Moderator: Community Team
Oh.LoRab wrote:linkitis: @Ricochet: I meant a complete list of all of the players throughout the game who would be on the list--not just the ones who are still living.
Have you read my posts from today? I've mentioned suspects. And if people are making huge posts against me, why wouldn't I post defenses? And if I only have a limited amount of time/effort to spend playing mafia in a day, and a lot of that is taken up with the need to defend, then yeah, I'm going to defend, and figuring out other suspicions is going to be on the back burner. It's the nature of the game.Russtifinko wrote:Hi all! Back from my trip and have read up. Posting what's immediately on my mind, and then I have to get my life back in order (e.g. shower, laundry, etc.). I will be around to talk most of the evening, even if I'm a bit in and out.
First, based on their posting in other threads, I fully believe both MM and MP are silenced today. It would be impossible for MP to not post if he weren't, and I don't think MM would say absolutely nothing, either.
LoRab, all we've seen from you for days is defending yourself. I get that you follow your own path, and you say you're involved, but the fact of the matter is you're not offering a ton of help right now, and for me the more you write huge defenses without saying much else, the worse you look. Who do YOU think is bad? Do you think the players accusing you are bad, or simply misguided civs? Do you think espers' baddie companion bussed him yesterday?
I already knew I was on it; what does that matter and why would it make a difference in my being interested. I'm trying to figure out who Rorscharch might be, and who might be trying to get people who are on that list lynched, is why I'm interested.Oh! And LoRab, why so interested in Rorschach's list? Even when Rico said you were on it?
LoRab wrote:Do you have a complete list (including people already gone)?Ricochet wrote:DDL (Golden, DH, Eloh)LoRab wrote:Does anyone have a Rorschach list handy?
Cookie (Golden, DH)
LoRab (Golden)
Scotty (Eloh)
MP (Eloh)
The unlynchable characters in Death Note that I was referencing too didn't need to be alive to win either, just fulfill a individual win con.LoRab wrote:I can't remember who said something about Dr Manhattan maybe being unlynchable? Given that the watchmen do not need to be alive to win, according to the descriptions, it would seem like an odd power to add. Survives the first attempt or two on life, maybe...but unlynchable doesn't seem likely, imho.
OK, then. I've never seen that combination. But I stand corrected.Ricochet wrote:The unlynchable characters in Death Note that I was referencing too didn't need to be alive to win either, just fulfill a individual win con.LoRab wrote:I can't remember who said something about Dr Manhattan maybe being unlynchable? Given that the watchmen do not need to be alive to win, according to the descriptions, it would seem like an odd power to add. Survives the first attempt or two on life, maybe...but unlynchable doesn't seem likely, imho.
I'm also referencing this to maybe bait MP out of silence. If he's faking it, he must be in pains that he can't talk fluff about the game he hosted.Ricochet wrote:The unlynchable characters in Death Note that I was referencing too didn't need to be alive to win either, just fulfill a individual win con.LoRab wrote:I can't remember who said something about Dr Manhattan maybe being unlynchable? Given that the watchmen do not need to be alive to win, according to the descriptions, it would seem like an odd power to add. Survives the first attempt or two on life, maybe...but unlynchable doesn't seem likely, imho.
[/bantz])
Bit testy, eh, LoRab?LoRab wrote:Meant to add.
@Russ: You seem to neglect considering that either of those players could fake being silenced.
So this does actually bring up the small possibility that Bubbles was silenced, which to me would mean MM were faking. I'll be very interested in who says what after the lynch.G-Man wrote:Tiny Bubbles logged on today and yet no posts here. Tiny needs to come up big today or I will be very suspicious.
I think there is definite probability DDl could be MorlockRicochet wrote:Does anyone have an opinion on DDL's D5? Or defense of D5? Or overall mix of hunts and gameplay? I feel his rebuttals are on a very thin line between genuine and having enough room to come up with competent explanations. Between him and Scotty as, let's say, mislynchers, I feel better about Scotty than DDL, even though DDL scored Sloonei on the first day. Plus, he's somehow still my gut read for Moloch.
