Ted Lasso Mafia - game over!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay home. Jay mad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Michelle here was the prEOD case:

Click here

You responded to the thread (and directly to me) moments later.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

First Jay task: demonstrate thoroughly why all of the people who are town are town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why is DrWilgy town?

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Someone tell me the cases for the lead wagons, I'm stuck in work hell and going to see the kids tomorrow so activity/reread time will be light today if at all.

Scotty/Thunal.

Clearly there's a wolf in the Scotty, Bereft, Cape90, Jay realm, so which of these is it?

Wilgy arrived to the game late after the thread had ballooned quite a bit. For him to open his solving in this manner is very Wilgy-appropriate. Instead of either saying nothing relevant or spamming out considerable "false solving" content as he sometimes does as mafia, he fell in the right midpoint.

He pointed to the immediately visible wagon: Scotty - 3 (Bereft, Cape90, Jay), and he made a read on the basis of that poll. It was the data he could operate with without needing to be caught up, and it's exactly the kind of read that Wilgy thrives on (whether he is right or wrong).

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Someone tell me the cases for the lead wagons, I'm stuck in work hell and going to see the kids tomorrow so activity/reread time will be light today if at all.

Scotty/Thunal.

Clearly there's a wolf in the Scotty, Bereft, Cape90, Jay realm, so which of these is it?

I dunno, but I’m gonna be pissed if I get D1’d again by a bad Jay only for town to lose to him in endgame.

Understandable.

No thoughts on your voters while responding to this inquiry feels weird.

When Scotty replied in a reads-neutral manner, Wilgy was cordial in receiving that reply but also remained severe in keeping Scotty on his toes. Wilgy has an eye for communicative weaseling, and I like that he is playing that way here.

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as it stands from my gleaning afew pages.

Could vote Bereft, Scotty, Robyn.

Gonna start skimming ISOs.

After a few pages of getting context, Wilgy arrives at these three suspects. Two were involved in the prior Scotty wagon dynamic (Scotty and Bereft), and one is glued at the hip to Bereft (robyn). This makes perfect Wilgyan sense.

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Michelle is, underwhelming, but I can at least see where t Michelle sees Robyns inquiry towards J as weird.

I wouldn't yeet.

One could accuse Wilgy of being too easy on Michelle here, but his conduct today is a nice counter to that. He also voted Michelle on Day 1 in the end based on his preference against getting the zero poster. Wilgy is a data-driven player (and votes/flips are his most important resources), so I completely believe his opposition to killing Seanzie.

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Gross.

2 of our dead as no voters feels like a personal offense to me.

Case in point. [though, while the Seanzie and Long Con deaths may not be great for data collection, it's at least preferable to have town who place votes alive right now]

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Just skimmed the Longest Congest and Scotty unlikely made this kill while at the same time receiving this curse. So that's neat.

Also [VOTE: SVS] aubergine.

In reading through LC, I find Scotty to be just town, and now kinda get the SVS wagon. Also skimmed SVS's ISO and they seem to be in range.

Great nuance. Wilgy goat.

~~~

I town read Wilgy on gut, and this review converts gut to data. He is a strong town read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why is DarlingMonroe town?

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Hey y'all! Hope everyone is doing well; i'll be frank: not super familiar with games that restrict role claiming or dropping hints about their role, so looking forward to using this as an opportunity to learn. Anyone care to provide a previous game here that was similar, pretty please? In the meantime, gonna continue catching up w/ Ted Lasso (the show, lol).

Hey y'all! Hope everyone is doing well; i'll be frank: not super familiar with games that restrict role claiming or dropping hints about their role, so looking forward to using this as an opportunity to learn. Anyone care to provide a previous game here that was similar, pretty please? In the meantime, gonna continue catching up w/ Ted Lasso (the show, lol).

This used to be the norm around here years ago. It is much less common these days. The most recent example, to my knowledge, was the first game of our 10-year anniversary bit.

Click here for that

How do you suppose you'll use this other game to guide you in this game?

Thank you, Jx3!

& for the bolded, just to the type/style of comments or gameplay, etc..

Thank you, Jx3!

& for the bolded, just to the type/style of comments or gameplay, etc..

Happy to be of service. By all means, if you think that will help you, then do your thing. Would you say there was anything you picked up in your experience with the Severance game that you'll apply to this game?

Don't worry, this isn't a job interview. Necessarily.

Trust my instinct/gut more. I played a little too passively; perhaps it would have been more useful to town if I had contributed more, perhaps not.

Any advice from a master like you, JJJ?

These initial three posts from DM struck me as coming from a lone mind. I didn't get the impression that DM had support outside the thread, and I think I'd have some clue what that might look like because of her masonry with Jack in the previous game.

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Having read the most recent page, and gone through SVS posts.... they ping me the post so voting for them (SVS)... Scotty might be wolf, but I don't see it personally.

This game started in a moment when my free time doesn't really exist.
I would like to have a solid town read to sheep it.
Who should I sheep Jay?

Read the last page or two. Go over some posters' comments, look at the players with votes, and then create your own read. If it happens to overlap with Jay's great, if not, no harm.

@Bereft you really seem to be advocating for SVS... any reason in particular?

I advised DM late on Day 1 to operate with the most recent material instead of trying to completely catch up, and I appreciate that she had the courage to do that. She developed impressions of initial content, and she looked into a specific dynamic that has been significant in the game to make a judgment (S~V~S vs. Scotty). She tried her best to make her mark around EOD.

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Having read the most recent page, and gone through SVS posts.... they ping me the post so voting for them (SVS)... Scotty might be wolf, but I don't see it personally.

can you elaborate why? also how much time do you have to play in the next 140 minutes

They are right like in the middle when it comes to posting activity; mostly fluff yet opportunistic enough to jump on the Scotty vote... IDK, it's not a lot but it's my read.

And I have like the next 40 minutes and then I have to go offline

So out of the 13 active players, only 9 have voted.

Long Con, Michelle, Dr. Wilgy & LoRab are the players who have abstained so far.

They are also the players with less than 30 posts. Everyone else with more posts than 30 has voted.

SVS still my biggest ping.

At this point, willing to switch Scotty for really exploding my confusion with LC and LC to its max potential.

At this point, willing to switch Scotty for really exploding my confusion with LC and LC to its max potential.

wait, nvm, we are back at the same page with SVS

I just think this process is organic.

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As of now, this is where I am at.

town reads: me [dm], robyn, Cape90
town lean: scotty, jjj, dr. wilgy, Rondo

????: michelle, thunal, princess A, LoRab, ts account

mafia reads: SVS, bereft

Suspecting Bereft in this gamestate is probably a good sign, frankly. I will allow her to expand for herself on why she feels that way before I say anything more, though.

~~~

The operative term here is purity. I know that idea makes some people uneasy, but the good news is that this isn't the typical "uwu :3 :3" kind of purity that anyone can fake. It's purity of solving process.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

One bad thing that sometimes happens when I start writing wallposts is that threads die while folks "wait" for my analysis. Please keep the dialogue moving, friends. And react/respond to anything I provide.

