[ENDGAME] Triskaidekaphobia Mafia

#451

Quin, I was looking at three votes for Vomps, up against four votes for no lynch. I was pretty clear that I thought a no lynch was a bad idea from the time I first came in the thread. Basically I could vote for Vomps to try and get rid of the no lynch direction, or I could have thrown my vote away on someone else. I think the only one anywhere even close at the time was SVS and I didn't feel any more about her than Vomps. So you think I should have thrown my vote to the wind instead? I voted for the result I preferred, even if I was not particularly partial to lynching Vomps specifically. Sorry if you take issue with that, but it is what it is.

#452

I should clarify, that when I began writing my post, that was the vote tally, by the time I tried to post it Jay had changed his vote to Vomps as well, making my vote the one that put him over the no lynch option.

#453

Spacedaisy wrote:Quin, I was looking at three votes for Vomps, up against four votes for no lynch. I was pretty clear that I thought a no lynch was a bad idea from the time I first came in the thread. Basically I could vote for Vomps to try and get rid of the no lynch direction, or I could have thrown my vote away on someone else. I think the only one anywhere even close at the time was SVS and I didn't feel any more about her than Vomps. So you think I should have thrown my vote to the wind instead? I voted for the result I preferred, even if I was not particularly partial to lynching Vomps specifically. Sorry if you take issue with that, but it is what it is.

As I said I think the way you (and rabbit as well, I'm putting you both on equal turf with this) went about your vote felt like you were voting just for the sake of lynching somebody and avoiding a no lynch. Wanting to lynch somebody without caring who just so somebody was lynched is pingy. You didn't make the 'at least we'll get information from the lynch' argument either so I doubt that was your motive. Why do you think you would be throwing your vote to the wind if you didn't vote for a top lynch candidate?

#454

DrWilgy wrote:@Eloh as well. To give the option. Nothing more. I didn't think that it would've been the choice vote anyways.

What benefit would you associate with giving another option?

#455

Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Quin, I was looking at three votes for Vomps, up against four votes for no lynch. I was pretty clear that I thought a no lynch was a bad idea from the time I first came in the thread. Basically I could vote for Vomps to try and get rid of the no lynch direction, or I could have thrown my vote away on someone else. I think the only one anywhere even close at the time was SVS and I didn't feel any more about her than Vomps. So you think I should have thrown my vote to the wind instead? I voted for the result I preferred, even if I was not particularly partial to lynching Vomps specifically. Sorry if you take issue with that, but it is what it is.
As I said I think the way you (and rabbit as well, I'm putting you both on equal turf with this) went about your vote felt like you were voting just for the sake of lynching somebody and avoiding a no lynch. Wanting to lynch somebody without caring who just so somebody was lynched is pingy. You didn't make the 'at least we'll get information from the lynch' argument either so I doubt that was your motive. Why do you think you would be throwing your vote to the wind if you didn't vote for a top lynch candidate?

Are you kidding me? My whole point was that I felt like a no lynch was a bad result because even a mislynch provides us some information. That was exactly my motivation. Sorry if I was not explicit enough, though I thought I was when I first discussed the no lynch idea. And it would be throwing my vote to the wind for two reasons. First of all, casting my vote somewhere else would essentially be to say, I'm going to stay on the sidelines instead of weighing in on whether I think Vomps should be lynched or no one should. Second, it would have been to say I was ok with a no lynch outcome which I have clearly said from the get go that I am not ok with a no lynch outcome.

#456

Do you not think voting and making a case for someone you were actually suspicious of would be a better use of your vote than just voting Vompatti to meet the end of ensuring someone was lynched? I don't consider that staying on the sidelines at all.

If you were to not vote Vompatti, who would have been your vote?

#457

Quin wrote:Do you not think voting and making a case for someone you were actually suspicious of would be a better use of your vote than just voting Vompatti to meet the end of ensuring someone was lynched? I don't consider that staying on the sidelines at all.

If you were to not vote Vompatti, who would have been your vote?

I went out for a date with my husband. I had not formed a strong suspicion that I saw a case on. If I had felt like I had someone that I strongly suspected I would have already said as much.

#458

DrWilgy wrote:@Eloh, SVS was the only other player with afew votes on her.

AH, got it. Thanks so much. Sorry I wasn't around for EoD.

Even still, if you thought SVS was civ, and didn't want her lynched, as you said, I am still confused you even offered her up. But I'm going to let it go for now. I don't like to fixate on one player/incident. Just know I will be watching you

Isn't Mafia fun?!

N1#3

#459

Oh gosh, I meant to talk about the poll too in my last post. Now I am on a bad number.

