalised/derealised to the extent that there cannot be a complete understanding of who it is that is in control of the body, but it does not mean there cannot be a partial one i.e. i know i'm not yin but that is not enough to know who i am.

and each of us are more than different personalities. the best example i think of offhand is that one of us named eleora has BPD, and her personality is fluid and unstable as a result, but her thoughts, hopes, dreams and hobbies among many other things are hers alone, they are not things that can be confined to a personality, they are a part of her identity. the name of the diagnosis was changed from multiple personality disorder to 'dissociative identity disorder' to reflect as much.

memories being shared or not isn't something any of us can predict or understand, i feel? but i did not know yin made that post until i read the thread to that point and memory gaps like that are something i'd expect to be a common occurrence in this format. we are using notes as a means of communication to facilitate understanding in place of memories, but that is something that is a regular part of our lives, it is not exclusive to this game.

snowmelts wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:56 am [dissociating] (no pronouns as in do not use any pronouns please)

yin is their name, not their pronouns (which are they/them). if we are dissociating it just means we are depersonalised/derealised to the extent that there cannot be a complete understanding of who it is that is in control of the body, but it does not mean there cannot be a partial one i.e. i know i'm not yin but that is not enough to know who i am.

and each of us are more than different personalities. the best example i think of offhand is that one of us named eleora has BPD, and her personality is fluid and unstable as a result, but her thoughts, hopes, dreams and hobbies among many other things are hers alone, they are not things that can be confined to a personality, they are a part of her identity. the name of the diagnosis was changed from multiple personality disorder to 'dissociative identity disorder' to reflect as much.

memories being shared or not isn't something any of us can predict or understand, i feel? but i did not know yin made that post until i read the thread to that point and memory gaps like that are something i'd expect to be a common occurrence in this format. we are using notes as a means of communication to facilitate understanding in place of memories, but that is something that is a regular part of our lives, it is not exclusive to this game.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:33 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:27 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:23 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:22 am Epi probably town not confident, ask me again D3

LC probably town I think

Tutu town dizzy town radishes town tsp town

I’ll look at seanzie later think he might be town

Can’t read marmot at all

I've given up on being towncore so I strive for unreadable. Oh, and I strive to murder scum. I do enjoy side quests.

Are you a wolf?

As town you never give up on being towncore, if we wanna win this we need to have a good idea of who is town. Unreadable opposes that.

Guillo, u keep saying stuff like "as Town u should be doing X" and "Mafia always tends to do Y"

I dont believe that this mindset will be resourceful or fruitful for u

Most people have established the way they wanna play, u will have a very hard time convincing someone to change their playstyle, and applying general blanket tells on ppl will not result in accuracy imo

Like yes, sometimes u do apply general stuff and thats normal gameplay but u gotta think of the context of the specific person and u gotta consider that every person has their own idea of proper mafia gameplay which is often completely unique from anyone else's!

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:21 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:19 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:11 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:10 am I don't see a point in the game where you scumread LC, tutuu, and your current handling of him doesn't strike me as "top 3 scumread"

Then I invite you to click on my ISO in the Opening Post of the thread.

Legit question. How do i ISO here?

Legit answer: There are links beside the list of player names in the first post of the thread. You can also click the Posts In Topic link under any given player's avatar.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:23 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:22 am Epi probably town not confident, ask me again D3

LC probably town I think

Tutu town dizzy town radishes town tsp town

I’ll look at seanzie later think he might be town

Can’t read marmot at all

I've given up on being towncore so I strive for unreadable. Oh, and I strive to murder scum. I do enjoy side quests.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:11 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:10 am I don't see a point in the game where you scumread LC, tutuu, and your current handling of him doesn't strike me as "top 3 scumread"

Then I invite you to click on my ISO in the Opening Post of the thread.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:47 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:10 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:17 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

But this is just a joke vote though. Hahah.

Pretty legit tho.

92 out of 100?

Do you think you deserve a perfect score?

When I grew up, 92 was a B. 93 was an A.

Fuck all that. Who's bad?

I don't know yet.

If Long Con is a civilian, this is lazy. A civilian by this point should have some idea of who is bad or at least make something up to apply pressure.

If Long Con is mafia, okay.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:37 pm [VOTE: LongCon] aubergine I didn't like their Dizzy vote, just to back off it being non-serious. They never answered my follow-up question about it either, which makes me wary.

What question was that? You think maybe I avoid questions as a wolf?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:43 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine He seems pretty suspicious, and I don't have a better place to put my vote quite yet.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:07 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:43 pm [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine He seems pretty suspicious, and I don't have a better place to put my vote quite yet.

I agree and I will trust this read, after all, there is no one that knows you better than yourself right?

Pretty towny imo, on top of the already existing townyness.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:21 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:07 pm [VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

FoS

Dyx
MasterRadishes

I am happy that a townread of mine has 2/3 of the same PoE as mine.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:50 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:40 pm"Tutuu pls dont be wolf puppy eyes emoji" - I decided that that could be disgenuine.

Oh yes. I read that. And I think it also gave me some pause.

I don't know much about this game right now, but Sean seems fine, Guillo is funny, I think Nanook kind of wants to town read certain people, which in turn is towny, I hope Radish is town, pretty ok with Epi probably. Something like that? We're all town etc.

It's all pretty vague D0-1 stuff. Please do drama so that I can come back when there is drama.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:41 pm Pretty sure we're all town and this is just a bastard game.

Maybe we're all wolves.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:21 pm I was going to defend tutuu because I wuv her, but this

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:56 pm Nothing I have posted has been scummy. The scumreads on me are silly.

is exactly my thought process/reaction when I rand scum and get caught early for stupid reasons.

