Golden wrote:I love that G-Man resorted to a literal wifom meme.
[ENDGAME] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
I hope so too, but I did check in with him around the start point of this game and he did say he was very busy in RL so... I'm hoping it is just that. As noted, he did vanish from the last two games he played too... I am getting the feeling he really wants to play but is just finding he can't.Black Rock wrote:Has anyone heard from TH? I miss him and want to make sure he's alive and stuff.Golden wrote:I would personally feel more comfortable if G-Man's vote was on one of the absentees such as Gumshoe or Turnip Head.
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Oh, so scotty is one-upping G-Man now - an image saying 'I have no idea what I'm doing' that he fails to post correctly because he has no idea what he is doing.
(tip for the technically unsavvy Scotty - I always push 'preview' when I'm posting images or videos before pushing submit, in case I've stuffed it up).
(tip for the technically unsavvy Scotty - I always push 'preview' when I'm posting images or videos before pushing submit, in case I've stuffed it up).
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Heiots is lurking, she should sub in
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
You don't know how tempted I am to post a picture of myself with a bottle of wine in front of me. That or another video of me singing.Golden wrote:Oh, so scotty is one-upping G-Man now - an image saying 'I have no idea what I'm doing' that he fails to post correctly because he has no idea what he is doing.
(tip for the technically unsavvy Scotty - I always push 'preview' when I'm posting images or videos before pushing submit, in case I've stuffed it up).
Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
G-Man wrote:You don't know how tempted I am to post a picture of myself with a bottle of wine in front of me. That or another video of me singing.Golden wrote:Oh, so scotty is one-upping G-Man now - an image saying 'I have no idea what I'm doing' that he fails to post correctly because he has no idea what he is doing.
(tip for the technically unsavvy Scotty - I always push 'preview' when I'm posting images or videos before pushing submit, in case I've stuffed it up).
Epignosis wrote:I made an interesting discovery this afternoon.
I was helping my parents move some things, and came across their vinyl collection (not really large enough to be called a "collection," but there we are). My dad's big into classic rock and country, so there's some Boston, Doobie Brothers, Eagles, and that one Coven album with the imp playing the violin. My mom was more into folk and the golden oldies, so among hers I find John Denver, The Beach Boys, and a Lesley Gore 45 (bet you can guess which one).
Curiously, however, there was one record my parents both denied owning. Yet there it was.
The album in question was recorded by a Mr. E. P. Nosisberg between the years 1959 and 1961. The liner notes indicated that these sessions involved lesser known talents (but talents all the same) such as bassist Virgil Stanford Thompkins I, and percussionist Wilford Allen Varney.
Mom and dad didn't mind at all when I asked if I could take the record home and listen to it. They don't listen to much music anymore and don't even have a turntable these days. Given the nature of the songs listed on the sleeve, I thought it would be of interest to those who signed up here (or are thinking of signing up) if I held the mic up to my speakers, punched record, and let us all find out what this dusty relic had to offer.
The opening number is a familiar Gershwin tune, performed many times by no less than Billie Holiday and Nina Simone. Let's have a listen.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
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Well, that was an easier catch-up than expected. Thanks!
So my current understanding is that Gman doesnt expect to die this lynch. We dont know if someone else will though if thats accurate?
I guess we will find out soon enough.
So my current understanding is that Gman doesnt expect to die this lynch. We dont know if someone else will though if thats accurate?
I guess we will find out soon enough.
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Act One, Scene Five
ENTER G-MANG-MAN: You know why I had no address for three months? I stole a suit in Kansas City and I was jailed. I stole myself out of every good job since high school. And I never got anywhere because you blew me so full of hot air I could never stand taking orders from anybody! That's whose fault it is! It's goddamn time you heard that! I had to be boss big shot in two weeks, and I'm through with it! Willy! I ran down eleven flights with a pen in my hand today. And suddenly I stopped, you hear me? And in the middle of that office building, do you hear this? I stopped in the middle of that building and I saw - the sky. I saw the things that I love in the world. The work and the food and the time to sit and smoke. And I looked at the pen and said to myself, what the hell am I grabbing this for? Why am I trying to become what I don't want to be? What am I doing in an office, making a contemptuous, begging fool of myself, when all I want is out there, waiting for me the minute I say I know who I am! Why can't I say that, Willy? Pop! I'm a dime a dozen, and so are you! I am not a leader of men, Willy, and neither are you. You were never anything but a hard-working drummer who landed in the ash-can like all the rest of them! I'm one dollar an hour, Willy! I tried seven states and couldn't raise it! A buck an hour! Do you gather my meaning? I'm not bringing home any prizes any more, and you're going to stop waiting for me to bring them home! Pop, I'm nothing! I'm nothing, Pop. Can't you understand that? There's no spite in it any more. I'm just what I am, that's all. Will you let me go, for Christ's sake? Will you take that phoney dream and burn it before something happens?
ENTER ENSEMBLE
THE ENSEMBLE HANGS G-MAN
G-Man has been lynched. He was Cats.
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Re: BoB Mafia Polls
Why is no one dying? (votes are changeable)
Poll ended at Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:43 pm
Bass The Clever
0
No votes
FZ.
0
No votes
Black Rock
0
No votes
Bullzeye
1
Bullzeye (19) 5%
Cobalt
0
No votes
Devin
0
No votes
DFaraday
0
No votes
Canucklehead
0
No votes
DREAM
0
No votes
Fingersplints
0
No votes
Golden
0
No votes
Gumshoe
2
Scotty (3), Sloonei (22) 9%
Hedgeowl
0
No votes
MetalMarsh89
1
Cobalt (15) 5%
Epignosis 2.0
0
No votes
Neverwhere
0
No votes
nijuukyugou
0
No votes
Nutella
0
No votes
Scotty
0
No votes
sig
0
No votes
Sloonei
0
No votes
Timmer
0
No votes
TinyBubbles
2
Hedgeowl (18), G-Man (21) 9%
Turnip Head
1
Metalmarsh89 (2) 5%
G Man
13
Golden (4), Canucklehead (5), Black Rock (6), DFaraday (8), timmer (9), nutella (10), fingersplints (11), Epignosis (12), FZ. (13), Neverwhere (14), TinyBubbles (16), nijuukyugou (17), Bass_the_Clever (20) 59%
Dom (host / non)
2
Dom (1), juliets (7) 9%
Total votes : 22
Poll ended at Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:43 pm
Bass The Clever
0
No votes
FZ.
0
No votes
Black Rock
0
No votes
Bullzeye
1
Bullzeye (19) 5%
Cobalt
0
No votes
Devin
0
No votes
DFaraday
0
No votes
Canucklehead
0
No votes
DREAM
0
No votes
Fingersplints
0
No votes
Golden
0
No votes
Gumshoe
2
Scotty (3), Sloonei (22) 9%
Hedgeowl
0
No votes
MetalMarsh89
1
Cobalt (15) 5%
Epignosis 2.0
0
No votes
Neverwhere
0
No votes
nijuukyugou
0
No votes
Nutella
0
No votes
Scotty
0
No votes
sig
0
No votes
Sloonei
0
No votes
Timmer
0
No votes
TinyBubbles
2
Hedgeowl (18), G-Man (21) 9%
Turnip Head
1
Metalmarsh89 (2) 5%
G Man
13
Golden (4), Canucklehead (5), Black Rock (6), DFaraday (8), timmer (9), nutella (10), fingersplints (11), Epignosis (12), FZ. (13), Neverwhere (14), TinyBubbles (16), nijuukyugou (17), Bass_the_Clever (20) 59%
Dom (host / non)
2
Dom (1), juliets (7) 9%
Total votes : 22
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Without any context, "He was Cats" is one of the most delightful sentences I've ever seen. also woohoo good job etc.