Scotty wrote:I'm on my phone again, so I'm not quoting anything, but this in response to @Cookie, point by point
-fair enough about your read of MP during the night phase. Though I'm usually in the camp of letting things out in all phases, I completely understand the reasoning of not revealing too much at night for fear of NK.
But your reasoning the next day was sparse at best, so I don't necessarily see a connection between your fear of being NK'd and your openness during the day.
My openness during day is because I'm not fearful of being killed in the night with no capability of defending myself.
-cheering up sad MP: awwww ok I'll let this pass
- on my read of your reads and is it mocking? Well, it might read as inherently mocking, though I define mocking as the intent of getting a negative emotional response out of someone. If that's the case, I apologize. That's just how I read your reads, nothing more than that.
-thinking Mp is mafia- ok. I just can't help but wonder what you're thinking when you point out something suspicious and in the same breath counter yourself with a positive viewpoint. I think that's just my personality? See the bright side of things. Give the benefit of the doubt.
This one is BS-
-your skipped the first 2 days because your friend wasn't playing? So that's why you don't have a read on GMan or Bass? I don't believe that for a second. I seem to remember you finding the "in-topic" button underneath player names to look through people's history. The thread is here. I was literally DEAD for 2 days and I can still read through all the garbage of those days to get at least a viewpoint.
This what I wrote:
"I don't remember anything he's posted. I skipped over reading the first 2 days or so because I was annoyed that Sloonei was being lynched (not becuase I am mafia with him, but because he is my good friend and I was looking forward to playing a game with him). And the thread moved too fast, so I couldn't remember who posted what. It's only been the past 3 days where I've gotten to know all of the living posters, their style of posting, their image, etc."
I was going to give up on the game and be replaced because I wanted to join him in a different game. In my post I've quoted, I also mentioned the thread was moving too fast to keep up with.
I'm rather new to mafia myself, and don't really know how anyone plays either (except like 3-4 people, though I don't know if they are civ in mafia in BoB). Maybe I'm just more intuitive than the normal person with how forums work but I find it hard to believe even if you're just getting used to these people's play styles, it exempts you from having an opinion either way.
Could it be that your teammate was lynched first day and you so became overwhelmed with your sudden responsibility of being on your own, posting thru your own merits, that you didn't know how to get a good grip on the game? That's pure speculation, which you're entitled to. But I don't know what you expect me to say here.
I don't know where you come from, and I don't know how your compatriots usually play there. But I don't see the excuse of your friend not playing as valid even in that home forum.
-if you listed your top suspects, you claim it should appear that you think they are mafia: that's not completely right, and your reasoning was weak at best. With no clear read on potential mafia, adding people to that suspect list holds little merit, IMHO.
-How do you know espers left for RL reasons? I don't remember anyone posting that reasoning, let alone him.I'm assuming this because why else would he leave with no explanation unless he was leaving because of being lynched out? Regardless, he wasn't interested in playing this game, so I doubt he'd be interesting in helping out the final mafia.
Wait, what?!Cookie wrote:Scotty wrote: -How do you know espers left for RL reasons? I don't remember anyone posting that reasoning, let alone him.I'm assuming this because why else would he leave with no explanation unless he was leaving because of being lynched out? Regardless, he wasn't interested in playing this game, so I doubt he'd be interesting in helping out the final mafia.
No, I said MP wasn't NK'd, not lynched.Ricochet wrote:I'm fairly in agreement with Scotty's criticism of Cookie, but unfortunately it still doesn't tell me if she's a civvie who is triggering a lot of heat or the last Inmate who is attempting to blend in with the readers and comes up short. Those NK/lynch speculations of her really boggle my mind: didn't she repeatedly said she's surprised MP hasn't been lynched yet? Her new version is that she didn't call MP mafia during the Night to not risk being NKd if MP is mafia, but now that, ha ha, it didn't happen and MP is on the table to be lynched, she can fully endorse it? What brand of WIFOM is this, Chardonnay?
