Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 7]

#3451

interesting. i think the mafia would have loved to have DDL alive at LyLo considering he's been suspected by so many people all game long. so that he has been night killed has to have some strategic relevance.

DDL went harder after Golden than anyone else.

RIP DDL, thanks for playing so hard all game long.

#3452

MovingPictures07 wrote:Welcome to the land of the dead, zombie DDL. Fantastic first game on The Syndicate.

Thanks man.

This is a pretty good time to die actually. There are stuff I need to focus on IRL.

Has a blast in this game. I really wanna play more games in this site some time.

#3453

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:interesting. i think the mafia would have loved to have DDL alive at LyLo considering he's been suspected by so many people all game long. so that he has been night killed has to have some strategic relevance.

DDL went harder after Golden than anyone else.

RIP DDL, thanks for playing so hard all game long.

One internet cookie for the one who can spot where the image is from.

#3454

#3455

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:interesting. i think the mafia would have loved to have DDL alive at LyLo considering he's been suspected by so many people all game long. so that he has been night killed has to have some strategic relevance.

DDL went harder after Golden than anyone else.

RIP DDL, thanks for playing so hard all game long.

One internet cookie for the one who can spot where the image is from.

Homestuck?

#3456

Yay, I love when I find Homestuck fans in random places!

#3457

I'm not a Homestuck fan, I just see references to it everywhere, it's so popular

#3458

Fair enough.

#3459

DDL was also the only player who wasn't calling sanmateo a scum read. WIFOM.

#3460

I am not used to being alive during Day 7 of anything.

#3461

Would you believe me if I told you I don't have an opinion on sanmateo?

#3462

#3463

Vompatti wrote:Would you believe me if I told you I don't have an opinion on sanmateo?

what is your opinion on Vompatti?

#3464

splints, how does this night kill choice affect your perception of sanmateo if at all?

#3465

*Ahem* I....messed up the poll. I have to restart it so....

You NOW have 24 hours to lynch someone.

#3466

i think we should lynch fingersplints

#3467

ftr i have a lynch stop which i'll probably use if i'm about to be lynched, i see why some people think im suss but we're 5 vs 1 and i'm a townie

#3468

sanmateo wrote:i think we should lynch fingersplints

why?

#3469

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
sanmateo wrote:i think we should lynch fingersplints
why?

she and g-man are the scummiest players imo, and fingersplints hasnt really faced a lynch yet

#3470

sanmateo wrote:ftr i have a lynch stop which i'll probably use if i'm about to be lynched, i see why some people think im suss but we're 5 vs 1 and i'm a townie

i hope you didn't already buy that. because the components required to purchase it could be used much more effectively in a different way.

#3471

sanmateo wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
sanmateo wrote:i think we should lynch fingersplints
why?
she and g-man are the scummiest players imo, and fingersplints hasnt really faced a lynch yet

i need to know why you feel that way. what makes them the scummiest players? point to specifics.

#3472

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Would you believe me if I told you I don't have an opinion on sanmateo?
what is your opinion on Vompatti?

My objective opinion is that he seems significantly more bad now than he used to because he didn't vote for G-Man as he promised.

#3473

Vompatti wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Would you believe me if I told you I don't have an opinion on sanmateo?
what is your opinion on Vompatti?
My objective opinion is that he seems significantly more bad now than he used to because he didn't vote for G-Man as he promised.

do you think we should lynch him today?

#3474

ugh jay why do you want me to try? it only makes being wrong more embarrassing

gonna case them later today/early tomorrow

#3475

sanmateo wrote:ugh jay why do you want me to try? it only makes being wrong more embarrassing

gonna case them later today/early tomorrow

because it's Day 7 and i just got done calling you a suspect. i can't trust your reads at face value, but i can listen to what you have to say. i want to. i don't care if you've been wrong on other players, if you're right on this one then it could win the game.

#3476

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Would you believe me if I told you I don't have an opinion on sanmateo?
what is your opinion on Vompatti?
My objective opinion is that he seems significantly more bad now than he used to because he didn't vote for G-Man as he promised.
do you think we should lynch him today?

No, I think we should lynch llama.

