Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 7]

#1601

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:am i correct that the deadline is in about 1 hr and 45 mins?

Yes.

#1602

Turnip Head wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Turnip Head: What do you think of the case against Bass? Have you already addressed it? If you have you can just direct me to that post and I'll have a look. If not, well...
I'm afraid I haven't looked into the Bass case much yet. He was quiet today but I've felt good about him when he was posting.

If you want to take a look at it, here's my big post about him. Others have said things as well.

#1603

i've only just now discovered that the "[DAY X]" labels on the posts in the filters aren't always indicative of when the posts were made

#1604

that time i even tried to do the OT thing :P

#1605

Day 2 ISO - TinyBubbles

TinyBubbles wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't think Epi's style is inherently suspicious. It think the points he's made have consistently been unfair and misleading. And his vote was really bad. He's a lot like old Mac for you RYMers.
Also, I can't emphasize this enough.

I'm certain that Epi is mafia.

We haven't seen an Elo and Epi mafia duo since Champions '13, yeah? About time we saw it again, I suppose.
I'm getting mafia vibes from Epi too

i think her entire case can be reduced to this post. if she is mafia then she'd be more likely to be personally invested in the events of the night phase and probably realize Epignosis is dead. so if she posted this as a mafioso, it'd mean she was deliberately milking her position in the game as a new player to try to look better. i am not inclined to make that assumption. there's not enough material from her to have much confidence, but my GTMH read would be town.

TinyBubbles wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
TinyBubbles wrote:If you're asking would I be willing to vote to confirm Epi was mafia then yes I would.
i was just looking for your response so i could gauge whether you really didn't realize Epi is dead or milked the noob card.

at the moment my top suspect is probably Elohcin. i'll re-evaluate everyone later in the day phase though and see where i stand. i don't like to hold stubbornly onto Day 1 suspicions moving forward in a game.
Ooh sneaky, maybe I'll have to recant my opinion about you being a good guy
I'm not milking the noob card I just skim a lot and miss things, it's as lame as that >_>

Anyway, I'm just gonna go ahead and Vote Elohcin. I'm assuming you're not a lying dirty wolf in sheep's clothing misleading me; apart from Bass I don't really know who else to vote for and don't really want to spend more time on it. Elohcin if you're innocent i'm TRULY SORRY and to everyone else, please don't bandwagon. I don't want to be responsible for lynching an innocent. That's probably what got Golden killed.

there's also her hasty Elohcin vote. this is still the last post she made in the thread, which i think points more towards this being a genuine action. i believe her when she says she has been skimming the thread more than reading it, and she just took confidence in my stated suspect and threw a vote down. however, the last three sentences of this post are pretty sketchy so any gut town read i give her is going to be of the "slight" variety.

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Day 2 ISO - birdwithteeth11

i liked him a lot as a townish read on Day 1 for a player with relatively little content to assess (again, this is not an insult to anyone with low post counts, it's just an observation). Day 2 stuff:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I could think of 2 reasons TinyBubbles might drop a vote so early on your main suspect:

1) Possibly he's buddying up to you, and wants you to think he's a civ by comparison.

2) If Elo is lynched and flips civ, he could use it as a way to put responsibility on you. I.e. "I only voted Elo because I agreed with JJJ" or something along those lines.

this is a little troubling, and i think Roxy was the first to touch on it. i don't think it's terribly hard to imagine TinyBubbles's vote from a townie mindset, particularly one so new to the game. so i would have liked to see at least one possibility mentioned here referencing Bubbles as town. these are both mafia-oriented theories, and they're not mutually exclusive.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I might just go back and look at everyone who is voting so ridiculously early. Unless you have a significant RL reason (and I haven't seen any yet), I don't understand the point of not waiting to decide.

have you had a chance to do this, BWT?

otherwise he has had another generally quiet day. i still think he's townier than the mean.

#1606

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:i've only just now discovered that the "[DAY X]" labels on the posts in the filters aren't always indicative of when the posts were made

I think that if you reply with quote it takes the title of what you quoted (unless you change it).
But if you reply it'll just take whatever subect the main post is set to.

#1607

In an effort to give the newbies what they like and are used to I give you my list done the old school STV way

Vomps (PKA AcrossTE) - Seems ok so far posting is expensive in Finland

Bass - As I stated earlier this feels like normal Bass so far. MP forcing him to post may just be MP's way of trying to read him.