Hello friends. I've not been idle in my silence. Be prepared for some massive posts.
Hello friends. I've not been idle in my silence. Be prepared for some massive posts.
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Also, sorry G-man. You got put into an awful situation here and I feel your pain. Thanks for having fun with it, at least, I hope.
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Lol Gman giant troll. Just like Cats. Wow we're doing terrific. Can we go perfect?
Welcome back, Sloonei!
Also, nights are by far the best time for discussion, what with this silencing thing on big talkers.
Welcome back, Sloonei!
Also, nights are by far the best time for discussion, what with this silencing thing on big talkers.
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Also I love that speech, Dom. It was my college audition monologue, that.
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
Both scum teams are now down to 2 members apiece, barring possible recruitment
Lloyd Webber – Baddie Team 1 (4 Roles)
Win Condition: Outnumber the civilians and eliminate Team Wildhorn and any other opposition, if it exists.
Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber
The Phantom of the Opera – The Phantom of the Opera is there, inside my mind.
Starlight Express - Starlight express, answer me yes
Cats - Memory, all alone in the moonlight
Wildhorn – Baddie Team 2 (3 Roles)
Win Condition: Outnumber the civilians and eliminate Team Lloyd Weber and any other opposition, if it exists.
Frank Wildhorn
Jekyll & Hyde - If I could reach you, if I could guide and teach you
Bonnie and Clyde – I’d rather breathe in life than dusty air.
Independents (4 Roles)
Andrew Lippa – And we were having a wild, wild party!
Stephen Schwartz – I’ve gotta be someone who lives all of his life in superlatives.
Oscar Hammerstein II – Some enchanted evening, you may find a stranger.
Richard Rodgers –If I loved you, time and again, I would try to say all I'd want you to know
Lloyd Webber – Baddie Team 1 (4 Roles)
Win Condition: Outnumber the civilians and eliminate Team Wildhorn and any other opposition, if it exists.
Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber
The Phantom of the Opera – The Phantom of the Opera is there, inside my mind.
Starlight Express - Starlight express, answer me yes
Cats - Memory, all alone in the moonlight
Wildhorn – Baddie Team 2 (3 Roles)
Win Condition: Outnumber the civilians and eliminate Team Lloyd Weber and any other opposition, if it exists.
Frank Wildhorn
Jekyll & Hyde - If I could reach you, if I could guide and teach you
Bonnie and Clyde – I’d rather breathe in life than dusty air.
Independents (4 Roles)
Andrew Lippa – And we were having a wild, wild party!
Stephen Schwartz – I’ve gotta be someone who lives all of his life in superlatives.
Oscar Hammerstein II – Some enchanted evening, you may find a stranger.
Richard Rodgers –If I loved you, time and again, I would try to say all I'd want you to know
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
I've spent a big chunk of the last two days compiling my reads on every player in the game, going down the list alphabetically. I got done with nijuu right before the deadline but now my momentum has kinda fallen off and I need to take a bit of a break, which stinks because Nutella is up next and she was one of my top suspects going into this (hence the vote I put on her early in the day). I'll get back to her later, as well as Scotty, timmer, TinyBubbles, and Turnip Head. Everyone else is done. I'm gonna break it up into a few posts because I feel like having one massively long post would be unappealing and everyone would hate me even more.
I do not expect anyone to read all of this (we're approaching 40 pages in my Word doc here), but I would at least hope that you all read what I have to say about yourselves, and maybe a few of your suspects/people you've been having trouble reading. My hope with this exercise is to generate as much content and discussion as we can all manage. So um:
Bass
I’ve offered the same analysis of Bass a couple of times already with regards to his early play, but to reiterate: I initially had him a town read because he seemed much more involved in the game than he did the one other time I’ve played with him (Economics), a game in which he was scum. His activity can be seen in posts like the following:In these posts he is consistently asking questions which seem to be clearly motivated toward catching bad guys, even if he’s not providing a whole lot of his own original content. I’ve got no problem with that in an early game situation. That last post in particular has been used by splints (and possibly others, but I don’t remember) in a case against Bass because it looks like he was unwilling to commit to any possible reads on LC at the time. But I saw the post as Bass merely framing his own early suspicions in the forms of questions because, I dunno, that’s just what he was doing.
However, since the early activity Bass has fallen completely off the radar and I’ve been forced to second guess my entire read, and I’ve been growing increasingly wary of him. Splints’ interpretation of that post makes more sense to me now than it originally did. I’ve seen splints and a few others point to this post as being particularly fishy:
Something that stands out to me now on my most recent reread of Bass’s posts is that he hardly makes any reference to Long Con on Day 1, but does spend a good deal of time discussing SVS and Cobalt. On Day 2 he starts to say there’s something suspicious about LC, but he doesn’t know what it is. In this post here, he spends an awful long time essentially saying nothing other than that he doesn’t know how to read Long Con. I don’t necessarily see this as an indication that they’re scum partners, though I’m also not ruling out the possibility, rather I have an easier time seeing this as potentially being two scum players on opposite teams. Bass, as scum, was trying to fabricate a read on a player (LC) who was widely suspected to give himself reason to hop on the bandwagon when it inevitably started to form later on.
Bass threw a self-vote on himself the other day, citing internet trouble as his reason for doing so. I don’t know what to make of this. I have a tough time seeing a scum being so quick to resign his fate/pull a gambit like that, but then maybe either one of those things is the case. Let’s start circling the endless drain of WIFOM.
Bass responded to the accusation that all of his suspicions have just been parroted from other people here:It’s not a particularly strong defense, but if he’s being honest I don’t know how much else he could say. However, his posts since Day 1 have been very scant and I’m going to need to start seeing a lot more content from Bass until I can label him as anything close to a town read.
Questions for Bass: Recently you’ve named Black Rock and Nutella as suspects. How do you feel about those cases now? And who else are you suspicious of beside them? Give me some Gun-to-head reads if you can’t come up with anyone else.
Birdwithteeth/FZ.
Birdwithteeth’s post history is a null read. I am leaning slightly town on FZ’s posts. Her second post after joining the game immediately suggests she made a sincere effort to get caught up and start tossing around accusations as quickly as she could, which I like. Then she promptly called out G-man for his picture posts and continued asking solid questions and engaging directly in discussion:
She does kind of linger on the LC/Cobalt thing for a bit, but that’s not a hugely alarming thing to me. It was a major part of the Day 1 proceedings and a lot of it was unclear because of the way it played out, so FZ has plenty of reason to be asking these questions.
This is one of the few posts in FZ’s history that I could see somebody pointing to as suspicious, but I would not agree. She mentions a theory that I was possibly recruited by one of the scum teams on the night I was targeted to be killed, which could be seen as an effort to get me, the “most trusted” player, lynched. But I see as honest skepticism, as I mentioned earlier, and like that FZ was right on top of it.
Another post that I found mildly suspicious:She’s (admittedly) hesitant to hop on board the LC wagon. This sort of thing can’t possibly be overlooked in the aftermath of a scum lynch, but as it’s really the only thing in here that has me even mildly suspicious of FZ, and because she has clearly stated reasons for her hesitance that seem perfectly in line with her general style of play in this game, I am not too too worried about it right now.
Her whole post history looks like that of a very attentive and inquisitive townie. In the interest of conserving precious space, I’ll refrain from drawing out too many posts from her. Instead, if anyone wants to look into it themselves, I’d say just look at her posts and notice the high volume of direct and open questions she’s been asking. It reminds me a lot of a certain paprika on Day 1. I like everything about FZ’s post history and if she’s scum she’s playing a glorious game right now.