#3477

Vompatti wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Would you believe me if I told you I don't have an opinion on sanmateo?
what is your opinion on Vompatti?
My objective opinion is that he seems significantly more bad now than he used to because he didn't vote for G-Man as he promised.
do you think we should lynch him today?
No, I think we should lynch llama.

what will you do if there is a LyLo phase and the entire game hinges on your vote?

#3478

lol jay must be dissapointed by being in day 7 with only me and vompatti to talk to

i'll do something now

#3479

on the surface your posts continue to read town to me, sanmateo. there is plenty of evidence against you, but there was plenty of evidence against aether too. and DDL being the night kill suggests to me that remaining scum was counting on you being lynched. so if my gut is right here and you're not mafia, then i know you can be a huge asset right now. i have seen you play well in late game situations multiple times (even when others haven't listened to you) and i value your input.

#3480

put more simply: i'm asking for help. this is a tough spot we're in.

#3481

#3482

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Oh, I'd like to play with you.

#3483

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Would you believe me if I told you I don't have an opinion on sanmateo?
what is your opinion on Vompatti?
My objective opinion is that he seems significantly more bad now than he used to because he didn't vote for G-Man as he promised.
do you think we should lynch him today?
No, I think we should lynch llama.
what will you do if there is a LyLo phase and the entire game hinges on your vote?

I won't have to do anything because I already voted.

#3484

I would but you'll have to rezz me.

Though in the current economy at the current tax rate that'd take still night 16 or something.

#3485

Vompatti wrote:I won't have to do anything because I already voted.

not now silly. in the next day phase, should there be one.

#3486

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:I won't have to do anything because I already voted.
not now silly. in the next day phase, should there be one.

I'll vote for G-Man and furthermore use all of my guns on G-Man k

#3487

Vompatti wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:I won't have to do anything because I already voted.
not now silly. in the next day phase, should there be one.
I'll vote for G-Man and furthermore use all of my guns on G-Man k

i like your confidence! what if G-Man dies before that though?

#3488

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:I won't have to do anything because I already voted.
not now silly. in the next day phase, should there be one.
I'll vote for G-Man and furthermore use all of my guns on G-Man k
i like your confidence! what if G-Man dies before that though?

Then I could vote for pretty much anyone.

#3489

i think sanmateo is cooking up something serious right now, and i'm excited about it.

#3490

Russtifinko wrote:
Night 6: Exit the Dragon
Dragon D. Luffy has been killed by Robert Solow.

Spoiler: show

#3491

Vompatti wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:I won't have to do anything because I already voted.
not now silly. in the next day phase, should there be one.
I'll vote for G-Man and furthermore use all of my guns on G-Man k
i like your confidence! what if G-Man dies before that though?
Then I could vote for pretty much anyone.

maybe we could lynch G-Man today and it won't have to come to that. would you like that? if not llama of course.

#3492

i realize most of you have moved on to more elaborate ways of casing players but im a simple country boy so here is my limited edition fingersplints ISO, sorry if this is all stuff i already said on day 4

Spoiler: show

fingersplints wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Anyway, I am leaning civ on Epi, Golden, MM, Splints, and Jimmy. I am not sure about San, Sloo, DDL, MP, and BR.
BR's defense of MP definitely caught my eye. Especially in a one mafia set up. If she was bad, I mean he could be a indy but she would know he was more likely to be good.

ftr the post she's referring to:

Black Rock wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I see that DDL thinks all those who've been posting tonight look like town. I disagree, but not only that, I highly doubt that none of the mafia are talking. I just can't see that being the case. Honestly, I see MP's over-helpful behavior as suspicious. I know we have a lot of new players and he wants to be helpful, but there's just something fishy about it.
I really don't see MP as being overly helpful. I see it more as him excited about the new players and helping them out. I would expect this behaviour from MP and I would expect you to see this as well.

this is the first time she mentioned black rock in what would be a constant "aggressive" tone between em thru the first days of the game

fingersplints wrote:First off, I did not "no u" BR as I made my suspicion first. After that she then said she was watching me. Not that she was suspicious. Just watching. How the fuck is that "100% no u"
Her response did not satisfy me because it was basically a play for emotion like when she said something about how she thought I would know her better. This is something I would expect of baddie BR. Plus I now think she didn't mean to defend MP, so said she didn't, and then now she did and is backtracking.