Teeth - I am not sure about Teeth there is something off about his vote for Bubbles. He seems to be buddy'ing up to Jimmy and I am not sure how that makes me feel.

BR - I did think she was defending MP AND throwing a small suspicion Elo's way. I do trust splkints read of her but I would like to give her a chance to get better and respond before I lay a vote down for her.

Dragon - seems to be parroting others a bit. Your vote today is a complete waste as Vomps replaced ATE and cannot be lynched today. Although tbh her/his vote explanation read as sincere to me. Hello fence----lol

Elo - I am feeling the way MP feels about you - you labeled Golden as town then voted for him instead of someone on your poss baddie list. I know I have been wrong about you many times but I do feel like MP's case does have merit.

splints - seems to be her "A" game and I like it. I am getting townie vibes from her (I am not the best at reading her but better than some) I find myself agreeing with her and it usually only happens when we are both good. She nailed me to the cross in my first post in our last game together so I really trust her gut when it comes time to hunt baddies.

GMan - I feel for ya

but you are doing your best to be understood I know we have never had a role like this on The Syndicate but I have seen this type of role plenty of times on other sites. However just bc you have a posting restriction it does not absolve you of being bad so I do look forward to deciphering more of your thoughts.

Jimmy - we butt heads bc you are a high poster and I am a low poster. I think we both felt picked on earlier and I apologize for that. I do feel you really are trying to find baddies in the way you know best - believe it or not I am too. I hope we can work together in that common goal. I would like your thoughts on TH. I do not remember an Iso from you about him.

MP - Yeah you are acting different but tbh I think every person (old and new) is playing a bit differently. It is what happens when different mafia styles collide. In a way we all are a bit "off" this game bc things are happening that the new players did not expect and things are happening that the old players did not expect. I know it has affected bc I felt picked on bc of the amount of posts I had and I am sure you were feeling it Day 1. I do however have good vibes from you.

Mateo - I have been agreeing with most of your posts especially today. I agree an ATE vote is off bc they have been replaced and also if I am not mistaken Russti/llama had said they could not be lynched today - so yah useless votes are useless.

Sloon - I feel you are really trying to understand where I am coming from and giving me a chance even though I am a low poster. I feel the best about you after splints. Although we may not always agree I feel like you are giving your best effort to see both sides.

Bubbles - being new can be overwhelming and with the way this game has taken off I am getting the "I cannot follow whats going on" vibe from your posts. I would ask that you not give up and just play the game your way.

Turnips - please respond to something/anything I have said or asked this, this, this, this and/or this.

#1608

#1609

Rox, that post is VERY much appreciated, thank you. It's good to know where you're at, even if your list isn't Rainbow (or puke, as Epi called it) colored. :P

#1610

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:that time i even tried to do the OT thing :P

#1611

G-Man thinks I'm distancing from Elo? I suppose I can see why he thinks that, but it's funny since G-Man doesn't know my mafia meta like many others here do, and thus doesn't know how much I love to distance from my teammates, so I'm curious as to how he came to that conclusion. It's not true in this game.

#1612

Hey Rox, what convinces you that G-Man's posting restriction isn't self-inflicted? Do you think it has to do with his role?

#1613

Voted for TinyBubbles because she/he/it was the first to vote Eloh and becasuse I've been too busy to read the thread. I think I'm speaking for everyone here when I plead everyone to stop posting so much or at least limit your posts to two or three sentences max.

#1614

Vompatti wrote:Voted for TinyBubbles because she/he/it was the first to vote Eloh and becasuse I've been too busy to read the thread. I think I'm speaking for everyone here when I plead everyone to stop posting so much or at least limit your posts to two or three sentences max.

So it's OK if I keep posting a ton as long as each post is less than two or three sentences? :P

#1615

Vompatti wrote:Voted for TinyBubbles because she/he/it was the first to vote Eloh and becasuse I've been too busy to read the thread. I think I'm speaking for everyone here when I plead everyone to stop posting so much or at least limit your posts to two or three sentences max.

No.

#1616

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Voted for TinyBubbles because she/he/it was the first to vote Eloh and becasuse I've been too busy to read the thread. I think I'm speaking for everyone here when I plead everyone to stop posting so much or at least limit your posts to two or three sentences max.
No.

You tell him.

I'm having too much fun Pizza'ing up this thread.

