MAD MAX: GAME OVER

#2251

I also feel that MP's responses to those who have suspected throughout the game have been alarmingly defensive, and I think he's the most likely candidate for JJJ's attempted NK. I admit that that's more speculative than his Day 1 antics with Eloh.

linki Sloonei - Which points do you flat-out disagree with and which points do you like?

#2252

Sloonei wrote:I like some of your points, zebra, but I also flat out disagree with several others. You definitely have tunnel vision working on MP right now. That is not neccesarily a bad thing. I can't wait to see how massive MP's response is. I assume it will need its own thread.

I am honestly feeling inspired. As much as I have waffled on MP, some of his early handling of matters-Elohcin just look plain bad. Which bits do you flatly disagree with? You don't have to go on a whole thing, just point them out.

#2253

DharmaHelper wrote:Rainbow lists are dumb and bad

They certainly can be, but in general I disagree.

#2254

Sloonei wrote:I like some of your points, zebra, but I also flat out disagree with several others. You definitely have tunnel vision working on MP right now. That is not neccesarily a bad thing. I can't wait to see how massive MP's response is. I assume it will need its own thread.

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#2255

He also took this post seriously

MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's a good thing Wilgy is confirmed bad. Makes the lynch decision today easy.
?!?!!?!?!

#2256

DharmaHelper wrote:Rainbow lists are dumb and bad

sure whatever grandpa

#2257

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:He also took this post seriously

MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's a good thing Wilgy is confirmed bad. Makes the lynch decision today easy.
?!?!!?!?!

To be fair, I wasn't sure if you meant that post to be taken seriously or not myself. I just didn't know what to make of it. Normally your not-so-serious posts are more transparently not-so-serious than that one.

#2258

On my phone and doing some housework at the moment, but I'll respond in more detail when i can.

#2259

a2thezebra wrote:For the record, my MP post stops at the chronological point that it does because after that second rainbow list it's fairly obvious that MP decided that bussing Eloh was the way to go and so from that point until Eloh's lynch he tried to make everyone forget how horrifically waffly he was on her at first.

But there's bussing and there's bussing. When he voted, 14 minutes before lynch end (time of his post), he put Elo ahead of me. I mean, I get throwing teammate under the bus, but that seems like a pretty bold move, when having someone else lynched was a really good possibilty. Why not hold off and vote 13 minutes later and see what happens. Or vote elsewhere. Also, his posts between lynch end and the result post read genuine to me.

I see why you are suspicious of him, but I'm not convinced.

#2260

Sloonei wrote:On my phone and doing some housework at the moment, but I'll respond in more detail when i can.

Sounds good. Don't rush but kind of do rush please. :P

linki @ LoRab - By asking why he would do that as a baddie, you answer your own question. It's to get civs to ask "why would they do that as a baddie" or better yet to say with conviction "player X definitely wouldn't do that as a baddie"? When something appears without motive for a baddie, and it therefore makes them look more civ, that's where the motive appears.

#2261

And as for it being a bold move, I can't say for certain that MP has made a bolder one as a baddie before but I would be surprised if he never did. I know I have for whatever that's worth.

#2262

Here for an hour, yo. I voted indiglo.

I'm not seeing some of your case, zebra. When you first bring up his rainbow lists you claim that it's suspicious that he's only sorted it into three categories as though there's some sort of strong civ/strong bad quota that he's expected to meet. I think that's a poor case. That was a Day 1 list, too. I can understand why it's not so thorough.

However, I agree that it's odd to suggest that the people he's put at the bottom of his 5-tier list are 'not particularly crazy suspicious'. I'd be more inclined to believe it if he didn't bother adding a strong bad tier.

#2263

Quin wrote:Here for an hour, yo. I voted indiglo.

I'm not seeing some of your case, zebra. When you first bring up his rainbow lists you claim that it's suspicious that he's only sorted it into three categories as though there's some sort of strong civ/strong bad quota that he's expected to meet. I think that's a poor case. That was a Day 1 list, too. I can understand why it's not so thorough.

However, I agree that it's odd to suggest that the people he's put at the bottom of his 5-tier list are 'not particularly crazy suspicious'. I'd be more inclined to believe it if he didn't bother adding a strong bad tier.

Why indiglo instead of Scotty? They have essentially the same case aginst them.

#2264

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:Here for an hour, yo. I voted indiglo.

I'm not seeing some of your case, zebra. When you first bring up his rainbow lists you claim that it's suspicious that he's only sorted it into three categories as though there's some sort of strong civ/strong bad quota that he's expected to meet. I think that's a poor case. That was a Day 1 list, too. I can understand why it's not so thorough.

