[ENDGAME] Triskaidekaphobia Mafia

#251

Thank you for answering, it seemed genuine. I will move my vote to Vompatti for now. I am not usually one to move my vote around like this. But your response was pleasantly surprising.

Day 1 #8

#252

Elohcin wrote:Thank you for answering, it seemed genuine. I will move my vote to Vompatti for now. I am not usually one to move my vote around like this. But your response was pleasantly surprising.

Day 1 #8

Do you think JJJ is telling the truth about dog? What's your feeling on JJJ?
Is there anything particularly surprising about sig's response?

#253

So I know I saw Polo lurking for about 3 minutes today and didn't bother posting anything. I could very well move my vote over there. His absence is beginning to annoy me.

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#254

rabbit8 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Ok SVS, I trust you. I'm civ.

Yo rabbit, why are we bad for voting no lynch?

rabbit8 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:This may come as a shock to people who know me, but I'm voting no Lynch
Screams baddie to me. You want no lynch, no info. I think it's bad, looks civvie cause, yay I voted to not lynch someone that could be a civ. But we gain nothing from no lynch, IMO.

This goes for Wigly and Quinn as well.

rabbit8 wrote:@INH: Twitch your eyebrow on day 1 is good enough, IMO, to vote for someone. Thus one reason I'm about ready to give SVS a vote. She brought up sig just to bring him up while saying he was just saying something. I really think she was trying to get others to get a twitch from sig.

But you're advocating a no lynch. I don't agree with you. I have to wonder if a baddie is hiding behind the no lynch to look civvie. I will be looking at you three early no lynch voters harder.

@Scotty: I don't think there would be an indy in this game, but you never know. So clarification is good.

Yo, Wigs, ISO is yo friend. I doubt all the no lynch voters are bad.... Nice place to hide though....

Oh lol, my bad. I misread/generalized what you had stated. Why would you state that I'm hiding?

@Sig imma slap you with my toe! (but only if you are into that kind of thing)

#255

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Okay Eloh, who else are you not liking right now?

@Wilgy if you pay me enough I could be into that?

#256

Why do I have votes?

#257

Vompatti wrote:Why do I have votes?

You care?

#258

Vompatti wrote:Why do I have votes?

Why shouldn't you have votes?

Post 12

#259

Scotty wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Why do I have votes?
Why shouldn't you have votes?

Post 12

Sorry this should read: for the lulz.

Post 13

#260

Polo, you should temporarily self vote if you're silenced. I keep seeing you but no posts have come on Day 1.

#261

Scotty wrote:So I know I saw Polo lurking for about 3 minutes today and didn't bother posting anything. I could very well move my vote over there. His absence is beginning to annoy me.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Polo, you should temporarily self vote if you're silenced. I keep seeing you but no posts have come on Day 1.

Three minutes. Keep seeing you. Jesus. Don't you guys give anybody time to read the giant dumps you take in threads?

#262

The thread is puny.

#263

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Why do I have votes?
You care?

Not rly k

#264

Vompatti wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Why do I have votes?
You care?
Not rly k

Too late, you already showed investment. Bad look.

#265

Polo's gone. Vote at will.

#266

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Why do I have votes?
You care?
Not rly k
Too late, you already showed investment. Bad look.

My death shall be avenged.

#267

Scotty wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Thank you for answering, it seemed genuine. I will move my vote to Vompatti for now. I am not usually one to move my vote around like this. But your response was pleasantly surprising.

Day 1 #8
Do you think JJJ is telling the truth about dog? What's your feeling on JJJ?
Is there anything particularly surprising about sig's response?

I don't know what I missed about "dog", but I have no clue what you're talking about. I mean, I have literally searched for the word "dog" and only see it in your post when you say JJJ peeked dog.

