Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 7]

#2151

sanmateo wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Yeah its been pretty dead in here. DDL why do you think Splints would be a better lynch?
When did I ever say I think that?
My Bad Sanmateo said it.
she thinks its crystal clear that 2 persons are bad but then she votes for someone else. that's a pretty obvious scum-tell imo

I think it's clear 3 people are bad. not 2

#2152

Russtifinko wrote:
sanmateo wrote:why is the poll closed its not 5 pm yet -_________________-
The poll end time is listed at the top of the poll itself. 4:57pm (I assume you're on Central time?), which has passed.

Don't sweat it; since you're new, you won' be punished.

yeah i had assumed it ended at 5 pm exactly, sorry

#2153

sanmateo wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
sanmateo wrote:why is the poll closed its not 5 pm yet -_________________-
The poll end time is listed at the top of the poll itself. 4:57pm (I assume you're on Central time?), which has passed.

Don't sweat it; since you're new, you won' be punished.
yeah i had assumed it ended at 5 pm exactly, sorry

No worries! I would have preferred that, actually.

The way polls work around here, you have to end them a multiple of 24 hours from when you start them. So 24 hours from when I get the poll up, it ends, and if I'm not being very exact it can end on odd minutes. People around here are used to it; I neglected to consider that some of the new players might not be. So it's really my mistake.

#2154

That's why you should do like me: no polls, in vote thread, and every vote made after the deadline is ignored.

Only problem is the timezones though.

Just kidding, those polls are neat.

#2155

Day 3: Success!

The group, having dispatched of Malthus, was put at ease somewhat, and felt they could get down to the business of coming up with an economic plan.

Many members of the group proposed tax cuts to spur growth and unchain the free market from the cumbersome shackles of bureaucracy. Black Rock tried to shout them down, insisting, "We need taxes! Without them, how will we pay for roads? Who will care for the elderly and unemployed? How will we undertake projects that better our whole society without producing profit???"

The group heard all of this, and decided it was a crock. They said, "We'll privatize roads! And parks and libraries, for that matter! Under our system, there will be no unemployed! And as to the elderly, if they haven't saved throughout their lives, they don't deserve to plunder our stores!"

With that, they put it to a vote, and the majority voted to repeal taxes entirely. They also motioned to behead Black Rock. That motion passed, too, and BR's head was subsequently dumped out the front door, attached to a placard that read "Death to Taxes and Their Supporters!" A rousing cheer went up from the hardy watchers that had not been dispersed by the previous days' violence.

Black Rock has been lynched. She was Ricardo. As a result, taxes have been repealed!!
It is now Night 3. You have 24 hours to send in PMs for role powers and/or butter and gun production.

#2156

YES!

BIH Black Rock. But hope to play with you again soon.

#2157

Finally got some scum. Gratz town.

I suppose we'll now be able to analyse how other players interacted with BR.

#2158

I'm 99% sure splints is her teammate, especially after splints's recent behavior, but as I said earlier I do want to ISO her anyway... later.

#2159

Yeah splints refusing to vote for BR suggests some serious bussing.

I'll have to read her posts again.

#2160

#2161

thellama73 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL the hosts are on the poll! Were they before? I don't think so.
Don't vote for me. I have modkills and I'm not afraid to use them.
Also, I think Russ is bad.

NO U! Llama hasn't posted a single suspicion all game. And I've seen him lurking in thread but not posting, multiple times.

Also, I offer my protection to anyone voting llama. A dead llama can't modkill, anyway.

#2162

Can I be on the poll?

#2163

Sorry to have missed the vote I had work and family issues to resolve.

splints made her case from the begining - some said she had tunnel vision otherssaid she was not actively pursuing baddies now suddenly she is bussing someone????

Does anyone read my posts about her?? I am sooooo surprised at MP, he knows her as well as me and should know that this is her civ game. I am not liking what he is saying.
Splints has given us our first mafia in a lynch and you all think she is bad after gunning for BR since Day 1!

on anyone who srsly ursues her for lynch.

#2164

Roxy wrote:Sorry to have missed the vote I had work and family issues to resolve.

splints made her case from the begining - some said she had tunnel vision otherssaid she was not actively pursuing baddies now suddenly she is bussing someone????

Does anyone read my posts about her?? I am sooooo surprised at MP, he knows her as well as me and should know that this is her civ game. I am not liking what he is saying.
Splints has given us our first mafia in a lynch and you all think she is bad after gunning for BR since Day 1!
on anyone who srsly ursues her for lynch.