So far some of her stronger suspicious have been G-man, of course, along with fingersplints, nutella, and maybe Epignosis, and has also stated that she does not see the cases against Bass or BR, as well as a lot of other observations. I’d like to see some updated reads from FZ, as it seems there’s not been much progress today with everyone just dumping their votes on G-man.
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Black Rock
This is BR’s first substantial post and there’s quite a bit here to dissect. She has received some attention for that first bit about forgetting to submit a post she’d written up and whatnot. I do not find that in itself suspicious, but what I do not like is the way she seems to have felt the need to excuse herself for lack of participation. I often feel that preemptive defensiveness like that is a scumtell, but it could just be a genuine apology. She then dives into sharing a bunch of reads, which is nice and makes the supposed apology seem more sincere, at least.
- “Would have voted for Cobalt”
- Bass seems different, worth watching
- LC was telling the truth about his thing, but offers nothing about a read on him (I’m generally giving BR a pass when it comes to LC, I must say)
- Wants to look more closely at/feeling vaguely suspicious of Hedgeowl, Nutella, Turnip Head
When I asked her for suspects later, the names she mentioned were Cobalt and Bass:These cases are both believable and I see no reason to believe that they’re fabricated in any way, though there’s no reason to give a player a pass for actively scum hunting in this game, as I’ve mentioned a few times already, because even the baddies are trying to catch baddies. It could be nitpicking, but I am a bit curious as to why her list suddenly became narrower in this post. She makes no mention of Turnip Head, for instance, who she seemed to be gunning for a little bit early on.
More reads! G-man and Bass seem to be her top two suspects, and she’s been on Bass more than anyone from the very beginning. I could go either way on this, but I’m beginning to feel like there’s something to her case. I’d prefer to lynch Bass before Black Rock, if we’re going to go after either of them.
Still hounding the silent (and apparently absent) Turnip Head, and she also indirectly suggests she’s got a town read on splints, as well as a neutral read on Golden.
Other than that, she’s made a number of posts getting on Metalmarsh’s back for not being active enough this game, which I like as it suggests (to me) that she is committed to catching scum and will prod anyone who she perceives to be not working hard enough at it. That said, she hasn’t contributed a ton of posts yet, and I’d like to hear a lot more from her. She’s a neutral read for now. I’d like to know who her next suspect is after Bass (assuming G-man is dead by the time I get to post this).
So that’s my question for BR. Who’s your #2 suspect? And #s 3,4,5,etc. if you feel like going that far.
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Bullzeye
Null/Neutral read. I'm glad he's returned to us and look forward to hearing from him eventually.
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Cobalt
Cobalt’s Day 1 & 2 behavior made him everyone’s top suspect, but then he threw off most of the suspicion by surviving the lynch. That he was ultimately right about Long Con suggests that the two of them were at least not teammates, though that doesn’t really say anything about Cobalt’s alignment. I don’t think the role he seems to have would belong to a scum player, so that has me feeling pretty decent about him, though I could definitely see an Indie role with lynch protection.
Since he survived that lynch, however, he’s offered us next to nothing and has seemed almost defiant in his refusal to play the game. The only non-LC read he’s offered was this completely vague scum read on Black Rock (as well as occasionally referring to me as “scumnei”):Other than that, he’s continually promised us more content but has thus far failed to deliver.
I don’t know where to place Cobalt on my rainbow. He’s a moderate not-scum read, but I could see him being either Indie or town right now.
My question for Cobalt is: Can you tell us anything?
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Devin the Omniscient
Has not posted since Day 1. Here’s my earlier analysis, which still stands:
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DFaraday
I am feeling less good about DFaraday than I was in my earlier analysis. I initially brushed him off as a slight town read because he at least seemed like he was trying to make contributions with all of his posts, but as I look back I see a lot of behavior that is easy for scum to fake.This is an early example, which may be an excuse, but none of the reads he expresses here are really that strong at all. They’re all fairly easy things that somebody could have picked up just glancing at the thread.
Same thing, and this time he also mentions Bubbles. I should not keep accusing anyone who accuses her, but I can’t help but be wary of anyone who hopped on that case against her simply because of how easy it was to do. In DFaraday’s defense, he does back off the Bubbles case in this post, and I like the rest of what he says there, though it remains not-entirely-convincing. To reiterate, there’s nothing wrong with these posts if DFaraday is a townie. My issue with them is that a lot of his reads and the content of his posts are very easy things to fake for a scum player.
Gives a town read on Long Con and puts a vote on TinyBubbles. Neither of these things look good on the surface, but they’re not entirely unbelievable things for a townie to do. He would later put his vote on G-man instead of Bubbles, and has put it back on him today (now yesterday), so there’s not really any new content to dig through, which is concerning.
DFaraday has moved down on my list and is now a very slight scum read. His 24 posts don’t contain as much content as I had originally thought and there’s nothing that strongly indicates townie behavior in here.
Question for DFaraday: I’ve seen you mention fingersplints in a couple of posts. What is your read on her? Could you elaborate? Also any other reads you have at this time would be helpful.
I do not expect anyone to read all of this (we're approaching 40 pages in my Word doc here), but I would at least hope that you all read what I have to say about yourselves, and maybe a few of your suspects/people you've been having trouble reading. My hope with this exercise is to generate as much content and discussion as we can all manage. So um:
Bass
I’ve offered the same analysis of Bass a couple of times already with regards to his early play, but to reiterate: I initially had him a town read because he seemed much more involved in the game than he did the one other time I’ve played with him (Economics), a game in which he was scum. His activity can be seen in posts like the following:
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However, since the early activity Bass has fallen completely off the radar and I’ve been forced to second guess my entire read, and I’ve been growing increasingly wary of him. Splints’ interpretation of that post makes more sense to me now than it originally did. I’ve seen splints and a few others point to this post as being particularly fishy:
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This newfound suspicion of BR comes shortly after BR herself expressed suspicion in Bass. If you look at it sequentially in Bass’s post history it reads as an explicit OMGUS. He makes no mention of BR, that I’ve noticed, in any posts prior to her stating suspicion of him, and then she’s suddenly someone to “keep an eye on.” I would hesitate to call this scummy, however, as I have often seen a town player grow suspicious of somebody else for suspecting them, and I think it can often be a successful line of casing. We’ll see how the read progresses from here.Bass_the_Clever wrote:I think Black Rock has been super quiet and said just enough just to get by. I will be keeping my eye on her.Golden wrote:I'd really like to get a few people's views on Black Rock.
Bass threw a self-vote on himself the other day, citing internet trouble as his reason for doing so. I don’t know what to make of this. I have a tough time seeing a scum being so quick to resign his fate/pull a gambit like that, but then maybe either one of those things is the case. Let’s start circling the endless drain of WIFOM.
Bass responded to the accusation that all of his suspicions have just been parroted from other people here:
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Questions for Bass: Recently you’ve named Black Rock and Nutella as suspects. How do you feel about those cases now? And who else are you suspicious of beside them? Give me some Gun-to-head reads if you can’t come up with anyone else.
Birdwithteeth/FZ.
Birdwithteeth’s post history is a null read. I am leaning slightly town on FZ’s posts. Her second post after joining the game immediately suggests she made a sincere effort to get caught up and start tossing around accusations as quickly as she could, which I like. Then she promptly called out G-man for his picture posts and continued asking solid questions and engaging directly in discussion:
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Her whole post history looks like that of a very attentive and inquisitive townie. In the interest of conserving precious space, I’ll refrain from drawing out too many posts from her. Instead, if anyone wants to look into it themselves, I’d say just look at her posts and notice the high volume of direct and open questions she’s been asking. It reminds me a lot of a certain paprika on Day 1. I like everything about FZ’s post history and if she’s scum she’s playing a glorious game right now.