As for my feelings on JJJ. I am not paying too much attention to his claims. I don't think we can put too much weight on it yet. Players claim things all the time (whether it be about themselves or others) that may or may not be true. I'm not too concerned. It could go like this:
1. he is the cop. Yay, he can help us find mafia.
2. he is not the cop, but the real cop is too scared to come forth b/c he might get nightkilled so we keep on thinking he's the cop
3. he's not the cop, but the real cop calls him out on it (but who's to say that the player who calls him out on it is the real cop. maybe the player who calls him out is just concerned that JJJ IS the real cop and is afraid the mafia will kill him, so he claims to be cop as a distraction to the mafia)
4. Maybe there is no damn cop in this game so we all go on thinking JJJ must be the cop.
There is way too much speculation that can happen on this subject, so I say

sig's response was calm and collected. this makes me think he is civ.

@ sig - I am not sure who else I am considering. I think it will partly depend on scotty's response to this post

#268

that was #9, this is #10

#269

Epignosis wrote:Polo's gone. Vote at will.

But Will isn't playing this game! Naughty Epi and his silly vote suggestions.

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#270

Bunch of infodump noobs.

#271

Just finished reading thru the thread. I found nothing interesting, except the aforementioned G-Man "B" thing.

#272

Polo wrote:Just finished reading thru the thread. I found nothing interesting, except the aforementioned G-Man "B" thing.

Most anticlimactic post of all time.

#273

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Polo wrote:Just finished reading thru the thread. I found nothing interesting, except the aforementioned G-Man "B" thing.
Most anticlimactic post of all time.

Bullsuit.

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#274

What is bullsuit?

#275

This is exciting. Maybe I'll finally get my no lynch result.

Some early observations that I found interesting:

- I'm seeing INH as much, much more aggressive in this game than I have before. He accuses 3J of shutting down any conversations where the other person has a different viewpoint, a point which is easily discredited just by looking at his posts. He also votes no lynch for unclear reasons.

- 3J was pretty quick to town read quite a few people. I get that 'it's never too early to form an opinion' but I think an hour into day 0 is surprisingly quick.

- SVS says things just for the sake of saying it. Feigning activity or just looking to contribute? Find out next time...

- Scotty says some stuff about relying on meta early on, which I agree with. He also twisted 3J's words about 'willing to be lynched' which ...I don't?

- rabbit waited until day 1 began to start pointing fingers, though he was here during day 0 for a very brief period.

- wilgy voted no lynch and i still dont think he's given a clear reason why.

- elohcin voted sig and ignored 3j's testimony that he was civ.

- vompatti votes no lynch for the lulz.

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#276

Quin wrote:
- elohcin voted sig and ignored 3j's testimony that he was civ.

What, I'm not allowed to think for myself?

#277

And, anyway, you're a little behind, b/c I changed my vote a while ago.

Day 1 #12

#278

Elohcin wrote:
Quin wrote:
- elohcin voted sig and ignored 3j's testimony that he was civ.

What, I'm not allowed to think for myself?

No, but you didn't address his post at all. That's why I found it interesting. And I know you didn't keep your vote, but it was there at one point.

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#279

Which direction do you lean on the players you mentioned, Quin?

#280

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Which direction do you lean on the players you mentioned, Quin?

What about you?

I'm reading you, Scotty, Wilgy and elohcin as good, and the rest as bad, with the exception of SVS, who I'm pretty torn between right now.

#281

Have you ever wondered why civilians seem to lose an awful lot? Or why nobody gets lynched Day 1?

Hi. I'm Troy McClure. You may remember me from such films as Adverbs are the Devil and What to Do When JaggedJimmyJay Thinks You're Scum.

I'm here today to talk to you about No Lynch options, and why they are a danger to society.

Every day, hardworking civilians, like yourselves, come to the poll to cast a vote so that the evil among you may be purged. You are doing God's work and making our town safer by your actions. Good for you!

Then one day, a neighbor shows you an alternative method: No Lynch Voting. He says that if you're unsure of yourself, you can safely vote there, and everything will be OK.

Haha...if only that were true!

The truth is, supporting a No Lynch means you are okay allowing the corrupt to strike first. It means being comfortable with the chance that your voice isn't heard before having your throat cut in the night and your lifeblood spill out all over your satin sheets. It means sacrificing a slim chance of raining death upon your enemy in exchange for absolutely no chance of raining death upon your enemy.