[robyn]

what’s your wpm?

[Thunal33]

@JaggedJimmyJay what do you think about my concerns with Abi?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

what’s your wpm?

Not sure, but probably less than my analytic speed makes it appear. I produce walls very quickly, but it's more about my skill navigating the site interface and my deep experience formulating arguments.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay what do you think about my concerns with Abi?

I will take a look and provide feedback once I complete my current wall on Cape.

[Thunal33]

Why is DarlingMonroe town?

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Hey y'all! Hope everyone is doing well; i'll be frank: not super familiar with games that restrict role claiming or dropping hints about their role, so looking forward to using this as an opportunity to learn. Anyone care to provide a previous game here that was similar, pretty please? In the meantime, gonna continue catching up w/ Ted Lasso (the show, lol).

Hey y'all! Hope everyone is doing well; i'll be frank: not super familiar with games that restrict role claiming or dropping hints about their role, so looking forward to using this as an opportunity to learn. Anyone care to provide a previous game here that was similar, pretty please? In the meantime, gonna continue catching up w/ Ted Lasso (the show, lol).

This used to be the norm around here years ago. It is much less common these days. The most recent example, to my knowledge, was the first game of our 10-year anniversary bit.

Click here for that

How do you suppose you'll use this other game to guide you in this game?

Thank you, Jx3!

& for the bolded, just to the type/style of comments or gameplay, etc..

Thank you, Jx3!

& for the bolded, just to the type/style of comments or gameplay, etc..

Happy to be of service. By all means, if you think that will help you, then do your thing. Would you say there was anything you picked up in your experience with the Severance game that you'll apply to this game?

Don't worry, this isn't a job interview. Necessarily.

Trust my instinct/gut more. I played a little too passively; perhaps it would have been more useful to town if I had contributed more, perhaps not.

Any advice from a master like you, JJJ?

These initial three posts from DM struck me as coming from a lone mind. I didn't get the impression that DM had support outside the thread, and I think I'd have some clue what that might look like because of her masonry with Jack in the previous game.

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Having read the most recent page, and gone through SVS posts.... they ping me the post so voting for them (SVS)... Scotty might be wolf, but I don't see it personally.

This game started in a moment when my free time doesn't really exist.
I would like to have a solid town read to sheep it.
Who should I sheep Jay?

Read the last page or two. Go over some posters' comments, look at the players with votes, and then create your own read. If it happens to overlap with Jay's great, if not, no harm.

@Bereft you really seem to be advocating for SVS... any reason in particular?

I advised DM late on Day 1 to operate with the most recent material instead of trying to completely catch up, and I appreciate that she had the courage to do that. She developed impressions of initial content, and she looked into a specific dynamic that has been significant in the game to make a judgment (S~V~S vs. Scotty). She tried her best to make her mark around EOD.

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Having read the most recent page, and gone through SVS posts.... they ping me the post so voting for them (SVS)... Scotty might be wolf, but I don't see it personally.

can you elaborate why? also how much time do you have to play in the next 140 minutes

They are right like in the middle when it comes to posting activity; mostly fluff yet opportunistic enough to jump on the Scotty vote... IDK, it's not a lot but it's my read.

And I have like the next 40 minutes and then I have to go offline

So out of the 13 active players, only 9 have voted.

Long Con, Michelle, Dr. Wilgy & LoRab are the players who have abstained so far.

They are also the players with less than 30 posts. Everyone else with more posts than 30 has voted.

SVS still my biggest ping.

At this point, willing to switch Scotty for really exploding my confusion with LC and LC to its max potential.

At this point, willing to switch Scotty for really exploding my confusion with LC and LC to its max potential.

wait, nvm, we are back at the same page with SVS

I just think this process is organic.

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As of now, this is where I am at.