I'll comment to the rest of MPs post later but I'm voting him now.
this feigned indignition has become pretty standard for MP. I can't give him a free pass again for this

see this type of thing still bothers me, a lot of you seemed to move on but she really went after black rock and voted for someone else, something she did again on day 3. in day 2, the only time she voted for br, elohcin's lynch was basically already decided. it looks like bussing imo

fingersplints wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:5 votes for Golden? What the sodding hell?
You and bass have votes.

I'd love to hear Rox's opinion on Bass. She knows him well

first time she mentions roxy

fingersplints wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Has anyone considered that G-Man is pulling a gambit, isn't actually cursed, and is skating by on Day 1?

Why did a couple of players automatically dismiss any future suspicion of him assuming he's cursed?
Nothing to find him suspicious of today and don't like to vote cursed players. He doesn't get a free pass the whole game though.

first interaction with notoriously elusive player g-man, not sure what to think of it but i think there's something significant here as she has indeed turned on him thru the last few phases, specially after dog pee gate. at least she has been consistent and #transparent with her interactions towards g-man thru the game

fingersplints wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Maybe I am a little bit clouded by my last experience with a civvie Elo in Roger Rabbit.
have you noticed similarities between the Elo of this game and the Elo of that game?
Yes. I feel like it is more similar to her most recent baddie game I can remember.
Also, I feel like I have suspected Elo a lot for bandwagoning. So while her vote is weird I am not sure that it is that weird for Elo. And I am a bit wary that no one so many people seem to be ok with lynching her.

linki @ Sloonei - Bass is Roxy's son, and that is why I asked her opinion of him earlier. She can read him very well, so if she says he is alright I believe it for now.

fingersplints wrote:Really? I guess I am reading her different then you guys. I feel like she is at least trying to address the suspicions

she really distanced herslef from the elo lynch, looking at that tally 2 of the 3 known scums did so too and bass only voted for elo when a few players had already said "well my vote doesnt matter at this point so im going to vote for this bandwagon", this is WIFOM but im not sure if scum would collectively decide for all of its members to vote away from a player they assume to be town

fingersplints wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:f but i can't help but be concerned about a player with one suspicious encounter early in the game and nothing else since other than a little detached commentary and off-topic posting.
I think she might be busy and bad.

idk if this post is serious but it is about br, odd thing to say

fingersplints wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Imo we should estabilish a G-Man thereshold.

If you are posting less than G-Man, then your activity is not acceptable.

(just kidding, I know real life happens)
I think it's harder to post as we have. While Gman has to find pictures; A lot are repeat. If he is bad he doesn't have to really push for lynches, and he isn't under much scrutiny.

transparent

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p144846

this is her responding to a sloonei case, i'm not really sure what to make of her theories about mp/br but it does seem to be an intricate way to establish br as her most suspected player while side-eyeing mp. not familiar with her meta and it may be down to that but this doesnt seem organic to me, there's a lot of discussion about g-man which idk what to make of either

one thing i dont like is that she ends her post by saying "idk u" when asked who is scum

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p144851

fingersplints wrote:I was going to answer, but I'll let Rox take care of that one. Was it me that was answering for other people before? It probably was.

roxy and splints' interactions were like the polar opposite of roxy and br's. which is what i've come to expect from scum teams, where they bus one of their teammates while being cordial with another

fingersplints wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: Thanks, sanmateo. I look forward to hearing your answers to other questions and what you think of others as well.

Sloonei, so I am looking through splints's posts again because I'm revisiting my suspicion of her, and I'm uncovering again that she's been issuing a lot of wishywashy statements and I did find it notable that she couldn't even name a top suspect when I asked her yesterday (but then went on to say she still really suspects BR). I'd like to amend my post to say that she might be my 3rd suspect (pushing her back up again), but I'm not certain just yet.
I think you should reconsider who you call wishy washy when you have been drastically up and down in your suspicions. You are pressuring me to name more suspicions. I have and if that isn't good enough for you so be it.

