Nothing like coming home from a 14 hour work day to almost being lynched as a civ. But I digress...
And even though the lynch is over, I still feel compelled to answer things:
Elohcin wrote:LoRab wrote:Elohcin wrote:MacDougall wrote:I am interested to see what Elo has to say.
I am placing a vote for spirityo.
Why are you placing a vote for Sprit? Just curious.
Also, in my defense, why would I kill Epi Night 1. Sure, this is a game and I keep my RL separate for purposes of the game. I am not going to stand by my love through thick and thin, Day and Night, teammates or not. I am not nuts. I can keep the game separate from my undying love for him in RL
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But within my memory of games (which I admit isn't awesome) I've maybe killed Epi once, and I think it was late in the game when we were about to win. I think I have tried getting him lynched maybe once when I really thought he was bad, even though he wasn't. If there are other options available, I tend to try and let Epi live. Unless he is a real threat, I am not going to kill him. And in this game, he admitted that he had nothing on me. I wasn't worried about him. But...I guess I should have been. B/c apparently him voting for me made everyone squeemish. "Oh wow, Epi always reads Elo so well. He must know she is bad." yada yada yada. Makes me wonder if he had never voted me if anyone would be looking my way.
I like Sloonei's new take on the whole matter. Not only b/c it is better for me personally, but because it make sense. And I do think Lorab has been a sneaky sneak this game. I said as much yesterday or sometime.
I am not sure who I will vote yet. But I have to get my head out of mafia for a few hours.
You would kill Epi night 1 because he can read you. Also, "Unless he is a real threat, I am not going to kill him. And in this game, he admitted that he had nothing on me. I wasn't worried about him." sounds like there is something on you that he could have had. Why would you be worried about him having something on you if you're civ? Also, why does it matter if you weren't worried about him if you don't have a kill? This whole post makes me more suspicious of you.
Also, You did not say yesterday that I've been a sneaky sneak this game--only that you always read me as being sneaky and that you can't decide if you always read me this way or if you think I'm bad this game. I am not.
1. Who are you to tell me what I would do? I would not kill Epi Night 1 even if he could read me as well as he thinks he can. He is my husband. I know he enjoys mafia. I would never just kick him out b/c I am afraid he will read me one way or the other. That is just as absurd as keeping him around if I truly think he is bad.
2. There is ALWAYS something for someone to have on someone else in a game of Mafia. Whether that thing is true or not is another story. When Epi said he was going to vote me, I honestly took it as a joke. So much that I didn't even bother to go click on "view results" b/c I didn't think he actually did it.
3. It matters that I wasn't worried about him b/c... if I WERE bad and if I WERE worried about him, then I would have killed him. But, when neither of those things are in play....his kill cannot be blamed on me. So, I am telling you, you cannot blame ME for Epi's kill. That is why it matters.
4. Do I have to use the exact same word each time I talk? Am I an old robot? No, I can say sneak one day and sneaky-sneak another and it means the same thing.
I think your reaction post to mine sounds like a scared Lorab who has been found out.
1. I was speculating. I believe you are bad. Ergo, I think you killed him night 1. Also, this defense reeks of WIFOM.
2. I think we have different definitions of "have on someone." When I use/see the term, it means to me that there is accurate information that is possessed (either through info or inferred). So, let's chalk this point up to semantic difference of opinion.
3. I'm not sure what your point is here. Your language in your ealier post doesn't say the same thing as you're saying now.
4. Not my point, at all. My point was that earlier you said that I always seemed sneaky and you can't decide if I am in this game and then later claimed that you had said that I was sneaky in this game. It had nothing to do with your adjectives, but with the fact that you say that you said something you didn't say.
In short: the post I was talking about read like a defense that a baddie would make and did not seem to come from a civ perspective.
Sloonei wrote:I see LoRab has decided that Elohcin killed SVS to silence her. What convinced you of this, LoRab?
Um....I don't understand this question. This is the point I made in my first post this cycle.
DrWilgy wrote:LoRab wrote:DrWilgy wrote:Back from camping. What did I miss?