What is up with the poll? Any ideas?

#4

#460

#461

Quin wrote:Okay, I'm caught up.

I'll address the few people who believe that 3J is the actual cop as opposed to just having a n0 check. He claims to have had a random n0 cop check, which you may or may not believe, but he's made no mention of any continued use of that ability, leading me to think it was just a one-time use (unless I've missed something of course, in which case you should tell me). It's entirely possible that he is actually the cop and the two are separate, but even so I don't see anything I could call a claim unless I'm missing something in his ISO.

I think there are definitely baddies amongst the Vomp voters. Here's what reasoning I perceived from people's votes:

spacedaisy: No lynching is a bad idea - I disagree with the notion, but even so, she voted just for the sake of lynching somebody. To me it doesn't appear as though it mattered who.

SVS: Self-preservation - Totally okay with it.

Scotty: Disliked his reasoning for voting no lynch - I agree with his reasoning here considering he never said why.
Agreed with 3J's case - meh.

3J: Thinks Vompatti was more personally invested in the game than usual - It's a...very grey area for me to interpret but it wouldn't be enough to convince me to vote there.

elohcin: Thinks Vompatti wasn't acting normally - I have pretty much the same opinion as I do for 3J.

rabbit8: No reasoning whatsoever in his ISO. It's just there. His comment about the no lynchers makes me think he has the same mindset as spacedaisy, so my thought process is the same.

Yes, yes I did vote to lynch someone. Had Wigly came on before I had to vote I would have voted SVS with him.

#462

Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Quin, I was looking at three votes for Vomps, up against four votes for no lynch. I was pretty clear that I thought a no lynch was a bad idea from the time I first came in the thread. Basically I could vote for Vomps to try and get rid of the no lynch direction, or I could have thrown my vote away on someone else. I think the only one anywhere even close at the time was SVS and I didn't feel any more about her than Vomps. So you think I should have thrown my vote to the wind instead? I voted for the result I preferred, even if I was not particularly partial to lynching Vomps specifically. Sorry if you take issue with that, but it is what it is.
As I said I think the way you (and rabbit as well, I'm putting you both on equal turf with this) went about your vote felt like you were voting just for the sake of lynching somebody and avoiding a no lynch. Wanting to lynch somebody without caring who just so somebody was lynched is pingy. You didn't make the 'at least we'll get information from the lynch' argument either so I doubt that was your motive. Why do you think you would be throwing your vote to the wind if you didn't vote for a top lynch candidate?

Trying to avoid a lynch and let baddies kill at will is just as pingy as wanting to lynch someone IMO.

If we have the option to not lynch someone all game, how you gonna vote, Quinn? Absurd.

I wanted to lynch SVS, Wigly and all the votes for SVS came after I had time to switch my vote or I would have voted SVS to lynch her.

#463

#464

I'm not sure I like Rico's post right now.

RIP Vomp, we have three mafia members right? I think at least one was a no lyncher and one was on Vomp.

#465

I'll look at all the other Vompatti votes for any signs of opportunism.

Elohcin:

Spoiler: show

Elohcin was the first to raise concern about Vompatti. I can't fault her for her perspectives, because they are quite similar to my own. The case wasn't a strong one, but like I've said -- it never is with Vompatti.

rabbit8:

Spoiler: show

rabbit's reasons for voting Vompatti seem limited to the avoidance of a no lynch. He stated a few times that he'd prefer to lynch S~V~S, and the last spoilered post affirms that he would have done so after Wilgy's switch if he'd been present at the last second. If he was around and simply didn't live up to that pledge, that'd be a problem -- but I don't recall seeing him here.

Scotty:

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Vompatti wrote:I don't think we should rule out the possibility that the mafia could, to some extent, communicate telepathically.
Vompatti, what's your favorite food and why is it mushrooms?
Actually it's liver cassarole.
That was my next guess.

Scotty wrote:I have no idea but that would be nice. I hope this is my 11th post. I did list of posts counts that won't fly, and once you get into the 20's in a cycle, it gets pretty hairy. I would advise everyone to do the same, or else "stuff" will happen.

Like Vompatti being thrown out the airlock for insubordination.

So say we all.

Scotty wrote:I can look at someone like, say, Vompatti, and say "hey, he's not pushing any buttons, and has only offenses the Russians thus far this phase. He is [alignment] because of this." But I don't know Adam from Eve in day 1 in what makes someone look or sound suspicious with any level of certainty. Again, I envy that skillset, but I don't have it yet. I have to use it eventually, but that's not how I operate predominantly in Day 1.

Scotty wrote:I'm voting Vompatti right now. He wants a no-lynch because lulz, and I'm not buying it.