So far some of her stronger suspicious have been G-man, of course, along with fingersplints, nutella, and maybe Epignosis, and has also stated that she does not see the cases against Bass or BR, as well as a lot of other observations. I’d like to see some updated reads from FZ, as it seems there’s not been much progress today with everyone just dumping their votes on G-man.
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Black Rock
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- “Would have voted for Cobalt”
- Bass seems different, worth watching
- LC was telling the truth about his thing, but offers nothing about a read on him (I’m generally giving BR a pass when it comes to LC, I must say)
- Wants to look more closely at/feeling vaguely suspicious of Hedgeowl, Nutella, Turnip Head
When I asked her for suspects later, the names she mentioned were Cobalt and Bass:
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Still hounding the silent (and apparently absent) Turnip Head, and she also indirectly suggests she’s got a town read on splints, as well as a neutral read on Golden.
Other than that, she’s made a number of posts getting on Metalmarsh’s back for not being active enough this game, which I like as it suggests (to me) that she is committed to catching scum and will prod anyone who she perceives to be not working hard enough at it. That said, she hasn’t contributed a ton of posts yet, and I’d like to hear a lot more from her. She’s a neutral read for now. I’d like to know who her next suspect is after Bass (assuming G-man is dead by the time I get to post this).
So that’s my question for BR. Who’s your #2 suspect? And #s 3,4,5,etc. if you feel like going that far.
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Bullzeye
Null/Neutral read. I'm glad he's returned to us and look forward to hearing from him eventually.
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Cobalt
Cobalt’s Day 1 & 2 behavior made him everyone’s top suspect, but then he threw off most of the suspicion by surviving the lynch. That he was ultimately right about Long Con suggests that the two of them were at least not teammates, though that doesn’t really say anything about Cobalt’s alignment. I don’t think the role he seems to have would belong to a scum player, so that has me feeling pretty decent about him, though I could definitely see an Indie role with lynch protection.
Since he survived that lynch, however, he’s offered us next to nothing and has seemed almost defiant in his refusal to play the game. The only non-LC read he’s offered was this completely vague scum read on Black Rock (as well as occasionally referring to me as “scumnei”):
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I don’t know where to place Cobalt on my rainbow. He’s a moderate not-scum read, but I could see him being either Indie or town right now.
My question for Cobalt is: Can you tell us anything?
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Devin the Omniscient
Has not posted since Day 1. Here’s my earlier analysis, which still stands:
Neutral.”Sloonei” wrote: Devin
I was surprised to see he has 20 posts, but they're all from early in the game (his latest post is on page 14). I recall MP passing along an excuse for absence from him, but that's not gonna exonerate him by any means. Most of his posts center around the "Day 1 truce" thing which he started. I do not take his posts seriously here, and it's pretty clear he was joking. I get no indication about his alignment in these early posts, but I thought the ease and composure with which he explained himself looked good (or at least better than MP). This is the closest thing he's made to a substantive post in this game, but it's so early and so preliminary that I can't really make anything of it. Definitely need Devin to start contributing soon.
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DFaraday
I am feeling less good about DFaraday than I was in my earlier analysis. I initially brushed him off as a slight town read because he at least seemed like he was trying to make contributions with all of his posts, but as I look back I see a lot of behavior that is easy for scum to fake.
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DFaraday has moved down on my list and is now a very slight scum read. His 24 posts don’t contain as much content as I had originally thought and there’s nothing that strongly indicates townie behavior in here.
Question for DFaraday: I’ve seen you mention fingersplints in a couple of posts. What is your read on her? Could you elaborate? Also any other reads you have at this time would be helpful.
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
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I’ve had Canuck as a moderate town read since she entered the game and made her first big post. She seemed like one of the only players who was willing to look beyond the main couple of suspects the first couple of days and her reads seemed honest and refreshing.
She rejected my efforts to get everyone to vote early on Day 3 when votes were changeable , and I liked her explanation here:My strategy was/is just a characteristic of the community I come from, and her rejection of it is similarly a reflection of the style she’s used to (in this community, I assume). While I wholeheartedly disagree with her , I can at least understand why Canuck and others feel so different than I do on things like this. Her answers here seem like honest ones.
Some Day 2 reads:None of these are strong reads, but that’s kind of the point of the post. She’s expressing an intent to look more closely at Black Rock, Hedgeowl, TinyBubbles, Turnup Head, Bullzeye, and Bass. I’d like to know what, if anything, has become of these efforts.
But then this post looks bad all around, on the surface. Golden is more scummy than Long Con? Even though we’ve since lynched Long Con and found out he was scum, I’d like an explanation from Canucklehead on this one. Why is/was Golden a suspect, and why was Long Con a civ read?
And then she votes for TinyBubbles because Bubbles had already voted for herself. I expressed my dislike for this bandwagon/gameplay at the time and it still stands. However, this does not seem at all inconsistent with Canuck’s general behavior in the thread, which has seemed otherwise to be pretty strongly town to me.
Solid analysis of the LC/Golden feud. I also like that she’s keeping such a level head about all this. I would think scum would try to take a stance and pounce on at least one of the two of them and push for a lynch, but Canuck seemed to be one of the few people willing to listen and dissect the whole exchange with an open mind. More townie points for the Canadian.
Canucklehead remains a fairly strong town read to me, but I’d like to hear more from her. After G-man is lynched, who do you think you’ll be voting for next/tomorrow? Why?
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fingersplints
splints has a fairly substantial 36 posts at the time I am typing this, but she’s about as neutral as they come. She’s offered a few reads (most notably on Bass) but nothing too extensive.
I can see where FZ was coming from was coming from with regards to splints’ vote for sig, but I also can see what appears to be a clear line of thought from splints leading up to the vote.
There are a few of the classic telltale signs of scumminess in splints’ posts, like waffling/fence-sitting, as seen in posts like these:
I’ve had Canuck as a moderate town read since she entered the game and made her first big post. She seemed like one of the only players who was willing to look beyond the main couple of suspects the first couple of days and her reads seemed honest and refreshing.
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And then she votes for TinyBubbles because Bubbles had already voted for herself. I expressed my dislike for this bandwagon/gameplay at the time and it still stands. However, this does not seem at all inconsistent with Canuck’s general behavior in the thread, which has seemed otherwise to be pretty strongly town to me.
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splints has a fairly substantial 36 posts at the time I am typing this, but she’s about as neutral as they come. She’s offered a few reads (most notably on Bass) but nothing too extensive.
I can see where FZ was coming from was coming from with regards to splints’ vote for sig, but I also can see what appears to be a clear line of thought from splints leading up to the vote.
There are a few of the classic telltale signs of scumminess in splints’ posts, like waffling/fence-sitting, as seen in posts like these:
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
i do not know why there is an angry taunting face next to dragonucklehead's name.
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Gumshoe
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Hedgeowl
I thought Hedgeowl defended and explained herself well in response to the early suspicion she received for her “bandwagon” comment. I think I’ve said this like 18 times now, but for the sake of being thorough, here’s the posts I liked:These are reasonable and consistent explanations of her behavior. I buy what she’s saying about being wary of bandwagons and not immediately seeing the connection others were making because, frankly, I wouldn’t have reached any of the conclusions that others were coming to about her posts. This is not to say any of this makes her a town read, but it certainly helps her case that she was able to respond positively to some early heat.