Tutuu pls don't be a wolf.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:24 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:34 pmOh. It was a joke. You said you hated early townreads so I gave you one.

Hi I'm MR I'm suuuper funny.

I thought it was genuine.

Do you have any read on Guillo? He's been posting a lot.

Image giving D0 reads.

Spoiler: show

probs just town but 'super paranoid' is a sneaky scum attitude that gets towncleared so I'm not closing the book on that, considering he's playing it up a fair bit.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:54 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:51 pm I'm gonna be honest. I havent kept up to what's going on in the thread since yesterday. I've been slightly unmotivated for OOG reasons.

I'm aware that my behavior is kinda of game throwing, I just need some time off. I wanna keep playing but if you need to policy yeet me, I won't hold it against you.

I will be back if you give me some time though.

If this is in response to me calling your post nonsensical - this is not the reaction that I was aiming to get. I am not calling your gameplay gamethrowy. I am calling a post what it is. If you are town, I still managed to correctly analyze it and townread you off of it, so.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:53 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:43 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:28 pm @Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:47 pm Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

It looks like an over-explanation indeed, is it alignment indicative?

Guilty people tend to be more verbose than the innocent. That's an observation I've held for years.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:57 pm [VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

I'm not sold on town!Tutuu, but I'm going to trust Nanook and Tutuu for today. Guillotine does not look good to me though, so this seems like a good place for my vote.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:28 pm @Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:47 pm Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:38 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:56 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:53 pmThe reason why I have you in orange is because you've been tunneling a town the whole day phase. No other reason. I'm not misrepresenting your tone or any other stuff regarding the way you choose to play the game, unlike you are doing to me.

Tutu, I literally don't have one single scum read. I'm not tunnelling anyone. If I'm tunnelling someone, I will give you a written notice, you can be sure of it. Me in champs finals on Phighter. That was me tunnelling. I'm trying to figure out your alignment because I'm used to instantly think you're town, and in this game I didn't have that feeling.

Who is the "town" in question Tutu? how do you know the player is town? Did you get a N0 check or something?

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

It is me. Incredibly stupid post.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:57 pm [VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

I'm not sold on town!Tutuu, but I'm going to trust Nanook and Tutuu for today. Guillotine does not look good to me though, so this seems like a good place for my vote.

Can you expand a bit more on Guillo? So far the only things I've been able to conclude about Guillo is about his playstyle, which seems more paranoid and closed, so the exact opposite of my own lol

Who here has played with Guillo, if any?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:56 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:53 pmThe reason why I have you in orange is because you've been tunneling a town the whole day phase. No other reason. I'm not misrepresenting your tone or any other stuff regarding the way you choose to play the game, unlike you are doing to me.

Tutu, I literally don't have one single scum read. I'm not tunnelling anyone. If I'm tunnelling someone, I will give you a written notice, you can be sure of it. Me in champs finals on Phighter. That was me tunnelling. I'm trying to figure out your alignment because I'm used to instantly think you're town, and in this game I didn't have that feeling.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:06 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:23 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:20 pmOk i understand. Butting in to answer questions meant for others is generally a scum tell, be careful.

It totally isn't imo. This is kind of what I mean with using "general scum tells" that are meant to apply to everyone. I don't know, it's not my thing. But it's ok if it works for you.

I don't tend to be careful. =p

but one step further, policy scum tells are really only useful in context- unless you're mafia in which case it's always useful

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:09 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:07 pm [VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

FoS

Dyx
MasterRadishes

Have you explained your thoughts on these people? If not, can you?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Wolves come up with better ideas

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:27 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:22 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:16 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:14 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:56 pm Nothing I have posted has been scummy. The scumreads on me are silly. You guys are scumreading the first person to stick their nose up and make multiple posts in the thread. How often does your strategy result in you correctly scumreading members of the Mafia?

How long you have been playing mafia?

I don't know. Let's say 5 or 6 years.

I have for a very long time too. In my experience Mafia's WIFOM during day 1 is disregarded as joking around because it would be too obvious and nothing is ever too obvious, except most of the times it is. Chances of catching scum during D1 are higher than any other day, if players thought that if it looks like WIFOM is because maybe it is.

Nothing in this post makes sense to me. If you want me to respond explain it with easier to parse words. What is your point?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:25 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:01 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:44 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:39 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:05 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:39 amI suspect you though. I don’t trust people giving easy townreads early D1 or in this case D0.
Why do you town read all those people?

I think this is pretty normal for Tutu tbh. It's pretty normal for a lot of players, myself included. They even tend to be good. =p

If this is the case then im gonna have a hard time playing here.
I’m not a trusting player. My style is you are guilty until proven otherwise.

I mean your name is 'Guillotine' so that attitude makes sense.

You'll be fine here, dw. People throw around early townreads but don't actually stick to them if they later find reason not to.

Also I'm giving you an early D0 townlean now.

I hosted a game where you were scum very recently. I’d be careful to try to do reverse psychology on me if I were you.

You made me realize something with that last sentence though. Im giving scum hints on how to manipulate me.

I don't even know which part of my post is supposed to be reverse psychology.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:15 pm I am hesitant to attempt to read Marmot as he always rands Mafia and the last time I tried to Gambler's Fallacy townread him that didn't turn out well.

The fact is that he is scumsiding be scumreading me (a Town-aligned person) and it's unfortunate when he has so much meta on me. So I will never feel comfortable townreading him and it would be easier if he wasn't scumreading someone that I know is Town-aligned.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:16 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:14 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:56 pm Nothing I have posted has been scummy. The scumreads on me are silly. You guys are scumreading the first person to stick their nose up and make multiple posts in the thread. How often does your strategy result in you correctly scumreading members of the Mafia?

How long you have been playing mafia?

I don't know. Let's say 5 or 6 years.