#1617

Roxy wrote:I would like your thoughts on TH. I do not remember an Iso from you about him.

you're right, he's the last player i am going to examine today. give me a few minutes.

#1618

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Roxy wrote:I would like your thoughts on TH. I do not remember an Iso from you about him.
you're right, he's the last player i am going to examine today. give me a few minutes.

WHERE'S MY ISO, JAY? DAMMIT. :P

#1619

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Rox, what convinces you that G-Man's posting restriction isn't self-inflicted? Do you think it has to do with his role?

Bc as I said I have seen this type of role many times on other sites. They restriction lasts for the entire game. So yep I think its his role, I have not scoured the first page yet to see which role this restriction could fit. I have seen these type of restrictions on both good and baddie roles. So I hope Gman continues to post his thoughts more often. I do find his picture posts easy to decipher. So personally I do not find him suspicious at this time.

linky I got your Iso right here MP

#1620

MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Roxy wrote:I would like your thoughts on TH. I do not remember an Iso from you about him.
you're right, he's the last player i am going to examine today. give me a few minutes.
WHERE'S MY ISO, JAY? DAMMIT. :P

unfortunately time was not my ally this phase. maybe in Night 2 assuming i don't get victimized by a drive-by here or something. if you want to be a higher priority in the ISO schedule, try not to be a town read.

#1621

Roxy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Rox, what convinces you that G-Man's posting restriction isn't self-inflicted? Do you think it has to do with his role?
Bc as I said I have seen this type of role many times on other sites. They restriction lasts for the entire game. So yep I think its his role, I have not scoured the first page yet to see which role this restriction could fit. I have seen these type of restrictions on both good and baddie roles. So I hope Gman continues to post his thoughts more often. I do find his picture posts easy to decipher. So personally I do not find him suspicious at this time.

linky I got your Iso right here MP

That's fair enough, but how would Russ and Llama have found out about such a role, since they don't play elsewhere? I mean, I don't disagree with you, I just find it interesting you're so sure it isn't a ploy. It probably isn't, but I'm far from sure.

And lol. That's usually my ISO.

But I'm not a

this game. Kinda wish I was though. :P

#1622

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Roxy wrote:I would like your thoughts on TH. I do not remember an Iso from you about him.
you're right, he's the last player i am going to examine today. give me a few minutes.
WHERE'S MY ISO, JAY? DAMMIT. :P
unfortunately time was not my ally this phase. maybe in Night 2 assuming i don't get victimized by a drive-by here or something. if you want to be a higher priority in the ISO schedule, try not to be a town read.

EVERYONE IS BAD CHECK IT OUT I'M ACCUSING EVERYONE OF BEING BAD RIGHT HERE.

How's that?

#1623

Alright. So I'm about 6 pages behind (you people post waaaaaayyyyy too much for someone who has my schedule :P), and about 50 minutes to vote. I will skim (don't have time to read it all right now) as quickly as I can and vote accordingly. And I haven't had any time to read back on anyone yet. I honestly don't know when that will happen. Probably not until tomorrow morning. But I shall do my best!

#1624

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Roxy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Rox, what convinces you that G-Man's posting restriction isn't self-inflicted? Do you think it has to do with his role?
Bc as I said I have seen this type of role many times on other sites. They restriction lasts for the entire game. So yep I think its his role, I have not scoured the first page yet to see which role this restriction could fit. I have seen these type of restrictions on both good and baddie roles. So I hope Gman continues to post his thoughts more often. I do find his picture posts easy to decipher. So personally I do not find him suspicious at this time.

linky I got your Iso right here MP
That's fair enough, but how would Russ and Llama have found out about such a role, since they don't play elsewhere? I mean, I don't disagree with you, I just find it interesting you're so sure it isn't a ploy. It probably isn't, but I'm far from sure.

And lol. That's usually my ISO. But I'm not a this game. Kinda wish I was though. :P

Mostly bc I know a lot of us have been roaming around other sites involved in the Champion Games maybe they were just checking out other sites role types or maybe they looked for some different type roles on the mafiascum wiki - ofc there are many wikis about types of mafia roles - why are you so sure they are so narrow minded that the would not look for or want to try new things? You do know them better than I.

