RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

[Marmot]

Sloondogmillionaire dunnit.

[Quin]

I'm inclined to think DrWilgy is the last mafia. This was all he had to say after reywaS flipped the first time.

Jay and Epi are bad. GG.

But the thing is, several players looked so... sincere. Epignosis got riled up and called Golden a dingus. I've already pointed out why I think Golden isn't mafia. Jay looked good before the true flip. inh looked alright.

On the other hand, Sloonei looked so-so, and if I'm wrong about Wilgy, Sloonei is another guess for mafia. Quin is possible too. Quin had very little to say after reywaS flipped civilian, and just as little to say after reywaS flipped bad. On the flipside, he had a lot to say before the day ended.

So my rainbow list for mafia looks like this:

Golden
Epignosis
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere
Sloonei
Quin 2.0
DrWilgy

I think sawyer was bussed.

by jiggyjiggyjig?

I just think he was bussed.

[Sloonei]

He would be a prime bus candidate. 1 empty post and nothing more.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I remember when Manu used to tear teams to shreds on day one at STV. I miss manu, he was truly amazing at this game. We all just bowed down and talked about how amazing he was. He was considered a big threat to any scum team.

I don't understand where this attitude has gone. It's like people want to be pissed off at others for being right, like it's some affront to their ability to solve the game for themselves. I miss those times.

In defence of Jay, I've never heard Jay claim he is a 'good' townie. I've never seen him try to claim that his instincts are particularly good or better than others. But Jay works hard, and uses methods that significantly increase his ability to get good reads beyond what he would be able to do on instinct alone. This works for him.

Doing that work, doing whatever he can to get himself good reads - I don't understand why we criticise this. It's not going to work for everyone, but it really works for Jay. It improves his ability to find baddies. Is this so bad?

I appreciate it Golden. And truth be told: I don't think much of my own Mafia instincts. I am not a terribly intuitive player. The reason I do all this work in these games is because I need to. This is the style that has given me the most success (and I have played many other ways -- I didn't even try to play with this sort of intensity until around my 10th Mafia game). Back on RYM (RIP), there was a player who was universally regarded as an amazing townie. Sloonei knows who she is. Her methods were almost the opposite of mine: her intuitive talents were otherworldly, and she didn't have to do all the crap I do. She and I might arrive at the same read, but she'd get there in one post and I'd need 200.

Everybody has a unique skill set in this game. Everybody is influenced by other players too. It's why I often talk about the marks left by Sloonei, MacDougall, and other RYMers y'all haven't met in my own game -- watching them do their thing and adapting my own style to encompass the elements that I think would work for me. We all do it. I don't want everyone to play like I play, the bloody game thread would be unbearable if that happened. I think townies are at their best when they are complementary, not competitive or a bunch of lone wolves.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I just think he was bussed.

I don't. I just laid out the things I liked from MM. Sloonei could have voted for me and had no trouble supporting that vote with the posts he has made.

[Marmot]

I just think he was bussed.

Who bussed him?

Was it I? I placed the deciding vote on Scotty's lynch Day 1 and helped spearheard the reywaS lynch. Do you think I bussed them both?

Was it Sloonei? He helped lead the charge on Scotty Day 1, and made a crucial decision to place his vote on reywaS despite not being caught up in the thread and having a lingering but nagging suspicion of Jay.

Was it JaggedJimmyJay? It doesn't really matter if he's his teammate. Jay needed to save himself whether he is civilian, mafia, or SK.

[Quin]

I just think he was bussed.

I don't. I just laid out the things I liked from MM. Sloonei could have voted for me and had no trouble supporting that vote with the posts he has made.

This is at face value. I don't know what the lynch poll looked like, but like Sloonei said, he is a prime bus candidate.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I just think he was bussed.

I don't. I just laid out the things I liked from MM. Sloonei could have voted for me and had no trouble supporting that vote with the posts he has made.

This is at face value. I don't know what the lynch poll looked like, but like Sloonei said, he is a prime bus candidate.

Meh. He was the result of process of elimination. So is DrWilgy.

[Ricochet]

reywaS was actually SHAUN DONOVAN disguised as Jim Murphy. He was a member of the mafia and part of Operation Cobalt.

