Watchmen [ENDGAME]

#2251

Rico is also right that MMs voting record is pretty bad. To me it's comparable with DDLs because even though MM has lunched fewer civs he's missed more votes. I'm not spotless in the category either, I'm just saying.

#2252

Ricochet wrote:Host, can Big Figure silence and kill during a Night, if he sends in both actions?

Yes.

#2253

As for Big Figure killing nightly, I guess we have our answer since he killed on N7, despite inheriting Lawrence's even Night kill first.

Could DDL also be silenced? He usually checks in until now. Man, this is the most silencing I've seen in a late phase ever.

Also, big irony with Cookie's vote there. She voted a possibly silenced player, something she didn't do with MP (she also voted very early, before realising G-Man could be silenced). Furthermore, her saying the silencing makes G-Man looks bad is also contradictory with her saying she won't suspect players further if they are silenced and don't have a chance to defend themselves.

#2254

I feel as if cookie might be doubling down on the guilty acts last second as a way to put doubt. Incredibly on the nose in order to make people think she's innocent. Gonna vote for her now

Going to work, I'll be back at 8.

#2255

Honestly, I don't see any way this lunch goes any way other than Cookie today, and I'm curious enough to give my stamp of approval. I'm already on Rorschach's list after yesterday. And Scotty was the player I most believed was civ, so I'm willing to put a little faith there as well.

Voting now since I'll be out bachelor partying most of the evening.

#2256

Cookie

#2257

I'll be home soon, but it looks like Cookie is the option for today.

I don't feel like lynching G-man, as he is the only other.

#2258

Why does G-Man being silenced look bad, Cookie?

Because the one day where I don't wait until the last minute to save my own skin, I voted early. This also happens after I've just refused to vote someone because they were silenced. It completely incriminates me. Unless every other player votes for glam, I'm dead. It will be a huge loss to civ.

#2259

Gman, not glam. Sorry on my phone.

#2260

Cookie wrote:
Why does G-Man being silenced look bad, Cookie?
Because the one day where I don't wait until the last minute to save my own skin, I voted early. This also happens after I've just refused to vote someone because they were silenced. It completely incriminates me. Unless every other player votes for glam, I'm dead. It will be a huge loss to civ.

Oh. I misunderstood then, I thought it meant G-Man looked bad. Sorry about that part in my earlier post, then.

#2261

Well, we know how this day will end. DDL is lurking and hasn't posted this day phase yet, so he is probably silenced.

If that is the case, my vote appears to be pointless.

#2262

I'm voting DDL. In case everyone is wrong about Cookie, at least I won't be in trouble with Rorschach.

#2263

^An irrational fear as it can get, considering Rorschach, if alive, can only kill you on N10, a Night we very likely won't reach, if we either lynch BF and Moloch within the next two-three Days or end up in lylo in D10 at the latest. Plus Rorschach, who hasn't made a move to kill in two consecutive Nights since he started having sinners, surely has to be alive and simply sleeping on the job.

#2264

Who murdered Scotty?

Poll ended at Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:06 pm

Cookie
3
Made (8), Russtifinko (9), Ricochet (10)
27%

Dragon D. Luffy
1
Metalmarsh89 (11)
9%

G-Man
1
Cookie (4)
9%

Made
0
No votes

Metalmarsh89
0
No votes

Ricochet
0
No votes

Russtifinko
0
No votes

The New Frontiersman (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
6
Scotty (1), MovingPictures07 (2), ika (3), Elohcin (5), Epignosis (6), LoRab (7)
55%

Total votes : 11

#2265

A Flyer on a Burned-Down New York Building

July 30, 1985

You have 23 hours to submit your PMs.

#2266

Ricochet wrote:^An irrational fear as it can get, considering Rorschach, if alive, can only kill you on N10, a Night we very likely won't reach, if we either lynch BF and Moloch within the next two-three Days or end up in lylo in D10 at the latest. Plus Rorschach, who hasn't made a move to kill in two consecutive Nights since he started having sinners, surely has to be alive and simply sleeping on the job.

So what? If we were wrong, no sense adding an extra name to Rorschach's list of players he needs dead to win.

What makes you think he is alive?