#1625

Roxy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Roxy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Rox, what convinces you that G-Man's posting restriction isn't self-inflicted? Do you think it has to do with his role?
Bc as I said I have seen this type of role many times on other sites. They restriction lasts for the entire game. So yep I think its his role, I have not scoured the first page yet to see which role this restriction could fit. I have seen these type of restrictions on both good and baddie roles. So I hope Gman continues to post his thoughts more often. I do find his picture posts easy to decipher. So personally I do not find him suspicious at this time.

linky I got your Iso right here MP
That's fair enough, but how would Russ and Llama have found out about such a role, since they don't play elsewhere? I mean, I don't disagree with you, I just find it interesting you're so sure it isn't a ploy. It probably isn't, but I'm far from sure.

And lol. That's usually my ISO. But I'm not a this game. Kinda wish I was though. :P
Mostly bc I know a lot of us have been roaming around other sites involved in the Champion Games maybe they were just checking out other sites role types or maybe they looked for some different type roles on the mafiascum wiki - ofc there are many wikis about types of mafia roles - why are you so sure they are so narrow minded that the would not look for or want to try new things? You do know them better than I.

That's fair enough. I just know Russ has been super busy RL and that he built this game mostly pre-Champions and that Llama generally sticks around here, so I am a bit surprised if these two particular hosts used a lot of non-Syndicate conventions, or even any for that matter, in this game.

If G-Man is faking, he's managed to skate by two days completely undiscussed, and may for the foreseeable future, so that's why I keep considering it. That said, I still am not sure that's the case. I just really have no idea what's going on, since I can't think of any scenario that I think is likely to explain his behavior.

#1626

Honestly, the explanation that makes the most sense is that he IS faking, but I have no clue why he'd do that if he is civilian.

#1627

MP - I do not think it is fair to say he has skated by as you have voiced a negative opinion about him every day :P I do think he will have to step up sooner rather than later with his restriction to make himself be heard and felt as a townie. If he does not do that then he will be getting eyed from everyone including me.

Linky he could be faking it for the fun and lolz of it - I mean I hate to say it but this is a game meant to be fun and frivolous at times.

#1628

Sloonei wrote:birdwithteeth
I've not been uneasy of birdwithteeth's presence at all this game, which is to say he's basically a gut town read for starters. And my eye was initially attracted to his name at the beginning of the game because is that an It's Always Sunny reference?

Unfortunately, no. I've been using it since 2007, which was before I started watching the show.

One thing that I'd like to see followed up on, though:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: birdwithteeth11 -- (#1, #2, #3 no change) -- In #3, I said: "Seems like normal BWT and I know he is very busy. Not sure what to make of him yet." I would feel slightly better about him due to his post content, but his vote for Golden cancels it out, so I'm still not sure what to make of him.
Ummmm...I didn't vote for Golden?

I voted for Bass.

Also, RIP Golden. When I get a chance, I'm going to go back and read how that lynch went down. Something about it smells fishy to me.
Have you had a chance to look over the lynch? If not, could you point to what about it smells fishy? That'd be groovy.

Unfortunately, I have not. RL commitments have kept me from doing so. I'm hoping to get a chance to do some re-reading tomorrow morning.

Definitely the strongest town reads of the three post histories I've looked at. I dunno what that means for the overall picture of the game, but so far so good.

#1629

Roxy wrote:MP - I do not think it is fair to say he has skated by as you have voiced a negative opinion about him every day :P I do think he will have to step up sooner rather than later with his restriction to make himself be heard and felt as a townie. If he does not do that then he will be getting eyed from everyone including me.

Linky he could be faking it for the fun and lolz of it - I mean I hate to say it but this is a game meant to be fun and frivolous at times.

Lol, that's fair, you're right. :P

Oh, yeah, I suppose that's possible. It has been highly amusing!

#1630

sanmateo wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
sanmateo wrote:
Elohcin wrote: MP also made stuff up about my vote, told a lie. He said that I posted that I thought Golden was CIV! Then he later quote a post from me where I say Golden is my #2 suspect. He said that I never had an opinion on anyone but him, but then he quoted a post where I mention several names and what I think about them.
you are definitely skipping over my posts, dont really care if you mentioned other people (but did you? where?), but you said golden was civ and then you voted for him without explaining why at all, you basically never mentioned them again other than to say you were voting them

why do i keep saying things when you arent gonna reply to them or even read them

Elohcin wrote:
Anyway, I am leaning civ on Epi, Golden, MM, Splints, and Jimmy. I am not sure about San, Sloo, DDL, MP, and BR.
vote elohcin
ANOTHER early vote? Seriously?!

