Ricochet wrote:7.1
rabbit8 wrote:Ricochet wrote:A countereffect of a law that's in no way mentioned in that law sounds like too much crazy stuff happening backstage.
Balancing effect. I used them in a lot of my games.
Well balance comes in the Host design. The Law's content is not the Host's creation. At the very best the Host could moderate the Law the Presidents creates, if necessary, but once issued, if there are "balancing" issues and the Host would need to modify something, again, it would sound like too much crazy backstage stuff. Henceforth, I see not reason to believe a clause that the first baddie Cylon's claim and survival would trigger something, if purely based on the Law.
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7.2
Glorfindel wrote:Ricochet wrote:So no chance of hearing from you why you think you survived the lynch, if it wasn't for you claiming Cylon, huh? Image
Or let me try to understand. Mafia was "perfectly executing" a plan to lynch you (and sig), upon which you claimed Cylon, and Mafia suddenly scrambled to push you further in the lynch. Which you survived.
So you've thwarted Mafia's plan to lynch you by claiming, which resulted in... you... getting lynched.
What about Dex and Polo makes you think they've contributed to the "stitch-up". Polo voted Zebra and Dex was the first to vote you, way ahead of the Day Phase.
Interesting that you mention nothing of players like Matt, G-Man, Sig or Bea, who actively pushed you ahead, nor do you bring up players like DrumBeats or Rabbit, who might look like having tried to even out sig (which, according to you, was also unjustly hunted) with you in the tally, at least for a while. Do they deserve a closer look or not?
Let me just say - I have been playing Mafia games now for just on three years and this Town team is continuing to demonstrate that it is the most inept of any that I have been a part. All I see is this myopic view of the game, it's mechanics and its players. I see next to no objective analysis and lots of bizarre theorizing (G-Man's rainbow list voting records excluded).
I'm sure you've been told this before, but your ways to appeal to your playing years and to emotion are absolutely wild, at every opportunity. I will just say that this paragraph doesn't give me any answers. Objective analysis? Go on then, I've specifically asked you how a number of player (Dex, Matt, G-Man, Sig, Bea - on the side voting you; Polo - on the sideline voting side; Beats or Rabbit - on the voting sig side) look from Day Six lynch and
you tell me nothing. Objectively, myopically or otherwise. Is this your idea of being straightforward, while thee rest of us are supposed "myopic", "inept", hooked on "bizarre theory" juju, etc.? Post. On. Point.
Glorfindel wrote:I see a lot of people continuing to suspect me. The PROOF that I'm Cylon lay in the proposition that had I claimed immunity under the Cylon Amnesty Act and been the leading wagon at the EoD, the player with the next largest wagon would've been eliminated.
FACT: That didn't happen. Despite how you subjectively interpret whatever happened there is NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE to support that view.
Indeed, there is no 100% proof and evidence and, unless you got that impression from someone else, I see no reason to assume such certainty. Nevertheless, I would say we are
closer to such evidence, based on... actually see below.
Glorfindel wrote:
People assume that what happened was a save on Sig by someone. Again, this is conjecture and was based on the ASSSUMPTION that the lynch passed to him on the basis of what I've written above. No one has yet considered the possibility that the save was on me. I'd like to think that someone out there (even if they won't declare it publicly) is convinced that there is some substance to the way I've interpreted this game.
To be fair, I raised the issue of you having been the save one, but then I found counter-arguments rather convincing. The main one concerning why you went to the trouble of
Cylon claiming, if the outcome of you
being saved, would have been familiar or expected in your mind. Can you rebut on this, on point?
I'm willing to look at all substances in which to interpret this game, you just have to be more on point about what I should take into consideration
and how can that hold up in light of events that have occured.
Glorfindel wrote:
And yet, what do I find here this morning? Wild assumptions about Presidential lines of success, etc. I don't categorise this as analysis, I think a better analogy would Nero fiddling while Rome burns and all the time, the Mafia are there throwing more fuel on the fire... And yes, I still maintain that this game is rapidly slipping from our grasp. From the content of the discussions I've seen so far this Night phase I seriously and genuinely doubt our Team even possesses the capacity to win this game
Never asked you about any of this. Never asked you about town chances. I frankly also don't care about your views on how bad town is supposed to be doing. It's irrelevant to the energy I invest in this game and the spirit in which I play, and it's always just an added paragraph of (to quote Epig) "doom and gloom" that's not relevant to the topics I wish to discuss with you.
Please let us discuss topics on point, the rest of your recurrent impressions are prolix and of no "objective" substance.
To recap the topics I want to discuss and what I've gotten so far from you:
1. How are we to treat your Day Six survival, outside the posibility that your Cylon claim was genuine? | You partially expressed the view that you might have been saved, but you didn't argument it, you've just made an appeal to people being obtuse.
2. You've nominated Dex and Polo and suspects. How did they contribute to the lynches, in a suspicious way? | You never answered.
3. Why do none of the players who actually pushed you close to lynch bother you? Do any of them bother you with how they voted on Day Six? Let's talk Matt, G-Man, Bea, on sig you've already answered. | You never answered.
4. Why do none of the players who actually pushed sig close to lynch bother you, if you claim that both you and sig were in a position to be mislynched, mistreated, manipulated into dying by Mafia? This means DrumBeats and Rabbit. | You never answered.
Let's talk these on point. Not with "you know, I've played this game for so long"; not with "oh the town's perspectives are so deplorable"; not with "I see no winning horizon for the <<Team>>"; not with "nobody understands me".
On point.