#2267

Yes! BIH Cookie.

It's ironic that the first time in ages we lynch mafia is the one I can't vote. <cries>

#2268

Anyway, back to turning my setting to invisible.

#2269

*passes Zombie popcorn to cookie*
*may or may not spinkle some zombie poison on first*

#2270

Baller, who's next?

#2271

Wait, there's no more night kills then correct?

#2272

Made wrote:Wait, there's no more night kills then correct?

Depends on what this Moloch fellow is like.

#2273

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:Wait, there's no more night kills then correct?
Depends on what this Moloch fellow is like.

Hmm... this is the first game i've played where the entire mafia team is dead, i'm still alive, and the indie is still alive... I don't know where to go from here honestly......

#2274

He must have... something. But no idea what. One of the theories is that he can only kill once the mafia is dead, but I think it might be something more elaborate than that.

#2275

the fact his description says last man standing maybe makes my mind immediately go to recruiter, does that make sense in the context of the novel/movie (no spoilers please)

#2276

LoRab wrote:*passes Zombie popcorn to cookie*
*may or may not spinkle some zombie poison on first*

Considering I'm an emotional eater I will GOBBLE ALL OF YOUR POPCORN.

#2277

Cookie wrote:
LoRab wrote:*passes Zombie popcorn to cookie*
*may or may not spinkle some zombie poison on first*
Considering I'm an emotional eater I will GOBBLE ALL OF YOUR POPCORN.

All Cookie eats are chocolate chips.
Welcome to the land of the dead, Cookie.

#2278

Epignosis wrote:
A Flyer on a Burned-Down New York Building

July 30, 1985

You have 23 hours to submit your PMs.

Seriously, that was horrible not being able to talk. I think that might actually be the first time I've ever been silenced. Of course it would happen when I can barely talk in the other game I'm playing.

Gotta say, at first I was worried when Scotty died and I was silenced that we were being played and someone was either setting Cookie up or controlling her. Then she voted for me and posted what she posted. Then it was pretty obvious she was bad. For future reference, Cookie, what you did is what's called laying it on a little too thick. Good effort up to this last day though! Hope to see you in games more often.

#2279

Scotty wrote:
Cookie wrote:
LoRab wrote:*passes Zombie popcorn to cookie*
*may or may not spinkle some zombie poison on first*
Considering I'm an emotional eater I will GOBBLE ALL OF YOUR POPCORN.
All Cookie eats are chocolate chips.
Welcome to the land of the dead, Cookie.

I actually just had a handful of straight chocolate chips.

Guys, this is the first time I've been able to type in dead red :')

Weep for me.

#2280

It took you folks that long to avenge me? Really?

#2281

G-Man wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
A Flyer on a Burned-Down New York Building

July 30, 1985

You have 23 hours to submit your PMs.

Seriously, that was horrible not being able to talk. I think that might actually be the first time I've ever been silenced. Of course it would happen when I can barely talk in the other game I'm playing.

Gotta say, at first I was worried when Scotty died and I was silenced that we were being played and someone was either setting Cookie up or controlling her. Then she voted for me and posted what she posted. Then it was pretty obvious she was bad. For future reference, Cookie, what you did is what's called laying it on a little too thick. Good effort up to this last day though! Hope to see you in games more often.

I have a response for this, however, I don't think I can tell you while the game is still going so remind me to respond to this when the game ends!

#2282

Anyway, Epi, thanks for hosting this! It was a really fun game and I enjoyed it immensely!

#2283

DharmaHelper wrote:It took you folks that long to avenge me? Really?

Who the hell are you?

#2284

DharmaHelper wrote:It took you folks that long to avenge me? Really?

Bitch, we avenged you Day 4. Silly dead players! I guess just because you eat brains after death doesn't mean you still have brains.

#2285

Actually tho, how does one hunt and indie?

#2286

Made wrote:Actually tho, how does one hunt and indie?

If you wanna hunt an indy, ya gotta think like an indy

#2287

Holy fuck. I shocked Cookie was bad. Scotty I am glad you were able to convince me, but sorry it was too late for you.