I might just go back and look at everyone who is voting so ridiculously early. Unless you have a significant RL reason (and I haven't seen any yet), I don't understand the point of not waiting to decide.
i thought a vote might elicit a response

I get that. But when multiple people in a row do that, it does look a bit odd, comprende?

#1631

Le snipped

Sloonei wrote:
sanmateo wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin -- (#1 No read or unsure, #2 Slight civilian read, #3 no change) -- DROP! Fixated on me all game, then suddenly had opinions on a ton of players with no explanation, including "leaning civilian" on Golden. Then continues to subtly push heat on me until I had an emotional breakdown, upon which she says that both (1) the breakdown doesn't bode well for me yet (2) votes Golden with literally no explanation. Could it get any objectively more scummy than this?
i think you are being manipulative with this, the problem for me isnt that she focused on you but that she had golden as a civilian read and without building a case she flipped and voted for him

at this point i think as scum team of elo + mp07 is more likely than elo + epi, if elo and epi were scum teams their voting would have been very clumsy. in any case i think everyone should focus on getting 1 scum and work their way back instead of trying to catch the whole scum team at once.
Another interesting observation that I'd not really considered. How common is it for scum partners to outright bus each other from Day 1 over here?

Depends on the player. Some will go after teammates left and right and some are completely adamant about throwing teammates under the bus unless absolutely necessary. For Day 1 though, I would consider that to be quite uncommon. I can't remember a time that's happened that springs to mind. But if I'm wrong, someone feel free to correct me.

#1632

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Le snipped

Sloonei wrote:
sanmateo wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin -- (#1 No read or unsure, #2 Slight civilian read, #3 no change) -- DROP! Fixated on me all game, then suddenly had opinions on a ton of players with no explanation, including "leaning civilian" on Golden. Then continues to subtly push heat on me until I had an emotional breakdown, upon which she says that both (1) the breakdown doesn't bode well for me yet (2) votes Golden with literally no explanation. Could it get any objectively more scummy than this?
i think you are being manipulative with this, the problem for me isnt that she focused on you but that she had golden as a civilian read and without building a case she flipped and voted for him

at this point i think as scum team of elo + mp07 is more likely than elo + epi, if elo and epi were scum teams their voting would have been very clumsy. in any case i think everyone should focus on getting 1 scum and work their way back instead of trying to catch the whole scum team at once.
Another interesting observation that I'd not really considered. How common is it for scum partners to outright bus each other from Day 1 over here?
Depends on the player. Some will go after teammates left and right and some are completely adamant about throwing teammates under the bus unless absolutely necessary. For Day 1 though, I would consider that to be quite uncommon. I can't remember a time that's happened that springs to mind. But if I'm wrong, someone feel free to correct me.

I've thrown a teammate under on Day 1.

#1633

MovingPictures07 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Le snipped

Sloonei wrote:
sanmateo wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin -- (#1 No read or unsure, #2 Slight civilian read, #3 no change) -- DROP! Fixated on me all game, then suddenly had opinions on a ton of players with no explanation, including "leaning civilian" on Golden. Then continues to subtly push heat on me until I had an emotional breakdown, upon which she says that both (1) the breakdown doesn't bode well for me yet (2) votes Golden with literally no explanation. Could it get any objectively more scummy than this?
i think you are being manipulative with this, the problem for me isnt that she focused on you but that she had golden as a civilian read and without building a case she flipped and voted for him

at this point i think as scum team of elo + mp07 is more likely than elo + epi, if elo and epi were scum teams their voting would have been very clumsy. in any case i think everyone should focus on getting 1 scum and work their way back instead of trying to catch the whole scum team at once.
Another interesting observation that I'd not really considered. How common is it for scum partners to outright bus each other from Day 1 over here?
Depends on the player. Some will go after teammates left and right and some are completely adamant about throwing teammates under the bus unless absolutely necessary. For Day 1 though, I would consider that to be quite uncommon. I can't remember a time that's happened that springs to mind. But if I'm wrong, someone feel free to correct me.
I've thrown a teammate under on Day 1.

WWE anyone?

