JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Exercise time: for just a moment, erase all notions of that claiming business from your mind. Tell me who your suspects are.
Rico was on my list. Upon completing an ISO on him, it actually turns out to be almost entirely based on the claiming business. Otherwise he really is a rather firm civ read for me. However, it's not just the mere fact of not claiming that pings me, it's the reasons stated. Rico would post things like
Ricochet wrote:Everyone uses his claim Day 4. Cool.
Tell me which are the Cylons.
Tell me how the baddies are hurt, in this instance.
The aim of the plan is not to out cylons. The baddies are hurt because, if they're cylons, they lose their lynch immunity. Its so basic that questioning it makes me very suspicious. And again
Ricochet wrote:But even so:
Everyone claims.
Baddies lose amnesty.
Status quo of normal lynch resumes.
That's fine, but it's just that. We civs gain no advantage.
Civs gain the advantage of not having to lynch baddies twice. Even if we civs gain no advantage, isn't taking away a baddie advantage reason enough to go along with the plan? Basic, basic stuff. Ultimately, he says
Ricochet wrote:The plan is manipulable. The Cylons could blend and then maybe fuel a witchhunt for anyone who hasn't claimed. Because god knows some of you are already in "he who opposes = FoS" mode.
This puzzles me. In absence of the plan, the cylons
are blending, only with a lynch pass in their pocket. Since cylons are the only ones who could possibly gain from not claiming, it follows that there are quite likely to be cylons among the last six non-claimers. How is this a "witchhunt"? I really hope, once he's uninsanified, he can help me understand his point of view on this.
Other than that, I found his insistence that if LoRab was a civ cylon she would have to be Caprica Six:
Ricochet wrote:if she's Cylon and good, the only lore leeway I could accept, in theory, is her being Caprica Six. Anna D'whatshername also kinda rebelled against the other numbers at one point, but it was for personal goals (finding out the Final Five), not human ones. That's still one/two Cylons out of a remaining roster of six. So unless LoRab can prove convincing that she just so happens to be the one potential non-mafia Cylon character in the game, there won't be much against the notion of lynching her again come tomorrow.
He's solid on the show and a careful reader, so I'm not sure how he missed Indi's post on the rebellious cylons, which I'll re-re-post
indiglo wrote:Cavil Faction: ones (Cavil), fours (O'Neill), fives (Doral) and Boomer (Cavil also hated the Final 5, wanting them dead and/or boxed), the Hybrid (if it exists) may be in this faction, or work as an indy
D'Anna's Group: twos (Leoben), threes (D'Anna), and Athena, Caprica Six may be in this faction, or work as an indy.
This seems like a natural lore-based civ/mafia split, and brings the mafia team down to a more manageable size. Rico's claiming that LoRab had to be one particular role - and what are the odds? - or lynch her makes me think he had it out for LoRab, who turned out, imo, to be civ.
I'll continue working on some others...