So, I haven't gotten to a Rainbow List post yet... I didn't realize how difficult it would be at this stage given the nature of the game. I'll keep mulling over it, and if I come up with something actually worthwhile, then I'll post it. For now, it's tough to differentiate most players' mindsets from neutral mindsets.
reywaS wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:
Make fun of me as his cheerleader all you want (actually, please do, since it's hilarious), but I have been only defending Golden with the fervor that I've had because I feel accusations against him have been driven by mere fear mongering ("he did that to Epi? What if he does it to me?!?!?!!?"), which is a silly sentiment in my opinion given that the vast majority of players in this game still don't know what side they're going to end up on.
You start this paragraph off by addressing me and end it by addressing SVS without a transition.
, I note your observation. My post wasn't really addressed to anyone in particular (you'll note I didn't ask anyone for input and that my statements don't really require any input), and I realize I was talking about you and S~V~S. I'm afraid I don't understand your point though. What is it?
Dom wrote:
Why the wishy-washy-ness on Bass?
When Epignosis pushed for his lynch, he had one vote, did he not? Golden was hardly in danger on Day 1.
Dom wrote:This does not address Golden's change in tone. This does not address Golden's change in actions since Day 0.
, I'm confused. What wishy-washyness are you talking about? I feel I've been consistent on Bass.
I don't discount that fact; you raise a good point. Nonetheless, I've been pursued by Epignosis before on Day 1, and Day 1 always unpredictable. I suppose it's so easy for me to understand Golden's perspective because I was just feeling everything he seemed to be feeling here on Day 1 of Economics when Epi relentlessly attacked me because he thought I was lying about RL.
Regarding Golden, I do believe his tone changed rapidly once Epi started going after him hard, and I can completely understand why. I do not think Golden's change in tone is indicative of anything other than being under intense emotional fire. What do you think?
Roxy wrote:Bass_the_Clever wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:Turnip Head wrote:I can definitely see how you (or anyone) would view Golden as a threat at this point. He basically stopped short of calling the Epignosis kill "a demonstration".
Well, I suppose you're right; I perhaps am not being understanding enough of the opposite perspective myself, but I'll still be very disappointed if Golden gets lynched and flips neutral (or, worse, civilian-aligned, but I would doubt that).
See what I dont understand is why people are cool with me flipping neutral. Can someone explain that to me?
yah I do not get this mindset either.
Its ok if Bass flips Neutral and his role is considered bad EVEN though he is Neutral.
Disappointing if Golden gets lynched as a Neutral - seems no matter the role.
Typhoony is NK'ed and determined to be a Sorcerer - before we knew Bass had the supposed bad role everyone was ok for Typh to come back even though there is a chance he is a Sorcerer killer or he could have been this bad role Bass turned out to be.
This is such a double standard and so clique-ish imo.
MovingPictures wrote:<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<snip I've considered the fact that Golden seemed more intent on lynching you over me, but didn't seem to have too strong of an opinion on either of us, but it really has no effect on the fact that his posts read exactly the way he's been crafting them, all game.
What does this mean any chance you can rephrase this bc it does not make sense.
Crafting posts does not sound like a civ thing it sounds like a bad thing.
Catching up when In can I will be hit and miss I voted #2 earlier before work bc we skipped 2 and went straight to 5 and 5 is right out.
, first off, I just want it to be made clear: I have nothing personal against you or Bass. You are two of my favorite people on this forum and I cherish you both as my friends. I don't know if you feel like I have made anything personal against either of you, but I have had no intention, so I apologize if you do feel that way.
My thought process regarding both Golden and Bass has been clear, but I realize there have been a lot of posts. As I've noted, I've been able to see the perspective behind each of Golden's actions this game. I've been able to understand where he's coming from. I feel Golden is being entirely honest about his intentions, and is laying all of it out on the table and saying "Look, this is what I'm feeling. This is what I've done." and almost no one else is doing that. In contrast, Bass's behavior seemed very manipulative to me, and I couldn't ever understand what was going on in Bass's brain. I tried to engage him in conversation, and others did as well, and I felt Bass was more intent on pushing heat onto anyone other than himself, rather than he was concerned with trying to understand where I was coming from. I won't ramble more because I've noted this before, albeit in a differently explained manner.
I would have been disappointed if Golden had been lynched yesterday because he is hands down the player in this game who is being forthright and completely honest about his intentions and I believe him. I think he is neutral. I think his actions make sense given that he baited Epi. However, I think despite the fact that Golden is doing whatever he can to lay his heart out there, players are taking advantage of him as an easy target. In contrast, Bass seemed very shifty, and only seemed to give opinions on anything once he was prompted to do so, with the exception of his wacky theory on me which I already told him didn't make sense because he was alleging I said the opposite of what I really said.