#1634

Day 2 ISO - Turnip Head

Turnip Head wrote:@Metalmarsh ^^ So what you're saying is, MP used the word "transparent" 7 times in 218 posts.

i liked this post a lot. had i been around i would have critiqued the post MM made about MP using the word "transparent" because i thought it was a silly case. it should be noted now of course that MM was night killed by the mafia and thus probably a townie -- meaning he was being genuine. but i still thought it was a poor case and would have said so myself. i was glad to see TH step up and make this point.

Turnip Head wrote:I'm going to go ahead and vote TinyBubbles.

this drew the ire of some, understandably. but i'm not sure if many people realize even now that this vote was never actually placed.

separate note -- apparently Vompatti did vote for Bubbles. okay then.

Turnip Head wrote:I don't think Elo's bad. Especially her recent reactions read genuinely to me.

I thought TinyBubbles' vote for Elo was sketchy because, if you look back through Bubbles' posts, she was setting up suspicion of Bass and only Bass, but then MP and Jay make one post each talking about Elo being a better option, and Bubbles immediately rolls with that. The line "If you're a civvie Elo I'm so so sorry!" reeks a bit because if Bubbles was really sorry she wouldn't have voted a player she's not suspicious of. And I think it's a little hokey to allude to someone being lynched when you're literally the first person to cast a vote for that person.

That said, I thought I saw one thing in Bubbles' filter that made me think she's on the level and just playing a little loosely. So I guess what I'd like is Bubbles' answer to the following "Why abandon your read on Bass and piggyback onto the suspicion of Jay and MP?" I believe Bubbles mentioned trusting those two, and I don't think they're baddies either atm, but it doesn't mean they're right about everything either.

MP, can you once again lay out why you don't think Elo's thought process can come from a civ perspective? We've both played many games with her, we both know her perspective is not always the same as everyone else's, so I'm curious exactly what you're seeing there. And what happened to your splints' suspicion?

TH, what "one thing in Bubbles' filter" did you see that "made you think she's on the level and just playing a little loosely"? you asserted its existence in this post but didn't point to anything specific. so that's a strange thing considering the remainder of the post is distinctly anti-Bubbles in language.

Turnip Head wrote:@MP, I think Elo has reacted to the suspicion of her just as emotionally as you have. She sees it her way, and her way is the right way, probably because she's civ. I actually think she'd be more inclined to explain her vote if she were bad, because she would feel like she needs a good explanation.

Fact is, regardless of Elo's own defense, her reads progression of both you AND Golden seems organic to me. She seemed to carefully considerate in her read of you in particular, MP. I don't know if you read it that way, but that's how I read it, and I don't know that a baddie-Elo would go to such lengths and get involved in the argument with you. She cites my case on Golden as a reason to vote for him, and we can debate the merits of her voting based on that, but she's far from the only person in this game to make a change in their read, and that's something civvies tend to do more often than baddies anyways.

So you could say I'm reading her the exact opposite way that you are.

it must be noted that TH has been Eloh's biggest advocate throughout Day 2 as she has seen a pile of early votes placed upon her and more trickle in since then. at the moment she looks like the most likely player to be lynched despite TH's warnings, and i do think TH has made a fair effort to stem the tide against her with posts like this one. he is directly communicating with her most vocal opponent (MP) and another particularly loud player who'd called her a mafia read (me), making a lot of points in her favor. i felt like he was genuinely trying to change my mind. the implications of that behavior from him can't be measured fully without knowing Elo's alignment, but his disposition still reads well to me.

Turnip Head wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:who has your attention for the wrong reasons, TH?
I think we would be worse off if I shared that at this time, Jay.

this isn't really a good thing. i imagine TH has his reasons for playing this way, but without knowing what they are i am not comfortable assuming it's in town's best interest. i have no idea. i struggle to imagine a scenario in which it'd be beneficial for him to keep his suspects a secret. maybe a single suspect if he has uncovered key information, but not more than one. a list of viable suspects would be something useful and presumably not dangerous to whatever plan he has in motion. that's for him to talk about though, because he hasn't given us much to work with. at least he has since stated some suspicions in ways independent to this post (like his recent criticism of DDL's vote for aether).

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one significant issue i have with TH's ISO is that there is no mention of "Roxy" whatsoever anywhere in his Day 2 content. i would expect her to be all over the place, since she has been highly suspicious of him all phase long. he seems to be blatantly ignoring everything she says. Roxy has done well in this regard to make that known, because it was through her complaints about this that i was able to take notice myself. i think TH should address her concerns.

that last bit is a big problem for me, so i am not going to call him a town read. when it comes to his meta and his play in this game differs, i have no comment and i don't think it matters anyway. he has made it pretty clear that he isn't interested in playing this game how he normally plays Mafia, and that behavior can apply to any alignment at all (especially rogue, now that i think of it). so at face value i think he has been saying a lot of the right things -- but it's what he isn't saying that prevents me from feeling good.

null read, barely trending more towards mafia than town.