And where's the fun is that?

So the next time this well-meaning neighbor knocks on your door and asks you to consider a No Lynch, look him in the eye and tell him "Troy McClure wants you to know that I'm not a sucker, sucker."

And while you're hunting mafia, look out for me in an upcoming special, "The Simpsons Mafia, hosted by nijuukyugou and Epignosis."

#282

Spacedaisy wrote:Svs, That's not how I meant that. I meant that I wasn't asking to try to solicit his opinion of myself, I was asking because I was curious about his opinion on others. I'm not stressed about me because I know my role, lol. If someone suspects me they are more than welcome to share it so I can address any suspicions of course.

I'm trying to decide whether I find this post suspicious. I believe what Daisy said at face value -- that it wasn't her intent to solicit a read on her from me. However, the language here is collected in such a way that it feels rehearsed.

I dunno, it sounds weak as I type it. Thoughts?

#283

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Which direction do you lean on the players you mentioned, Quin?
What about you?

I'm reading you, Scotty, Wilgy and elohcin as good, and the rest as bad, with the exception of SVS, who I'm pretty torn between right now.

I'll try to make a meaningful read on everyone when I get back to my laptop.

#284

Quin wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Quin wrote:
- elohcin voted sig and ignored 3j's testimony that he was civ.

What, I'm not allowed to think for myself?
No, but you didn't address his post at all. That's why I found it interesting. And I know you didn't keep your vote, but it was there at one point.

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I don't find it necessary to address everyone's opinion on the person I am voting for. Lord knows players don't address my opinions 95% of the time.

#13

Linki, Epi. Haha!!

reason #568 why I married Epi. He could always make me laugh.

#285

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Svs, That's not how I meant that. I meant that I wasn't asking to try to solicit his opinion of myself, I was asking because I was curious about his opinion on others. I'm not stressed about me because I know my role, lol. If someone suspects me they are more than welcome to share it so I can address any suspicions of course.
I'm trying to decide whether I find this post suspicious. I believe what Daisy said at face value -- that it wasn't her intent to solicit a read on her from me. However, the language here is collected in such a way that it feels rehearsed.

I dunno, it sounds weak as I type it. Thoughts?

SD comes across to me as a collected sort of person, so at face value I think it's sincere.

linki: fair point, but what 3j said wasn't an opinion, it was a fact, assuming he's telling the truth anyway. i just think it's interesting that you didn't address at least that post.

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#286

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Which direction do you lean on the players you mentioned, Quin?
What about you?

I'm reading you, Scotty, Wilgy and elohcin as good, and the rest as bad, with the exception of SVS, who I'm pretty torn between right now.
I'll try to make a meaningful read on everyone when I get back to my laptop.

I'll say a bit about everyone and then conclude with a GTH read.

DrWilgy: I don't really take issue with his handful of goofy posts. The only problem is the no lynch vote. I do think his treatment of that vote and the way he has wielded it in the game thread when interacting with others looks like a player trying to use the vote as a tool rather than as a true reflection of his desired final vote. He seems to be throwing it around and seeing how people respond to it, and I think that effort looks nice for him. This depends on what happens to that vote later in Day 1.

GTH town.

Elohcin: I'm not sure I like how she has treated sig, beyond the obvious (my n0 peek). I think his response to being listed alongside Epi, Scotty, and I as the "good players" was believable and not confusing (don't sell yourself short sig). I don't think there's anything suspicious about that; I really don't think it has much bearing on anything at all. He was surprised to be given such credit for his skill. On the flip side, I think her most recent indignant response to Quin's question about her disregard for my peek smells rather town. I appreciate her effort to this point too, which suits her preference for smaller games.

GTH town.

Epignosis: I'm not lynching him today after that post he just made denouncing no lynches.

He's been on the quieter side of things so far, but I wouldn't say I've taken issue with the things he has said. His gripe at Scotty and I for our bullying of Polo looked more sincere than not.

GTH town.