I can't comment on the Typhoony discussion since I didn't contribute to that. I don't disagree with you there, since I'm not really too sure how the roles themselves are inherently evil or not. Some of them do have powers that can be more adoptable to nefarious purposes, or civilian purposes, but I think it's too speculative in general. I openly admit that I don't know how Bass was approaching this game; I only have tried to make assertions based on his post behavior, just like I am with everyone else.
Regarding the "crafting", I'm not sure what you mean. Everyone crafts, as in creates or types, their posts. Like if I say I am crafting an essay. Maybe people just don't use that word like I do.
I feel Golden has been incredibly clear with his intentions in his posts; refer to my above thoughts and what I've expressed in previous posts.
If you're still unclear on absolutely any of this, then I'm sorry I apparently haven't been clear, and I'll try to clarify when I next return to the thread.
Roxy wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:Bass_the_Clever wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:
If Bass is somehow a recruited mafia, my bet's on Rox for his teammate.
Its cars mafia all over again. lol
What do you think of Rox?
This is where you start trying to pee on me and you do this like every game.
You suspect someone I do not I explain why you do not approve and start saying we teammates before a role or alignment has even been revealed. It has led to me being wrongly lynched by your lead many times.
Why did you immediately jump to - if Bass is bad I bet Rox is on his team?
How dumb would that be? You would never recruit Daisy the same way I would never recruit Bass. Yet you instantly throw this our there like a fact. Why would anyone want to recruit Bass in the first place?
He was not paying attention (which is obv by his posts)
He was barely posting
He was starting to get suspicion
yet you single him out like he would be this amazing recruit LOL you srsly believe that?
, I thought it was odd that you kept making disclaimer statements about Bass that his posting seemed odd or indicated shenanigans yet you were never able to pull the trigger and vote for him. You kept seeming, to me, as if you were finding reasons to not vote for him, all the while recognizing that there WAS something different about his posting. That's why I threw that statement out there. Obviously, I was wrong. I didn't assert that I knew it as a fact. I can't help myself but go into conspiracy theory Sock mode from time to time; I had no idea the post would upset you so much. I should have, though, since I can relate to your mindset better after seeing your more recent posts. I should have just kept that thought to myself and started speculating on any Bass teammates if/once he flipped mafia recruit. I get ahead of myself sometimes.
I explained earlier in the game why I think low posters would make great recruits. If you want proof, look no further than the fact that Golden and I have been constantly having to defend ourselves, that Scotty is recently coming out against JJJ that he'd make a good recruit, that BWT received so many votes on Day 1, etc. The more someone posts, the more they can be scrutinized and the more their words can be manipulated to look suspicious.
Roxy wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:Roxy wrote:I do not get why it is ok to lynch someone you do not think is recruited bc he is a good choice for recruitment - huh? Obv not bc it has led to a likely lynch.
I have been questioned over my suspicion but to me this is really weak.
Keep dreaming MP I see now you are indeed looking for easy lynches.
I don't understand your first line. Can you reword? I don't understand who "he" is.
You've been questioned over your suspicion because it seems several players do not legitimately understand fully why you suspect BWT. Perhaps you should realize that's not because we have skipped your posts but because it's not entirely clear.
I am, yeah? Okay then. Think what you want.
I was obv talking about Bass and others reasons for voting him and something you also touched on.
I did not understand your suspicion but I did not immediately label you and Nutella as likely teammates. I explained my suspicion I am sorry if you "don't think its clear" - last time you claimed my posts were not clear was on Ksite and you were bad
Oh and BTW me and Bass were teammates as we both are Neutral. :P
, I didn't realize you meant Bass. Often I get confused with pronoun-antecedents when they are not 100% explicit, so it wasn't obvious to me. That's more a product of me rather than you, so I'm not implying there was anything wrong with your post or pronoun usage. I just don't read between the lines well.
What you're trying to express by the nutella and me thing -- I think I get it. I'm sorry I wasn't entirely clear in my post's intentions. Look above for the explanation as to my thought process when I posted the theory about you being a teammate of Bass if he happened to flip mafia. See if that answers your question as to why I threw that post out there. I also wanted to see what others would contribute to it, but no one really talked about it, which is probably for the best anyway.
I still don't understand your BWT suspicion completely, but I feel like this is a pointless discussion to pursue, since you don't seem intent on clarifying (I asked you to restate the main points and you wouldn't). So be it, but if I recall correctly, others went through your posts and only found one clear thought on BWT, so I don't think I'm the only one who's still a bit confused on the matter. I won't bother you about it anymore; I know there are a lot of posts, but I know how it feels to be asked to restate things you felt you have said before, since I've already done that this game myself on so many occasions. I'll revisit your posts and let you know if I have any specific questions.
Oh man, I rock! I was totally right then!!!! 
:P
