RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

[insertnamehere]

It's fun because people are giving me shit for being wrong, and they're giving Golden shit for not giving me shit for being wrong, all the while those doing so are wrong.

So, you're basically saying that I'm wrong?

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[JaggedJimmyJay]

It's fun because people are giving me shit for being wrong, and they're giving Golden shit for not giving me shit for being wrong, all the while those doing so are wrong.

So, you're basically saying that I'm wrong?

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Yep! I suppose you could be "full of shit" instead of wrong, but I don't get that impression. If you're in the midst of a significant smear campaign and this is your choice method for delivery, then bravo sir. It looks good. I still think the read I promoted the most on Day 3 was correct -- DrWilgy.

[Epignosis]

It's win-win for me.

If 3J is bad, then I called him out.

If 3J isn't bad, then I called out his methods.

I'm a genuis.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If 3J isn't bad, then I called out his methods.

My methods are fine. I'll be using them again.

Bad reads aren't the same as bad methods. This hasn't been my best game, but I'm not going to overhaul everything just because your stubborn ass can't see past your own playstyle.

[Epignosis]

If 3J isn't bad, then I called out his methods.

My methods are fine. I'll be using them again.

Bad reads aren't the same as bad methods. This hasn't been my best game, but I'm not going to overhaul everything just because your stubborn ass can't see past your own playstyle.

I don't have a "playstyle."

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If 3J isn't bad, then I called out his methods.

My methods are fine. I'll be using them again.

Bad reads aren't the same as bad methods. This hasn't been my best game, but I'm not going to overhaul everything just because your stubborn ass can't see past your own playstyle.

I don't have a "playstyle."

Keep telling yourself that.

[Epignosis]

If 3J isn't bad, then I called out his methods.

My methods are fine. I'll be using them again.

Bad reads aren't the same as bad methods. This hasn't been my best game, but I'm not going to overhaul everything just because your stubborn ass can't see past your own playstyle.

I don't have a "playstyle."

Keep telling yourself that.

What's going to happen if I do?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What's going to happen if I do?

You'll continue to believe it's true, I'd imagine.

[insertnamehere]

What's going to happen if I do?

You'll continue to believe it's true, I'd imagine.

don't try and convince us all at the same time of your innocence, you might get tired out.

So, something I was never clear on: The Ranks underneath our names. Is there a set list of what post counts we have to hit before they change? Also, can we change them ourselves?

[Epignosis]

So, something I was never clear on: The Ranks underneath our names. Is there a set list of what post counts we have to hit before they change? Also, can we change them ourselves?

What do you want?

[insertnamehere]

So, something I was never clear on: The Ranks underneath our names. Is there a set list of what post counts we have to hit before they change? Also, can we change them ourselves?

What do you want?

First nerdy ass obvious thing I could think of

"The Man From Another Place"

[DrWilgy]

Jay and Epi are bad. GG.

[Epignosis]

So, something I was never clear on: The Ranks underneath our names. Is there a set list of what post counts we have to hit before they change? Also, can we change them ourselves?

What do you want?

First nerdy ass obvious thing I could think of

"The Man From Another Place"

PM S~V~S or MP.

[Golden]

It's fun because people are giving me shit for being wrong, and they're giving Golden shit for not giving me shit for being wrong, all the while those doing so are wrong.

Exactly.

It's just - honestly, epi, the idea that you 'win' by losing the game but calling out Jay's methods are stupid.

Are you going to change Jay's methods? No.
If Jay's methods were right, would it change your mind about it? No, you'd just say Jay was lucky.

Your suspicion of Jay is literally about nothing but your own ego. But at least Jay is evaluating everyone in the game. From my perspective, Jay being wrong about people while actually trying to win the game is a far superior effort to you being wrong about Jay and doing literally nothing else.

If Jay is bad, you get all the congrats from me. If Jay is not bad, should I call it a win that I can call out how wrong you are? I don't think so. I don't get any satisfaction out of bragging about you being wrong. There is no win there...

[Epignosis]

It's fun because people are giving me shit for being wrong, and they're giving Golden shit for not giving me shit for being wrong, all the while those doing so are wrong.

Exactly.

It's just - honestly, epi, the idea that you 'win' by losing the game but calling out Jay's methods are stupid.

Are you going to change Jay's methods? No.
If Jay's methods were right, would it change your mind about it? No, you'd just say Jay was lucky.