Lolwut

#2165

No disrespect, Rox, but I don't know where to start in responding to that post.

#2166

@Roxy: not necessarily gonna pursue it, but we gotta consider the possibility. You can't give a player a free pass because the lead a lynch. SPECIALLY when they didn't actually lead the lynch.

I disagree with what MP says about her being 99% baddie. We can't be that sure of that either.

#2167

Well, I'll admit I'm exaggerating, I obviously don't know for certain, but I don't see how splints is a civilian here. At all.

#2168

Roxy wrote:Sorry to have missed the vote I had work and family issues to resolve.

splints made her case from the begining - some said she had tunnel vision otherssaid she was not actively pursuing baddies now suddenly she is bussing someone????

Does anyone read my posts about her?? I am sooooo surprised at MP, he knows her as well as me and should know that this is her civ game. I am not liking what he is saying.
Splints has given us our first mafia in a lynch and you all think she is bad after gunning for BR since Day 1!
on anyone who srsly ursues her for lynch.

she didnt *actually* voted for br tho

#2169

Neat.

Now i can really play my game. Prepare to be analyzed everyone.

When i get home at least

#2170

Alright everyone. I'm really sorry to have to do this, but I just PMed both hosts and asked to be replaced. I haven't read and/or looked at anything since the last time I posted, I won't have a chance to catch up until the end of this week. But I also leave for vacation on Friday, which will probably leave me at no time to spend on mafia stuff. As much as I enjoyed this game, I thought I could handle it with a crazy work schedule. And unfortunately, I cannot.

I did briefly skim and see that we got BR as a baddie (w00t! for that), but otherwise that's all I've seen. Good luck civvies and hopefully my replacement fills my shoes well enough! :P

#2171

Russtifinko wrote:
Day 3: Success!

Black Rock has been lynched. She was Ricardo. As a result, taxes have been repealed!!

#2172

Meaningful interactions between/about Black Rock and acrosstheaether

Black Rock wrote:Well I voted for acrosstheaether, nothing else I could do at this point.

When I flip civ I hope you guys gain the info you are looking for on other players.

this was the only post in which Black Rock acknowledged the existence of aether. BR was limited in her discussion of many players, granted.

acrosstheaether wrote:G-Man... why'd you put fingersplints higher than DDL? If I were to do my rainbow right now, I'd prolly switch their positions from those inside your chart.

I get the impression that either fingersplints or Black Rock are mafia, judging by their interactions, and failing both of those, Turnip Head. My non-turnip head would probably implode if there is not one mafioso among those three.

and this is the only post in which aether acknowledged the existence of BR. it seems neither of them saw fit to speak to or about the one another until they were the top two lynch options at the end of Day 3. aether's comment here espouses an understandable perspective (that either splints or BR is likely to be mafia -- even if i think it should include a scenario for both being mafia). but it's the only time she spoke of BR. similarly, aether's content is limited for many players other than BR as well.

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the obvious issue with these two is that they ignored each other the entire game until their lynches were opposing one another. considering though that each of them was low in content in general it's hard to make a great deal of that. i don't think this has a significant impact upon my read of aether.

#2173

So I did a quick read of the latest phase.

Splints's vote on aether was REALLY soon in the phase. About 13 hours. It was the second vote in the phase, right after TinyBubbles's vote on Bass.

If she had made that later, I'd see it as a bigger evidence of bussing. Since, after arguing for a BR lynch for days and seeing people wanting to lynch her, not voting for her would be indeed suspicious.

But when splints voted, the BR bandwagon barely existed. Only a few players (TH and JJJ) had voiced their suspicions on BR, and neither had been adamant about it. In fact, at that point the aether lynch seemed like the most likely outcome.

It's quite possible that splints voted for aether because of wanting to pursue a new suspect, and thinking the BR lynch wouldn't become a thing. I've done that before myself as town, so I don't waste too many phases on the same lynch target. It's also possible that, after a day where BR didn't post, splints's suspicion of her just got outdated. She decided a BR vote would require further information and went for a lynch built on more evidence. I should mention again that her initial suspicion was based on a single D1 post, and BR's defenses of it. Maybe splints just didn't tunnel that hard. She started arguing with BR later in the phase, but her vote was already cast at that point.

Of course, none of this proves her as town. It only proves that there's no indication of bussing, but the bussing could still be true. Splints could have just jumped on the aether bandwagon for convenience, then started arguing with BR again to avoid further suspicion.