Scotty wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Why do I have votes?
Why shouldn't you have votes?

Post 12
Sorry this should read: for the lulz.

Post 13

Scotty wrote:I'm also quite underwhelmed with Polo's catch up post, even though Vomps is still doing nothing to make me feel better about moving my vote.

I wouldn't mind voting for either of these guys. Tomatoes/Potatoes. Switching to Polo for now.

Post 17

Scotty wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think we need to agree on a lynch as a group so we can overcome this abysmal no lynch wagon. I could lynch Vompatti.
Ok, I'm fine with this. He's a worse look to you than Polo? Come is a ball of unraveled yarn being sold at full price on the shelf. Polo is a can of albacore tuna being sold as yellowfin. To me anyway.

Scotty wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Scotty wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think we need to agree on a lynch as a group so we can overcome this abysmal no lynch wagon. I could lynch Vompatti.
Ok, I'm fine with this. He's a worse look to you than Polo? Come is a ball of unraveled yarn being sold at full price on the shelf. Polo is a can of albacore tuna being sold as yellowfin. To me anyway./quote]

This looks like it came out of the insanifier.

Polo is the standard issue bottom-tier content guy that's in every game. In my experience, that's not a strong indicator that someone is bad. He could be, but I have no clue. Vompatti has at least shown evidence that he cares about receiving votes (which I wouldn't anticipate from him in his town body), and he also contributed to the awful no lynch wagon.
I thought Polo contributed plenty of content early on in SockWars. This doesn't look like the same Polo as i saw in there, but hey. It's different strokes for different people I guess. I agree with your view of Vomps. If nobody bites on Pol, I'll switch my voteZ

Post 20

Scotty wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Scotty wrote:I thought Polo contributed plenty of content early on in SockWars. This doesn't look like the same Polo as i saw in there, but hey. It's different strokes for different people I guess.
Polo was also a major contributor in Battlestar Galactica. That's kind of the problem for me, actually. Are we going to say that Polo's meta can be described as simply as "active = town, inactive = scum"? He strikes me as quite a capable player. When he gives us so little, I feel inclined to give him a little time to find his footing.
I'm not one to usually follow meta, as I've said before. But I figured you were and would be more likely to take issue with that. His gameplay in BSG I didn't even register.

My day 1 is much more voting for someone that is not participatory and doesn't seem to take issue about it, not just how they usually act. As such, Vomps and Polo are my suspicions right now.

If the President of the United States was playing and was just like "hey guys, nah I don't feel like talking because there's nothing to talk about, PEACE" I would vote him faster than you can say Wilkes Booth.

i understand I am probably now on a watch list for that comment

Post 21

Scotty wrote:I'm in rehearsal but voted Vomps to put him ahead.

For the lulz.

Post 23

Some of this looks a little cooked.

"He wants a no lynch because lulz, and I'm not buying it." -- stronger wording against Vompatti than anyone else provided. This actually strikes me as one of the more typical Vompatti actions on Day 1 (voting for anything "for the lulz", so that this particular thing perturbed Scotty enough for an "I'm not buying it" is a bit much.

He has an established history now of pursuing non-contributors on Day 1 in past games. Epignosis suggested he might overplaying this method; going after Polo and Vomps exclusively because he was "incapable" of seeing something more meaningful in the content that does exist. Maybe there's validity to that.

Spacedaisy:

Spoiler: show

Avoidance of the no lynch is the only reason provided. This vote put Vomps at 5, one vote ahead of no lynch. It's not extremely alarming, but it's not inspiring either. At this point anyone voting no lynch would have been heavily scrutinized, so this was the only move on the table for any baddies still needing to vote. She commented once before this on the merits of no lynching:

Spoiler: show

Hers could be a baddie vote but it doesn't have to be one.

S~V~S:

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Guys, I am so sorry, I completely forgot about this game. Between rl & my recent "mafia break" mindset, I totally lost track.

Will catch up after work, and you always want to lynch me, Rabbit. I am not bad, and lynching me would do no good, although you would not be losing a valuable role with me, either.

It's possible. It's only day one and you're my biggest ping.
it's true

I will catch up when I get home, why does Jay want to lynch Vomps?

S~V~S wrote:
G-Man wrote:Better vote now while I have time. I am voting for S~V~S. I think rabbit was on to something.

1.21
I think you're paranoid I am as vanilla as a wafer.

No one posted the Vomps thing, and not sure how much catch up time I have. But I will try. I would rather die than vote for a no lynch, so I won;t do that to save myself if push comes to shove. Then the people who complacently said things like, "I think he was on to something" or "I would rather lynch SVS than..." without any reasoning will be exposed. We already had Day Zero, we don't need it again.