You missed giving any reason why you think I'm bad. Nor have you responded to any thing I've said in defense of myself. Nor did you post when you voted. Fly by votes did not become a thing that are appreciated while you were camping--but hope you had fun. Also, I'm not bad.
yo yo yo
I totally said "Back from camping. What did I miss?" when I voted, don't spread false info.
That doesn't say that you were voting, that you were caught up, or for whom you were voting. So, it's still a driveby vote. Nothing I'm saying is false.
insertnamehere wrote:At this point, I'd be more likely to vote Lorab than Elo. I don't necessarily think that SVS was killed for some elaborate Elochin frame job, but Lorab's opportunistic bandwagon hoppery with him jumping on both my case and Elo's out of nowhere gets my goat to a larger degree than the case against Elo, which has gotten pretty stale over the days with less and less new evidence coming out against her.
Lorab is someone on my list of people I had planned to ISO, that I haven't gotten around to yet. Idk, maybe I'm just biased because he went after me for, in my subjective opinion, less than reasonable reasons.
Seriously? How many games have we played together that you don't know my gender at this point? Not cool, dude.
And I never said Elo was being killed for a frame job, just pointing it out as one possibility. Obviously not the one that I actually think is the case, since I voted for her and have been posting about my suspicion of her the entire day.
And you never actually answered the reasons that I suspected you. Just the reasons that others suspected you.
DrWilgy wrote:It's simple my dear Sloon!
LoRab wrote:DrWilgy wrote:Glad Epi is dead. I was gut feeling him as bad and this makes my life easier.
Someone tl;dr me for day/night 1.
So, a civ is very likely dead and you are glad about it? Hrm.
First LoRab draws attention to me and does nothing with it. Especially when the LoRab ignores my questioning of the attention draw as seen below:
DrWilgy wrote:@Sloonei I gut read you as bad from me due to a feeling of dancing around the pizza last night. A forced non-grasping of the Rico situation. This is heavily dependent upon other's alignements though.
@Sprityo I gut read you due to your request of wishing to team with Mac following mine.
@Lorab, yes that is what I stated. Your point?
After this, LoRab jumps at the fact that She called me out for expressing happiness at a successful kill (see below)
LoRab wrote:DrWilgy wrote:a2thezebra wrote:DrWilgy wrote:Omoshiroi desu ne?
Is LoRab still bad?
Yes. Rico's alignment in my head was more based on Lorab. Lorab is still bad tho.
Except that I'm not. If you care to say why you think I'm bad, please do. Thus far, your reasoning for suspecting me was based on my voting not for Ricoh to swing the pendulum away from him--we now know that he was neutral and didn't have a team. So....why do you think I'm bad?
Is it because I called you out for expressing happiness that the mafia had a successful kill?
The above still wasn't responded to. What was the point of calling it out? was it alignment telling? and how so? The questions still stands "Your point?"
LoRab wrote:Quin wrote:LoRab wrote:DrWilgy wrote:Glad Epi is dead. I was gut feeling him as bad and this makes my life easier.
Someone tl;dr me for day/night 1.
So, a civ is very likely dead and you are glad about it? Hrm.
His post caught my attention as well. Did I make a mistake letting it go based on the fact that it came from Wilgy? I don't think so.
Sloonei mentioned in a post that you were pinged by 3J's roleplay earlier, LoRab. Can you elaborate on why? Was there a reason to suspect him for it in this specific case, or is it based on principle?
Based on principle. That's a behavior that always pings my suspiciometer. However, he's had high content and has broken character enough at this point and I don't suspect him. At least not currently.
And then... Finally points out the subject of me being bad, while still not acknowledging my question. Only brought it back up to attention because Quin did. Why ignore my question if you really thought I was bad LoRab?
And that's it for what LoRab has stated to highten my suspicions. Below is what LoRab has done, and LoRabs response to my vote yesterday.
LoRab wrote:Thanks for birthday wishes!!
DrWilgy wrote:Why Rico and Lorab are most likely bad together: Rico had the lead for way too long without another vote dropping on him. Lorabs vote had way too much momentum swinging the other way as well.
Time for me to catch up now.
Linki: there it is.
Except not. Also, it may be because I had several drinks, but I'm not even sure I get what you're saying. Regardless, I'm not bad.