Some early reads:
Has not posted since my previous case, so it still stands:
I’ll add that Gumshoe is probably my strongest gut scum read. There’s nothing more substantial to this, just a feeling. I hope Gumshoe is well and is able to return to this game at some point.”Sloonei” wrote: Gumshoe was my first public suspect because of this Day 0 post and I still feel a little odd about it (though I think he defended himself well against it) as well as his frequent jokes about being Mafia, which gave me the impression of scum trying to compensate for their own scuminess by making it too obvious, in a way.
On the reread, this early post is also catching my attention:It's that bit I've highlighted that's got me most worried. That paragraph reads like scum trying to preemptively snuff any attacks that could be turned against them as a result of this post, like a big blanket of "you can't suspect me", even for something that is incredibly early.Spoiler: show
Others have noted that Gumshoe has been completely absent for a while now. I at first suspected that Gumshoe was posting less frequently for much of Day 1 after I had put some suspicion on him because he really was scum and had drawn some unwanted attention right away, but with this prolonged absence, that suspicion has kind of dissolved. I hope Gumshoe is alright and will show back up full of posts soon. Until then, he's a slight scum read from me.
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Hedgeowl
I thought Hedgeowl defended and explained herself well in response to the early suspicion she received for her “bandwagon” comment. I think I’ve said this like 18 times now, but for the sake of being thorough, here’s the posts I liked:
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
Neverwhere
I mentioned Neverwhere as a suspect earlier and that was mostly due to what I perceived as her being a fairly quiet player with the appearance of being around the thread more than she was letting on. I’ve since cooled off a bit on that suspicion, though this will be the first time in a while that I’ve looked closely at her posts, so we’ll see.Her first game-relevant post supports Turnip Head’s early case against Hedgeowl without really offering anything new, and she also gives a civ read to Gumshoe, again without offering any reasons in support of herself. These are both early, weak reads and it’s not easy to really make anything of them yet.
This post… I’m sorry, Neverwhere, but I can’t see anything but scumminess in here. The green OT bit is her giving herself a pass from being totally active and busy in the thread (“I’m usually a realtively quiet player”), and then her read on Hedgeowl is just full of waffles. “She’s on my radar but I dunno maybe she’s good, but also maybe she’s not, but maybe, or not.” And SVS and Cobalt were on everyone’s radar on Day 1.
I like this post a lot better, though. For one, she shows restraint on the super easy TinyBubbles case. The Cobalt suspicion is one that was shared by pretty much everyone and this isn’t a particularly strong read she’s offering, but it’s not inconsistent with the rest of her posts, and she also expresses some reasonable early doubt about Golden.
Neverwhere you’re making me dizzy! Now I feel bad about this post. “I would not do x if I was mafia” statements always set off a bunch of alarms for me, and one of those is stuck right there in the heart of this post.
Pounces on the Black Rock “slip up” I pointed out. I really don’t like the way this post is framed. The “also” suggests this was something Neverwhere would have been previously aware and suspicious of, and yet she made no mention of it herself until I brought it up, and when I did it was more to get a reaction out of BR and others (like this one), because, as everyone else was quick to point out, it’s not really a true slip up in the context of the post. That Neverwhere seemed so willing to jump on this case does not look good for her. Then she backtracks off it a lot in this post:
I can sort of buy what she says here and it seems like a decent defense. But the way she’s so quick to back down from the “slip up” thing could easily be seen as scum trying to dance around an obvious point against her.
Interesting theory about corruption, Neverwhere. Someone, maybe even me, should go look at where the theories about possible corruption were at this point in the thread. I don’t remember there being any, but I could be wrong.
I don’t like that she’s given such a broad reason to want to lynch Cobalt here. Seems like she’s just covering all her bases with her Cobalt suspicion with the “even if he’s civ he’s not being helpful” comment.
She also expresses suspicion of TinyBubbles here, but in her defense it’s for different reasons than most. However, she’s still on the Bubbles wagon, which I continue to be wary of.Hmm… This vote feels very opportunistic and I do not like it. She then expresses some vague suspicion G-man, which she waffles on a bit, but it has the feel of a preliminary read anyway. I’ll see how this progresses.
And now she’s backed off of her Bubbles suspicion. I’d like Neverwhere to explain why she changed her mind here about Bubbles. Which reactions seemed sincere, and why were they strong enough to get you to change your read completely?
Just to follow up on the previously alluded-to G-man suspicion. Solid, but this post doesn’t really tell me anything about Neverwhere’s alignment.
Oh cool, I’m a town read. And I like that rhetorical question, neverwhere. You should have answered it yourself right away .
I was curious to see how the corruption speculation would play out in the thread, and Neverwhere’s one of the few people who picked up on it right away. She doesn’t express suspicion of me being corrupted, as FZ does, but she still acknowledges it as something to be suspicious of without really offering anything new, just leaving it open.
However she does continue to call me a civ read in her next post, suggesting she’s not trying to spin the corruption angle against me. I also like how she pursued me after I mentioned her as a suspect. That’s where my suspicion started to ease up. As soon as I mentioned her name she started expressing interest in hearing what I had to say, which is nice. I’ve finally got around to doing it, and I hope she’s able to respond.
One observation I’m making as I get further into Neverwhere’s posts is that they seem to be getting stronger as the game progresses. I don’t know anything about Neverwhere as a player, but I’ve gathered that this is her first game playing with most of us. How many games have you played overall, Neverwhere?
For now I think I’m gonna put a slight scum read on Neverwhere, noting that this is an improvement from where she was earlier in the game.
Questions for Neverwhere: What do you think of TinyBubbles now, and what changed your mind about her earlier? You also mentioned you’re suspicious of Nutella in your most recent post. Care to elaborate? And as always, any reads you’ve got on anyone are useful.
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ninjujaja
I’ve been wanting to call Blooper a suspect pretty much all game but I have not been able to. A lot of her posts have read as fairly safe, but I’m not exactly picking up any hints of dishonest or deceit either, and I remember thinking a few of her observations were pretty solid. Let us see.I like this as an early post. She offers a number of definitive reads, a few of which I agreed with at the time and nothing in here feels like she is laboring for content. She seems to be keeping an open mind about the game and is at least trying to keep an eye on a number of people at once. Dig it.
I continue to be wary of anyone who provides an unprompted excuse for their lack of participation, but other than that I dig this post again from ninja for many of the same reasons as before. Her LC vote does seem contrived in any way and does not look like an attempt to bus a teammate. More townie points for Blooper from this post.
I had forgotten about her Day 1 “make things interesting” vote comment. It still hasn’t really been explained and I never saw any evidence of her using any of those “good reactions” she garnered from it. If she could give some evidence of this I’d be happy.
There’s nothing that I can point to in Blooper’s post history that I find scummy. This is ridiculous and I’m very frustrated with you, nijfijaijf! I even managed to find reasons to suspect Golden.Ugh.
That said, if there is a reason to suspect her, it’s because of that odd behavior sig had toward her before he was lynched, where he seemed really desperate to put some kind of a read on her but never really expressed anything too clearly. Also, the immaculate status of her posts. They’re too clean. Surely she’s got something to hide. Uh
Thoughts, niju? I’m now in agreement with the others who’ve said you’re difficult to read. If you’re scum then I’m utterly baffled right now. Town read. What just happened?
I mentioned Neverwhere as a suspect earlier and that was mostly due to what I perceived as her being a fairly quiet player with the appearance of being around the thread more than she was letting on. I’ve since cooled off a bit on that suspicion, though this will be the first time in a while that I’ve looked closely at her posts, so we’ll see.
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She also expresses suspicion of TinyBubbles here, but in her defense it’s for different reasons than most. However, she’s still on the Bubbles wagon, which I continue to be wary of.