Linki, Or that vote for instance. Way fishy. Why, sig?

S~V~S wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I will catch up when I get home, why does Jay want to lynch Vomps?
He has shown more personal investment in his stake in this game than I'm used to seeing (asking why people voted for him, looking for input from people about where to place his vote). He plopped a fourth vote on the no lynch wagon.

I don't pretend it's a terribly compelling case. I don't think a compelling case is possible with Vompatti though, whether on Day 1 or Day 10. He doesn't allow that when he spends his posts saying whatever he feels like saying. If I perceive any reason at all to suspect him, that means more to me than the average player -- because he has to be dealt with somehow and this represents a unique opportunity where it might be based on something instead of "he's not helping us".
OK, I just saw this. Thanks. I will look for that, cause yeah, he does tend to be more on point when bad. He is a responsible teammate.

S~V~S wrote:Interesting that both G Man and sig are voting based on Rabbit, who himself says it is just a day one ping based on history. Maybe then they can blame him if I flip civ? (and I will )

I am going to vote to stop a no lynch more so than to stop my own lynch. I am not in Mafia mode, and maybe something can be learned from my lynch. When I said I would rather be lynched than have a no lynch, I meant that.

I have someone coming for dinner, so I will definitely vote before the end, but prolly not say much more unless I find something in my readback. I just quick reread Vomps, and he did not seem all THAT topical, if you know what I mean.

S~V~S wrote:And anyone that votes no lynch now is basically outing themselves and Vomp, imo.

I have no idea how many posts I have today. I think this is 17. Guest is here, will be back to vote and make a safety post ha ha.

Linki, OK, so you are voting for me becasue Rabbit & I have been a good baddie in the past, so you think I am bad in this game too, hrm, sig? Your gut is not good if you think I am bad, siggi.

S~V~S wrote:I am watching a German movie with subtitles so I have to pay attention. Gonna vote Vomps just in case.