[Quin]

I just think he was bussed.

I don't. I just laid out the things I liked from MM. Sloonei could have voted for me and had no trouble supporting that vote with the posts he has made.

This is at face value. I don't know what the lynch poll looked like, but like Sloonei said, he is a prime bus candidate.

Meh. He was the result of process of elimination. So is DrWilgy.

The PoE meant nothing to Quin 1.0, and means nothing to Quin 2.0.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The PoE meant nothing to Quin 1.0, and means nothing to Quin 2.0.

Okay.

One day I am going to look back on this game, and as I recall the drama I am not going to notice the giant snot bubble forming under my nostril.

[Marmot]

I just think he was bussed.

I don't. I just laid out the things I liked from MM. Sloonei could have voted for me and had no trouble supporting that vote with the posts he has made.

This is at face value. I don't know what the lynch poll looked like, but like Sloonei said, he is a prime bus candidate.

I was at work when the lynch happened, so don't have access to the final poll. But it looked something like this.


3 - JaggedJimmyJay [DrWilgy, insertnamehere, Epignosis]
3 - reywaS [Metalmarsh89, JaggedJimmyJay, Sloonei]
1 - Metalmarsh89 [Quin]


I think you had your vote on me?

[Quin]

I just think he was bussed.

I don't. I just laid out the things I liked from MM. Sloonei could have voted for me and had no trouble supporting that vote with the posts he has made.

This is at face value. I don't know what the lynch poll looked like, but like Sloonei said, he is a prime bus candidate.

I was at work when the lynch happened, so don't have access to the final poll. But it looked something like this.


3 - JaggedJimmyJay [DrWilgy, insertnamehere, Epignosis]
3 - reywaS [Metalmarsh89, JaggedJimmyJay, Sloonei]
1 - Metalmarsh89 [Quin]


I think you had your vote on me?

I did.

[Sloonei]

How would you rank the three of us who voted for reywaS?

[Marmot]

How would you rank the three of us who voted for reywaS?

I'm a tem outta tem.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Beck / Quin 2.0:

Spoiler: show

Vote: MovngPictures07

am i doing this right?

Hey Beck, I hereby accuse you of using (trying to use) a fake random vote as a means of comfortably getting your feet into the scary cold water that is this game. I've done it before. What say you?

I say nay!

I voted for MP7 for one post in particular -- would be curios to see if you see what I see.

But let's say I did vote for MP7 to ease myself into the game, what does that make me?

(There's a right answer and a wrong answer, Jimmy.)

I'm looking largely at his OP. (But when you string his four posts together it's effectively the same read.)

It's a classic in-and-out post in which he enters the thread by posting but exits in the same post, made in jest or otherwise it's something wolves do more often than not.

There's more to it even then that but if you want a read off of one post, I've met me d0 quota.

sounds good to me

and my concern w/ MP7 is not his strategies or even if they exist, but the fact that wolves have nothing to say upon entrance and sometimes it's easier to say nothing at all -- that's what he did

ofc this read has a timer on it so once he starts posting again ill reassess

MovingPicture07

Neutral read in the rainbow.

I think we should react upon the utter shit heap that occurred over the past few phases rather than put our votes on people who were not involved.

If there's a scum among them, how do we win?

That was a serious question. If there's an answer I'm missing, please lemme have it.

I didn't say 'never lynch them'. But we've just had 2 phases of the most meaningful and meaty contributions I've ever seen and you want to ignore all of that and focus the few who weren't involved.

Isn't a possible outcome of 'meaty contributions' that you are able to identify that all those involved were town? I would disagree with 'focussing on wilgy and rey'. There isn't much to focus on. Analyse other stuff. But focussing on them and ending up lynching one of them, are two different things in my book.

Do you support lynching one of the two tomorrow, then?

Beck got after MP's shit right off the bat. That he was so immediate about it actually makes me wonder, but I do like the explanations he provided for what he did. It looks more like Beck made an ace Day 0 read than Beck poking his team mate for credit. Quin 2.0 had close to nothing to say about reywaS. Generally I'll call this a positive look.