Let me rephrase:LoRab wrote:Wait, what?!Cookie wrote:Scotty wrote: -How do you know espers left for RL reasons? I don't remember anyone posting that reasoning, let alone him.I'm assuming this because why else would he leave with no explanation unless he was leaving because of being lynched out? Regardless, he wasn't interested in playing this game, so I doubt he'd be interesting in helping out the final mafia.
That you couldn't possibly have been helped by the confirmed baddies.Cookie wrote:An excuse for what? Someone said that I was likely being helped from Sloonei/Espers from the grave and those are my reasons why that's unlikely.
Vote me if you feel that warrants a vote for me. Keep in mind, if I am lynched, we will only have 2 more days to lynch the inmate and Moloch.
I see the following possibilities:Ricochet wrote:But serious thought, now. This is likely MP's second time being silenced, if it's genuine (he didn't confirm D2, but we all assumed it was obvious) - incidentally, this could be MM's second time as well (he hinted at being silenced D3, I think).
If Derf did, his intentions are pretty clear, he probably suspects MP is Mafia. Or retribution for Eloh. ([bantz]Or he wanted a quieter Day.
MP doing it to himself is not out of the question. MP doing it to himself and being BF is also not out of the question. I recall Epignosis being lynched in Hardy Salty Kipper after he silenced himself too many times - the civs rationale was why would Mafia keep silencing him instead of NK'ing him, if they can't stand him; and it worked!
If MP is civ and got silenced by BF, he [MP] did a pretty shit job the other night by saying "I have every intention of considering literally every player as the last mafia tomorrow". That doesn't create any kind of window of who would want to shut him up. He pointed a bit at Russ, plus had Cookie, LoRab and G-Man top of his updated list, but who knows, completely inconcludent.
lylo = lynch or lose. It's a phase of the game where if we don't lynch a bad, we lose.Cookie wrote:I just went by whatever DDL/MP said. They said whatever lylo is, meaning we had 2 or 3 days? I've no idea what lylo is - I haven't googled it.
My defense is purposely incomplete, but unfortunately I cannot complete it. You'll have to figure it out yourself.Ricochet wrote:Does anyone have an opinion on DDL's D5? Or defense of D5? Or overall mix of hunts and gameplay? I feel his rebuttals are on a very thin line between genuine and having enough room to come up with competent explanations. Between him and Scotty as, let's say, mislynchers, I feel better about Scotty than DDL, even though DDL scored Sloonei on the first day. Plus, he's somehow still my gut read for Moloch.
He did? Wasn't that about The Comedian offing himself?Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Doing it to himself is out of the question. Epi made it pretty clear he doesnt allowe it. Getting silinced by the same person twice is also out of the question. If he is BF, he must have faked at least once unless it's the possibility #4.
I've mentioned this before - both of them are playing how I expect them to play. Cookie reads to me as a genuinely confused civ with some culture shock, and MM is being MM. Normally I wouldn't say that's very indicative of his alignment, but he gave us the D4 poll when he didn't have to, something I don't see a baddie ever doing.LoRab wrote:I'm frustrated, yes. I've had suspicion of me since day 1 and it's now day 6 and I know I'm not bad. So, yes, it becomes frustrating.
Why do you think MM and Cookie are both civ?
I have DDL as a bit of a question mark. My gut gives a slight civvie read, but I haven't taken the time recently to reread him. Now that you're mentioning it, I oughta do that.Ricochet wrote:Does anyone have an opinion on DDL's D5? Or defense of D5? Or overall mix of hunts and gameplay? I feel his rebuttals are on a very thin line between genuine and having enough room to come up with competent explanations. Between him and Scotty as, let's say, mislynchers, I feel better about Scotty than DDL, even though DDL scored Sloonei on the first day. Plus, he's somehow still my gut read for Moloch.
So unless this is one of the rare exceptions (which I doubt), he doesn't allow it.Epignosis wrote:Except for, well, certain rare exceptions, I do not allow self-targeting, ever. And even if I did, Blake killing himself would not be enough to secure his own win.Long Con wrote:Host: Can The Comedian use his nightkill on himself, securing his own win?