S~V~S voted for self-preservation when the lead wagons were herself and Vompatti at the last second. Anyone can do that regardless of alignment, so I am not bothered. I brought up her relevant posts anyway. She sought information from the thread about the case against Vompatti, received it, and investigated for herself (she determined he didn't seem "that topical", probably suggesting she wasn't sold on voting for him). I don't really take issue with any of this, and at face value I think her pledge to allow herself to be lynched before allowing a no lynch reads as genuine.

~~~

When the wagons are Vompatti versus no lynch at the time of most of these votes, it's difficult to draw significant conclusions. I think Scotty's vote is the most questionable. Daisy's is the only other that makes me at all uncomfortable. Technically rabbit's isn't terribly different from Daisy's, but I appreciate that he had a preferred alternative in mind and was a bad traffic night short of getting his wish.

#466

sig wrote:I'm not sure I like Rico's post right now.

RIP Vomp, we have three mafia members right? I think at least one was a no lyncher and one was on Vomp.

At 14 players, I think the most likely ratios are 11/3 or 10/3/1. 10/4 would be extremely difficult for any town.

#467

A question for Epignosis:

Epignosis wrote:For Scotty, he's overplaying the "I'm bad at Days 1" card. This post in particular gave me the impression that he was preemptively undermining any effort anybody else put forth in determining if his own content was coming from a good or bad mindset.

Epignosis wrote:I voted INH. I have blooper company in less than an hour. I must make citrus salmon with homemade salsa for fish tacos.

Your two preferences on Day 1 were Scotty and INH. I think Scotty was a more-consensus suspect and stood a better chance of drawing enough votes to be a viable option than INH. So why did you elect to vote for INH instead of Scotty?

#468

Barring the existence of indie roles, there are three baddies in this game:

Ricochet wrote:
Day 1: Therapy by Lynch
....................

and here is the interesting bit, the fact that three people among you are actually bad people - convicts, mafiosos, killers, you name it.'

....................

'Three people among you have bogus claims of fears and are here simply to pressure or to persecute you. Their only real fear is being exposed. It'll be your job to force them out. The VR helmets would test the veracity of your claims and whether you can overcome your fears or succumb to the panic.'

....................

Day 1 has begun. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

I've got four ISO's left to do. Then I will update my GTH reads.

1.02.N

#469

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:A question for Epignosis:

Epignosis wrote:For Scotty, he's overplaying the "I'm bad at Days 1" card. This post in particular gave me the impression that he was preemptively undermining any effort anybody else put forth in determining if his own content was coming from a good or bad mindset.

Epignosis wrote:I voted INH. I have blooper company in less than an hour. I must make citrus salmon with homemade salsa for fish tacos.
Your two preferences on Day 1 were Scotty and INH. I think Scotty was a more-consensus suspect and stood a better chance of drawing enough votes to be a viable option than INH. So why did you elect to vote for INH instead of Scotty?

Was he? Nobody voted for him at all.

I voted the fellow I had a more reasoned stance on.

#470

Epignosis wrote:Was he? Nobody voted for him at all.

True, the votes weren't there. A few people had expressed some suspicion of him at least though, to include G-Man, S~V~S, and I. I'm not sure anyone other than you was inclined to suspect INH very much.

#471

Well, I voted for the first option. I was hoping to get some understanding on the poll, but I guess not.

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#472

With Vompatti gone, who do you suspect most right now Elohcin?

#473

#474

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#475

Vaatekaapin korvaaminen orgoniakkumulaattorilla saattaa johtaa ongelmiin takuuvuokran kanssa.

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#476

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:With Vompatti gone, who do you suspect most right now Elohcin?

I'm still confused as to why wilgy would say that he thinks SVS is civ and didn't want her lynched, but then goes and offers her name as an alternative lynch to vompatti. It just doesn't make sense. And I hate to fixate, I really do. I don't want to put myself in a position to tunnel. However, no one else has really said much today, so it's stlll in the forefront of my mind.

#477

ebwop: tonight

#7

#478

insertnamehere:

Yesterday you made it clear that you suspected me to some degree, but you were staunchly committed to voting no lynch instead of pursuing my lynch. What about a no lynch appealed to you enough that you not only felt an inclination to support it, but to support it enough that you'd ignore your suspicion of me?

#479

G-Man, what are your thoughts on the Vompatti lynch?

#480

S~V~S, if you hadn't been in a position of self-preservation, who would you have voted for instead of Vompatti?

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#481

Polo, if you were playing this Mafia game at a more active pace and another player had the amount of content that you have in this game, how do you think you would read that player?

#certifiedaskerofquestions

#482

Before the night post comes in, my GTH reads remain the same. A few of my civ reads swapped between slight civ and neutral on my overall list. We'll see if the night post changes anything further.

Ricochet's first and second creepy pictures remind me of the hatch shaft on Lost.

I voted for the bottom option because I like being on the bottom.

1.03.N

linki: Vomp was a lazy but safe choice. His death did at least save us from wondering about him later on when the stakes are higher. Since he flipped vanilla, I'd say his death did the least amount of harm to the civvie cause.

#483

G-Man wrote:Before the night post comes in, my GTH reads remain the same. A few of my civ reads swapped between slight civ and neutral on my overall list. We'll see if the night post changes anything further.