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Sloonei:

Spoiler: show

Beck, Epi, insertnamehere, leetic, Metalmarsh, reywaS, and SVS: Got any thoughts?

~~~

Day 3

Why is reywaS the best alternative candidate?

Why is MM a town read? I know he voted for Scotty day 1, but I'm not sure I'd count that as enough to read him as town.

Time is limited, so please try to process this quickly.

I like this and all, but what if you two are teammates?

Also I'm guessing the Wilgy and reywaS cases are centered around inactivity?

has there been any nightkill analysis? reywaS appears to be entirely absent, and Wilgy has not been terribly active either, but if they're supposed to be the scum team then one of them has to be submitting the kills. Wilgy's activity does suggest he's consistently been around, at least.

While I'm not going to say I have a scum read on Beck/Quin 2.0, I would hesitate to immediately slap a town read on them. While I liked Beck's early participation, that would have been a fairly easy meta fake, and it's also possible that Quin's burst of activity when he first subbed back in (which I've only glanced at) was a result of him having lots to say about his first life in the game. This is not immediately relevant though, since I have no intention of spinning an uninformed case against anyone in the final 20 minutes. But it's a thought.

Why is MM a town read? I know he voted for Scotty day 1, but I'm not sure I'd count that as enough to read him as town.

Time is limited, so please try to process this quickly.

I like this and all, but what if you two are teammates?

Also I'm guessing the Wilgy and reywaS cases are centered around inactivity?

I made a mini-case on MP/reywaS.

Jay may have done something similar for Wilgs.

This I like for some reason.

reywaS

Prior to Day 3 Sloonei said basically nothing about either MP or reywaS. Still, the EOD3 progression looks good to me. He was confronted with a JJJ/reywaS decision, he listened to arguments from MM and I on reywaS, and eventually voted that way despite his lingering suspicions of me. I don't think there's a way to suggest this was a bus without significant reaching.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm settled on DrWilgy 2.0 being the last scum. This post is also a fake read:

Jay and Epi are bad. GG.

[Quin]

How would you rank the three of us who voted for reywaS?

Sloonei = A bus wasn't really necessary as he was pretty unanimously town-read already.
3J = Self-preservation vote. Not hugely convinced it was a bus because he'd been arguing against Wilgy the past two phases.
marmot = Made a case on him at one point.

[Marmot]

How would you rank the three of us who voted for reywaS?

Sloonei = A bus wasn't really necessary as he was pretty unanimously town-read already.
3J = Self-preservation vote. Not hugely convinced it was a bus because he'd been arguing against Wilgy the past two phases.
marmot = Made a case on him at one point.

Get your head out of the gutter mate.

[G-Man]

The Day 3 poll has been added to the Polls thread. Sorry for the delay. My work computer has a newer version of Microsoft Office and does not have the picture manager program I am used to cropping screenshots with.

[G-Man]

Can we move on from Jay being bad now? Anyone? Beuller?

3J is the serial killer.

I haven't by any measure looked into hunting for a serial killer, or read Jay's analysis. But, I will say that my views on Jay mostly extend to him not being mafia. I could see him playing his town game as sk. So it is possible.

I also am not ruling out town vig until the mafia is dead and the game hasn't ended. Although, G-Man, would we find out if that was the case?

[Ricochet]

The Day 3 poll has been added to the Polls thread. Sorry for the delay. My work computer has a newer version of Microsoft Office and does not have the picture manager program I am used to cropping screenshots with.

prtscr and mspaint, man

t's how trump does it

[G-Man]

The Day 3 poll has been added to the Polls thread. Sorry for the delay. My work computer has a newer version of Microsoft Office and does not have the picture manager program I am used to cropping screenshots with.

prtscr and mspaint, man

t's how trump does it

Ha! I forgot all about Paint's crop tool. Thanks Rico.

[DrWilgy]

Rico is good.
MP is bad.
Beck is gab.
JJJ is meh.
SVS is gone.
Leetic is hi.
Boom is high.
Epi is Epi.
Sloonei is circumstantial.
MM is crabs.
Wilgy is $}£*G:".
INH is probable.
Golden is lackluster.
Quin is judicial.
Scotty is me.

Epi is the last baddie.

Scotty didn't want to put MP at the top of the list and actually described him as alignment based. I don't think he would try to distance from both teammates but he broke his use of mostly adjectives on Epi. Epi is also 5 and 6 slots away from his teammates, something that I think Scotty would do as a baddie.