G-Man: I'm not sure what to do with his posts. One observation I make is that despite having a few longer and more thorough posts, he hasn't really planted his flag anywhere yet save for declaring two pings in his very first post (on INH and I). I would expect to see some manner of progression in his hunting efforts, even this early.

GTH mafia.

insertnamehere: He and I have disagreed on some strategic and philosophical aspects of how Mafia is and should be played. That looks familiar. I'd like to see more reads from him since the brunt of his content is his reactions/responses to my posts. I think the parallel he drew between my posts and his own "chaos independent" thing from a prior game might be telling, but I'd prefer he answer my call to expand on that before I state what I mean exactly. Generally I think his minor antagonism with me is consistent with our brief history playing together so far.

GTH town.

Polo: He caught up and had nothing to say.

That's not necessarily a big deal, but it's certainly boring and leaves me no way of providing a meaningful read. My patience is finite.

GTH town.

Quin: We disagree thoroughly on the merits of a no lynch. I think he has been the most overtly town-looking player in the game despite that. I have no issue with him right now.

GTH town.

rabbit8: I felt his accusations of S~V~S were fair and understandable. I could see myself making the same accusations from my own town mindset had I noticed them first.

GTH town.

Scotty: We got off to a rocky start, sorta. He was half my first real suspect and half the chance recipient of my first hard interrogation -- that doesn't mean as much as it would later in the game. I think he has seemed okay since. I appreciate his level of motivation.

GTH town.

sig: Pre-game peek. Town.

Spacedaisy: She has a pretty safe early post history. Maybe it should have been her that I interrogated first instead of Scotty regarding the "controversy" surrounding my claim that I'd rather be lynched myself than endure a no lynch. She was the first to bite on that. I think she might also best fit the profile of the low-emotion/moderate content player who seems to be bad more often than the mean. I said this about Soneji in Turf Wars and he was bad. I said it about S~V~S in Battlestar Galactica and she was bad. Daisy is the first person I've had that thought about this time.

GTH mafia.

S~V~S: As I said, I think rabbit's gripes were valid. Her treatment of sig was malleable enough that she could end this day either supporting or opposing him, and either way it'd be consistent with her initial take on him. That's not ideal, especially when it's sig -- everyone's favorite mislynch.

GTH mafia.

Vompatti: He made a game-relevant post. Two people voted for him and he asked why. He cared. I am not sure I've ever seen Vompatti care about anything in a Mafia game before, and I've never seen him as a baddie to my memory. That might be meaningful. When he's bad he kind of has to care at least a little bit for his team's sake -- they're counting on him not to get lynched on Day 1.