One question I'd like splints to answer (if she already did, someone please point that out), is why she voted so early in the phase. A later vote could have provived her with more evidence and allowed her to help the BR bandwagon. Was there any reason for wanting to lock your vote on aether so soon?

With that said, I think the possibility of splints bussing on BR is lower than otherwise.

#2174

Effective immediately, Golden 2.0 is replacing birdwithteeth11.

#2175

Meaningful interactions between/about Black Rock and Bass_the_Clever

BR never said anything to or about Bass in any post. Bass didn't acknowledge BR until the gun-to-head reads exercise, in which he named her as town:

Spoiler: show

it is noteworthy perhaps that of the four primary participants in that exercise, Bass was the only one to name BR as a townie.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok so I just caught up and wow. I have a good feeling about TH's case on BR. I feel like it took BR awhile tto come up with a list of who she thought was bad. I think BR gets reads on people quicker then that when civ. It could be because she was sick or it could be because she is bad. I leaning towards the latter.

despite the long silence re: BR and the GTH townie call, Bass joined the aggression against BR at EOD3. he lent his support to the case made by TH, and more importantly he explained what he liked about the case. the timing of this maneuver and reasoning supplied reflect decently well upon him i think. he voted for her in his next post. moreover, his vote for BR was the 4th for her, which put her in the lead over aether after they'd been tied at three for a couple hours. another good reflection.

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i think Bass looks a little better than he did before the BR lynch.

#2176

And for all our players, we have a special treat!

Two of your fellow players have decided to sing a song for you. Please vote on the singer you most prefer by the end of the Night phase.

#2177

interesting thoughts re: splints DDL. i'll see how i feel about her in light of the BR mafia flip once i get to her in these interactive analyses i am doing. but i would caution anyone out there who is anywhere near "certain" bussing occurred. i think on the surface it's a valid concern, but let's do our homework as a group before we make any moves.

welcome back Golden

#2178

Looking at the list of people who voted BR:

JJJ and TH lead the discussion of BR in this phase.

MP was taking part in the discussion and expressing the possibility of lynching BR. He seemed to be on the fence, and was more willing to vote for aether for a while, but later he decided to vote BR.

G-Man did not take part in any discussion (obviously), but was the first to vote for BR. He did come at a point where BR getting voted as a very high possibility, though.

Now Bass showed up 30 minutes before the phase end, after being absent for the whole phase, and dropped a vote on BR with the following explanation:

Ok so I just caught up and wow. I have a good feeling about TH's case on BR. I feel like it took BR awhile tto come up with a list of who she thought was bad. I think BR gets reads on people quicker then that when civ. It could be because she was sick or it could be because she is bad. I leaning towards the latter.

I do not understand that explanation, considering it's a heavily meta-based one. It would be good if someone could confirm that to me (BR getting reads faster when civ). But the problem is, Bass jumped on a bandwagon at the very end of it with little discussion. That could be a serious case of bussing to me.

Sure, at that point the votes were tied 3-3, which makes bussing a bad tactical decision. But if aether is mafia, then he wouldn't have any choice anyway. Besides, TH and sanmateo were still probably going to vote for BR, so I'm not sure if Bass could have saved BR. And failing to do so would have made him a lock for the next lynch.

With that, I think my opinion on bass is back to neutral, or maybe even slighly mafia.

#2179

to be honest i was [pleasantly] surprised when sanmateo voted BR. i thought he would go with aether.

#2180

Wait, is that MP singing?

#2181

I'm baaaaaaaack!!!!

Full disclosure: After I died, my one regret was that I'd spent so long expressing my suspicion of epi that I hadn't said the one person I really had a civ vibe on, and that was BR. It's kind of lucky I wasn't around yesterday, because I would have been defending her in the biggest way. Especially in JJJ's gun to head exercise, I wanted to come in to the thread and defend BR so badly right then lol. Can't win em all.

I kept up with this thread as far as sloonei dying but haven't really so much since Omerta began so I need to get back in to it. I could do a quick synopsis of where I was up to in my thinking at that point now? Or you could wait until I've caught up.

First things first, I probably would have gone after TH today, but I think the poll is looking pretty good for him, and a couple of others as well. I'll probably do a lynch analysis as part of my catch up (except that I dare say JJJ will beat me to it

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#2182

Big ballin result

See you in the next game BR!

#2183

Welcome back, Golden!! I very much look forward to hearing what all you have to say.

See you later, BWT, it was fun playing with you while you were in the game!