#1635

WWE was the best.

I am the only person on this site that can ever say that they've barely managed to talk themselves out of a lynch only to purposefully switch it back onto themselves and then have their living teammates win the game. :P

WWE team of Bass, Boomslang, S~V~S and Sock for life.

#1636

MovingPictures07 wrote:That's fair enough. I just know Russ has been super busy RL and that he built this game mostly pre-Champions and that Llama generally sticks around here, so I am a bit surprised if these two particular hosts used a lot of non-Syndicate conventions, or even any for that matter, in this game.

llama hosts a lot though and sets up/frequents the chatrooms for his games. So it is possible someone could have mentioned something in one. I was just in a chat room in HSK that he hosted with 4 others who play on other sites (including our champion TH

). Not saying that this is most probable but he could have heard of it somewhere.

It also wouldn't be the first time hosts have similar good ideas for new, fun role ideas only to find out it has already been done.

idk this type of speculation is hard because it could be anything

linki so much linki i can't believe how far I had to scroll

I'm posting anyways

#1637

#1638

Roxy wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
TinyBubbles wrote:Ooh sneaky, maybe I'll have to recant my opinion about you being a good guy
I'm not milking the noob card I just skim a lot and miss things, it's as lame as that >_>

Anyway, I'm just gonna go ahead and Vote Elohcin. I'm assuming you're not a lying dirty wolf in sheep's clothing misleading me; apart from Bass I don't really know who else to vote for and don't really want to spend more time on it. Elohcin if you're innocent i'm TRULY SORRY and to everyone else, please don't bandwagon. I don't want to be responsible for lynching an innocent. That's probably what got Golden killed.
Hey Sloonei, look at the bit i just bolded up there in that quote.

TinyBubbles, why don't you want to spend more time thinking about your vote? you have quite a long time before the deadline, and who knows who else might influence you? how you might feel yourself? and why trust me so thoroughly as you just drop a vote on the one name i gave you as a suspect?
I could think of 2 reasons TinyBubbles might drop a vote so early on your main suspect:

1) Possibly he's buddying up to you, and wants you to think he's a civ by comparison.

2) If Elo is lynched and flips civ, he could use it as a way to put responsibility on you. I.e. "I only voted Elo because I agreed with JJJ" or something along those lines.
I can think of 2 also:
1) Possibly following those he/she trusts with her/his vote. When I was playing my first few games I often did the same.
2) Is unsure of trusting her/his own instinct and feels better to trust someone else's.

Teeth it seems you are looking for any reason to suspect Bubbles. Can you not think of a new noob reason? Why you would assume to label her vote as a baddie ploy?

It makes me want to eye you more closely if anything.

When I posted that, it was before I realized that TinyBubbles had only played 1 mafia game before this one. My feelings on her have changed since I have additional info that I didn't have before. I no longer think there's a baddie ploy in play.

#1639

fingersplints wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:That's fair enough. I just know Russ has been super busy RL and that he built this game mostly pre-Champions and that Llama generally sticks around here, so I am a bit surprised if these two particular hosts used a lot of non-Syndicate conventions, or even any for that matter, in this game.
llama hosts a lot though and sets up/frequents the chatrooms for his games. So it is possible someone could have mentioned something in one. I was just in a chat room in HSK that he hosted with 4 others who play on other sites (including our champion TH ). Not saying that this is most probable but he could have heard of it somewhere.

It also wouldn't be the first time hosts have similar good ideas for new, fun role ideas only to find out it has already been done.

idk this type of speculation is hard because it could be anything

linki so much linki i can't believe how far I had to scroll I'm posting anyways

All fair. You're right, it's difficult.

And G-Man, I'm truly sorry if you're not faking it, because a multi-period curse of only being able to post in pictures SUCKS.