GTH mafia.

~~~

Gimme those delicious thoughts, protests, accusations, or whatever else you might have to offer. I'm thirsty for your posts, my friends.

#287

My vote, as it stands right now, is going to either Scotty or insertnamehere.

#288

Moving my vote to SPACEDAISY for the time being.

#289

Epignosis wrote:My vote, as it stands right now, is going to either Scotty or insertnamehere.

Tell me about Scotty.

#290

GTH:
Vompatti and Eloh if JJJ is good. SVS is good. Rabbit bad if JJJ is bad. Sig is bad if Eloh is good. I suppose that would also mean that Rabbit JJJ and Sig could be on a team.

Gman is slightly bad... His scumdoodlin is not reliant on other players yo.

@Sig, how about 2 full grown roosters?

@Rabbit, who's on your team?

#291

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Svs, That's not how I meant that. I meant that I wasn't asking to try to solicit his opinion of myself, I was asking because I was curious about his opinion on others. I'm not stressed about me because I know my role, lol. If someone suspects me they are more than welcome to share it so I can address any suspicions of course.
I'm trying to decide whether I find this post suspicious. I believe what Daisy said at face value -- that it wasn't her intent to solicit a read on her from me. However, the language here is collected in such a way that it feels rehearsed.

I dunno, it sounds weak as I type it. Thoughts?
SD comes across to me as a collected sort of person, so at face value I think it's sincere.

linki: fair point, but what 3j said wasn't an opinion, it was a fact, assuming he's telling the truth anyway. i just think it's interesting that you didn't address at least that post.

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Have you ever hosted? I've not hosted much, but in the few games I have I can tell you that players lie, civ and mafia alike. And sometimes civs lie b/c they feel its best for the town. Sometimes b/c they just want a reaction. You never know. So, please bare with me as I take time to decide whether I trust someone or not. Thank you, kindly

#14 and I'm off to bed

#292

Elohcin wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Svs, That's not how I meant that. I meant that I wasn't asking to try to solicit his opinion of myself, I was asking because I was curious about his opinion on others. I'm not stressed about me because I know my role, lol. If someone suspects me they are more than welcome to share it so I can address any suspicions of course.
I'm trying to decide whether I find this post suspicious. I believe what Daisy said at face value -- that it wasn't her intent to solicit a read on her from me. However, the language here is collected in such a way that it feels rehearsed.

I dunno, it sounds weak as I type it. Thoughts?
SD comes across to me as a collected sort of person, so at face value I think it's sincere.

linki: fair point, but what 3j said wasn't an opinion, it was a fact, assuming he's telling the truth anyway. i just think it's interesting that you didn't address at least that post.

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Have you ever hosted? I've not hosted much, but in the few games I have I can tell you that players lie, civ and mafia alike. And sometimes civs lie b/c they feel its best for the town. Sometimes b/c they just want a reaction. You never know. So, please bare with me as I take time to decide whether I trust someone or not. Thank you, kindly

#14 and I'm off to bed

I've never lied once in my life!

#293

Elohcin wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Svs, That's not how I meant that. I meant that I wasn't asking to try to solicit his opinion of myself, I was asking because I was curious about his opinion on others. I'm not stressed about me because I know my role, lol. If someone suspects me they are more than welcome to share it so I can address any suspicions of course.
I'm trying to decide whether I find this post suspicious. I believe what Daisy said at face value -- that it wasn't her intent to solicit a read on her from me. However, the language here is collected in such a way that it feels rehearsed.

I dunno, it sounds weak as I type it. Thoughts?
SD comes across to me as a collected sort of person, so at face value I think it's sincere.

linki: fair point, but what 3j said wasn't an opinion, it was a fact, assuming he's telling the truth anyway. i just think it's interesting that you didn't address at least that post.

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Have you ever hosted? I've not hosted much, but in the few games I have I can tell you that players lie, civ and mafia alike. And sometimes civs lie b/c they feel its best for the town. Sometimes b/c they just want a reaction. You never know. So, please bare with me as I take time to decide whether I trust someone or not. Thank you, kindly

#14 and I'm off to bed

I have hosted before and I'm completely aware of everything you just said. What I'm saying is that even if you disagreed or thought he was lying, it is simply interesting that you didn't acknowledge the post.

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#294

Elohcin wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Svs, That's not how I meant that. I meant that I wasn't asking to try to solicit his opinion of myself, I was asking because I was curious about his opinion on others. I'm not stressed about me because I know my role, lol. If someone suspects me they are more than welcome to share it so I can address any suspicions of course.
I'm trying to decide whether I find this post suspicious. I believe what Daisy said at face value -- that it wasn't her intent to solicit a read on her from me. However, the language here is collected in such a way that it feels rehearsed.

I dunno, it sounds weak as I type it. Thoughts?
SD comes across to me as a collected sort of person, so at face value I think it's sincere.