However, I agree that it's odd to suggest that the people he's put at the bottom of his 5-tier list are 'not particularly crazy suspicious'. I'd be more inclined to believe it if he didn't bother adding a strong bad tier.
Why indiglo instead of Scotty? They have essentially the same case aginst them.

I haven't paid any attention to him yet. Point me in an appropriate direction.

#2265

Voted Wilgy.

Sorry I haven't been around but I'm still going off his voting, and not necessarily what people have said

#2266

indiglo

I have to go for the evening. An indiglo lynch appears more viable than a Scotty lynch. Whatever y'all do, don't let it end in a tie. I don't even strongly oppose an INH lynch. Just make sure we pick one.

#2267

Scotty wrote:Voted Wilgy.

Sorry I haven't been around but I'm still going off his voting, and not necessarily what people have said

What have people said?

#2268

Quin wrote:Here for an hour, yo. I voted indiglo.

I'm not seeing some of your case, zebra. When you first bring up his rainbow lists you claim that it's suspicious that he's only sorted it into three categories as though there's some sort of strong civ/strong bad quota that he's expected to meet. I think that's a poor case. That was a Day 1 list, too. I can understand why it's not so thorough.

However, I agree that it's odd to suggest that the people he's put at the bottom of his 5-tier list are 'not particularly crazy suspicious'. I'd be more inclined to believe it if he didn't bother adding a strong bad tier.

Regarding the underlined, that's not the whole case??? What???

Why make Day 1 rainbow lists (because that's right he made TWO rainbow lists on Day 1), which are meant to be thorough by definition, if they're not going to be thorough? Why not just list the reads that you feel relatively confident about and leave it at that, rather than trying to appear a thousand times more substantive? Come on.

linki - I'd be much more likely to vote for Scotty than indiglo. indiglo's frustration appears genuine to me, and if she were bad I actually think she would tone down the rage so as not to stand out as much. Scotty seems a bit too chill knowing that he's replaced a highly suspected slot. I have been wrong about him before though. Like earlier in this very game but hey whatever am I right

linki - I'll take my vote off of MP if (and only if) it is to prevent a tie.

#2269

Hey scotty

motel room wrote:
Scotty wrote:Just looking at the polls of the past few days, my biggest suspicion lies with Wilgy. I'm glad I didn't replace him, because I think he is bad, whereas The role I was given is not.

Note: I haven't read people's manifestos since day 1 when Scotty 1.0 was lynched, but I will try my best to catch up

Scotty wrote:I'm actually not going to comb through most of Day 2. I wish the poll thread had the order of the votes, but Wilgy's vote parallels with Elo.

Hard to do a voting analysis unless I spend an hour comparing time stamps from 30 pages ago, and my time is limited as a toddler's vocabulary is limited.
Is this just based on the last day's vote? Wilgy's vote on LoRab?

I'm not sure why you've singled out Wilgy. What do you make of the other voters on that wagon?

#2270

Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote:Why is JJJ confirmed good?

I mean, I think he looks pretty good regardless but isn't there a baddie that can survive their first NK attempt?
I had the tiniest bit of doubt about his confirmed status, but the host post says "Johnny the Boy" attempted to kill him, so that's a pretty strong confirmation.

You replaced sprityo, who was read as scum by 5 out of the 5 players who did the GTH exercise last night. It would have been 6 out of 6 had I been there. How do you feel about that?
Yes, I realize it would mean they would do a massive frame job, yes. It seems far-fetched but I don't like eliminating that possibility from the board.

As for everyone scumreading my predecessor...

He wasn't really around to do anything. JJJ calls it the low hanging fruit and rightfully so. I'm rather busy and don't really know what to answer to in the case of sprityo's faults. Could someone point me in the direction of why they view sprityo as bad and see if I can assuage any fears?

This is the best Scotty 2.0 post to look at imo. I don't think his response appears particularly thrilled. I get the vibe of a player who subbed in for a widely suspected scum (sprityo) and doesn't have the will to fight his way out of it. He can correct me if I'm wrong.

#2271

Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote:Why is JJJ confirmed good?

I mean, I think he looks pretty good regardless but isn't there a baddie that can survive their first NK attempt?
I had the tiniest bit of doubt about his confirmed status, but the host post says "Johnny the Boy" attempted to kill him, so that's a pretty strong confirmation.

You replaced sprityo, who was read as scum by 5 out of the 5 players who did the GTH exercise last night. It would have been 6 out of 6 had I been there. How do you feel about that?
Yes, I realize it would mean they would do a massive frame job, yes. It seems far-fetched but I don't like eliminating that possibility from the board.