town reads: me [dm], robyn, Cape90
town lean: scotty, jjj, dr. wilgy, Rondo

????: michelle, thunal, princess A, LoRab, ts account

mafia reads: SVS, bereft

Suspecting Bereft in this gamestate is probably a good sign, frankly. I will allow her to expand for herself on why she feels that way before I say anything more, though.

~~~

The operative term here is purity. I know that idea makes some people uneasy, but the good news is that this isn't the typical "uwu :3 :3" kind of purity that anyone can fake. It's purity of solving process.

I've had trouble sorting DM and I'm not as confident as some people are that she's town. I feel like lots of people, town or mafia, would look at the lots of interactions between Scotty and SVS first since they're both PoE and it was a big talking point.

What separates her solving process from someone who *needs* to pick a target before EoD to push?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've had trouble sorting DM and I'm not as confident as some people are that she's town. I feel like lots of people, town or mafia, would look at the lots of interactions between Scotty and SVS first since they're both PoE and it was a big talking point.

What separates her solving process from someone who *needs* to pick a target before EoD to push?

I don't think she "needs" to pick a target anyway. She could just ghost. She could just find a wagon already happening and shrug into it. She instead chose a read that personally moved her and promoted it as much as she reasonably could at the end of the day. And I think she did so in a way that looks perfectly reasonable.

[robyn]

jay, iso me and cape together, not separate

[Scotty]

Hi jellybeans.

I’m like 8 popsicles behind and don’t grasp if it’s been wrapped yet but has anyone crusted why we have a 1-blast wiggly that didn’t bamboozle last night? I reload wolves could have been guarded, but the optimal Bagpipe I feel like was to bamboozle either an inactive or blank the counter cartwheel- Michelle.

This creates me feel like the wiggly is an inactive.

Ok, bicycle to catching up. I marking ton of toilet time market but I have Argyle.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why is Cape90 town?

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so far, cape’s entrance is the most blendy.
‘Hi!’
Hello

Yeah I am kinda here with muted energy admittedly

Why do you think that is?

Think I need to break from mafia for a bit after this, so it's a me thing

I think you are town, Scotty has decent energy, DM had an alright start, kinda think robyn's start with talking about how they want to play diff this game is kinda towny just because every time I have done that sort of thing I have been town

That's about that i have, as boring as it is

That's about that i have, as boring as it is

That's not boring at all. It's four entire reads. Thank you for your service.

What makes you lean that way on DarlingMonroe and I?

The productivity from your end and

Thank you, Jx3!

& for the bolded, just to the type/style of comments or gameplay, etc..

Happy to be of service. By all means, if you think that will help you, then do your thing. Would you say there was anything you picked up in your experience with the Severance game that you'll apply to this game?

Don't worry, this isn't a job interview. Necessarily.

Trust my instinct/gut more. I played a little too passively; perhaps it would have been more useful to town if I had contributed more, perhaps not.

Any advice from a master like you, JJJ?

This response DM made to you

Even in the midst of some self-expressed burnout, when prompted very early in the game, Cape was willing to provide four town leans. He outpaced perhaps everyone else in early reads efficiency, and I think he has sustained that performance since.

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thinking Long Con is town for now

I like their Scotty read

Is it too early to ask everyone for their top three town reads?

No, of course not. Let’s go ahead an box in the mafia.

you/Scotty/Long Con

Long Con made it five town leans. Cape was not at all shy in the early game about promoting strong POE play.

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Is it too early to ask everyone for their top three town reads?

No, of course not. Let’s go ahead an box in the mafia.

you/Scotty/Long Con

Thanks for the response. No pressure here, but if you wanted would you be able to name more than three town reads? I am compiling a bit of data, and if you have more that'd be super. If not, cool.

LoRab seems to be on the same page as me which is good
Somewhat DM just for beginning
Somewhat robyn
SVS worries me a little bit for the thing i pointed out earlier + #202 tonally speaking
Thunal thanks for also having a sus on SVS ur townish now + asking clarifying questions there = good

I also meant to say Princess Abigail worries me just because her only content is a townread on SVS and nothing else for right now

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine for now though as I find this more concretely bad

Nobody can accuse Cape of being slow on the Day 1 reads uptake, and I am not sure he received enough credit yesterday for his productivity (including from me).

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[solid town reads]
Long Con
Bereft

[mostly town reads]
robyn
LoRab

[town leans]
DarlingMonroe
Cape90

[town in theory, but placed in purgatory until further notice]
Scotty

Others all null or unknown

What makes you confident on Bereft?

I expected my early strong town read on Bereft to be a little confusing for some folks. Appropriate.

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Jay is such a high poster, and with not much filler, that I think inherently he tends to be town voice. Even if he’s not town lol

I think I’m slightly suspicious that I am his top town read, but that’s a me problem. I’m down to listen to his scum reads however

I'm very very suspicious of J3

Why?

Cause I'm good at this game and nothing you've done is clearing.

A great majority of your posts are just telling people information about the game which is easy for scum to hide behind and look towny in the eyes of people L0

Just want to point out that nobody has "done anything clearing"

Thought S~V~S's return was alright

[VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

Deciding between you/Thunal tbh

i'm kinda regretting my life choices cuz idk if wolf vocally susses JJJ of all people here

[VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine

LoRab seems to be on the same page as me which is good
Somewhat DM just for beginning
Somewhat robyn
SVS worries me a little bit for the thing i pointed out earlier + #202 tonally speaking
Thunal thanks for also having a sus on SVS ur townish now + asking clarifying questions there = good

Just want to point out that nobody has "done anything clearing"

Thought S~V~S's return was alright

[VOTE: Princess Abigail] aubergine

Deciding between you/Thunal tbh

i'm kinda regretting my life choices cuz idk if wolf vocally susses JJJ of all people here

[VOTE: Thunal33] aubergine

I don't believe there's a visible progression to explain this.

I have no idea what i am doing

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

Like it's hard to explain, but thunal feels slightly off but I got really nothing and I liked their S~V~S sus and then i said oh i think i like SVS's return and then looking back i'm just like "wtf was i saying". I was also going off of what SVS said about Thunal maybe being more aggro then previous times

In terms of Princess Abigail her pushes in the thread felt like really weird, like in an anti mindmeldy way, but also thought them pushing you was like probably towny, and they aren't exactly playing atypically for Neon.

I feel like I am gonna be misvoted this game because I am gonna be lazy and no im not gonna change that, but yeah that's my thought process

This sequence was highly sloppy for Cape, and some of us game him grief for it at the time. It was "bizarre", but I must also state that I don't think actual mafia members tend to do this kind of thing for fear of looking like dopes. They either double down or just ghost the thread until people leave them alone, more commonly. Cape tried to contend with his own confusion and ended up looking worse for it. That happens to town all the time.

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I’ve turned around on Cape- even tho he doesn’t have a lot of posts, what posts he has made are actual reads. Obviously I would like him to expand on them, but he’s making definitive reads

Thunal on the surface looks fine with their reads, if not making reads that come off as half baked. And no one wants a half baked pie, except maybe the stray cat that hangs out on my patio after dark. He’ll eat anything.
Scumlean

the only thing u said about me was that my entrance was the most blendy and that hardly counts as a read that warrants you declaring you turned around on me.

Abigail’s entrance is thoroughly null.

To be fair, she herself has said she feels nothing

???

Lorab isn’t doing anything so far to make me townread her, and frankly is rather blendy in her entrance posts.

Though I don’t remember how LoRab operates. It’s been a while

blendy this blendy that

LC is not quite on my town radar yet. Lean scum

@S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

But this is an unhinged towny post

bad

Lorab isn’t doing anything so far to make me townread her, and frankly is rather blendy in her entrance posts.

Though I don’t remember how LoRab operates. It’s been a while

meh I can say the same thing about SVS tho too

Like I’m not even sure she made a read when she was weirded out by me in her recent post.

Ima figure her out

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

OKay but it is seriously Scotty, he isn't comfy at all and I am starting to sus him way more then SVS

Jay is such a high poster, and with not much filler, that I think inherently he tends to be town voice. Even if he’s not town lol

I think I’m slightly suspicious that I am his top town read, but that’s a me problem. I’m down to listen to his scum reads however

This also just... doesn't read correctly to me

I will explain in more detail later as i go to bowling very soon + I am pretty tired at the same time

He doesn't feel right, like i know last time i played with scotty basically pocketing him that i was looking through a scum lens, but he is just like posting a lot of weird things and has pointed out blendy beginnings for some reason as if that's totally Alignment indicative

If I critically assess LoRab beyond a vibe town read:

I think her aversion to being town read stems from an older Syndicate era when essentially everyone hated being town read (due to old win conditions).

Perhaps LoRab’s confidence in her town reads of LC and especially of me can be questioned. To suggest my play to that point was “too detailed to be fake” is a bit much.

I think there’s probably a difference in approach since she seems to inference the olde ways, but actively is pushing back against people townreading her. It’s like she *knows* she isn’t doing anything towny, and can’t help but acknowledge it

this seems extremely ungenerous too as it was posted pretty early into the game

Cape's sudden jaunt over to Scotty suspicion may have been questionably timed, but the more important thing to me is that it made me rethink Scotty myself. Even if Scotty is town, that Cape was able to influence my own judgment of someone I had town read pretty strongly in the early game while he (Cape) was under considerable pressure himself kind of speaks to me about his authenticity.

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Ok I gotta go and have an appointment before eod

Current working theory is DM and LC are mafia.
Can throw SVS in there too, though DM’s push on SVS would be almost clearing of SVS if DM flips bad. 4th can be…LoRab. I could be wrong on the latter, with 3 missingno’s. TBD

If I still go over, it’s been real. Cape needs to get off his high horse but I still feel like he is in a genuine tunnel and not just pushing me for shits. Please be easy on him.
Thunal has been quite waffly on me all game, which makes me want to just townread them. It would be easier to just jump on my wagon, but I feel like they’re really considering if my actions/reads have been forced or whatever. Making a town.
Princess Abigail I have already talked about- town.

JJJ can be resolved in a couple days. Again, if he doesn’t have a pelt by D3, and he’s still alive, get rid of him. Please.

Others:
Bereft and Robyn are either both town or one is fooling the other. I could be convinced that one is pocketing the other. I do not townread bereft yet. I’m a little biased but I feel like he’s been blunt to a point regarding me.

Wilgy has made some questionable impressions in the thread- I feel like he’s picking the wagons, making one minor point about them, and then making broad reads based on it. It doesn’t feel like actual solving yet. Prime candidate for info tonite tho.

Michelle’s entrance into the game is…fine. I guess. Not much presence. prob town.

oh yeah

meant to ask you lightyears ago

what makes you have so little paranoia of me this game? I just curbstomped town u were in as wolf

Mafia would never dare use the word "lightyears" as a measure of time in a public space (I kid).

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honestly thought about going michelle

Her EOD posting wasn't doing it for me

Cape has had a pretty nuanced and fair take on Michelle. His initial take was positive, which is why she accused him of pocketing in the first place. But as she did not quite cut it in his eyes through EOD, he allowed his perspective to adapt. And I think he carried that into Day 2 fairly.

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What's normally suspicious about your style?

I think this kind of comment about finding it weird you're too trusted is >rand mafia. A lot of townies are confident in their townieness even if they are suspected often, but it's easy for mafia to assume they're suspicious.

One one level, I have no idea. Maybe I'm just drawn that way? Some of it is how I approach the game and suspicion--some of it is meta, but a lot of it is noticing patterns and when those patterns are off. Which many see as a suspicious way to suspect people, apparently.

And, in a bigger way, your noting my discomfort in being trusted is an excellent example of why--on this particular site. It's a mafia culture thing. I learned mafia in a very different setting than that of most of the players on here. There are some players (SVS, LC in this game) I've been playing with for about 15 years--I think Wilgy for at least a decade. I may have forgotten someone else who is in this game (other than our wonderful host). The game we played then, on sites like LP and The Piano, was stylistically different--we developed our own mafia slang, almost all games were ones in which pretty much everyone has a power, info dumping was essentially always frowned on--at least past a certain point, when we all seemed to realize it's not nearly as much fun that way, and agreed that there just wouldn't be any any more. Where puzzles and hidden messages were everywhere. This site, in large part, grew out of that world--and merged it with other mafia communities.

The mafia game style of those other communities mostly became the prominent culture, with some aspects of my original realm staying around. like this color.

And I still play with my same style that I always have, even though I know that most around me have a different style--and will suspect me for my style. I'm good with that.

Although, I do twirl a lot less than I used to.

As for your suspicion, unless I'm misunderstanding ">rand mafia" (as I don't actually know what that means). It is very par for the course in the games of most of my mafia playing for civvies to not want to be publicly trust. I mean, I guess in a game where there is only 1 bad faction (and no apparent neutral or indy roles), it makes more sense for civs to not worry so much when trusted, but...I'm still more accustomed to games where such a structure (2 teams, one good one bad) is the exception and not the rule,

While I'm waxing nostalgic, and in a Ted Lasso game, a shout out to the OG Diamond Dog, in whose honor this smiley was created It's literally based on the actual human. I miss that FEB.

Okay, what you and JJJ said about not wanting to be townread makes sense, and that comment might be NAI coming from you. You said JJJ's play was too much work to be fake, how much experience do you have with him? Afaik he tries hard as both alignments and can't be effort cleared alone.

minor concern

why assume that comment is NAI coming from LoRab if you question how much experience they have with JJJ?

I do feel decent about JJJ this game. He's not just putting in effort, he's putting in a lot of pro-town effort and geenrating info for town so that's enough for a town lean.

I think this is an awful way to judge J3

He didn't say anything in isolation that made me think he was obvious town but I think it's good enough grounds for a townlean on day 1. He hasn't said anything that pinged me.

I have my concerns about this being kinda vanilla, not that I do not agree with the sentiment

@Thunal33, I don't recall you engaging with my read on you so far. I have held you consistently at null and even lent a local endorsement to a 2-vote wagon that appeared on you very quickly. What do you make of my read on you, and what has held you back from talking about that (or, if you have, please point the way)?

I didn't even know you still had me as null since it's been a bit since your most recent list. I thought it made sense before my SVS push since I didn't make a whole lot of different early reads or really AI content, but right now I am a little surprised you don't have me as at least a town lean. I think I've given enough content to show my alignment and I think my willingness to prod and engage with people is towny.

I don't think I've held back from talking about it though, I just don't have much to talk about because it's a null read. I thought it would change once I got more involved with the game.

I find this post somewhat towny in a towny entitlement type of way

I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing for your (JJJ) alignment though. It would be easy for mafia JJJ to townread me to try to pocket me, or push me if he thought he had a chance of getting me over. I think the former would be more likely.

this follow up gives me not good vibes though from the post that I do townread

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine
Cu cu cachoo

Could you indicate which of Thunal's read(s) you found half-baked?

Their vote for SVS came out of nowhere for me:

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

@S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me

OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.

Where are SVS's own reads? A lot of her posts feel like commentary and not actually taking stances. LC's post used to be read as auto bad and Scotty's freaking her out, but she didn't make actual reads off those when I feel like it would be natural for her to do.

@S~V~S
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Their loRab push was also not strong.

Even though through a lens, I actually independently find I agree with their reads of both SVS and LoRab: where are SVS’ reads, and why is LoRab so freaked out about being townread?

This is something I actually think is towny for Scotty. Why would wolf Scotty weaken his push by saying he agreed with my reads? I feel like wolf Scotty would just go after me rather than giving credit to my reads especially if one was right. Even if they were both wrong I think he'd either push me harder or pocket me by finding common ground as mafia.

I think this is at the very least a good point as the kids say

I like Michelle’s recent posting

btw @Thunal33 could you elaborate on what you liked about Michelle's postings? I didnt feel the same way

Cape is trying really hard to get Thunal right today.