Your suspicion of Jay is literally about nothing but your own ego. But at least Jay is evaluating everyone in the game. From my perspective, Jay being wrong about people while actually trying to win the game is a far superior effort to you being wrong about Jay and doing literally nothing else.

If Jay is bad, you get all the congrats from me. If Jay is not bad, should I call it a win that I can call out how wrong you are? I don't think so. I don't get any satisfaction out of bragging about you being wrong. There is no win there...

I don't want your congrats. I want to win.

I fucking caught Mafia DAY ONE. How often does that happen?

What did he do? Wave his hands and ask us to lynch someone else.

Yeah, enjoy calling me out on my ego. I've been shot down since Day 1.

[Golden]

Why was rey the vote not wilgy yesterday. From someone who wasn't present, in the way that playing makes you understand how things go down, what led to the lynch going down on rey yesterday?

I was on Wilgy like glue ever since the moment he voted me. Absolutely nobody else showed any real enthusiasm about it. Marmot ended up voting for reywaS, and I joined him there in the end. Sloonei showed up late and was faced with a JJJ vs. reywaS tally, and he opted for the latter. He put reywaS in the lead, and Epi tied it by moving to me.

Question for those who blame Jay for rey's death.

Do you dispute any part of Jay's view of how the lynch unfolded yesterday?

Because if you do, it seems to me that MARMOT was responsible for rey dying instead of wilgy. What was Jay supposed to do. Let himself die while staying steadfastly on Wilgy to no effect?

[Epignosis]

I tell you what. I'm going to sit out and let 3J run the rest of the lynches. You all listen to him. I'll vote where he says to vote next.

See where it gets us.

Strong town.

Jesus.

[Golden]

It's fun because people are giving me shit for being wrong, and they're giving Golden shit for not giving me shit for being wrong, all the while those doing so are wrong.

Exactly.

It's just - honestly, epi, the idea that you 'win' by losing the game but calling out Jay's methods are stupid.

Are you going to change Jay's methods? No.
If Jay's methods were right, would it change your mind about it? No, you'd just say Jay was lucky.

Your suspicion of Jay is literally about nothing but your own ego. But at least Jay is evaluating everyone in the game. From my perspective, Jay being wrong about people while actually trying to win the game is a far superior effort to you being wrong about Jay and doing literally nothing else.

If Jay is bad, you get all the congrats from me. If Jay is not bad, should I call it a win that I can call out how wrong you are? I don't think so. I don't get any satisfaction out of bragging about you being wrong. There is no win there...

I don't want your congrats. I want to win.

I fucking caught Mafia DAY ONE. How often does that happen?

What did he do? Wave his hands and ask us to lynch someone else.

Yeah, enjoy calling me out on my ego. I've been shot down since Day 1.

You love pretending it's not your ego, while still talking about you catching mafia day one.

1) Sloonei caught Scotty before you or I did.
2) The fact that you think this is actually relevant proves this is about your ego. In reality, well done for lynching a mafia. How often does it happen on day one? Want to talk about ego? I've lost count of the number of times I've done it. I actually think day one is one of the easiest days to catch baddies, it's when they make all their slips. It doesn't mean that I'll do it in the next game, and it doesn't mean I'll be right the next time.
3) The fact that you accused me of not having caught any mafia in this game a couple of days ago also proves its about your ego, given I was on Scotty before you were. You seem to think that catching a mafia only takes one person. It takes a village.

[Epignosis]

Sloonei didn't vote Scotty in the end. I did. Nice job catching mafia and not voting for him, Sloonei. Jesus.

Fuck villages also.

[Golden]

Sloonei didn't vote Scotty in the end. I did. Nice job catching mafia and not voting for him, Sloonei. Jesus.

This is true and definitely shouldn't be lost sight of.

But epi, just look at this...

It's win-win for me.

If 3J is bad, then I called him out.

If 3J isn't bad, then I called out his methods.

I'm a genuis.

How is this supposed to be taken seriously? How am I supposed to trust someone who openly acknowledges that for them, this lynch is more a matter of pride than it is about who is bad.

You just wish everyone would play like you and bow down to the way you play, but you aren't going to change Jay.