#1640

G-Man poses a difficult problem for me. normally with a player like this, i think the best solution would be to apply immense and arbitrary pressure upon him in the form of votes. but since votes here are not changeable, i am not going to call for that strategy. he has us in a position of total gut-based guessing, and i admit that isn't my strength. even with players i know well, i am not one to play with my gut. i analyze and i come to conclusions -- something i can't do with 800 pictures.

if there's not much of a precedent for what he's doing on this site, then we need to take the notion that he's screwing around more seriously than we have been. it's especially important that he posted normally on Day 0 and then began his picture thing on Day 1, as TH first observed. if his role is real, then that means it didn't trigger when it the game started. it triggered when Day 1 started. that is apparently a strange thing?

however, the amount of effort he has put forth to be understood and to actually matter in this game still reflects well on him i think. i have a better idea of where he stands on various players than i do on some who aren't cursed/fake cursed.

#1641

curses aren't super common on RYM, but they happen. we had a game in which a player was forced to write every post as a poem and it had to rhyme.

#1642

Nice ISO on TH, Jay. Very interesting. I'll mull over it. I think your best point is the last segment; I do find it interesting that he's specifically ignoring Roxy completely.

And regarding him posting on D0 and then switching is all the more reason it seems he's faking it, IMO. But I agree with you that the fact that he seems to be genuinely trying to play as much as possible, which defeats the purpose of him faking it to skate by, bodes well. It's a really strange situation, that's for sure. I've never seen anything even remotely like this in any Syndicate game ever, and we've had some unconventional roles.

#1643

EBWOP by him I meant G-Man

#1644

i believe we only have 6 votes left in the field and currently the tally leader is up by 4. so i don't feel like i have many things i can do with mine.

is anyone else who hasn't voted still around to talk about this?

#1645

fingersplints wrote:
Roxy wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Those two things have totally different meanings to me. Keeping an eye on = fairly neutral read but still wary. Suspecting = something more substantial

I agree here
btw Happy Sunday whore <3
happy sunday! I like your post about bwt. I've been a bit wary of him but idk why. I'm interested in his answers.

You asked me questions? If you did, I don't remember. If you link back to which post it was, I'll be happy to provide answers.

#1646

I meant I was interested in your responses to Roxys questions.

#1647

I did not address Roxy's concerns because most of what she asked me was predicated on me voting early again for Bubbles which I did not in fact do

Re: this bit though:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:who has your attention for the wrong reasons, TH?
I think we would be worse off if I shared that at this time, Jay.
this isn't really a good thing. i imagine TH has his reasons for playing this way, but without knowing what they are i am not comfortable assuming it's in town's best interest. i have no idea. i struggle to imagine a scenario in which it'd be beneficial for him to keep his suspects a secret. maybe a single suspect if he has uncovered key information, but not more than one. a list of viable suspects would be something useful and presumably not dangerous to whatever plan he has in motion. that's for him to talk about though, because he hasn't given us much to work with. at least he has since stated some suspicions in ways independent to this post (like his recent criticism of DDL's vote for aether).

I think we're on the same page here Jay. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Roxy, there was no one I wanted to pursue strongly today, and while I had wanted to be more of an observer yesterday, we saw what happened when my vote led to a lynch on Golden. I wanted to be more of an observer today and not steer the town in a direction I'm unsure of.

If you have any other concerns for me let me know Rox.

#1648

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:i believe we only have 6 votes left in the field and currently the tally leader is up by 4. so i don't feel like i have many things i can do with mine.

is anyone else who hasn't voted still around to talk about this?

I decided I should vote for Elohcin, and now it seems my vote would put her over the edge completely, barring some serious gun/butter action.
Her and Bass remain my top two suspects, and the bass wagon does not seem to have much momentum at the moment, so it makes the most sense for me to vote Elohcin.

#1649

General rainbow for the moment. i haven't been able to review everyone as thoroughly as i'd like, but here we are. i'm going to disallow myself from any cop-outs with neutral reads.

i feel u:
MovingPictures07
Sloonei

you're close to being felt:
sanmateo
birdwithteeth11
TinyBubbles
Dragon D. Luffy

probability is on your side:
G-Man
Vompatti

i think we can fix this, bae:
fingersplints
Turnip Head
Roxy
acrosstheaether

well shit, someone has to be bad:

Black Rock
Bass_the_Clever
Elohcin

#1650

approaching 10 minutes to go and i see no other option, so yeah, voting Elohcin. I apologize if we've all been wrong about you this game, but the case is probably the strongest one in the thread at this point.

Who killed our talkative teddy??