~~~

I think he probably should have been given more credit in the first place, and that his town character has ascended as the game has worn on.

[robyn]

darn

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Not town

You pretend that not locking you town was omgus
When I show you a real omgus you jump to conclusions.

What exactly about Jay's push do you find sus and do you have any other reason to suspect him?

It's about his 'ping' coming from my post where he misinterpreted my sentence as omgus.
Now I get he has a case I didn't read so if there's more then he's probably convinced so idk
Honestly if I can get a read on Jay today if we talk a little I will be content, so poking the giant with a stickomgus is the best way to do it.

How does having a case make him townier? This is the kind of concession I townread you before for not making. I get the POV of "why is such a good player reading me incorrectly" and I've OMGUSed in the same position as town, but easing up on him here makes me doubt my townread.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

jay, iso me and cape together, not separate

Too late. I don't tend to work that way anyhow.

[robyn]

jay, iso me and cape together, not separate

Too late. I don't tend to work that way anyhow.

i know.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hi jellybeans.

I’m like 8 popsicles behind and don’t grasp if it’s been wrapped yet but has anyone crusted why we have a 1-blast wiggly that didn’t bamboozle last night? I reload wolves could have been guarded, but the optimal Bagpipe I feel like was to bamboozle either an inactive or blank the counter cartwheel- Michelle.