Before the night post comes in, I would like for you to expand on this. Which reads changed, and how?

#484

Scotty, your Day1phobia is no longer applicable. What are your reads on every player?

#485

im sorry y'all, today's been super busy and its opening night tonight for my show so the timing couldn't be worse.

I skimmed the thread just now- RIP Vomps, I'm not sorry I voted that way- i take responsibility for that vote.
I see a bunch of people are talking about me, but I don't have time to respond right now.

If I die tonight, that would be lol so whatever, not much I can do. But I'll get to answering people with their nose up my butt tomorrow when I have a free moment.

#486

rabbit8 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Quin, I was looking at three votes for Vomps, up against four votes for no lynch. I was pretty clear that I thought a no lynch was a bad idea from the time I first came in the thread. Basically I could vote for Vomps to try and get rid of the no lynch direction, or I could have thrown my vote away on someone else. I think the only one anywhere even close at the time was SVS and I didn't feel any more about her than Vomps. So you think I should have thrown my vote to the wind instead? I voted for the result I preferred, even if I was not particularly partial to lynching Vomps specifically. Sorry if you take issue with that, but it is what it is.
As I said I think the way you (and rabbit as well, I'm putting you both on equal turf with this) went about your vote felt like you were voting just for the sake of lynching somebody and avoiding a no lynch. Wanting to lynch somebody without caring who just so somebody was lynched is pingy. You didn't make the 'at least we'll get information from the lynch' argument either so I doubt that was your motive. Why do you think you would be throwing your vote to the wind if you didn't vote for a top lynch candidate?
Trying to avoid a lynch and let baddies kill at will is just as pingy as wanting to lynch someone IMO.

If we have the option to not lynch someone all game, how you gonna vote, Quinn? Absurd.

I wanted to lynch SVS, Wigly and all the votes for SVS came after I had time to switch my vote or I would have voted SVS to lynch her.

I've said it's only Day 1 that I ever vote no lynch. I don't support no lynching in any other situation that comes to mind. I'll be voting tomorrow, no doubt about that.

#487

#488

Oh god, we aren't unknowingly playing mulholland drive are we...

#489

I just realised I'm at 8 posts. Incoming 2 fluff posts so I don't get eaten in my bed by a chainsaw wielding madman or something.

9

#490

These are fluff posts because I don't have anything else to say right now, in case you were wondering.

10

#491

Elohcin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:With Vompatti gone, who do you suspect most right now Elohcin?
I'm still confused as to why wilgy would say that he thinks SVS is civ and didn't want her lynched, but then goes and offers her name as an alternative lynch to vompatti. It just doesn't make sense. And I hate to fixate, I really do. I don't want to put myself in a position to tunnel. However, no one else has really said much today, so it's stlll in the forefront of my mind.

Do you think providing options is a good thing or a bad thing? If you think that it's odd that I provided the option being SVS, its simply as I explained. That was the only option that wasn't "no lynch" that I could provide.

#492

This is post 9 I think.

Maybe we are playing into the hosts trap by being fearful of these numbers...

#493

DrWilgy wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:With Vompatti gone, who do you suspect most right now Elohcin?
I'm still confused as to why wilgy would say that he thinks SVS is civ and didn't want her lynched, but then goes and offers her name as an alternative lynch to vompatti. It just doesn't make sense. And I hate to fixate, I really do. I don't want to put myself in a position to tunnel. However, no one else has really said much today, so it's stlll in the forefront of my mind.
Do you think providing options is a good thing or a bad thing? If you think that it's odd that I provided the option being SVS, its simply as I explained. That was the only option that wasn't "no lynch" that I could provide.

That brings me back to my question:

I agree that S~V~S was the most viable alternative to Vompatti available besides "no lynch". What benefit did you think might exist as a result of providing this alternative?

#494

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:With Vompatti gone, who do you suspect most right now Elohcin?
I'm still confused as to why wilgy would say that he thinks SVS is civ and didn't want her lynched, but then goes and offers her name as an alternative lynch to vompatti. It just doesn't make sense. And I hate to fixate, I really do. I don't want to put myself in a position to tunnel. However, no one else has really said much today, so it's stlll in the forefront of my mind.
Do you think providing options is a good thing or a bad thing? If you think that it's odd that I provided the option being SVS, its simply as I explained. That was the only option that wasn't "no lynch" that I could provide.
That brings me back to my question:

I agree that S~V~S was the most viable alternative to Vompatti available besides "no lynch". What benefit did you think might exist as a result of providing this alternative?

Idk more data to examine? I was able to tell that qe were lynching a civ after I raised the SVS flag and Vomps swapped off it.

#495

: Silencio

Those who were able to stand up without being overwhelmed by queasiness were the first to storm towards the exit, but it turned out that the door surface had no handle and wouldn't budge when they tried to push it or slide it.
'I told you the room will get red soon enough', the Host finally took his helmet off and said. The tone of his voice was suddenly more lugubrious and he was cynically staring at the victim's surroundings, as the blood spill was beginning to paint the marbles around the body in thick crimson.