I'll try to be as open minded as possible regarding splints, since I realize I got lucky with Elo. Nonetheless, she's my biggest suspect at the moment, before I do any research or Rainbow Reads building.

And yes, that is me "singing". :P

#2184

Sounding good, G-Man.

#2185

This is the most talkative G-Man has been in the entire game.

#2186

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:This is the most talkative G-Man has been in the entire game.

#2187

to the player responsible for that display, I would like to express my deepest thanks. Blackmail for YEARS to come....!

#2188

oh sure, let's leave JJJ out of the singing contest. :P

#2189

Golden wrote:First things first, I probably would have gone after TH today, but I think the poll is looking pretty good for him, and a couple of others as well. I'll probably do a lynch analysis as part of my catch up (except that I dare say JJJ will beat me to it )

maybe.

but as long as we disagree about at least one thing, it'll all be worth the effort.

#2190

Golden wrote:I'm baaaaaaaack!!!!

Full disclosure: After I died, my one regret was that I'd spent so long expressing my suspicion of epi that I hadn't said the one person I really had a civ vibe on, and that was BR. It's kind of lucky I wasn't around yesterday, because I would have been defending her in the biggest way. Especially in JJJ's gun to head exercise, I wanted to come in to the thread and defend BR so badly right then lol. Can't win em all.

I kept up with this thread as far as sloonei dying but haven't really so much since Omerta began so I need to get back in to it. I could do a quick synopsis of where I was up to in my thinking at that point now? Or you could wait until I've caught up.

First things first, I probably would have gone after TH today, but I think the poll is looking pretty good for him, and a couple of others as well. I'll probably do a lynch analysis as part of my catch up (except that I dare say JJJ will beat me to it )

You know who should be next!

#2191

Also that "solo" in the middle of the song was amazing, MP.

#2192

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Also that "solo" in the middle of the song was amazing, MP.

LOL, I was hoping at least someone would get a kick out of that. :P

#2193

Meaningful interactions between/about Black Rock and birdwithteeth11/Golden 2.0

BR had nothing to say to or about BWT11. this is becoming a frustrating trend, but productive for any members of the mafia team.

Spoiler: show

BWT11 seemed to be accusing splints of hypocrisy here, suggesting that her waffling about MP was comparable to BR's defense/non-defense of MP. if this is to reflect poorly on BWT, then that means one must assert he was trying to lessen splints's suspicion of her with this post (by pointing out her inconsistency of mindset). but i don't think that's what is happening here. BWT is calling splints suspicious for the same reason splints was calling MP suspicious. or at least he calls it a similar reason. and i think that reflects well.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright everyone. I'm really sorry to have to do this, but I just PMed both hosts and asked to be replaced. I haven't read and/or looked at anything since the last time I posted, I won't have a chance to catch up until the end of this week. But I also leave for vacation on Friday, which will probably leave me at no time to spend on mafia stuff. As much as I enjoyed this game, I thought I could handle it with a crazy work schedule. And unfortunately, I cannot.

I did briefly skim and see that we got BR as a baddie (w00t! for that), but otherwise that's all I've seen. Good luck civvies and hopefully my replacement fills my shoes well enough! :P

BWT didn't mention BR again until this post-mortem celebratory post in which he also announced his request to be replaced. he missed the vote, so his impact on her lynch was obviously null. this could be called a problem by anyone who is undeterred by his stated reason (being busy). i am not of such a mindset and won't punish him for that. he literally just got replaced after all.

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the lack of content (again) makes it hard to take a stronger stand either way here. but the one pre-vote observation i made was a positive one, so i'll say he looks a tiny bit better now than he did before BR flipped mafia.

#2194

Meaningful interactions between/about Black Rock and Dragon D. Luffy

guess what! BR said nothing to or about DDL.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Black Rock: not much useful activity, but she seems to be the player who likes to comment on little contradictions and say useful things now and then. Not a very productive playstyle, but looks honest to me. Also seems to be having a real problem catching up and being online, so I gotta give her some pass. I wanna see more before making a read, so let's say I'm neutral.

DDL had a busy Day 1. he found time to talk about most players in the game and thankfully BR was no exception. in this post he doesn't really offer a lean on BR, but i won't fault him for that yet. on Day 1 BR was a tough read for most people myself included. the bit i highlighted in yellow interests me because of the candor of the criticism -- i think it's a bit odd for a brand new player in a foreign mafia environment to say something like this about the style of one of the regulars. i don't think DDL meant to be mean or anything, but it'd be groovy if he could explain what he meant here. he found the playstyle non-productive but also honest-seeming. so that's an interesting pair of phrases to throw into a first read of a confirmed mafioso.