I suspect BR for the defense of MP. A bunch of you didn't suspect it because you trust MP and all suspect Elo, but I understood what she was saying about MP. She wasn't calling him "mean", and I felt she was trying to be tactful about it, but he exploded at Epi and played the victim. (His word choice. Not mine) I feel like BR jumped on that and defended MP. I have been wishy washy about MP because as I said I'm not going to waste a shit ton of time debating how I feel about a player when my read on them is pretty dependant on someone else.

I'm voting BR now.

idk if these votes are supposed to be misdirections or something, where you argue against a player and then you vote for someone else. BUT WAIT

fingersplints wrote:If he is bad, he could be avoiding casting a vote for Elo so it doesn't look bad if she flips civvie.

huh. this just seems dishonest, he mentioned her as his supect on day 1 but it's not like he was particularly pushing people to vote for elo at that point

fingersplints wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:How long will this activity be? It's already 11 here

How many people missed the vote?
I also think that her team would be more likely to have distanced from her since she was so obviously going down.
She was the Serial Killer.

I only really know the two civvie role/abilities I have had.
so still good result just not the one I thought a few moments ago. I have to go figure out if it has been addressed if the kill goes to baddies

this is something

fingersplints wrote:You guys really think that both me and BR are bad?

How many baddies do you think there are MP?

wifom is an overused term but i think it fits right here

fingersplints wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
fingersplints wrote:My suspicion of aether has been growing. Like I said before I don't see how every role not being revealed is enough to want to quit a game when you guys have a role that hides role reveals. So that is a possibility. I also brought up earlier how I believe mafia likes to comment on roles and the like to seem to be contributing without really. So I think the second was more likely the intention, while pinpointing a valuable role would have been a nice side effect.
to be fair, the role you're referring to may have only appeared on RYM once or twice ever. it's not commonplace and i don't think i've ever played with one in a game myself. however, i highlighted the point in your quote that i think is most salient. i agree, and a parallel can be drawn that the RYMers might be more familiar with -- in our culture, this is usually expressed by fake-contributing mafia in the form of setup speculation (like guessing at how many scum there are, or what roles there might be, and how the game might be balanced), because on RYM we usually play in closed setups. so you're right to raise this point i think, fingersplints.
this is a reasonable explanation, but not one she provided. It feels like she ignored it hoping that suspicion would drop. (Another thing I associate as baddie behavior)

in hindsight (lame i kno) aether coming back after the death of the sk is understandable but i think the second post is definitely reaching at a time when aether's lynch was gaining traction, trying to add fire to that thru any means necessary is a scum-tell for me

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 03#p145803

this is a jay iso which she dismisses as being mostly wifom but she responds to it with more wifom specially when trying to explain why she would "bus" br

fingersplints wrote:Also, you accuse me of tunneling when most every suspicion of me has been about my suspicion of BR. If you can figure out a way for me to defend myself without mentioning her I will, but until then yea I am going to have to talk about it a lot. This little Day 1 suspicion probably would have died down, but BR's behaviour and a couple others defense of her make me feel more strongly then ever that I am right.

BR I hope you can at least appreciate it from that perspective.

i dont know why she says the little day 1 suspicion should've died down when she was still doing the things that pinged other people, tbh i still think they're valid. specially since she never voted for br when it mattered

fingersplints wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Not anything particularly.

But since you're asking, is there anyone you're suspecting besides BR?
I voted for aether. I made you a list of most to least suspicious. A whole bunch in the middle I don't know if I could really justify why I ranked one higher then the other. just gut feels I guess

Black Rock
Acrosstheaether
birdwithteeth11
Turnip Head
MovingPictures07
TinyBubbles
sanmateo
Dragon D. Luffy
JaggedJimmyJay
G-Man
Bass_the_Clever
Vompatti
Roxy
fingersplints

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p146152

this 2 posts bothered me a lot and are the main reason fingersplints is my main suspect, her reasoning never convinced me either- http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 01#p146201

fingersplints wrote:I'm not taking it personally. For example if you call me a liar I do not think you think I personally lie. Only that I am a liar within the game.
I am bothered at the implication that I am playing wrong as I have been feeling that all around this entire game, but that's all
I've been playing for enough years to know when I am fighting a losing battle. I have other games to play as well and this one is draining me too much. So I wanted you guys to know where to go when I am gone

she seemed to be the main suspect until this post, here and in a few previous posts she asks that people look at mp after she's lynched. it was real weird that both changed their mind as soon as day 4 started but seeing how mp was the first to do so, splints' whole caseon him reads as omgus, she later said this which is like, why
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 66#p146966