2nd choice for baddie is Leetic who is now Golden. Scotty broke his patter with a "hi"

Discuss.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Discuss.

I'd like to vote for you.

[DrWilgy]

Discuss.

I'd like to vote for you.

Y?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Discuss.

I'd like to vote for you.

Y?

I don't believe that you believe in the "reads" you are providing.

[DrWilgy]

Discuss.

I'd like to vote for you.

Y?

I don't believe that you believe in the "reads" you are providing.

Well then you are wrong.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well then you are wrong.

I'd like for you to explain some of the reads you've made.

You suggested Golden 1.0 and INH were team mates. Why?

You called Ricochet bad. Why?

You voted for me yesterday. Why?

You suggested Epi and I are team mates before reywaS re-flipped. Why?

[G-Man]

TWO FOR THE ROAD

“Good morning ladies and gentlemen from coast to coast. It is 5:00 a.m. on the East Coast. Today is Wednesday, August 31st, 2016. It is 69 days until Election Day. I’m Steve Inskeep with Renee Montagne and David Greene. Tropical Storm Hermine is setting its sights on Florida, Prince William and Harry commemorate the anniversary of Princess Diana’s death, and Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff faces an impeachment vote today. But first our top stories. Here’s Renee with more.”

“Thank you, Steve,” Renee said. “Donald Trump’s bumpy week shows no signs of easing up on the Republican nominee ahead of his meeting with Mexican president Enrique Peña Nieto. Shortly after arriving Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport an unauthorized drone fell out of the sky directly above where candidate Trump and members of his Inner Circle were meeting before leaving for a chartered flight from Tucson to Mexico City.

“Airport security footage is already circulating online. In the short video, you can clearly see the drone circling around Mr. Trump’s entourage several times before plummeting toward the tarmac. At the last minute, former Pennsylvania Senator and Trump surrogate Rick Santorum threw himself between the drone and Mr. Trump. Had he not done so, the Republican nominee would have surely been struck.

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“Yes, Renee,” David said, “after seeing Senator Santorum to the emergency room, Mr. Trump and headed by motorcade to Tucson with several of his family members and closest advisors in tow. Halfway into their journey down Interstate 10, calamity struck once more, only this time striking closer to home.

“While passing Picacho State Park, Mr. Trump’s tour bus was slammed into by a tractor trailer. Mr. Trump’s driver managed to keep the vehicle from overturning despite a collision that local police suggest could have been lethal for most if not all on board. Tiffany Trump, Donald’s youngest daughter, was the only one standing up when the collision occurred and was thrown violently across the interior of the bus.

“Knocked unconscious during the incident, Miss Trump was taken to Banner University Medical Center Tucson and early reports suggest she may be in a medically-induced coma. Donald Trump plans to return to Tucson after his meeting with the Mexican president to be with his daughter as she recovers.”

“Thank you both,” Steve Inskeep said. “We will keep you updated on both Senator Santorum’s and Tiffany Trump’s condition as information is released. In the meantime, news of these incidents spread fast across both conservative and progressive media outlets with both predictable and surprising results.

“In what is widely considered a move to generate sympathy for Mr. Trump and his campaign, FoxNews and conservative radio personalities immediately suggested that some or even all of the recent accidents befalling the Trump campaign this week could be the work of a conspiracy to assassinate Mr. Trump ahead of the election. Everyone from Bernie Sanders supporters to the Chinese government are being floated in the conservative blogosphere.

“Meanwhile, progressive media figure Rachel Maddow has drawn mixed opinions about her early comments on this week’s incidents. Suggesting this all might be ‘some kind of karmic tsunami finally coming home’ and her assertion that Mr. Trump ‘has officially become a threat to his own family as well as our nation,’ Ms. Maddow is being hailed as spot-on in her assessment from fellow progressives while derided as insensitive and inappropriate from those on the Right. More on the fallout of these comments as the story develops.”

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DrWilgy has been hospitalized. He was RICK SANTORUM, a Trump sycophant and a vanilla civvie.






Epignosis has also been hospitalized. He was TIFFANY TRUMP, a member of the Trump family and a vanilla civvie.