This creates me feel like the wiggly is an inactive.

Ok, bicycle to catching up. I marking ton of toilet time market but I have Argyle.

I pledge to do my best to understand you at some point, Scotty.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

When I played with Abi as t/t she had extremely strong stances on who not to chop. She was willing to fight me and others when we voted her townreads and was extremely confident. The difference is bigger than I thought when I looked at her meta.

From another game:

Spoiler: show

I also think now is not the time to tinfoil Abi and she's said some borderline clearing things during her fight with leetic.

At least someone gets it

Honestly you should kill me today though

No. Rn I want to kill Wilgy today.

Mmm yikes. Wilgy is like a really bad kill here.

They haven't been playing wolfy their play makes no sense from a wolf perspective the only reason they are PoEd is cause they are slanky and barely there but is that really wolfy? The way they are slanking is just town who can't be assed

Cook the goose!

Boil the duck!

Pepper the chicken!

Nice wagon you're joining. What will you do when I flip town?

Probably cry a little.

Maybe eat dinner. EoD is around that time.

Then look at your reads and see if they take me somewhere.

Oh also figure out who started the wagon on you.

Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

I'll join you, better wagon than the current biggest one [VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Hell yeah, let's goooooo

If Jack is town, which I'm leaning that he is, this jump on looks terrible. Wilgy also took some time to say what would happen if leetic flipped town in response to their question isntead of something like "well you were red checked". He knew about the check, but if he didn't catch up a lot why would he know there was a real chance leetic would flip town?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Pretty sure he was around when I claimed. Also I don't see how this is a jump on when Wilgy voted the wagon first?

Wilgy parking there all phase just doesn't feel wolfy this isn't a wolf play this is town Wilgy not giving a fuck

I might legit self vote if it saves Wilgy at EoD

For context, the first two posts were when I was the only one strongly sussing Wilgy.

Compare that with how she treated SVS this game. Abi townread SVS but it felt limp and she didn't do anything to justify that except one post calling Scotty/SVS t/t. SVS caught a lot of heat but she didn't jump to her defense or show she actually cared about that read.

I can understand your perspective, and on some level I agree with you. Abigail was kind of in and out and back in and back out of my solve last night, so she is in the vicinity of my POE. My doubt about her as mafia is more that I am not sure this is an appropriate version of Abigail to try to metagame. She is less invested in her reads certainly, but I also think she is less invested in the whole game (and that it wouldn't necessarily be so if she was mafia). I think her confidence has been shaken by recent games and perhaps even by the early stage of this game.

I am not sure about that, and if you continue to town it up today she probably falls into my POE by default. So I see your case at least.

[Thunal33]

I've had trouble sorting DM and I'm not as confident as some people are that she's town. I feel like lots of people, town or mafia, would look at the lots of interactions between Scotty and SVS first since they're both PoE and it was a big talking point.

What separates her solving process from someone who *needs* to pick a target before EoD to push?

I don't think she "needs" to pick a target anyway. She could just ghost. She could just find a wagon already happening and shrug into it. She instead chose a read that personally moved her and promoted it as much as she reasonably could at the end of the day. And I think she did so in a way that looks perfectly reasonable.

Tbf she said she'd catch up and vote so it looks much better if she actually does, and I also think it looks better if she takes a somewhat strong stance. I think her SVS suspicion is fine though, and I do like the way she kept promoting her sus at EoD.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyone:

Name a player that others find town and you don't get why (not including the three analyses I just posted).

[robyn]

Anyone:

Name a player that others find town and you don't get why (not including the three analyses I just posted).

do thunal for reasons of rigor

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyone:

Name a player that others find town and you don't get why (not including the three analyses I just posted).

do thunal for reasons of rigor

I can analyze Thunal, but I won't frame it as a town case. I want to be true to my own actual reads here. However, it's possible the effort will lead me there anyway.

[Thunal33]

When I played with Abi as t/t she had extremely strong stances on who not to chop. She was willing to fight me and others when we voted her townreads and was extremely confident. The difference is bigger than I thought when I looked at her meta.

From another game:

Spoiler: show

I also think now is not the time to tinfoil Abi and she's said some borderline clearing things during her fight with leetic.

At least someone gets it

Honestly you should kill me today though

No. Rn I want to kill Wilgy today.

Mmm yikes. Wilgy is like a really bad kill here.

They haven't been playing wolfy their play makes no sense from a wolf perspective the only reason they are PoEd is cause they are slanky and barely there but is that really wolfy? The way they are slanking is just town who can't be assed

Cook the goose!

Boil the duck!

Pepper the chicken!

Nice wagon you're joining. What will you do when I flip town?

Probably cry a little.

Maybe eat dinner. EoD is around that time.

Then look at your reads and see if they take me somewhere.

Oh also figure out who started the wagon on you.

Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

I'll join you, better wagon than the current biggest one [VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Hell yeah, let's goooooo

If Jack is town, which I'm leaning that he is, this jump on looks terrible. Wilgy also took some time to say what would happen if leetic flipped town in response to their question isntead of something like "well you were red checked". He knew about the check, but if he didn't catch up a lot why would he know there was a real chance leetic would flip town?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Pretty sure he was around when I claimed. Also I don't see how this is a jump on when Wilgy voted the wagon first?

Wilgy parking there all phase just doesn't feel wolfy this isn't a wolf play this is town Wilgy not giving a fuck

I might legit self vote if it saves Wilgy at EoD

For context, the first two posts were when I was the only one strongly sussing Wilgy.

Compare that with how she treated SVS this game. Abi townread SVS but it felt limp and she didn't do anything to justify that except one post calling Scotty/SVS t/t. SVS caught a lot of heat but she didn't jump to her defense or show she actually cared about that read.

I can understand your perspective, and on some level I agree with you. Abigail was kind of in and out and back in and back out of my solve last night, so she is in the vicinity of my POE. My doubt about her as mafia is more that I am not sure this is an appropriate version of Abigail to try to metagame. She is less invested in her reads certainly, but I also think she is less invested in the whole game (and that it wouldn't necessarily be so if she was mafia). I think her confidence has been shaken by recent games and perhaps even by the early stage of this game.

I am not sure about that, and if you continue to town it up today she probably falls into my POE by default. So I see your case at least.

I've played with her when she was not as invested as town, and she still was more vocal about convincing people and defending her townreads than this. Whenever we were t/t I found her pretty early and I'm not seeing her town energy here. This feels more like going through the motions.

[robyn]

Anyone:

Name a player that others find town and you don't get why (not including the three analyses I just posted).

do thunal for reasons of rigor

I can analyze Thunal, but I won't frame it as a town case. I want to be true to my own actual reads here. However, it's possible the effort will lead me there anyway.

the juicer iso’s will be scotty and svs, but foreplay hasn’t ended

[Thunal33]

Anyone:

Name a player that others find town and you don't get why (not including the three analyses I just posted).

Rondo.