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However she does continue to call me a civ read in her next post, suggesting she’s not trying to spin the corruption angle against me. I also like how she pursued me after I mentioned her as a suspect. That’s where my suspicion started to ease up. As soon as I mentioned her name she started expressing interest in hearing what I had to say, which is nice. I’ve finally got around to doing it, and I hope she’s able to respond.
One observation I’m making as I get further into Neverwhere’s posts is that they seem to be getting stronger as the game progresses. I don’t know anything about Neverwhere as a player, but I’ve gathered that this is her first game playing with most of us. How many games have you played overall, Neverwhere?
For now I think I’m gonna put a slight scum read on Neverwhere, noting that this is an improvement from where she was earlier in the game.
Questions for Neverwhere: What do you think of TinyBubbles now, and what changed your mind about her earlier? You also mentioned you’re suspicious of Nutella in your most recent post. Care to elaborate? And as always, any reads you’ve got on anyone are useful.
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ninjujaja
I’ve been wanting to call Blooper a suspect pretty much all game but I have not been able to. A lot of her posts have read as fairly safe, but I’m not exactly picking up any hints of dishonest or deceit either, and I remember thinking a few of her observations were pretty solid. Let us see.
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There’s nothing that I can point to in Blooper’s post history that I find scummy. This is ridiculous and I’m very frustrated with you, nijfijaijf! I even managed to find reasons to suspect Golden.Ugh.
That said, if there is a reason to suspect her, it’s because of that odd behavior sig had toward her before he was lynched, where he seemed really desperate to put some kind of a read on her but never really expressed anything too clearly. Also, the immaculate status of her posts. They’re too clean. Surely she’s got something to hide. Uh
Thoughts, niju? I’m now in agreement with the others who’ve said you’re difficult to read. If you’re scum then I’m utterly baffled right now. Town read. What just happened?
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
And now for the colorful abridged version. For reference:
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italics used to denote people who I've not ISO'd yet.
I've also not yet factored in interactions with G-man/Gamerguy and new developments.
forgive me if i missed anyone.
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
I'll stop saying things now. I apologize for this page.
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
I'm also going to do a rainbow today. I just wanted G-Man to be lynched before I did it.
By the way G-Man, I echo what others have said. Thanks for making the game fun, even when you were completely rumbled from the moment you stepped into the game. You really handled that like a pro, and it only makes me have that much more respect for you (as though I needed to have any more after the way you handled economics and biblical as well). Truly, I would sign up for any game where you were playing.
By the way G-Man, I echo what others have said. Thanks for making the game fun, even when you were completely rumbled from the moment you stepped into the game. You really handled that like a pro, and it only makes me have that much more respect for you (as though I needed to have any more after the way you handled economics and biblical as well). Truly, I would sign up for any game where you were playing.
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
I am entertained.G-Man wrote:
Are you happy now?
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Great result!! Almost had me fooled there with that trolling. A very notorious cat.
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
@Sloonei - to questions you raised for me.
I do not think I'm playing differently to how I'd usually play as civilian. I'm simply very aware that people do and have made meta-based arguments against me incorrectly, and that they may perceive me differently from game to game. And I'm aware that in the games I've played with Neverwhere, I've very heavily led the thread as a civilian, whereas at the time I said that to Neverwhere I don't think that was true in this game (I actually think it's true now).
As to me theorising a Bubbles/lc/gman/sig team - I was wrong, but we've lynched three of them and they are all bad, so that's not so bad is it? I personally don't think it is a bit of a reach to formulate entire scum teams, and the reason why is because that is always the way I think about the game. I look for a 'theory of the game' and if it feels really strong to me I'll post it. On that day it did.
As for nutella - I think I have been reasonably defensive of her so far, but it's simply because of the number of different people who have managed to say 'she feels bad' but not one person has actually made a case on her that I can understand or see, I just don't see the case. But, I do think that because several people are seeing it, it's time for me to stop working off vibes and read her back.
I expressed my thoughts towards your votes because I assumed you had similar reasons for voting to what mine were for Epignosis the day before. I was surprised by your change of vote - but I do not believe in picking up on and pushing the suspicions of someone who is silenced when they can't speak for themselves. I would have been horrified if Epi had been lynched while I was silenced because I voted for him and others picked it up and ran with it without me even being able to give context as to why. Because my context as to why I voted for epi had literally nothing to do with who I actually was suspicious of.
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I do not think I'm playing differently to how I'd usually play as civilian. I'm simply very aware that people do and have made meta-based arguments against me incorrectly, and that they may perceive me differently from game to game. And I'm aware that in the games I've played with Neverwhere, I've very heavily led the thread as a civilian, whereas at the time I said that to Neverwhere I don't think that was true in this game (I actually think it's true now).
As to me theorising a Bubbles/lc/gman/sig team - I was wrong, but we've lynched three of them and they are all bad, so that's not so bad is it? I personally don't think it is a bit of a reach to formulate entire scum teams, and the reason why is because that is always the way I think about the game. I look for a 'theory of the game' and if it feels really strong to me I'll post it. On that day it did.
As for nutella - I think I have been reasonably defensive of her so far, but it's simply because of the number of different people who have managed to say 'she feels bad' but not one person has actually made a case on her that I can understand or see, I just don't see the case. But, I do think that because several people are seeing it, it's time for me to stop working off vibes and read her back.
I expressed my thoughts towards your votes because I assumed you had similar reasons for voting to what mine were for Epignosis the day before. I was surprised by your change of vote - but I do not believe in picking up on and pushing the suspicions of someone who is silenced when they can't speak for themselves. I would have been horrified if Epi had been lynched while I was silenced because I voted for him and others picked it up and ran with it without me even being able to give context as to why. Because my context as to why I voted for epi had literally nothing to do with who I actually was suspicious of.
Did I miss anything?
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
Sloonei, your read on timmer intrigues me greatly.
Especially because I'm assuming it cannot be based on lynch record, given that I had a pretty key role in LC and G-Man suspicions, as well as being an attempted kill of mafia 2. So I'm not sure it's coming solely from fact.
edit before posting - I just realised you only had him as strong town not 'confirmed' town, which is what I read it as. But I still think the poitn stands, so posting it anyway.
Especially because I'm assuming it cannot be based on lynch record, given that I had a pretty key role in LC and G-Man suspicions, as well as being an attempted kill of mafia 2. So I'm not sure it's coming solely from fact.
edit before posting - I just realised you only had him as strong town not 'confirmed' town, which is what I read it as. But I still think the poitn stands, so posting it anyway.
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What is your read on timmer? I'll get to his ISO soonish, but most of my reads are based on "vibes" and interpretation of posts, and timmer (without having scrutinized him too closely) has been the most consistently town-feeling of any player in this game. He's not "pinged" me once.
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I don't really have any strong mafia vibes right now, with the key people I felt strongly about gone. It's time for me to do some new scouting. So starting with moderate vibes. Also putting additional info in brackets sometimes. Someone previously posed the view that in their opinion mafia are replaced before town are. I'm not sure if this always holds true, but I do note that G-Man subbed in for a mafia. This has ironically given me a slight town read on a couple of people.
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Gumshoe/devin (absent before they contributed a lot, but no evidence they requested a sub early enough or at all to be put in the same boat as dream and bullz)
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Same as yours - as noted above. Timmer has been influential in helping form my own opinions in this game. I really did mostly ask those questions because it looked like you had him as confirmed but then you didn't, but I do look forward to your iso.
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I also do note that at the time of my rainbow I have read none of your ISOs except the one on me, I'm going to go back and read the rest now.