It is now Day 4. You have 48 hours to remove someone from the Inner Circle.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bummer to lose two townies. One of them being Wilgy is helpful though, prevents that mislynch.

I actually realize now that something I'd said before is incorrect. It is possible for this to be a LyLo, or perhaps more accurately a MyLo. If it's 4 vs. 1 vs. 1 as seems most likely and a townie is lynched, that puts it at 3 vs. 1 vs. 1 and two townies being killed thereafter would probably be a game-loser. There's a lot of data to mine and two more flips should help. Let's try to use these 48 hours efficiently.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Keeping tabs on the numbers scenarios if 4 vs. 1 vs. 1 is accurate:

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Of the players remaining, the one who would surprise me most if town is INH. Otherwise it is pretty hard to say. I'll try to do some more kill analysis later, and revisit the entirety of Day 3 which hasn't been fully assessed yet.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am however considering the possibility of an INH + leetic/Golden 2.0 civilian BTSC combo.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am however considering the possibility of an INH + leetic/Golden 2.0 civilian BTSC combo.

Expanding on this:

Spoiler: show

Everyone else: I don't expect you to read our text walls. Once we've had our chat and I am satisfied with whatever conclusion I come to I'll summarize it.

My suspicion of you has grown, sir. Why wouldn't you expect people to read what you've posted and form their own opinions and instead rely on your summary?

Why would we go to the trouble of researching something and forming our own opinions when we can get a nice tidy, completely unbiased five word long summary from FOX News or Breitbart that tells us how to feel about things?

You've given us very little so far other than to criticize the play of someone you have declared a town read for.

If you think my methods are unhelpful, then take a look in the freaking mirror dude. This is useless.

The latter part is CWAC (which stands for Contributing Without Actually Contributing btw). You're saying you won't do something, but not why. Others being unhelpful is no excuse to have said behavior.

The post I gave leetic grief about on Day 1 was about my treatment of INH. By attacking me, leetic was semi-defending INH.

Spoiler: show

Everyone else: I don't expect you to read our text walls. Once we've had our chat and I am satisfied with whatever conclusion I come to I'll summarize it.

My suspicion of you has grown, sir. Why wouldn't you expect people to read what you've posted and form their own opinions and instead rely on your summary?

Why would we go to the trouble of researching something and forming our own opinions when we can get a nice tidy, completely unbiased five word long summary from FOX News or Breitbart that tells us how to feel about things?

You've given us very little so far other than to criticize the play of someone you have declared a town read for.

If you think my methods are unhelpful, then take a look in the freaking mirror dude. This is useless.

The latter part is CWAC (which stands for Contributing Without Actually Contributing btw). You're saying you won't do something, but not why. Others being unhelpful is no excuse to have said behavior.

So this is the post that has Leetic tied for first? Come on, attempting to defend me and attacking JJJ's gameplay without really throwing any legit shade on him does not a baddie make.

After I voiced my suspicion, INH stood in defense of leetic. Their Day 1 interaction was mutually protective, and I don't think they really had any in-thread inspiration for that.

Spoiler: show

My concern that INH has been counting on me getting lynched is compounded now that a new development which should at least make him doubt his read on me more has instead caused him to double-down.

If anything, it makes me think of that ISO you showed me.

I'm sad about inh's response. I'm used to good-natured tunnelling (Matt ) but I'm not used to feeling like someone is genuinely hurt by my playstyle. I don't really get it. But in this game, there are two people who seem to have played the entire game just being mad at me. (Rico is the other, not epi. Epi may be stubborn, but he plays clean and he'd have a beer with you after.) I don't understand.

This is especially highlighted by the fact the PoE appears to have turned out to be correct. There really were good reasons to town read everyone else. That doesn't happen often to such an extreme but it did this game.

I think I've come to the view that inh just believes he is right and is the kind of person who is not to be dissuaded once he has a strong read.

linki @sloonei - good tooting!

Much more recently, Golden 2.0 took a defensive stance for INH after I expressed my SK-related suspicion that he was counting on me being lynched.