I don't suspect him like I did coming into today partly because I'm not sure what he's doing if he's a wolf, but I'm not sold on him being town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not sure I will ISO everyone in this manner. The primary purpose of my initial exercise is to demonstrate why my town reads are town, because that will allow me to move into my POE and demonstrate what teams work (and what teams don't). I think the game is narrower than it appears right now, and this is how I will show it. Indeed, I think I will stow the Thunal analysis for the time being to keep on track. I appreciate the request nonetheless.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyone:

Name a player that others find town and you don't get why (not including the three analyses I just posted).

Rondo.

I don't suspect him like I did coming into today partly because I'm not sure what he's doing if he's a wolf, but I'm not sold on him being town.

I will do Rondo next. He's a good one.

[robyn]

i have enough townreads that if i reread d1 closely i simply auto a wolf

[Scotty]

Nah, twirl that. I don’t have flightplan to detail back 8 popsicles so I’m gonna presume a few noodlebrains:

-Rainbow is laughing JJJ as OMGUS
-JJJ is juicing Rainbow as a margarine vote. I’m optional to trail his chimney atm because he courted pretty mundane end of resistance in my reread
-Rondo is voting JJJ because Rondo
-Flutterby is froglegs for [reasons]
-no fence new has laughed in

Am I tired yet?

[Michelle]

@Michelle here was the prEOD case:

Click here

You responded to the thread (and directly to me) moments later.

I didn't notice it
I'll read it now.
How big do you think is my phone screen?

[Michelle]

Nah, twirl that. I don’t have flightplan to detail back 8 popsicles so I’m gonna presume a few noodlebrains:

-Rainbow is laughing JJJ as OMGUS
-JJJ is juicing Rainbow as a margarine vote. I’m optional to trail his chimney atm because he courted pretty mundane end of resistance in my reread
-Rondo is voting JJJ because Rondo
-Flutterby is froglegs for [reasons]
-no fence new has laughed in

Am I tired yet?

Who are you and what you did with Scotty?

[robyn]

@Michelle here was the prEOD case:

Click here

You responded to the thread (and directly to me) moments later.

I didn't notice it
I'll read it now.
How big do you think is my phone screen?

ever heard of the phrase you can do more with less?

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Michelle concerns

When was the last time you rolled mafia? Mind if I checked it out? I thought there was a game I was speccing where I pegged you as mafia by like day 3 but I don’t remember if that was confbias or you actually were mafia

Refer to the links in this post -- plenty of examples to work with. It's been both annoying and vindicating to be mafia so many times lately. I had one of my worst games ever in Philosophy 2 a couple years ago, but since then I have gone 5-0 as mafia (despite never being pleased to see the role card at first). Feels nice.

Wait- THATS RIGHT! I was just in a game with you in Don’t Starve, and would have absolutely gunned for you D2 if I didn’t get D1’d. I totally forgot about that game.

Ok ok I *can* read you.

You don't seem too confident here tho

I'm not sure what this post is meant to convey. Scotty kind of did convey confidence, at least to a reasonable extent. Regardless, what's the point?

i think this is ~rand town perhaps

That's a pocketing attempt perhaps

Thunal called this "going through the motions", and I see it similarly.

Good morning, Michelle. You caught me right as I close the door on my Mafia day, but I'll be around a bit on my phone for a while if you want to talk through anything.

After reading only page 1 i don't have really AI takes.
A plus for your plan, reminds me of our Champs game
And I liked at a psychological level P#37, as a light town lean.
Going further now
I skimmed your wall, I will read it though after I catch up and have an educated guess about many players

Post #37 was this from robyn. Eh?

okay serious question, did u enjoy playing mafia today? or was it more grindy than anything

If Jay says yes, what's the conclusion?
What if he says no?

This is a decent moment in isolation, but it's also tiny. This isn't hard to post as mafia.

I will expand on my current Seanzie vote, because I understand it's the kind of thing that will elicit one of the following responses from the majority of players:

1) grumble grumble why vote for someone that hasn't said anything
2) wow Jay opportunistic easy target very sus
3) that provides no information, dumb dumb

The actual rationale:

-- POE is leading me to a situation where it seems likely the zero posters includes a mafia member. I have too many town reads (to varying degrees) otherwise.
-- My blind interaction analysis suggested that the active players broadly don't fit together very well except in highly specific (and thus, unlikely) combinations

So that's why I would vote for [zero poster].

Beyond that, I even chose a specific zero poster for a reason, though I acknowledge this is considerably less important and more "technical". It's entirely possible that none of Seanzie, ts account, and Rondo are aware of the game yet. That might be most likely. But if we assume for the sake of argument that any of them has seen their role card, then we must ask which one is most likely to say nothing as mafia?

Rondo? Hell no. He'll talk.
ts account? No clue, really.
Seanzie? Yes, he'd wait around. He actually did in Don't Starve (albeit to a lesser extent, he posted 11 hours after game start).

It's hard for something like this to feel inspired, I understand. But I wanted to explain why I voted, because there's more reasoning than one might assume.

I understand, Sean did it as mafia before.

This was the first moment where my eyeball tweaked.

That's it? That's all I have to do to justify voting for someone with zero posts? And we're all good here? I am scared.

On that note, @DarlingMonroe:

If you find it impossible to fully catch up, because the thread has grown too large, then I will make the following suggestion. Don't. I still very much want you to make posts, but if time only allows you to choose between 1) trying and failing to catch up, or 2) just entering the thread and playing from the current page --> please choose #2. Fully catching up is not always necessary to play the game, and you may be better off just jumping in fresh.

If you do have time to fully catch up AND get involved before we run out of Daylight (only four hours), then go ahead.

I don't think Jay makes this post as mafia

Triggered. I struggle to believe anyone would clear me for that post.

Adding Wilgy to TRs because he is solving.

...

?

I can explain all these, i don't see where is the crime

[robyn]

then explain, also post a readslist

[Michelle]

@Michelle here was the prEOD case:

Click here

You responded to the thread (and directly to me) moments later.

I didn't notice it
I'll read it now.
How big do you think is my phone screen?

ever heard of the phrase you can do more with less?

No, but I get it. However when I say I didn't read the post, you should trust I didn't.

[robyn]

@Michelle here was the prEOD case:

Click here

You responded to the thread (and directly to me) moments later.

I didn't notice it
I'll read it now.
How big do you think is my phone screen?

ever heard of the phrase you can do more with less?

No, but I get it. However when I say I didn't read the post, you should trust I didn't.

i only responded to “How big do you think is my phone screen?“

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can explain all these, i don't see where is the crime

The whole point was that your reads struck me as too frivolous to be real. You are generally a nuanced hunter, and that did not look like nuanced hunting.

Broader problems: I don't think you played EOD1 like someone who cared about the vote beyond your own survival. You did not try to find mafia. You fought me off and then defaulted to a self-preservation vote. I also don't think you're looking for mafia today. Your current vote for me is almost a meme, and I am not sure how it reflects an effort by you to solve the game.

If your interactions with me hinder your hunt, then I would suggest ignoring me for the time being and getting to it.