As for everyone scumreading my predecessor...

He wasn't really around to do anything. JJJ calls it the low hanging fruit and rightfully so. I'm rather busy and don't really know what to answer to in the case of sprityo's faults. Could someone point me in the direction of why they view sprityo as bad and see if I can assuage any fears?
This is the best Scotty 2.0 post to look at imo. I don't think his response appears particularly thrilled. I get the vibe of a player who subbed in for a widely suspected scum (sprityo) and doesn't have the will to fight his way out of it. He can correct me if I'm wrong.

I agree, but are you saying that makes him more likely to be town or no?

#2272

a2thezebra wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote:Why is JJJ confirmed good?

I mean, I think he looks pretty good regardless but isn't there a baddie that can survive their first NK attempt?
I had the tiniest bit of doubt about his confirmed status, but the host post says "Johnny the Boy" attempted to kill him, so that's a pretty strong confirmation.

You replaced sprityo, who was read as scum by 5 out of the 5 players who did the GTH exercise last night. It would have been 6 out of 6 had I been there. How do you feel about that?
Yes, I realize it would mean they would do a massive frame job, yes. It seems far-fetched but I don't like eliminating that possibility from the board.

As for everyone scumreading my predecessor...

He wasn't really around to do anything. JJJ calls it the low hanging fruit and rightfully so. I'm rather busy and don't really know what to answer to in the case of sprityo's faults. Could someone point me in the direction of why they view sprityo as bad and see if I can assuage any fears?
This is the best Scotty 2.0 post to look at imo. I don't think his response appears particularly thrilled. I get the vibe of a player who subbed in for a widely suspected scum (sprityo) and doesn't have the will to fight his way out of it. He can correct me if I'm wrong.
I agree, but are you saying that makes him more likely to be town or no?

No.

#2273

Do you then think that it makes him more likely to be bad or is it simply not alignment-indicative?

#2274

a2thezebra wrote:Do you then think that it makes him more likely to be bad or is it simply not alignment-indicative?

I think that post makes him look bad.

#2275

Sloonei wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Do you then think that it makes him more likely to be bad or is it simply not alignment-indicative?
I think that post makes him look bad.

Then we agree completely.

#2276

a2thezebra wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Do you then think that it makes him more likely to be bad or is it simply not alignment-indicative?
I think that post makes him look bad.
Then we agree completely.

He'd be my second choice after INH if things start to change near the deadline.

#2277

Sloonei wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Do you then think that it makes him more likely to be bad or is it simply not alignment-indicative?
I think that post makes him look bad.
Then we agree completely.
He'd be my second choice after INH if things start to change near the deadline.

I've been waffling on INH a bit I confess. I don't think JJJ is being naive to suggest that INH's rage is incompatible with a civ role card, but that still doesn't mean INH is civ.

#2278

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Scotty wrote:Voted Wilgy.

Sorry I haven't been around but I'm still going off his voting, and not necessarily what people have said
What have people said?

I'm saying I don't know wat people have said. This is based off of the vote polls.

motel room wrote:Hey scotty
motel room wrote:
Scotty wrote:Just looking at the polls of the past few days, my biggest suspicion lies with Wilgy. I'm glad I didn't replace him, because I think he is bad, whereas The role I was given is not.

Note: I haven't read people's manifestos since day 1 when Scotty 1.0 was lynched, but I will try my best to catch up

Scotty wrote:I'm actually not going to comb through most of Day 2. I wish the poll thread had the order of the votes, but Wilgy's vote parallels with Elo.

Hard to do a voting analysis unless I spend an hour comparing time stamps from 30 pages ago, and my time is limited as a toddler's vocabulary is limited.
Is this just based on the last day's vote? Wilgy's vote on LoRab?

I'm not sure why you've singled out Wilgy. What do you make of the other voters on that wagon?

Hey.

His votes just seem too parallel to Elo's. ,

I feel like I'm playing horribly from subbing in. I'm sorry guys, gotta do a show

#2279

Scotty wrote:His votes just seem too parallel to Elo's. ,

Do you think scum would normally vote together?

#2280

a2thezebra wrote:
Quin wrote:Here for an hour, yo. I voted indiglo.

I'm not seeing some of your case, zebra. When you first bring up his rainbow lists you claim that it's suspicious that he's only sorted it into three categories as though there's some sort of strong civ/strong bad quota that he's expected to meet. I think that's a poor case. That was a Day 1 list, too. I can understand why it's not so thorough.