~~~

It's not much, but it's something I am thinking about.

[Sloonei]

Why am I still alive?

[Golden]

Why am I still alive?

I agree. I'm not sure what to make of that though. Perhaps that's what they want us to think. I would have thought you would be nightkilled night one.

Instinct says the Wilgy kill leans towards a town vig. Seems very unlikely from mafia and not entirely likely from a sk, given that they might have thought they would be leaving themselves open as the last baddie and put the focus of the hunt on them.

[Golden]

We have a deepwolf, and for me it's now about figuring out who it is. Marmot and Quin seem like the likely suspects, to me. But of those two, Quin seems the most suspicious. He was off the wagon yesterday, and keeps pushing marmot./

So, an early vote on quin for me.

[Sloonei]

We have a deepwolf, and for me it's now about figuring out who it is. Marmot and Quin seem like the likely suspects, to me. But of those two, Quin seems the most suspicious. He was off the wagon yesterday, and keeps pushing marmot./

So, an early vote on quin for me.

Why are you confident it's not Jay?

[Golden]

Why are you confident it's not Jay?

Because nothing about Jay's game makes any sense if he is mafia. The kills are very poor choices for him. Doing things like defending scotty on day one makes no sense if he is a teammate. Jay's entire game has done nothing but put him under lynch pressure for the entire game when he would know he had to be the guy who would see this through if they were going to win.

Jay's game is, for me, beyond obviously town. I really don't see any way he could be mafia. If he is, it's the worst game he has ever played as mafia. I guess people do have bad games, but really... SK, possibly. Mafia, no. He kills me and keeps you, epi and inh all alive? He only escaped lynch yesterday by the grace of you going for rey, which given you suspected Jay was by no means any guarantee.

It just doesn't make sense.

[Golden]

I'm not, however, confident that it isn't you, sloon!

[Sloonei]

I'm not, however, confident that it isn't you, sloon!

But you just agreed with my wondering about why I'm alive.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It just doesn't make sense.

And while I acknowledge my bias, I think the same mindset ought to apply to the notion that I am a SK -- at least regarding the kills. On Night 2 especially, the two players killed were the two who were arguably the least likely to vote for me on Day 3. By killing either Golden or Ricochet, I am welcoming my own lynch. It's not some WIFOM I am trying to get away with here, it'd be purely foolish. It was clear entering Day 3 that I was on a very hot seat, and to make it even hotter by eliminating votes for other players is suicidal.

I got out of that situation because G-Man's coin was kind, and because Sloonei voted for the guy with 1 post instead of the guy with 500.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm honestly confused. I understand that I am not immune to suspicion and that everyone deserves scrutiny. However, in this game, it seems as though no matter what the circumstances, to some people I just can't be town -- the tinfoil case is always more moving. What have I done in this game that is so suspicious? This isn't rhetorical, I'd like an answer.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Golden and INH: reads on each other please.

[Golden]

Golden and INH: reads on each other please.

My read hasn't changed. After having looked at inh's stuff in the office, I get the sense that he has a firm view of what the world should look like from a town perspective and his behaviour this game seems driven by people not fitting into that world view. I would be interested to find out what he looks like when bad, but I wonder if he'd be more flexible. In Battlestar Galactica, where he was Gaius and he knew his win con could change, he seemed a bit more flexible to me. Or at least, certainly not like the inh of the Office and of this game.

[Golden]

Btw, I should note that I'm sucked in every time and only thought of this now, but is it not possible that wilgy is the last baddie but we just won't get the flip until later?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would be interested to find out what he looks like when bad, but I wonder if he'd be more flexible.

Here you go.

I looked into this back on Day 1 to decide if his behavior was a good enough reason to town read him. He was similarly critical of other people's Day 0/1 accusations, but he also made far fewer posts early in the game so it's difficult to draw a comparison.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Btw, I should note that I'm sucked in every time and only thought of this now, but is it not possible that wilgy is the last baddie but we just won't get the flip until later?

I suppose it's possible, yes.

[Golden]

Btw, I should note that I'm sucked in every time and only thought of this now, but is it not possible that wilgy is the last baddie but we just won't get the flip until later?

I suppose it's possible, yes.

It wouldn't line up with the theory that Wilgy was killed by a town vig, though, since I'd expect the game to be over in that case... so... I dunno, guess we'll find out in time.