People have brought up how to hunt Moloch. I agree with some analysis posted before, and clearly it seems Moloch would want to try to hunt baddies with the best of them. Then again, I could understand a quieter one too. Ugh I wish I wasn't so busy on Saturday, I think the next lynch will be pretty important

#2288

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:Actually tho, how does one hunt and indie?
If you wanna hunt an indy, ya gotta think like an indy

In that case, it's not this lynch that's important, it's the next one. I think i get it...

#2289

Russtifinko wrote:Holy fuck. I shocked Cookie was bad. Scotty I am glad you were able to convince me, but sorry it was too late for you.

People have brought up how to hunt Moloch. I agree with some analysis posted before, and clearly it seems Moloch would want to try to hunt baddies with the best of them. Then again, I could understand a quieter one too. Ugh I wish I wasn't so busy on Saturday, I think the next lynch will be pretty important

But it will not be crucial, which is a good thing to note. The next one would be.

Linki: Holy shit Made.

#2290

By holy shit, I mean you posted the exact same thing I was posting.

#2291

BIH Cookie and sayonara Inmates, but it's still a bitter one, because of losing Scotty.

Made's post are getting more and more confusing.

Back after rehearsals.

#2292

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:^An irrational fear as it can get, considering Rorschach, if alive, can only kill you on N10, a Night we very likely won't reach, if we either lynch BF and Moloch within the next two-three Days or end up in lylo in D10 at the latest. Plus Rorschach, who hasn't made a move to kill in two consecutive Nights since he started having sinners, surely has to be alive and simply sleeping on the job.
So what? If we were wrong, no sense adding an extra name to Rorschach's list of players he needs dead to win.

What makes you think he is alive?

That second sentence was meant to be sarcastic, but I guess I didn't word it perfectly. Nothing makes me think he's alive, based on his inactivity.

So you're saying you're just looking out for his win con, instead of fearing ending up on the list and getting killed. That's fine, but why? We currently need one more baddie lynch to win the game. He needs four out the six remaining players dead including or not Moloch, if he's among the four sinners, in order to win the game. It's a detrimental mentality to worry about Rorschach's win con, if you're a civ and you're one correct lynch away from winning.

If Moloch was recruitable by the Inmates (which doesn't make much sense, canon-wise, but could be a trait of Epig games - think Rahab/Judas in Biblical [although that was more an example of a corruptible civ]), I'm looking at you for defending Cookie and never voting or suspecting the other Inmates either.

#2293

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Made wrote:Actually tho, how does one hunt and indie?
If you wanna hunt an indy, ya gotta think like an indy

#2294

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:^An irrational fear as it can get, considering Rorschach, if alive, can only kill you on N10, a Night we very likely won't reach, if we either lynch BF and Moloch within the next two-three Days or end up in lylo in D10 at the latest. Plus Rorschach, who hasn't made a move to kill in two consecutive Nights since he started having sinners, surely has to be alive and simply sleeping on the job.
So what? If we were wrong, no sense adding an extra name to Rorschach's list of players he needs dead to win.

What makes you think he is alive?
That second sentence was meant to be sarcastic, but I guess I didn't word it perfectly. Nothing makes me think he's alive, based on his inactivity.

So you're saying you're just looking out for his win con, instead of fearing ending up on the list and getting killed. That's fine, but why? We currently need one more baddie lynch to win the game. He needs four out the six remaining players dead including or not Moloch, if he's among the four sinners, in order to win the game. It's a detrimental mentality to worry about Rorschach's win con, if you're a civ and you're one correct lynch away from winning.

If Moloch was recruitable by the Inmates (which doesn't make much sense, canon-wise, but could be a trait of Epig games - think Rahab/Judas in Biblical [although that was more an example of a corruptible civ]), I'm looking at you for defending Cookie and never voting or suspecting the other Inmates either.

Cookie was winning the lynch 3-1. 2 players appeared to be silenced, leaving me with the only vote left. Give me a reason why my vote would have been better off being put on Cookie than someone else.

As for the Inmates, I love me a good conspiracy theory, but in this case, everyone has a win condition that requires Moloch to be dead (with the exception of Moloch's win con). I don't think there's anything to support your theory.

#2295

I don't see the inmates having anything to do with Moloch, either story wise or gameplay wise.