[Michelle]

Jay home. Jay mad.

Don't be mad.
If you are, I go to sleep, I will not play with mad Jay.

[Scotty]

Anyone:

Name a player that others find town and you don't get why (not including the three analyses I just posted).

Honestly? Whoopee, Bereft is a puzzle twist for me from last London. He has takeoffs but arrangements direct to me to smash he’s vitriol the makeup before committing to interpretations.

Maybe he’s crafted a robust impression on jewel 2 here, but he’s been peculiarly potato- he was townread by many (and Daddy included at most uptick) but I don’t really padlock why except for Flutterby bemoaning him logic on godreads, which- as I mine, only crutch so much in sweep.

[robyn]

if anyone accepts me as town, they must accept bereft and cape as town too. that’s simply how it works this time around. my reads are top tier

[Michelle]

I can explain all these, i don't see where is the crime

The whole point was that your reads struck me as too frivolous to be real. You are generally a nuanced hunter, and that did not look like nuanced hunting.

Broader problems: I don't think you played EOD1 like someone who cared about the vote beyond your own survival. You did not try to find mafia. You fought me off and then defaulted to a self-preservation vote. I also don't think you're looking for mafia today. Your current vote for me is almost a meme, and I am not sure how it reflects an effort by you to solve the game.

If your interactions with me hinder your hunt, then I would suggest ignoring me for the time being and getting to it.

A townie who doesn't want to survive don't deserves to play..
Truth to be told i didn't have time at all. I have now for the next 24 hours, and I will give a few hours to this game. However, I will sleep soon because it's 11:30 pm
My vote for you means something like 'let's talk about what Omgus means'. It's not like I have a solid read on anyone itg and my stances were just small impressions I had in the little time I spent online here.

I can't ignore you, but I will not be focused on you too much.

[Scotty]

Nah, twirl that. I don’t have flightplan to detail back 8 popsicles so I’m gonna presume a few noodlebrains:

-Rainbow is laughing JJJ as OMGUS
-JJJ is juicing Rainbow as a margarine vote. I’m optional to trail his chimney atm because he courted pretty mundane end of resistance in my reread
-Rondo is voting JJJ because Rondo
-Flutterby is froglegs for [reasons]
-no fence new has laughed in

Am I tired yet?

Who are you and what you did with Scotty?

Haha Matches had a jellybean.

But like, for the most potion I don’t bite I’m that whoopee to bleach. Gopher are your scumreads besides JJJ?"

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why is RondoDimBuckle town?

First: I didn't think Rondo looked town when he showed up at EOD1. He looked totally null. So I won't talk about that.

Spoiler: show

I was ready to come in and dome Cape/Thunal/JJJ/LonCon and just push Cape all day. But I guess I need to re-assess. Probably still staying within

Still on Cape > Thunal / JJJ. Maybe Scotty as 4th now or SVS.

Town Core:
Neon, Bereft, Dr Wilgy, LoRab, Michelle, Robyn.

I was ready to come in and dome Cape/Thunal/JJJ/LonCon and just push Cape all day. But I guess I need to re-assess. Probably still staying within

Still on Cape > Thunal / JJJ. Maybe Scotty as 4th now or SVS.

Town Core:
Neon, Bereft, Dr Wilgy, LoRab, Michelle, Robyn.

cape is town 100%

Incorrect but we can disagree as long as we shoot within my POE of JJJ/Thunal/Cape [SVS/DM/Scotty]

So if I can get my town core to agree with who to shoot then I will be proven right and then we can go for cape tomorrow or whatever

cape is more town than bereft/jjj fmpov

cool so we agree on JJJ?

[VOTE: JJJ ] aubergine

JJJ I am in your head. I know you are in charge of this team and now we are playing 4d chess. This is fun

I’ve perused back the last thirty moments of the sun gobble I can only doodle that to be one of the flibber, bungle endings to a giggle I can hummingbird. Whirlwind is an absolute harmony jester and I have no riddle if that is to be mirrored in his arrangement. Rainbow begs to be decoded and I would be vaporizing something if she wasn’t rescued yesterday. Because if Rainbow is boozy, JJJ is purported good, which would be wildly useful.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

There's someone he thinks was suspicious at EoD, but I cant for the life of me figure out who that was.

He thinks Michelle might've been rescued, and wants to flip them because if it flips red then it clears J³.

Idg how this curse works. Why is J³ not censored ugh.

yeah its a frame rescue. It was tvt d1. Wolves had full control of thread

JJJ I am in your head. I know you are in charge of this team and now we are playing 4d chess. This is fun

I’m willing to listen to you if you can show me that you have actual purposes for the reads you are providing. I am almost certain you haven’t read this game in full just given time constraints, so explain what you’re about.

I don’t care if you suspect me if you can give a cogent reason.

Strange cape said the same thing about me not having read the game (or was it bereft)

Cape’s early Day 2 is fantastic.

Because you know he is wolf

JJJ I am in your head. I know you are in charge of this team and now we are playing 4d chess. This is fun

I’m willing to listen to you if you can show me that you have actual purposes for the reads you are providing. I am almost certain you haven’t read this game in full just given time constraints, so explain what you’re about.

I don’t care if you suspect me if you can give a cogent reason.

Strange cape said the same thing about me not having read the game (or was it bereft)

I mean I could be wrong about that, but I’d be surprised.

Keep trying to undermine me

not wanting to vote sean



All of these are good reason to town read Michelle.

But honestly if she doesnt post more, doesnt help me with Thunal/Cape/JJJ and find the +1 she can go into the SVS/DM/Scotty/Michelle pile of 1 of

I would much rather kill JJJ today.

You do you, Rondo. But I have seen you spam total b/s reads as mafia more than once, so forgive me if I don’t dismiss your content as “just Rondo things”.

yes yes. Rondo doing rondo things, easy dismissal.

that simply doesn't make sense to me, and i am of course taking the position that most individuals in this game understand what a strong player is, and are rational human beings

Yes, so lets lynch JJJ

PSA: I’m being a bit edgier than usual, and I am conscious of that. If I ever upset anyone, please kick me. I am trying to regain a little edge that has degraded over the years of Mr. Nice Guy.

Or wolf in a corner

Rondo cut the poop and mason me so we can destroy this game

No

Rondo cut the poop and mason me so we can destroy this game

No

You’re gonna be bummed when you see the missed opportunity. We could have had it all, Rondo. We already had our powerhouse mafia team. The magic was there for the taking. Sadness.

Dont starve has ruined that fomo

This is all just Rondo wanting to kill me today. That read of his, on its own power, does not make him town. However, I think there's a motivation at work here that is harder for others to see -- or rather, two of them:

Halvosen Ridge (Rondo and I were both mafia)
Don't Starve (I was mafia, and Rondo wanted to kill me while most did not listen)

I will pull a little excerpt from Don't Starve to give an impression of where I think Rondo's head is. The following stuff in double spoilers is from a different game:

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Porscha- got that fire and simultaneous looseness I associate with town Porscha

Are you able to point to what you saw from Porscha that gave you this impression?