Also, now knowing the lynch result, not rico'a teammate
I still stand by the fact LoRab's vote held too much momentum, for someone who didn't seem to know who they wanted to vote for fully at the time especially. The icing on the cake is the colored. Why did that need to be mentioned? If LoRab was truly civ I don't think the thought of "I don't know Rico's outcome" would've been broadcasted, as it's a background natural thought of a civ.
And that's why I think LoRab is bad. If you have no more questions please take a pamphlet on your way out
I apologize for not answering your question. I thought my point was self evident. Civs don't generally celebrate dead civs. I find that doing so is inherently suspicious. Something being suspicious doesn't mean I necessarily think the person is most likely bad--it means that they've done something that makes me wonder if they could be. Does that clarify?
I don't understand what you mean by momentum, maybe. And why would momentum matter in that particular lynch? I'm really not sure what you mean here. I had understood you originally to be saying that I was trying to start a counter-bandwagon to save a teammate. My post that you quote was based on that interpretation of your earlier posts. The highlighted point was therefore important because I couldn't have been trying to save a teammate, as Rico as a neutral role didn't have temmates. This post, let it be noted, was made AFTER the lynch, not before--so, to say that I was saying "I don't know Rico's outcome" isn't even an accurate paraphrase.
Sloonei wrote:LoRab wrote:I may be odd, but I'm not bad. I came out with a theory that was just a theory. I was throwing out an idea. Of course I wasn't sure if it. I did think the svs kill strange and I didn't perceive her as a "consensus civ." I personally wasn't sure of her until she was killed. So yes, I thought her an odd choice. I often add caveats of u sureness to theories because they are just theories and I tend to question my own ideas. And my conclusion, if you read my post, is that Eli is suspicious. That it could have been a frame thing I mentioned as a possibility, but one less likely than her being bad.
I can't help being strange. It won't be the first or last time it has gotten me a vote. But I strut you that I am not bad. And if theorizing about what the baddies were thinking when they made a kill, then I'm not sure I understand how other people think about this game. That's what I do as a civ. I try to figure out the baddies. When I saw the kill, I immediately looked up svs's posts. Eli's was a name I had noticed, -'d was a player I already had suspicion of. I thought it worthy to mention, and shared my thought process. That's really what that post was.
I don't really know what else to say other than reiterate that I am. It bad.
Also, I have another more than 12 hour work day coming up, and I'm not sure how much I'll be on. So voting now. Voting elo.
My objection was not that you were speculating about SVS's kill, but that your speculation went to a peculiar place right away. I've been stressing all day long that "SVS was killed to by/to frame Elohcin" is nowhere near the first theory I would entertain, but it does seem to be the first place your mind went.
You also claim (highlighted) that Elohcin is a player you had previous suspicion of, but your post history absolutely does not back this up. I pointed out last night that the closest you came to suspecting Elohcin before SVS's death was to say that she "isn't sitting right", with no substantial reason to back this thought up. The way you came out of the gate today trying to pass the nightkill off as anything involving Elohcin at all just looks out of place and opportunistic, and for you to try to shrug it off now as "odd" is not helping me feel better about it.
linki out the wazoo
what is peculiar to one is not always peculiar to another. I posted my thoughts--they may be odd, but that's how I think.
And my earlier post about Elo was saying that I didn't have reasons I could articulate to suspect her, but that I did. I only named her there because I was asked. I tend to not post early suspicions because they're mainly tone based and therefore don't really have reasons that can be stated. That's all I really meant there.
I really, truly don't understand what you find about my post about the night kill that was strange to you--it was my natural thought process. What did you think might be the reason for that kill choice when you read the result?
MovingPictures07 wrote:LoRab wrote:Elohcin wrote:
Lorab - b/c (no offence) I always see her playstyle as sneaky and bad and I need to decide if it's real or just my predisposition.
No offense taken. And please look at my posts. I think you will realize that it is just your predisposition.
Sloonei wrote:I'm still most confident about Elohcin, but I also do not like the way LoRab immediately tried to spin SVS's death into something involving Eloh. It seemed like an unnatural response to me. I'd probably put her back near the top of my suspects list again.