[Epignosis]

Like I said, you super-civilians tell me how you want me to vote, and that's how I'll vote. I don't think it matters at this point, and I'm tired of the super-civilian bullshit. POEs and GTHs and CFDs.

Sounds like my job with all those three-letter items.

[Epignosis]

Sloonei didn't vote Scotty in the end. I did. Nice job catching mafia and not voting for him, Sloonei. Jesus.

This is true and definitely shouldn't be lost sight of.

But epi, just look at this...

It's win-win for me.

If 3J is bad, then I called him out.

If 3J isn't bad, then I called out his methods.

I'm a genuis.

How is this supposed to be taken seriously? How am I supposed to trust someone who openly acknowledges that for them, this lynch is more a matter of pride than it is about who is bad.

You just wish everyone would play like you and bow down to the way you play, but you aren't going to change Jay.

Nobody has listened to me since Day 1.

My ego is in check, Master Golden.

[Golden]

I'm tired of the super-civilian bullshit.

And all the super-civilians are tired of your anti-super-civilian bullshit.

So, who gives a shit? Lets all get over ourselves, stop criticising play styles, and try to win?

You act as though other playstyles are a personal affront to you and you have to prove them meaningless. Why is it so important to you?

[Epignosis]

I'm tired of the super-civilian bullshit.

And all the super-civilians are tired of your anti-super-civilian bullshit.

So, who gives a shit? Lets all get over ourselves, stop criticising play styles, and try to win?

You act as though other playstyles are a personal affront to you and you have to prove them meaningless. Why is it so important to you?

"Playstyles" don't exist. They are myths and bullshit. That's why I don't have one. Nobody does.

I caught mafia. I'm slightly civilian.

3J has caught nobody. He's definitely civilian.

Whose ass do I have to kiss?

I'm screaming that 3J is bad, and you've got him "strong town." What the hell?

But you super-civilians have your methods, and they must be far superior to mine.

It's not about ego.

It's about you being a dingus.

[G-Man]

THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN

Barron Trump should have been in bed hours ago. It was alright though because he was doing work for his father. Papa Trump always approved of going the extra mile.

"Good evening son," Donald said as their FaceTime session connected.

"Hello father," the boy said. "What on earth are you eating at this late hour?"

"A gold-star, Donald J. Trump approved taco salad. Delicious, believe me. Delicious. It'll help get me in the zone for my meeting with the Mexican president tomorrow. You watch, he'll practically beg me to let him build the wall. And pay for it."

"Taco salad at 1:00 a.m.?" Barron asked. "No thanks."

"You forget, son," Donald said between bites, "I'm on the West Coast. It's only 10:00 here. Taco time!"

"I'm glad you're in a good mood then. In hope my report doesn't lower your spirits."

"Fire away, soldier."

"Just like the fake Glassner, I found login credentials on Murphy's phones. He had a login called reywaS, which he uses to access online forums."

"Oh God, not another Star Trek weirdo!"

"Actually, no. His handle is a truncation of an older handle I found after hacking a few of his email accounts and hard drives. It was short for reywaS moT. It seems he started his internet presence as a frequenter of progressive rock fan forums. It's a Rush song but spelled backwards."

"Rush? You mean like Limbaugh?"

"No, dad. Rush like a Canadian band with a high-pitched singer who had their heyday in the 70's and 80's playing synthesizer-infused rock music. He shortened his name to just reywaS when the TV show Lost came out so he could come and go between fan forums as he pleased."

"Jesus, Mary and Joseph! What kind of people are we hiring here? He sounds like a total fruitcake."

"He's also a total fraud, dad. His real name is Shaun Donovan. Until four months ago, he was the Director of Office Management and Budget. He's been on leave of absence since you became the clear front runner."

"You mean to tell me he's part of the Obama Administration?"

"A lower lever player but yes, an Obama minion all the same."

"Good work son. We've got these bastards against the ropes now. I might even be able to use this to blackmail Obama into pardoning a few of our associates. Just don't let the press get a hold of this. We still watching that scumbag O'Donnell?"

"Like a hawk, dad. Nothing out of the ordinary yet. If he knows what's good for him, he's scared of his own shadow."

"That's my boy. Great work as usual son. Now get to bed."

"Thank you dad. Good night."

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reywaS was actually SHAUN DONOVAN disguised as Jim Murphy. He was a member of the mafia and part of Operation Cobalt.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

EAT.

SHIT.