'Monster!' Spacedaisy anxiously shouted at him.
Two of the men were now kicking the door as hard as possible, trying to make it crack somehow. Jay then noticed a small gap in the wall, to the right, likely enough to fit in an electronic card of some sort.
'Hand over the key', he demanded.
'I'm afraid I can't do that', the Host coldly replied.
'Hand it over', Jay gnashed his teeth.
'I'm afraid I can't do that', the Host repeated with absolutely no changed inflexion.
'Tell us what you want', Quin pleaded with him.
'I'm afraid I can't tell you that.'
'Let us out', others started yelling.
'There is nothing to fear', the Host whispered.
'Let us out this instance!'
'There is nothing to fear...' he said and paused, before finally turning his head towards the others, revealing the mad look on his face, 'but fear itself.'

At that moment, INH leaped from his chair with a cleaver pulled from inside the mantel he was wearing and carved it deep into the Host's head. Mrs. Julie screamed in horror and the others backed away completely from the circle. The Host just let out one more sigh, as his head tilted to the left, looking devoid of expression. INH searched into the Host's pockets, found and took out the electronic key and threw it at Jay. Everyone swiftly rushed out, in no gracious manner, squashing and pushing each other faster. Jay, waiting to be last, threw one last glance at INH, who was now standing idly inside the butchery coil and murmured back at Jay to go and let him take care of business, and Mrs. Julie, who wasn't able to move in her deadened tremor anyway.

No sooner did they make progress along the corridor leading back to the elevators, that the lights went out, as if the power had been cut, only to be restored a few anguishing seconds later, except in a faint, rusty red colour. They marched on, as much as the sense of panic dictated their cadence. Of all the people experiencing this, SVS seemed to find it the most troubling to cope with it, as if feeling the tight walls enfold her. Unbeknownst to them, Polo was now far behind, since the outage caused him to freeze in panic, unable to continue moving into the dark and frightened by all the sounds surrounding him, a crippling state from which he failed to recover afterwards.

A few managed to race faster to the elevator space and, to their relief, the lifts had not budged since their descent, opening simultaneously. Subsequently, the group experienced pretty much the same thing, once divided inside each of the two escalators: both were also dimly lit by a red neon; the panels were all messed up, comprised of countless buttons, each one of them having only a strange symbol ; the people's first instinct was to try to push the likely equivalent of the ground floor, except nothing happened; nor did the lifts started moving until they had pressed all the buttons up to the thirteenth; lastly, the perplexity of realizing that, instead of going up - the way the buttons were, in fact, lighting up one by one -, the elevators started descending even more.

'This can't be happening!' SVS's heart sank further.
'What's going on?!' Eloh clutched on to Epignosis' shoulder.
'I'm too young to die in here, dammit!" Wilgy bellowed.

The elevators started shaking and screeching, progressing slower with each level, as if probing through a shaft of rocks. At the ninth button to blink, there was a loud halt and the doors flung open, revealing another long corridor ahead, drenched this time in a brighter sanguine light. The group tried but failed to get the elevators to go back up again, so after a minute or so, they decided that, however discouragingly, there was no other choice but to move forwards. After a stretch, the passageway turned left and here they spotted several new doors on both sides. Alas, the doors were not only shut, but their handles were incredibly hot, causing some to get slightly burned.

Further ahead, the texture of the halfway started slowly to change, as the floor morphed into a zigzagging black and white pattern, the same as in the so-called Red Room, and the walls were covered with red curtains. Up ahead, they also spotted a tall white marbled statue. Music started playing, muffled from a source behind the curtains, so they started stroking and tapping into the curtains, until they got closer to the sound sources and managed to actually go through, into another space and another place altogether.

Seated in several armchairs were INH, spinning in his right hand his grisly cleaver, the Host, having his face unceremoniously stitched up by Mrs. Julie, and Polo, gazing at nothing in particular.

'ereh era sdneirf ruoy fo emoS ?eeffoc emos ekil uoy dluoW .moor gnitiaw eht si sihT', INH susurrated.
'Great party, isn't it?' the Host followed, raising his glass of bourbon and trying to smile.
'Damn good coffee', Polo, whose eyes were like the reflection of a stark night sky, added.

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#496

Day 2: Kaput

There was no sense and end to this new wave of shock and fury. There wasn't any parody and theatricality to Vompatti's appearance either, once they had exited the VR session; he was weighing down inert, with his entire denture taken out clean, likely with the same blunt speed the rest had witnessed it all inside the projection, and the blood spill around him was beginning to paint the marbles around his body in thick crimson.

'What on Earth was that freak show?' Jay exclaimed.
'This is horrible!' Quin yelled.
'Jesus Christ, what happened to him?' gasped Wilgy.

It was an even worse feeling to see the Host taking his VR helmet off and being just as gobsmacked as the rest to the sight of the awfulness.

'This is... quite unprecedented', the Host stuttered.
'What do you mean?' Sig asked. 'Someone obviously did this to him. Who was it?'
'I... don't know', started explaining on a sorry tone, exchanging distressed looks with Mrs. Julie. 'We also went under for the projection, to study the experience. Everyone was under stasis as well.'
'Well, I find it a no-brainer that someone played mad doctor, instead', INH snarked.
'This is inconceivable', Sig further raged, 'Someone committed murder right in front of us!'
'Monster!' Spacedaisy anxiously shouted at him.