Oh, I think you're right. The rule says "twice in a row".Russtifinko wrote:Linki 2: And why wouldn't he be able to be silenced twice by one person? In general, games here have a "no double targeting" rule that applies to consecutive nights only. So silencing MP D4 and D5 would be illegal, but D3 and D5 would be allowed.
So, you recognize that self-targeting isn't likely allowed at all.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Oh, I think you're right. The rule says "twice in a row".Russtifinko wrote:Linki 2: And why wouldn't he be able to be silenced twice by one person? In general, games here have a "no double targeting" rule that applies to consecutive nights only. So silencing MP D4 and D5 would be illegal, but D3 and D5 would be allowed.
So MP doesn't have to be faking it to be BF.
Still, I have no idea why Derf woul even want to silence him twice.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:So unless this is one of the rare exceptions (which I doubt), he doesn't allow it.Epignosis wrote:Except for, well, certain rare exceptions, I do not allow self-targeting, ever. And even if I did, Blake killing himself would not be enough to secure his own win.Long Con wrote:Host: Can The Comedian use his nightkill on himself, securing his own win?
So putting these things together, MP and MM are both either: A) Not civ or Derf, and each have been silenced twice. By the same person or different people in each case, who knows. Or B) One of them is BF and is faking, and one of the silencers (likely BF, given the missed kill) missed the PM. However, both of these two have clearly been around, so why would either have missed the PM?Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Oh, I think you're right. The rule says "twice in a row".Russtifinko wrote:Linki 2: And why wouldn't he be able to be silenced twice by one person? In general, games here have a "no double targeting" rule that applies to consecutive nights only. So silencing MP D4 and D5 would be illegal, but D3 and D5 would be allowed.
So MP doesn't have to be faking it to be BF.
Still, I have no idea why Derf woul even want to silence him twice.
DDL, does this point make you any more hesitant about your vote? Or are you still running under the assumption he is bad and that Derf did silence him twice, even though you find it weird that he did so?Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Oh, I think you're right. The rule says "twice in a row".Russtifinko wrote:Linki 2: And why wouldn't he be able to be silenced twice by one person? In general, games here have a "no double targeting" rule that applies to consecutive nights only. So silencing MP D4 and D5 would be illegal, but D3 and D5 would be allowed.
So MP doesn't have to be faking it to be BF.
Still, I have no idea why Derf woul even want to silence him twice.
My suspicion wasn't because of your confusion, but because what you posted I found suspicious.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:And calling me suspicious because I said something confusing about game mechanics seems forced to me, LoRab.
I think a civ silencing him twice is really far-fetched. So yeah, it does make me a little more hesitant. But MP faking it is not really hard, and him being Moloch isn't, either. I'd still vote for him. The idea that MP could change my vote by choosing not to talk for a phase is not one that I like.Russtifinko wrote:DDL, does this point make you any more hesitant about your vote? Or are you still running under the assumption he is bad and that Derf did silence him twice, even though you find it weird that he did so?Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Oh, I think you're right. The rule says "twice in a row".Russtifinko wrote:Linki 2: And why wouldn't he be able to be silenced twice by one person? In general, games here have a "no double targeting" rule that applies to consecutive nights only. So silencing MP D4 and D5 would be illegal, but D3 and D5 would be allowed.
So MP doesn't have to be faking it to be BF.
Still, I have no idea why Derf woul even want to silence him twice.
I'm very strongly leaning a LoRab vote at this point. Rico, I agree with you that she looks the worst.Ricochet wrote:Well, it's one hour left and, realistically, I think five more votes to be made (I'm counting out the silenced, because if they faked it but do show up to vote, they pretty much commit suicide, and TinyBubbles, who is nowhere to be seen). Six with Tiny.
How about we put our top choices on the table? I'm very torn between my first two
- DDL - out of all the hunters, I feel least good about him
- LoRab - out of all the players, I feel least good about her
- third probably Cookie, based on today