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@sloonei, this is the post that first pinged me about FZ. Particularly, the middle paragraph. I do not at all like her attempt to read meaning in to my vote for epi while I'm not around to provide context. Particularly when she explains away the possibility of the vote being forced when I had no previous form for suspecting epi.FZ. wrote:Scotty, no, I'm not sure that corruption means the player will change to bad, but I want to be sure about this, because if any of us were bad and could recruit or something of the sort, we'd take the most trusted player in the game. Right now, that's obviously Sloonei. So unless someone saved him, or he has a power to survive a NK on his own, I would be quite worried.
As for Golden voting Epi, that's a very weird choice, and I think we should think about why it's there. I doubt he was forced to do it, because Epig was not a high candidate for a lynch, so why waste it on him. So it seems he voted Epi for a good reason, at least to him.
Oh, and Neverwhere just reminded me about Splints.
Splints, of course civvies hesitate, but I think your choices for baddies are too easy. I think Bubbles is not bad, and based on his recent posts, I don't see Bass as bad either. I could be wrong of course, but it seems as if you chose the easy targets.
I've also subsequently been pinged about her focus on you as the corruptee, primarily because this does not back it up at all:
I would think if this post indicated Wildhorn successfully corrupted someone, wildhorn is one hooded figure and the person corrupted is the other. But the two of them leave, and THEN sloonei exits stage right. For me, this borders on evidence that if there was a corruption, it is NOT sloonei - a point I've already made before. Certainly, it at least provides no evidence it would be you...Dom wrote:SLOONEI sits on the floor. Silence. A pair of roller-skates with blades on them whiz by, only to just miss. ENTER two HOODED FIGURES. They shake hands, and ascend out.
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I have the vague theory that FZ could be on mafia team 2, could have a role that controls votes (or with a teammate who controls votes) and knows whether a corruption occurred and who did it, and that these posts are deliberate distancing.
I wouldn't say this is an exceptionally strong read, but I'm wary of FZ right now.
I do think she is genuinely baddie hunting (eg posts on splints) but in this game you can do that and still be bad.
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I should have picked a lighter shade of blue for my strong town reads. Will make that adjustment in rainbows of the future.
Scotty, Cobalt, and Metalmarsh are the reads I'm most intrigued by on your rainbow. Those are the three places we seem to disagree the most. Care to elaborate on those three?
Scotty, Cobalt, and Metalmarsh are the reads I'm most intrigued by on your rainbow. Those are the three places we seem to disagree the most. Care to elaborate on those three?
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In fact sloonei, I just looked at our rainbows, and they are almost polar opposite right now. You are suspecting a completely different set of people to me.
Some other things I don't like.
I don't like that epi has minimised the fact that he refuted that his 2.0 is quieter than his 1.0.
He said this:
Some other things I don't like.
I don't like that epi has minimised the fact that he refuted that his 2.0 is quieter than his 1.0.
He said this:
It's technically true that he has never said "Thats not true" but he has implied it, eg:Epignosis wrote:How many times have I refuted it?FZ. wrote:That said, I don't care how many times you refute it Epig, you've been posting very differently than your first day style.
Epignosis wrote:Very quiet.TinyBubbles wrote:and epi's has been very quiet compared to earlier in the thread when he had a different role (if i recall correctly?) which is also making me wary
Very quiet.
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These are solid points. I've been saying that I find her paranoia about the possibility of corruption to be a point in her favor, but it seems like she's really the only one in the thread who's bringing it up at all right now. The thing that strikes me most in that post of hers is when she says she doubts you were "forced" to vote for Epi. I don't know where she would even get such a notion, is there any evidence that there have been forced votes in this game?Golden wrote:@sloonei, this is the post that first pinged me about FZ. Particularly, the middle paragraph. I do not at all like her attempt to read meaning in to my vote for epi while I'm not around to provide context. Particularly when she explains away the possibility of the vote being forced when I had no previous form for suspecting epi.FZ. wrote:Scotty, no, I'm not sure that corruption means the player will change to bad, but I want to be sure about this, because if any of us were bad and could recruit or something of the sort, we'd take the most trusted player in the game. Right now, that's obviously Sloonei. So unless someone saved him, or he has a power to survive a NK on his own, I would be quite worried.
As for Golden voting Epi, that's a very weird choice, and I think we should think about why it's there. I doubt he was forced to do it, because Epig was not a high candidate for a lynch, so why waste it on him. So it seems he voted Epi for a good reason, at least to him.
Oh, and Neverwhere just reminded me about Splints.
Splints, of course civvies hesitate, but I think your choices for baddies are too easy. I think Bubbles is not bad, and based on his recent posts, I don't see Bass as bad either. I could be wrong of course, but it seems as if you chose the easy targets.
I've also subsequently been pinged about her focus on you as the corruptee, primarily because this does not back it up at all:
I would think if this post indicated Wildhorn successfully corrupted someone, wildhorn is one hooded figure and the person corrupted is the other. But the two of them leave, and THEN sloonei exits stage right. For me, this borders on evidence that if there was a corruption, it is NOT sloonei - a point I've already made before. Certainly, it at least provides no evidence it would be you...Dom wrote:SLOONEI sits on the floor. Silence. A pair of roller-skates with blades on them whiz by, only to just miss. ENTER two HOODED FIGURES. They shake hands, and ascend out.
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I have the vague theory that FZ could be on mafia team 2, could have a role that controls votes (or with a teammate who controls votes) and knows whether a corruption occurred and who did it, and that these posts are deliberate distancing.
I wouldn't say this is an exceptionally strong read, but I'm wary of FZ right now.
I do think she is genuinely baddie hunting (eg posts on splints) but in this game you can do that and still be bad.
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I go back and forth on Scotty, perhaps neutral would have been a better place for him. I'll need to read back on that one and really present an informed view. For now, read it as 'some of the things Scotty says bother me a little'. It may be down to newness at the game. Scotty is SO town-sounding when it comes to a whole lot of aspects of the game. I particularly need to look back at his views on LC. I don't think Scotty is on team 1.
I see epi's theory about the team that killed him being full of newer people as holding weight. I've always thought his tgg/sig/cobalt theory could hold weight. That's why I have cobalt at the top of my list. I'm also still not convinced that the day two shenanigans with cobalt/LC weren't a tactic. Want to know why? Because I've pulled exactly those kind of shenanigans with LC on a baddie team, and we both had a lot of fun doing it. I know LC has fun with that kind of thing. And honestly, who really suspects Cobalt right now? If that was the plan, it appears to have worked. Notice Cobalt has also gone quieter the moment he has the civ cred he craved? I'm not feeling great about cobalt right now at all.
I see no reason to see MM as bad. He feels the same as the MM I'm used to. Why do you? (Hold that - I'll read your ISO). I think his analysis of how LC was sig's teammate was very persuasive, and not something I see him doing if he was on LC's mafia team 2 (why bother trying to link him to sig if you are bussing him?) It's something I guess I could see if he was sig's teammate, so he could possibly be mafia team 1.
@sloonei - there had been no evidence of forced votes at all at the time she said it. But I very much wanted to vote for G-Man or LC that day.
I see epi's theory about the team that killed him being full of newer people as holding weight. I've always thought his tgg/sig/cobalt theory could hold weight. That's why I have cobalt at the top of my list. I'm also still not convinced that the day two shenanigans with cobalt/LC weren't a tactic. Want to know why? Because I've pulled exactly those kind of shenanigans with LC on a baddie team, and we both had a lot of fun doing it. I know LC has fun with that kind of thing. And honestly, who really suspects Cobalt right now? If that was the plan, it appears to have worked. Notice Cobalt has also gone quieter the moment he has the civ cred he craved? I'm not feeling great about cobalt right now at all.