However, I agree that it's odd to suggest that the people he's put at the bottom of his 5-tier list are 'not particularly crazy suspicious'. I'd be more inclined to believe it if he didn't bother adding a strong bad tier.
Regarding the underlined, that's not the whole case??? What???

Why make Day 1 rainbow lists (because that's right he made TWO rainbow lists on Day 1), which are meant to be thorough by definition, if they're not going to be thorough? Why not just list the reads that you feel relatively confident about and leave it at that, rather than trying to appear a thousand times more substantive? Come on.

linki - I'd be much more likely to vote for Scotty than indiglo. indiglo's frustration appears genuine to me, and if she were bad I actually think she would tone down the rage so as not to stand out as much. Scotty seems a bit too chill knowing that he's replaced a highly suspected slot. I have been wrong about him before though. Like earlier in this very game but hey whatever am I right

linki - I'll take my vote off of MP if (and only if) it is to prevent a tie.

Rainbow lists aren't particularly thorough at all in comparison to a built case. It's just a framework, for lack of a better word. I guess I am a little concerned about his decision to specify that his leanings were slight when a three-tier list generally doesn't go into that level of detail. I'd like him to address your concerns.

#2281

a2thezebra wrote:Why make Day 1 rainbow lists (because that's right he made TWO rainbow lists on Day 1), which are meant to be thorough by definition, if they're not going to be thorough? Why not just list the reads that you feel relatively confident about and leave it at that, rather than trying to appear a thousand times more substantive? Come on.

This absolutely bothers me and I used to have it on my list of tells back in RYM but I've sort of dropped it here because everyone here is so into it. Didn't even pick it up this time.

#2282

motel room wrote:
Scotty wrote:His votes just seem too parallel to Elo's. ,
Do you think scum would normally vote together?

Yes, Wilgy did this as a baddie in the Kingdoms game. He cray cray

#2283

Other things since I feel like a botched Brazilian wax right now.

I trust JJJ as a civ but I don't believe everything he says as gospel. Everyone makes mistakes, and although he (and others) felt strongly Scotty 1.0 was bad, he was wrong. Granted, I don't blame him for voting that way.

I suspected MP for some things day 1 that I hope to come back and quote later on during the day tomorrow.

Motel room, I have a slight mafia read on you. Why? Gut.

#2284

My preferred lynch order for the 4 players who currently have multiple votes:

INH
Scotty
indiglo
DrWilgy

Avoiding a tie is obviously a priority. I am not willing to move my vote off INH for indiglo at this time. I will move to Scotty if that will produce a lynch. It doesn't appear we have a ton of people online right now, and only zebra is not currently on one of these wagons. I think those of us who are here should be working together to make the most satisfying lynch.

Would y'all who are here mind sharing your own rankings of these 4 players?

#2285

I skimmed random part so of the thread this evening.
I don't remember Quin's baddie game, but this could be it. I like the substance in his posts. They're pretty qualitative which is, on the surface, good.

I'm not qualified based on my lack of substantive re reading to give GTH reads, which is also why I showed up now to vote for one person whom I suspect, and not get caught up in back and forth discussions because I'm tight pressed for time

#2286

Scotty wrote:Other things since I feel like a botched Brazilian wax right now.

I trust JJJ as a civ but I don't believe everything he says as gospel. Everyone makes mistakes, and although he (and others) felt strongly Scotty 1.0 was bad, he was wrong. Granted, I don't blame him for voting that way.

I suspected MP for some things day 1 that I hope to come back and quote later on during the day tomorrow.

Motel room, I have a slight mafia read on you. Why? Gut.

Your vote for Wilgy looks to me like you are trying to avoid having to make a critical decision while still appearing to cast a meaningful vote. Wanna tell me why I'm wrong to think this?

#2287

Scotty wrote:I skimmed random part so of the thread this evening.
I don't remember Quin's baddie game, but this could be it. I like the substance in his posts. They're pretty qualitative which is, on the surface, good.

I'm not qualified based on my lack of substantive re reading to give GTH reads, which is also why I showed up now to vote for one person whom I suspect, and not get caught up in back and forth discussions because I'm tight pressed for time

What makes you say he could be bad? Nothing in this post suggests a baddie read.

#2288

Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote:Why is JJJ confirmed good?

I mean, I think he looks pretty good regardless but isn't there a baddie that can survive their first NK attempt?
I had the tiniest bit of doubt about his confirmed status, but the host post says "Johnny the Boy" attempted to kill him, so that's a pretty strong confirmation.