Porscha- got that fire and simultaneous looseness I associate with town Porscha

Are you able to point to what you saw from Porscha that gave you this impression?

I just ISO'd her and....I dunno man, I think I'm smokin something. Need to check something. Hold on

Ok so I just checked my roll and after a few comparisons, I find the Porscha here is much more playful and lolcatty than I for some reason initially thought. It actually reminds me a lot of her D1 in apathy mafia, in which she was voted and yeeted as a wolf D1. This play is different from, say, MU champs practice heist in which she got right down to business and was a bit more ready to get her hands dirty.

Yeah, I can put Porscha down onto my Vivax tier easily atm

There's probably no reason to continue talking about this.

JJJ is mafia. If you cant figure out why from these posts I am done with you

Porscha is town

[VOTE: JJJ ] aubergine

The reason why I quoted the above is JJJ probing and pushing Scotty to answer a question as to why Porscha is full of town fire and scotty proceeds to back out of it with a "oh maybe I am crazy" and then reverse his read. JJJ then proceeds to DO NOTHING with the response and instead proceeds to tell people to stop talking about the angle shooting.

He then tries to deflect me by saying I am quoting the wrong posts and that I dont understand what I am quoting. He KNOWS why I am quoting this but he is trying to make it look silly. Scotty KNOWS because he is in bts with JJJ and JJJ can see he is caught so scotty jumps on the wagon and wont elaborate WHY he thinks JJJ is suspect because there is a chance that JJJ thinks I am just posturing and seeing if he blinks and Scotty needs to be positioned in the right place in case I am serious and I have caught him.

So in conclusion JJJ is mafia not because of what he is saying but because of what he isnt saying and Scotty is Mafia for being opportunistic about it.

The Third is Vivax

The fact that JJJ And Scotty are pulling a coordinated funny man routine against my sus only confirms it to me. I better be lynched early or JJJ and Scotty go

things I probably did not make clear in my last post // random thoughts:

Most of the porscha talk has been very meta-y (I think) and I knida would like to hear a solid point that doesn't rely on that sometime in the future. I've known the name Porscha but my brain is recalling very few experiences with them. At least not recently.

Rondo has been rondo and I kinda just have been ignoring him. Partially a policy thing as I think their play and mindset so drastically different from mine that trying to read them may be a hazard for confidence.

Tutuu's tone has been getting better and better over-time and I don't think confirmation bias can explain that away.

SVS I think I can get an initial read on but it likely requires diving into them independently after my catch-up. Most quotes I saw at a glance didn't ring anything and some people seem to greatly fear a SVS wolf, but I reckon I'm probably better at reading invested higher-posting players than I am of lower-posting less-invested players. Scotty may qualify for that too but he seems to be vibing on a different level than I am at times....if that makes any sense.

Game has been preety fun to read.

Not going to talk about my case on JJJ?

JJJ Bad. JJJ ask questions. JJJ do nothing with garbage answers. JJJ not give softballs. Scotty prob bad too. JJJ Asking questions to look good

JJJ Bad. JJJ ask questions. JJJ do nothing with garbage answers. JJJ not give softballs. Scotty prob bad too. JJJ Asking questions to look good

I don't agree that Scotty's answer was garbage, and I don't think you understand my process.

I dont agree with your disagreeal that scotty's answers were garbage, and I do think I understand your process.

why not jjj?

Also why use neons power on me? I am just harry

ok so in the world scotty is town is JJJ more wolf or less?

in the world that scotty is wolf is JJJ more wolf or less?

(ignoring 3P which is me so I know that it isnt JJJ or Scotty)

for legal reasons this is a joke

Good morning bread

Porscha
Sean
Rondo
Zenon


Town ezpz... maybe.

I like it. Rondo‘s re-entry and stubborn push on JJJ made me town him. Looked like an against the train endeavour I wouldn‘t place as maf.

Martin on the other hand keeps giving me the feeling that his posts lack authenticity.

Tutuu is a little dust devil that could be anything. Initially I thought town for being very informative but that fell off with me being unable to follow their voting logic. I‘m also not sure if they tried to pocket me with the TR.

Scotty‘s list with the Wilgy/Seanzie/something team was refreshing but it was probably too easy as a solve.

I should probably get on a keyboard and better delve into why I think Martin is mafia. Or change my mind depending on what else I find there.

As for JJJ , I‘m not sure if he is capable of using his authoritative vibe independently of alignment.
But that‘d be my main reason for the town lean and I am watching Rondo vsing him with great interest.

Nothing to say about the fact I have you scum too?

It‘s fine Rondo, you can‘t be good at everything

Nothing to say about JJJ calling you out and Scotty agreeing? Happy for me to 1v1 JJJ to try and distract from yourself?

[VOTE: jjj ] aubergine

Maybe JJJ and Rondo have just been hiding their intention of voting for me for the entire duration of the game but that‘d be a lot of effort for a simple player

Hiding? You're my third in the jjj scotty team

Not happy with how he treated my case on him and jjj

[VOTE: jjj ] aubergine

It was interesting how little people actually pushed me over the past two day phases. Everyone was willing to say "oh that Rondo what a sneaky guy, I dont want to town read him but he isnt a wolf so I will bravely go out on a limb and say null" but no one seriously pushed me over more than 72 hours of solo pushing jjj

I am also not surprised that JJJ is unsurprised by me

In that game, Rondo was right about me (at least his conclusion about my alignment was correct). He struggled to get anyone to listen to him, and my team swept. You can see him 1) press the issue stubbornly in that game as he feels like it's not getting through, and 2) conf-bias himself into two teammates of mine (wrong about both, Scotty and Vivax) by reading everything either of them says as lock wolf.

It's very similar to what he has done today with JJJ/Thunal/Cape. He is presuming I am mafia and treating me like this is Don't Starve 2.0. He thinks he has to hard tunnel me to get anyone to listen to him because of what happened last time, and he is solving around his pre-flip of me just like he did in that game. It was Scotty/Vivax then, and it's Thunal/Cape now. Unfortunately for Rondo the starting point is also wrong this time (I'm town), but good luck convincing him of that.

~~~

I recognize this is a bit of a personal take, and it might be hard for others to absorb without fuller context of Don't Starve. But that's my best effort to explain why Rondo would be town in this game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay home. Jay mad.

Don't be mad.
If you are, I go to sleep, I will not play with mad Jay.

I am "mad" like "ready to be my best self", not mad like "upset".

[Michelle]

if anyone accepts me as town, they must accept bereft and cape as town too. that’s simply how it works this time around. my reads are top tier

Is this the consensus town core?

[Michelle]

Jay home. Jay mad.

Don't be mad.
If you are, I go to sleep, I will not play with mad Jay.

I am "mad" like "ready to be my best self", not mad like "upset".

Ok, this feels way better

[robyn]

if anyone accepts me as town, they must accept bereft and cape as town too. that’s simply how it works this time around. my reads are top tier

Is this the consensus town core?

mostly yes, only 2 detractors i believe