Ozymandias could do, and at least story-wise it makes sense. Though I don't know how that could be implemented gameplay-wise.

I'm trying to figure out how Moloch would act. Which is hard since we don't know his exact wincon or his MO. Do you guys think he would want to help catch BF as fast as possible, or would he want to stall the game while he works on something else?

#2296

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I don't see the inmates having anything to do with Moloch, either story wise or gameplay wise.

Ozymandias could do, and at least story-wise it makes sense. Though I don't know how that could be implemented gameplay-wise.

I'm trying to figure out how Moloch would act. Which is hard since we don't know his exact wincon or his MO. Do you guys think he would want to help catch BF as fast as possible, or would he want to stall the game while he works on something else?

Considering the Inmates needed Moloch dead to win, I'm pretty sure Moloch would want them out of the way two unless he has a secret NK protection up his sleeve. At the same time, if Moloch is legit a LMS, Moloch wouldn't care who was lynched so long as it wasn't him. But look at how Epi lists the role:

Epignosis wrote:Moloch (1)
???
Win Con: Last man standing...maybe.

Edgar Jacobi / Moloch the Mystic
*Secrets*

That "...maybe" has me wondering. I don't think we can get around spoilers anymore because the game is on the line. If Moloch was a red herring in the comic books, then maybe he's a red herring here too. He's made to look like a villain in this game because his death is part of everyone's win con. If the real bad guy was one of the Watchmen, then maybe we can win the game with Moloch still alive. It's all very complicated and I'm honestly a little bit lost. My spreadsheet doesn't point to anyone in particular at this point. If we're looking for Moloch or Ozy, then I don't know where to start because I can see a way for anyone of you five to be the last person we need to lynch. I'll post that later.

#2297

Moloch isn't exactly what I'd call a red herring. He's a retired supervillain.

Spoiler: show

#2298

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Moloch isn't exactly what I'd call a red herring. He's a retired supervillain.

Spoiler: show
Here's the story. Ozy wanted to get rid of Manhattan, because Manhattan is omnipotent and could easily stop Ozy's plan if he wanted to. To do that, he gave cancer to a bunch of people who had interacted with Manhattan, to make him believe his radioactive body was giving cancer to people (which was a lie), and make Manhattan run away to Mars in shame, while Ozy put his plan into motion. Moloch, being a supervillain who had faced Manhattan in the past, was one of those people, and was hired by Ozy's company for that (a very shitty job lol).

The Comedian discovered the plan then went to interrogate Moloch to find out more about it. Ozy found out about it and killed the Comedian. Then Rorscharch went to investigate the Comedian's murder and ended up interrogating Moloch too.

So Moloch is more of an unwitting pawn than anything.

Right but he was retired. He wasn't a red herring in the comic books.

#2299

Speak softly and maintain a potent spreadsheet.

Civilian Roles are in green.
Watchmen Roles are in blue.
Inmates are in red.
Players with their names struck out were NK'd.

Made subbed in for TinyBubbles, who subbed in for Bass.

Spoiler: show

Use the data as reference with what the next series of posts I make.

#2300

Why Dragon Might Be The One To Lynch:

-He's been dead wrong about everyone he's vote for except for Sloonei on Day 1.

-His style in Economics contributed to continued suspicion of him, eventually leading to his mislynch. He also got curb-stomped as an obvious baddie in Guess Who. If he was given an Indie role this game, he would certainly approach the game differently. His confidence suggests that he is a very smart person and player of the game. Having no reason to doubt either, Dragon is the kind of person who learns from his mistakes. Having made a few, he's bound to have taken his game up a notch or two.

-Elohcin said early on that she felt that Dragon was legit because he seemed more relaxed than the Dragon she observed while hosting him in Guess Who. At least one or two others seemed to agree that Dragon seemed calmer and more poised this go around. Perhaps that's because he has to rely on only himself to get that winner's badge.

-He's kept himself just suspicious enough to merit the Inmates keeping him around for a non-Inmate lynch. He benefited from his own misguided hunting because the Inmates never felt threatened by him.

-Several players have expressed suspicion of him before or as they were on their way out.

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Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
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