It may be unnatural for you, but it was a natural response for me. I looked back at her posts after her death and Elo is one of the very few players she mentioned whose allignment we don't know (or can assume). You're the other one, but she seemed to mention Elo more. That combined with the night kill of Epi night 1, the connection got made in my mind. So I mentioned it. Either she's being framed, and I therefore want to think about what players would do that. Or she's bad and we therefore need to think about who else on a baddie team would make kills like that.
As to all who suspect me, I urge you to look at my posts. I'm civ. I'm trying my best and bringing things up as I see them. I still suspect INH. And I suspect Elo. My vote will likely be for one of those 2.
LoRab, forgive me if you've addressed this since or elsewhere and I haven't seen it, but do you have any other civilian or mafia reads (regardless of the intensity of your confidence in them) other than mafia reads of INH and Elo?
Those are my 2 main ones. My other suspicions are more amorphous: the low posters because they don't give us anything to go on. I keep getting pings from Dom, but he has also said things that feel civ to me--but he's on my list of considerations. Wilgy I find really hard to read, but he's said enough suspicious things, as stated, that I can't help but have an eyeball there. Indiglo is starting to be suspicious to me, because since replacing in, all of her posts have been about not having caught up--which is what I have seen baddies tend to do when they sub in. They know full well what is going on, but pretend not to because they haven't actually read the thread--just what has been reported by their team. Civs who sub in, on the other hand, tend to do their best to catch up, and often post along the way to show that they have been catching up. That, coupled with the fact that despite not catching up, she knows that she's been mentioned a few times, makes me eyeball her a bit. But all of those are somewhat vague suspicions and nothing I am ready to feel strongly about yet.
Also, and I hate to say this one because someone will say it's a switcheroo, but I am starting to seriously suspect Sloonei. I feel like he is being opportunistic. And that his accusation of me in the last lynch was an attempt to save Elo and get a counter bandwagon going, without having to actually defend Elo. It's a great way to defend a teammate without having to defend them--get folks to suspect someone else. I also feel that his accusations of me are a bit disingenuous--that I pointed out possibilities after a night kill, but then going back and saying that I only pointed out one of those possibilities. His posts are not feeling good to me.
Sloonei wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:Sloonei, are you in the midst of catching up as well?
I was. I just finished.
My vote is almost definitely staying on LoRab barring some crazy EoD shenanigans. I am not feeling as bad about Elohcin as I was previously, and my tunnel vision is focusing more and more on LoRab as the minutes go by. They are the only two I've committed enough time and energy on to comfortably offer a vote right now.
The thing about tunnel vision is that it isn't always right--and the more you tunnel, the less you are able to see that there are other possibilities. In this case, you are wrong about me--and, unfortunately, at this point you can't see the possibility that there are other explanations.
Quin wrote:Sloonei wrote:Quin! Your vote's on Elohcin. Why do you hate my case against LoRab?
I still see a train of thought that would bring him to see a second frame job as a possibility. That much of your case I hate. I don't hate the rest of it, but Eloh is still my biggest scum read.
Again, I'm female. We haven't had as many games together, so it doesn't annoy me like it did when INH got it wrong, but yeah.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Elohcin wrote:LoRab wrote:Elohcin wrote:MacDougall wrote:I am interested to see what Elo has to say.
I am placing a vote for spirityo.
Why are you placing a vote for Sprit? Just curious.
Also, in my defense, why would I kill Epi Night 1. Sure, this is a game and I keep my RL separate for purposes of the game. I am not going to stand by my love through thick and thin, Day and Night, teammates or not. I am not nuts. I can keep the game separate from my undying love for him in RL
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But within my memory of games (which I admit isn't awesome) I've maybe killed Epi once, and I think it was late in the game when we were about to win. I think I have tried getting him lynched maybe once when I really thought he was bad, even though he wasn't. If there are other options available, I tend to try and let Epi live. Unless he is a real threat, I am not going to kill him. And in this game, he admitted that he had nothing on me. I wasn't worried about him. But...I guess I should have been. B/c apparently him voting for me made everyone squeemish. "Oh wow, Epi always reads Elo so well. He must know she is bad." yada yada yada. Makes me wonder if he had never voted me if anyone would be looking my way.
I like Sloonei's new take on the whole matter. Not only b/c it is better for me personally, but because it make sense. And I do think Lorab has been a sneaky sneak this game. I said as much yesterday or sometime.