Spoiler: show

these are DDL's belated GTH reads. he listed BR as town. he didn't talk much about BR beyond the first post i quoted through Days 1 or 2, beyond mentioning her in passing as a component of thoughts directed at other players.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I agree Black Rock's posts are filled witH OMGUS. Seems like an easy way to pull an argument off.

But I also agree that fingerplints has done some SERIOUS tunenling on Black Rock. It's rare to see such a hard offense on someone because of a single day 1 post which could be interpreted in multiple ways. So honestly I'm not sure if I'd have done any differently in BR's place. You have to confront the person who is doing a witch hunt on you. The whole thing feels so forced I wouldn't be surprised if they were both mafia bussing each other, though.

Her suspicions on Turnip are less personal. I don't think they are really strong though, they seem to be based more on gut feeling than anything. Sure, there's the whole Golden thing, but I think that's such an easy point to make which multiple other people have made before, and not a really strong one. Again, it felt like Turnip was pulling a gambit to make Golden talk. There's also suspicion on Turnip's fake Bubbles vote, which is pretty stupid since he was obviously joking about it, but I guess BR is just the 10h person to fail to notice that (seriously people, look at the poll when you want to analyse votes).

in the latter half of Day 3, DDL started to warm to the idea of BR as a lynch prospect. he agreed with TH and i that BR's self-defenses were ridden with OMGUS but didn't really personalize his suspicion of her. most of this post seems to be anti-splints anyway after the initial support for the growing case against BR. this became a little bit thematic in his EOD3 posts -- when he talked about BR he talked about splints too. which is understandable i think -- the two are clearly linked all over the thread.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Oh that's right, you voted for aether.

I'll probably do the same unless new information shows up, but I doubt that will happen at this point.

despite his growing appreciation for the BR case, he held strong to his earlier stated desires to lynch aether. soon after this post, he voted for aether instead of BR. that vote put aether in the lead 2-1, and at the time i thought it might generate the momentum needed to lynch aether instead. so on that front, i don't like this vote. the degree of suspicion which can be heaped on DDL for this is dependent upon aether's alignment perhaps, but when we don't know that information this equates to negative marks from me.

DDL had a chance to really solidify himself with this vote and did not come through.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Hey G-Man, are you even allowed to write full texts in images like that?

I agree other lynches may produce more information. But dunno, I'd give BR a little more time since she was sick last day and we can't really deny that. While aether had all the time to look like a townie and just failed spetacularly at that.

I agree BR looks like a baddie right now, though.

DDL explains his looming aether vote here. he "agrees BR looks like a baddie", but still placed his vote on the player who "had all the time to look like a townie and failed". i think there's a big difference between "looks like a baddie" and "doesn't look like a townie", and it makes a lot more sense to place one's vote according to the former description. the entire concern with an aether lynch was that she'd represent the low-hanging fruit (because of her failure to promote herself, which is not an uncommon townie fault). this discrepancy is a problem for me. DDL should talk about it.

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i think DDL said a lot of the right things about BR, particularly during the EOD3 scenario leading to her lynch. but he did not do the right things, which is more important. so he looks worse than he did before to me.

#2195

thellama73 wrote:And for all our players, we have a special treat!

Two of your fellow players have decided to sing a song for you. Please vote on the singer you most prefer by the end of the Night phase.

Oh my God, this is one of my favorite mafia moments EVER. You guys both rocked it!

I had to go with G-Man. His performance had everything I desire in a music video: passion, many, many octaves, and wooden blocks spelling his name. However, I also liked MP's a lot.

It should be noted that Nash requested that ANYONE be able to vote in this poll. So hosts, mods, dead, non-players, and anybody else we can round up gets a say. Llama and MM, you guys could place a vote by bolding in-thread, since you already chose the non-vote option in the poll

Spacedaisy wrote:to the player responsible for that display, I would like to express my deepest thanks. Blackmail for YEARS to come....!

#2196

I didn't think it was possible, but the videos get even MORE awesome if you play them at the same time! They're almost exactly the same length. Start MP's first, I think, since it's 2 seconds longer. Then just soak it in.

#2197

#2198

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sounding good, G-Man.

What do you lack?

#2199

you're my boy G-Man. you should check out this new spoiler feature, it could really suit you in this game.

#2200

Russtifinko wrote:Oh my God, this is one of my favorite mafia moments EVER. You guys both rocked it!

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