'Everyone', the Host tried to tranquilize the moods, 'please rema-'
'Elohcin, your hands!' shouted Epignosis.

Her hands and sweater sleeves were all bloodied up. She was not the only one, for that matter. Seven people in total were covered in blood, as if they had instrumented the whole thing.

'You did this!' Quin yelled at no one of the seven in particular.
'I... I...' Elohcin couldn't stop shaking.
'If this is some kind of twisted joke...' Epignosis's glaring looks jumped from one person to another, 'My wife couldn't have done this. I joined the VR after she did!'
'Same here, you all heard me in there', Jay pointed out.
'How does that matter, you all pushed for Vompatti to undergo the session', Wilgy said.
'But it's impossible to have that many killers', G-Man brought it up, 'even the Host explicitly said there are three baddies among us.'
'It's a smear job, it could have been anyone', SVS rebutted.
'No, it's one of you!' Quin insisted.
'How do you we know it wasn't one of you fence-sitters?' Scotty shot back.

The bickering, fingerpointing and full craziness went on.

'Ok, so what now?' Polo felt the need to ask the obvious.
'We go to the police, that's what', Wilgy suggested.
'Yes, let's go outside, so the culprits can flee at any given opportunity', Jay criticised the thought, 'if not even whack us before we even set foot off this place.'
'You're not seriously suggesting we stay here?' Elohcin backlashed.
'Quite absurd', Quin concurred.
'Let's...’ Jay hesitated a bit, 'I don't know, it sounds crazy, but let's go back there and finish this.'
'Man, have you lost your mind?' Epignosis thundered.
'Sounds devious, but mistaken', INH pitched in.
'Vompatti's experience was genuine', Jay tried to argue. 'It wasn't a success, but it was genuine. We're led to believe the baddies will struggle with unknown, unprepared projections, so...'
'I'm afraid', the Host intervened, 'it would be quite problematic to attempt another immersion for the moment, the VR system will overheat after just one projection.'
'Poop', Jay replied.
'Bottom line, I don't like the idea of leaving the premise, but I don't like the idea of staying down here, either', SVS pleaded.
'How much would it take for the system to cool down?' Scotty inquired.
'A few hours...’ the Host said, 'although it's getting quite late already.'
'The clinic has another floor rented for extensive medical practice, why not head over to our ward, that's empty right now, to change and rest for a bit?' Mrs. Julie suggested.
'How come it so happens that, in the middle of this experiment of ours, you seem to have no other patients under serious ongoing care?' Epignosis sought to know.
'I'm afraid I can't really answer that', the Host's reply followed.

They agreed to head back upstairs. Most of them felt both mentally and physically exhausted. They also agreed, although not without some inherent wariness, for at least a couple of the members to keep an eye out, before taking turns through the night. Epignosis offered, since he was going to watch over Elohcin anyway. Slightly more controversial proved Jay's own initiative, as he tried to vouch again for his status and willingness to help - but eventually, everyone agreed it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a watchperson on the hallways.

Sig also decided to tag along Jay and the two of them to stick together. They did this for a while, until Sig decided to crash on an armchair in the lounge, while Jay carried on close by with the nightwatch. It all continued to be uneventful, until Jay saw a ping-pong championship match running on TV in an office, whilst nobody was there. And if there's something that trumps almost any other activity for Jay, it's ping pong.

Meanwhile, Mrs. Julie, back in the lobby, received a phone from the maintenance crew, sent downstairs to the Red Room a while ago, that proved distressing, as one of the helmets proved to be missing. Sensing the scheme, she paged the Host and they rushed to the practice floor, reaching the lounge area at the same time as Jay had also returned from his sports viewing. There on the armchair they found sig with the VR helmet on his head, convulsing heavily.

For he was projected back in time, to an event whose very recollection used to make his shudder, back during a certain hiking solo vacation, when in his own youthful ambition he had exerted himself so much, that he found himself stuck on a long and strenuous trail between two cabins too far away from each other, with all his provisions depleted and little energy left to carry on. Ever since that day, he feared the very thought of physical weakness and losing control over his body.

Yet, now that he was remembering this moment - surely a recurrent nightmare, he thought himself to be asleep - he knew that he managed to gather some last strength and make it until nightfall at the cabin. This time, however, despite finding himself in the same location, inside the woods, having crashed exhausted next to some rocks on the side of the trail, something felt different. It wasn't just exhaustion, it was almost sheer incapacitation. He couldn't move a muscle. Terror slowly seized him, causing him to try to fight from the inside against a completely unresponsive body. Just like back then, the sun was setting and, what's worse, he didn't recall having seen anyone else on the trail. Nobody was coming. He waited and struggled in vain, until reaching breakdown. And then, the sound of wolves, descending from the cliff...

sig, an astenophobe*, has been killed.
He was Patient 2, vanilla civilian.
It is now Day 2. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

*fear of chronic weakness

#497

Awesome cover, sig. It sucks to lose you on night 1, but your sacrifice is appreciated.

#498

Omoshiroi desu ne?

JJJ... What was Sig cover for?

#499

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ... What was Sig cover for?

Me, though he probably didn't know exactly who. By conclusively rejecting me as the cop he made himself look like the cop.

Guess who has a red peek?

I'll just let y'all stew on that one for a while and reveal the name later.

#500

Bummer sig. Rest in peace.

My GTH reads need adjusting now. I must contemplate.

2.01

linki: you show me your peek and I'll show you mine