I am not sure who I will vote yet. But I have to get my head out of mafia for a few hours.
You would kill Epi night 1 because he can read you. Also, "Unless he is a real threat, I am not going to kill him. And in this game, he admitted that he had nothing on me. I wasn't worried about him." sounds like there is something on you that he could have had. Why would you be worried about him having something on you if you're civ? Also, why does it matter if you weren't worried about him if you don't have a kill? This whole post makes me more suspicious of you.
Also, You did not say yesterday that I've been a sneaky sneak this game--only that you always read me as being sneaky and that you can't decide if you always read me this way or if you think I'm bad this game. I am not.
1. Who are you to tell me what I would do? I would not kill Epi Night 1 even if he could read me as well as he thinks he can. He is my husband. I know he enjoys mafia. I would never just kick him out b/c I am afraid he will read me one way or the other. That is just as absurd as keeping him around if I truly think he is bad.
2. There is ALWAYS something for someone to have on someone else in a game of Mafia. Whether that thing is true or not is another story. When Epi said he was going to vote me, I honestly took it as a joke. So much that I didn't even bother to go click on "view results" b/c I didn't think he actually did it.
3. It matters that I wasn't worried about him b/c... if I WERE bad and if I WERE worried about him, then I would have killed him. But, when neither of those things are in play....his kill cannot be blamed on me. So, I am telling you, you cannot blame ME for Epi's kill. That is why it matters.
4. Do I have to use the exact same word each time I talk? Am I an old robot? No, I can say sneak one day and sneaky-sneak another and it means the same thing.
I think your reaction post to mine sounds like a scared Lorab who has been found out.
To double down on my previously floated theory, this back and forth very much reads like potential distancing to me, as if Elo and LoRab already have reason to believe the other person is bad. Otherwise I don't see how they're coming to their reads.
I assure you, that is not what is happening here. I suspect Elo. Her defense does not ring true to me. Nor do her accusations against me. I believe she is bad. I believe her "read" of me is bullshit.
My read of her comes partly from tone, partly from the night kills, and partly from her defense. All in all, I think there is more reason to think she is bad than there is to think she is good.
LINKITIS: And, it seems as if I were correct.
And more linkitis:
Sloonei wrote:Prior to that flip:
JaggedJimmyJay
After that flip:
JaggedJimmyJay
LoRab is still a suspect though. I still think her Day 3 entry looked highly opportunistic, and it would not surprise me if she was trying to get out ahead of the pack to bus a teammate who was already on the way out.
Again, you are tunnelling--and coming to an incorrect conclusion. And I don't think Elo's lynch was a done deal at the very start of this day cycle, so I'm not sure how it was opportunistic.
Sloonei wrote:MovingPictures
Quin
zebra
Jay
motel room
Mac
DrWilgy
Dom
Insertnamehere
indiglo
Glorfindel
sprityo
LoRab
A lot of this is fuzzy and things are subject to change greatly depending on LoRab's alignment. That's where I want to start tomorrow and we'll see where things go from there.
These rankings are also subject to change whenever. I'm still processing things. I'm gonna step away from the thread for a while in a minute.
You are 100% wrong about me. And I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but it's becoming increasingly more difficult.
But, that said. Pretend for a moment that you know that I am a civ. Who would you then suspect?
Also, I meant to add earlier, but forgot to mention (I was reading the thread on my phone between Hebrew school things and then ended up posting from the computer. The post where Elo posted the FEB smiley because her son wanted her to post it...that was what tipped the scale on my belief of her badness. Because, why would he want her to post that smiley unless he knew her role was evil. And, why post it and not use it in a different context. (Like, I think you're bad, so and so, FEB). Yeah. I just wanted to point that out because I forgot to earlier.
And, Elo, well played. You played the evil role well. I'm sorry personally that I figured out that you were bad and had to go after you--just like you were playing your evil role, I'm playing my civ role. And that role is to kill all the bad people.
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) Like, in my mind, civ 3J would be more measured, "I'll need to hear more from indiglo" or some such nonsense. Not immediately list my name as probable baddie team, when all my posts (and those of my predecessor) could be counted on 1 hand. Just feels "off" to me. 
I laughed. True. Story. 
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