You replaced sprityo, who was read as scum by 5 out of the 5 players who did the GTH exercise last night. It would have been 6 out of 6 had I been there. How do you feel about that?
Yes, I realize it would mean they would do a massive frame job, yes. It seems far-fetched but I don't like eliminating that possibility from the board.

As for everyone scumreading my predecessor...

He wasn't really around to do anything. JJJ calls it the low hanging fruit and rightfully so. I'm rather busy and don't really know what to answer to in the case of sprityo's faults. Could someone point me in the direction of why they view sprityo as bad and see if I can assuage any fears?
This is the best Scotty 2.0 post to look at imo. I don't think his response appears particularly thrilled. I get the vibe of a player who subbed in for a widely suspected scum (sprityo) and doesn't have the will to fight his way out of it. He can correct me if I'm wrong.

I had concerns about sprityo that I wanted answered before he got replaced, but I like that Scotty questioned the universal civ read for 3J. It shows a lack of interest in the wider specifics of the game which baddies can't afford to have.

I'll want to ISO Scotty, but I need to head out for now.

#2289

I am getting all up in people's guts. Hopefully the back way.

Scotty seeing as you're around, what do you make of insertnamehere? Gut read?

#2290

lol scotty doesn't even have any votes. I was thinking Jay was still on him and counting my own hypothetical vote, I guess.

#2291

Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote:I skimmed random part so of the thread this evening.
I don't remember Quin's baddie game, but this could be it. I like the substance in his posts. They're pretty qualitative which is, on the surface, good.

I'm not qualified based on my lack of substantive re reading to give GTH reads, which is also why I showed up now to vote for one person whom I suspect, and not get caught up in back and forth discussions because I'm tight pressed for time
What makes you say he could be bad? Nothing in this post suggests a baddie read.

And like, this.

#2292

Sloonei wrote:My preferred lynch order for the 4 players who currently have multiple votes:

INH
Scotty
indiglo
DrWilgy

Avoiding a tie is obviously a priority. I am not willing to move my vote off INH for indiglo at this time. I will move to Scotty if that will produce a lynch. It doesn't appear we have a ton of people online right now, and only zebra is not currently on one of these wagons. I think those of us who are here should be working together to make the most satisfying lynch.

Would y'all who are here mind sharing your own rankings of these 4 players?

I had indiglo and scotty other way around before scotty showed up in the thread, now those two look pretty equal to me in your order, and agree Wilgy at the bottom.

#2293

Sloonei wrote:My preferred lynch order for the 4 players who currently have multiple votes:

INH
Scotty
indiglo
DrWilgy

Avoiding a tie is obviously a priority. I am not willing to move my vote off INH for indiglo at this time. I will move to Scotty if that will produce a lynch. It doesn't appear we have a ton of people online right now, and only zebra is not currently on one of these wagons. I think those of us who are here should be working together to make the most satisfying lynch.

Would y'all who are here mind sharing your own rankings of these 4 players?

Not Scotty.

I firmly believe that you all ade deadset on sprityo being mafia before I arrived, and topped with my lack of time I can only

If I'm the best lynch you have based on a mostly inactive before me and me being pretty close to inactive as well, then so be it. I can't say looking in from your PoV that I wouldn't vote for me either as a continuation vote, because I usually love those but all I can say in my defense right now is:

I am not bad.
I haven't fully caught up. You all view sprityo as bad and want me to make reads, while still keeping me on the burner.
I can't promise I'll be the most attentive person, since subbing in wasnot particularly on my agenda since getting lynched as 1.0, but give me a shot.

#2294

motel room wrote:I am getting all up in people's guts. Hopefully the back way.

Scotty seeing as you're around, what do you make of insertnamehere? Gut read?

Not really worth my opinion, but off hand? A really crafty bad guy or a pissed off good guy. Haven't even analyzed his votes or anything.

Ok, I have to do this show now.

Make sure it doesn't end in a tie is my request.

#2295

I appreciate your effort here, Scotty, but I am also underwhelmed by it. I'm afraid I still feel compelled to maybe vote for you.

#2296

zebra, who would you prefer: INH or indiglo? Your MP vote isn't doing much right now. I'd definitely like him to be a bigger topic of discussion tomorrow though.

#2297

This thread is literally only busy if I'm not in it.

#2298

I dont know whether I like or dont like that scotty isnt putting a vote on INH or indiglo.

#2299

motel room wrote:I dont know whether I like or dont like that scotty isnt putting a vote on INH or indiglo.

I do not like it. I said so and he did not respond to me.

#2300

We seem to agree on the 4 main candidates, motel room. I propose we sit here twiddling our thumbs until someone else comes along.

Who squashed LoRab?