BITCHES.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh my goodness that's the best feeling I've gotten from a flip in ages. Sweet beautiful vindication.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The other one is probably DrWilgy.

I determined this via process of elimination.

[Epignosis]

EAT.

SHIT.

BITCHES.

You know, that describes my daily routine pretty well, given the punctuation.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

EAT.

SHIT.

BITCHES.

You know, that describes my daily routine pretty well, given the punctuation.

You tried to save reywaS.

[Epignosis]

EAT.

SHIT.

BITCHES.

You know, that describes my daily routine pretty well, given the punctuation.

You tried to save reywaS.

I tried to lynch you.

Are we really going to do this tonight? I'm tired.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I tried to lynch you.

Are we really going to do this tonight? I'm tired.

No, you don't get to pretend those are different. You tried to save a scum. Blatantly. At the very end of the day phase. You've made it abundantly clear you'd do such a thing as a bad guy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

INH, immediate takeways -- go.

[Epignosis]

I tried to lynch you.

Are we really going to do this tonight? I'm tired.

No, you don't get to pretend those are different. You tried to save a scum. Blatantly. At the very end of the day phase. You've made it abundantly clear you'd do such a thing as a bad guy.

You tried to save Scotty.

Blatantly.

At the very end of the day phase.

Kiss my ass.

I no longer think you're bad though, so there's that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I no longer think you're bad though, so there's that.

Who is?

[Epignosis]

I no longer think you're bad though, so there's that.

Who is?

No, no. You're the super civilian. You go.

I'm the peon.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Marmot sat on reywaS for much of the day while I was looking for Wilgy and others were deciding between INH and myself. In the end he elected to lynch reywaS, and it was his vote that resulted in my vote (and eventually Sloonei's). Good look for him, and I have already given a reason for him not to be a serial killer. Town read.

Sloonei's vote put reywaS in the lead. Sloonei had plenty of material in his ISO to support voting for me instead if he'd wanted to. Town read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I no longer think you're bad though, so there's that.

Who is?

No, no. You're the super civilian. You go.

I'm the peon.

I have always said that my ways aren't the only ways to play as a civilian. I am confident in my methods because they have worked many times before, but I am one guy and Mafia can be played a thousand ways. I know you've had plenty of strong civilian games too; I don't think you need me to tell you that.

So quit pouting. If you're going to keep this crap up, it'll cease to be a and become a .

[Epignosis]

Look at Golden's assessment of what I've done. Has he shown respect for my methods? No.

[Quin]

JaggedJimmyJay bussed Reywas for civ cred. Discuss.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Look at Golden's assessment of what I've done. Has he shown respect for my methods? No.

I can't speak for Golden, but that one looks like it goes both ways. Ever since the first time "PoE" was uttered in this thread, people who are clueless about it have been crapping on the concept. That's annoying.

I am sure Golden realizes you're a capable civilian player. Let's get over this bullshit and try to win this game. We've all had one fuck up now. I tried to stop the Scotty lynch. Golden spearheaded the Quin 1.0 lynch. You tried to lynch me over reywaS.

Shit happens. Shit happened. Let's go.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJimmyJay bussed Reywas for civ cred. Discuss.

[Epignosis]

Look at Golden's assessment of what I've done. Has he shown respect for my methods? No.

I can't speak for Golden, but that one looks like it goes both ways. Ever since the first time "PoE" was uttered in this thread, people who are clueless about it have been crapping on the concept. That's annoying.

I am sure Golden realizes you're a capable civilian player. Let's get over this bullshit and try to win this game. We've all had one fuck up now. I tried to stop the Scotty lynch. Golden spearheaded the Quin 1.0 lynch. You tried to lynch me over reywaS.

Shit happens. Shit happened. Let's go.

All right. I apologize. I'll play ball.

[Quin]

JaggedJimmyJay bussed Reywas for civ cred. Discuss.

It is a lovely hat.

[Marmot]

I'm basically confirmed town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I apologize.

Me too.

[Epignosis]

I'm basically confirmed town.

This bitch. Let's start with him.

What say you?

[Quin]

I'm basically confirmed town.

[Marmot]

I'm basically confirmed town.

This bitch. Let's start with him.

What say you?

What are you doing with me?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I did a comprehensive ISO of the MP/reywaS combined ISO, and my findings were interesting to say the least:

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