I see no reason to see MM as bad. He feels the same as the MM I'm used to. Why do you? (Hold that - I'll read your ISO). I think his analysis of how LC was sig's teammate was very persuasive, and not something I see him doing if he was on LC's mafia team 2 (why bother trying to link him to sig if you are bussing him?) It's something I guess I could see if he was sig's teammate, so he could possibly be mafia team 1.
@sloonei - there had been no evidence of forced votes at all at the time she said it. But I very much wanted to vote for G-Man or LC that day.
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I would also say that Dom's post suggests I'm not involved in any way with the hooded figures/possible corruption. FZ's theory about me being the target has struck me, again, as just honest paranoia, but the more she sticks with it the worse it looks. She hasn't pushed it very hard, but it could be that she's just gauging the thread's interest in the theory to see if lynching me would be possible. I could see scum wanting to get either one of us lynched after failing to nightkill us. This theory just popped into my head right now. Hm. Now I'm seriously reconsidering FZ.
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Should I respond to this theory?G-Man wrote:For what it's worth, I can totally see Sloonei on Long Con's team. Not as a recruit but as a full-fledged member. Look at his vote history. His Day 1 vote pulled Cobalt ahead of Long Con.* His late Day 2 vote could be viewed as a form of insurance in case Cobalt was capable of deflecting the lynch to the second-highest vote recipient. He is the first vote registered on Day 3 against Sig.** His Day 4 vote for Long Con came well after Long Con's lead over me was re-established and Long Con's lynching seemed inevitable. Today's vote is difficult to explain other than him voting immediately to signify that he was silenced. It is also changeable, allowing him to draw attention to other players by switching his vote to them and eventually joining the flock to pile on me late in the day.
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**Same goes for Day 3.
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You are now seeing things exactly the way I've been seeing them.
Even if it simply disestablishes some of the influence you have in the thread it could do a job.
And I'm not saying 'sloonei cannot be corrupted' - it's possible you have been. And I agree with healthy paranoia. I just am concerned at the view that the healthy paranoia should only be aimed at you. It should apply to everyone.
@sloonei - yes you should, because I actually think it holds more weight than the 'corrupted' theory.
Even if it simply disestablishes some of the influence you have in the thread it could do a job.
And I'm not saying 'sloonei cannot be corrupted' - it's possible you have been. And I agree with healthy paranoia. I just am concerned at the view that the healthy paranoia should only be aimed at you. It should apply to everyone.
@sloonei - yes you should, because I actually think it holds more weight than the 'corrupted' theory.
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And because, whatever else G-Man was doing, I certainly believe he was hunting for LC's teammates.
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I expressed a number of times that I hated the case against Long Con on Day 1. I never considered him for my vote that day because the points being made against him did not inspire me one bit. My Day 2 vote was put on Black Rock for no reason whatsoever. I had previously voted for Sig at the start of the day, but the poll was reset. On days where votes aren't changeable, I've been holding on to my vote as long possible, so by the time I revoted that day, Cobalt's lead was insurmountable and I was just voting to fulfill my obligation. I didn't believe Cobalt's claims at the time, for what it's worth. Day 3 I voted for sig right away because sig was my top suspect. Sig was scum, I was very pleased with that one. G-man's analysis of my Day 4 vote is completely off. This is, again, a day without changeable votes, so I was waiting as long as I could. I was only going to vote for G-man or Long Con, and I only had a short window while I was on break at work to do it. A vote for G-man at the time would have put them within 1 vote of each other. LC's lead in the poll was far from established. I didn't want a tie. I voted for Long Con.G-Man wrote:For what it's worth, I can totally see Sloonei on Long Con's team. Not as a recruit but as a full-fledged member. Look at his vote history. His Day 1 vote pulled Cobalt ahead of Long Con.* His late Day 2 vote could be viewed as a form of insurance in case Cobalt was capable of deflecting the lynch to the second-highest vote recipient. He is the first vote registered on Day 3 against Sig.** His Day 4 vote for Long Con came well after Long Con's lead over me was re-established and Long Con's lynching seemed inevitable. Today's vote is difficult to explain other than him voting immediately to signify that he was silenced. It is also changeable, allowing him to draw attention to other players by switching his vote to them and eventually joining the flock to pile on me late in the day.
*Day 1's votes were changeable, so the true timing of his vote on my charts is uncertain.
**Same goes for Day 3.
I also wanted to observe at the time this post was made that this is where pure vote analysis is blind. I encourage you, or anyone who might be intrigued by this theory, to look at my post history and see how this theory looks then.
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Re: [Day 5] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia
Neverwhere has only played two games with about 12-13 players before this one Sloonei. She was also mafia in both of those games (and won them both). I too have noticed that Neverwhere's posts have become stronger and expressed more independent reads in recent days. This is what has led me to give her a slight town read. Her posts feel to me to be consistent with someone who is finding her feet as a civilian for the first time and learning to play from in front of the game instead of trying to hide in the pack.
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Cool, thanks. This is definitely the vibe I got from the progression of her posts. But I could also see it as a scum player getting more comfortable with their false persona. I'd like to see her response to my case about her, but I felt better about her after doing the ISO than I did before it. Not enough to make her a town read, though.Golden wrote:Neverwhere has only played two games with about 12-13 players before this one Sloonei. She was also mafia in both of those games (and won them both). I too have noticed that Neverwhere's posts have become stronger and expressed more independent reads in recent days. This is what has led me to give her a slight town read. Her posts feel to me to be consistent with someone who is finding her feet as a civilian for the first time and learning to play from in front of the game instead of trying to hide in the pack.
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But sometimes this is actually where pure vote analysis is perceptive. Baddies can create great thread context to their votes, but the votes themselves can be the indicator of their true motivations. I also think there is some merit to the idea that you have less experience with votes that are not changeable and those days might be more likely to expose you than changeable vote days?Sloonei wrote:I also wanted to observe at the time this post was made that this is where pure vote analysis is blind. I encourage you, or anyone who might be intrigued by this theory, to look at my post history and see how this theory looks then.
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As I'm a "very town read" on your rainbow, I take it you don't currently support the theory but are keeping an open mind to it, which is fine and I approve. If you have any deeper thoughts and analysis of it I'd love to hear it. And anyone else who wants to weigh in on this absolutely should.Golden wrote:But sometimes this is actually where pure vote analysis is perceptive. Baddies can create great thread context to their votes, but the votes themselves can be the indicator of their true motivations. I also think there is some merit to the idea that you have less experience with votes that are not changeable and those days might be more likely to expose you than changeable vote days?Sloonei wrote:I also wanted to observe at the time this post was made that this is where pure vote analysis is blind. I encourage you, or anyone who might be intrigued by this theory, to look at my post history and see how this theory looks then.
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Yeah, it's devils advocate, but I'm still interested in your response to it.
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I do not think I could respond any better than I already have with the case as it currently exists. I feel I've explained all my votes as thoroughly as I could at the time I cast them and still stand by all of them.
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And also, I entirely believe in what I just said about pure vote analysis being perceptive. I just don't agree with G-Man's theory that you are bad.
In Biblical Mafia, the baddies knew that G-Man and I were heavily using vote analysis (Balaam's trademarked technicolour rainbow vote analysis), they set out to vote in a way that would hide from it, and it was still the tool that I found most useful to catch them.
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In Biblical Mafia, the baddies knew that G-Man and I were heavily using vote analysis (Balaam's trademarked technicolour rainbow vote analysis), they set out to vote in a way that would hide from it, and it was still the tool that I found most useful to catch them.
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