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 4#p146774- she believes g-man
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 88#p146888 - then she doesnt

fingersplints wrote:
I forgot/missed he replaced bwt. I never felt great about bwt, so I don't feel great about Golden 2.0

she never really mentioned bwt before this as far as i can tell

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 88#p146988 - i dont like nk speculation but i figure this might as well be worth pointing out, ddl was one of the few players to hold on to any suspicion of splints after day 3

fingersplints wrote:
I am wondering a bit why she wasn't more defensive of bass? If she was defensive of other civvies in thread (like me) then why didn't she defend him more when I gave her plenty of opportunity to.

this isnt something a scum would post imo, i hadnt seen it before and it makes me doubt it i was wrong all along and whether i just wasted a solid hour of my life

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 90#p148690 - i dont think i adressed this but g-man literally told me to vote bass, he even flipped me off!

what's left on her post history is the aether lynch which she really pursued, seems like town play tbh. i wish i could respond to whatever suspicions she has of me but i'm not sure what they are other than that last post i linked. i'm not sure what to think, her posts before day the bass lynch all read like scum and afterwards they all read like town, sigh

i'm leaning more towards g-man now. i'm not doing an iso outside rym ever again

#3493

if me and jay both make it to lylo i'm voting for him no matter what

#3494

G-Man wrote:
Spoiler: show

Sure. It's already in the list of games I wanna host.

#3495

sanmateo wrote:if me and jay both make it to lylo i'm voting for him no matter what

good way to encourage that result.

thank you for the hard work on splints. i think you make plenty of valid points about her, and i am in general agreement. before the Bass lynch, her content is very easy to read in a bad light. her part in the Bass lynch is the best thing going for her -- but we should hesitate before we give too much credit for that. because Bass played a great role in the BR lynch.

i'm not inclined to vote for you sanmateo. if you're acting then bravo. much like the last game you modded on RYM, in this late game scenario under the current circumstances i don't really trust my own analysis anymore. i am going to respect my gut, and my gut is telling me you're town.

i don't quite have a ProFiction to go after this time though. i am also leaning toward a G-Man vote, but i can absolutely see it being splints.

#3496

#3497

G-Man wrote:

they are points in your favor. do you think they are strong enough points to get you out of trouble?

#3498

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
sanmateo wrote:if me and jay both make it to lylo i'm voting for him no matter what
good way to encourage that result.

thank you for the hard work on splints. i think you make plenty of valid points about her, and i am in general agreement. before the Bass lynch, her content is very easy to read in a bad light. her part in the Bass lynch is the best thing going for her -- but we should hesitate before we give too much credit for that. because Bass played a great role in the BR lynch.

i'm not inclined to vote for you sanmateo. if you're acting then bravo. much like the last game you modded on RYM, in this late game scenario under the current circumstances i don't really trust my own analysis anymore. i am going to respect my gut, and my gut is telling me you're town.

i don't quite have a ProFiction to go after this time though. i am also leaning toward a G-Man vote, but i can absolutely see it being splints.

whats your read on young vompatti? i've the feel he's town and i guess whoever john nash is did too but

i dont think i would vote for him over g-man or splints

#3499

Still won't be around for several hours to do any serious analysis. Will get some done tonight. RIP DDL - it was very good fun playing with you, I really hope you do stick around at TS and it sounds like you are planning to which is good.

In a quick skim, I see JJ has some suspicion of me for DDL's death. Not sure where that's come from, JJ if you could elaborate so I have a target to aim at in defending that later it would be good. I didn't perceive DDL as coming after me, so it would be good to understand why that is your perception.

#3500

sanmateo wrote:whats your read on young vompatti? i've the feel he's town and i guess whoever john nash is did too but

i dont think i would vote for him over g-man or splints

when you speak his language he's usually a little more willing to interact. i like his pledge to vote G-Man into oblivion given the chance (as a town-tell for Vomps, not as a strategy). there's no way to have conviction about him, but i agree. i don't think i'll vote for him today. what makes you hesitant to vote him?

Who killed our talkative teddy??