linki: fair point, but what 3j said wasn't an opinion, it was a fact, assuming he's telling the truth anyway. i just think it's interesting that you didn't address at least that post.

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Have you ever hosted? I've not hosted much, but in the few games I have I can tell you that players lie, civ and mafia alike. And sometimes civs lie b/c they feel its best for the town. Sometimes b/c they just want a reaction. You never know. So, please bare with me as I take time to decide whether I trust someone or not. Thank you, kindly

#14 and I'm off to bed

Asking another man to bare with you?

Mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm.

#295

Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Svs, That's not how I meant that. I meant that I wasn't asking to try to solicit his opinion of myself, I was asking because I was curious about his opinion on others. I'm not stressed about me because I know my role, lol. If someone suspects me they are more than welcome to share it so I can address any suspicions of course.
I'm trying to decide whether I find this post suspicious. I believe what Daisy said at face value -- that it wasn't her intent to solicit a read on her from me. However, the language here is collected in such a way that it feels rehearsed.

I dunno, it sounds weak as I type it. Thoughts?
SD comes across to me as a collected sort of person, so at face value I think it's sincere.

linki: fair point, but what 3j said wasn't an opinion, it was a fact, assuming he's telling the truth anyway. i just think it's interesting that you didn't address at least that post.

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Have you ever hosted? I've not hosted much, but in the few games I have I can tell you that players lie, civ and mafia alike. And sometimes civs lie b/c they feel its best for the town. Sometimes b/c they just want a reaction. You never know. So, please bare with me as I take time to decide whether I trust someone or not. Thank you, kindly

#14 and I'm off to bed
Asking another man to bare with you?

Mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm.

She's moved on.

#296

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Polo: He caught up and had nothing to say. That's not necessarily a big deal, but it's certainly boring and leaves me no way of providing a meaningful read. My patience is finite.

GTH town.

Wait so since he didn't give you anything to work off of, he's not worthy of your vote?
Well damn, if it's that easy, then I'll just wear a diaper to work since I can't be bothered to go to the public bathroom.

Epignosis wrote:My vote, as it stands right now, is going to either Scotty or insertnamehere.

Tell me more about this potential Scotty vote.

*waves hand* These are not the droids you are looking for

#297

Elohcin wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Thank you for answering, it seemed genuine. I will move my vote to Vompatti for now. I am not usually one to move my vote around like this. But your response was pleasantly surprising.

Day 1 #8
Do you think JJJ is telling the truth about dog? What's your feeling on JJJ?
Is there anything particularly surprising about sig's response?
I don't know what I missed about "dog", but I have no clue what you're talking about. I mean, I have literally searched for the word "dog" and only see it in your post when you say JJJ peeked dog.

As for my feelings on JJJ. I am not paying too much attention to his claims. I don't think we can put too much weight on it yet. Players claim things all the time (whether it be about themselves or others) that may or may not be true. I'm not too concerned. It could go like this:
1. he is the cop. Yay, he can help us find mafia.
2. he is not the cop, but the real cop is too scared to come forth b/c he might get nightkilled so we keep on thinking he's the cop
3. he's not the cop, but the real cop calls him out on it (but who's to say that the player who calls him out on it is the real cop. maybe the player who calls him out is just concerned that JJJ IS the real cop and is afraid the mafia will kill him, so he claims to be cop as a distraction to the mafia)
4. Maybe there is no damn cop in this game so we all go on thinking JJJ must be the cop.
There is way too much speculation that can happen on this subject, so I say

sig's response was calm and collected. this makes me think he is civ.

@ sig - I am not sure who else I am considering. I think it will partly depend on scotty's response to this post

Lol "sig" always corrects on my phone to "dog" and these days I have a 40% chance to miss the autocorrect. And sometimes I just leave it because I like dogs.

I agree that those are the scenarios for JJJ, but which of 1-4 do you believe JJJ is doing?

As for sig...I keep going back to what he said in a past game: if he appears civ, he is probably bad, so lynch him. When he is obviously bad, he's probably good.

I don't know how that translates to this game, but I'm not pushing it since I'm still playing along with the scenario that JJJ is in fact the cop.

#298

Scotty wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Polo: He caught up and had nothing to say. That's not necessarily a big deal, but it's certainly boring and leaves me no way of providing a meaningful read. My patience is finite.

GTH town.
Wait so since he didn't give you anything to work off of, he's not worthy of your vote?
Well damn, if it's that easy, then I'll just wear a diaper to work since I can't be bothered to go to the public bathroom.

I don't think a total lack of effort is inherently suspicious. That's easy button crap. He might be bad, but I have more confidence in other reads.

#299

Breakfast time! Catching up on the thread now. I will do my ISO's over lunch and vote for someone around the time I leave work for the day.

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#300

Brief catch-up was brief. I'll post some thoughts once I get into the office.

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