Easter Mafia [GAME OVER]

[wolbre04]

That's pretty neat.

I've never sewed, but I learned how to knit last year, also just basic things.

You can make pan holders too, the little padded ones that look like washcloths

[ColinIsCool]

Wolbre’s early vote could conceivably have been D1 distancing. The fact that he wasn’t around at EOD, though, means we won’t know how he would have reacted to seeing it snowball.

[Elohcin]

Good job guys! As I was reading through what was going on, I would have changed to Chou if I were here EoD. But alas, I was hanging out with the family.

I will try to be more active. My heart's just not in it.

Charlie Blackmon can keep your heart. I'll take a read or two instead.

I think you, jay, and dyslexicon seem trustworthy.

[Marmot]

yay

[ColinIsCool]

- My gut and brain are torn on so many of these reads. My brain says Jay is strong town, my gut says he's slight town. Similar deal with Quin. Reverse it with Dizzy and lapluie; slight town from brain and strong town from gut. Colin, Marmot, and Kyle are all in a similar boat, but I feel like at least one of the three is bad, and GTH right now I think that player is Kyle. I could totally be off though, and this begs reassessment and further evaluation as to why exactly I feel that way. To try to elaborate why I feel that way now... Colin and Kyle are more liked by my brain but my gut is skeptical. Marmot is absolutely loved by my gut but my brain says he's possibly the worst looking player right now; the gut read is a bit stronger in the end. Why Kyle sticks out of the 3 is... hard to say, other than I thought his continued discussion of Choutas looked forced and inauthentic -- exactly the opposite of what Jay took out of the posts. Charlienosis, Elohcin, and Scotty are the biggest question marks in my mind right now and default to slight mafia; they need to come in and town it up ASAP if they are town.

I have a lot of work to do today; I'll probably not be around until D2.

I get a strong “thinking out loud” vibe here, which is NAI and fine, but you do realize this doesn’t tell us much at all, right? That’s a lot of words for “I don’t know” and feels like it could almost be exaggerated.

[lapluie]

Marmot spelt Carey as karie

[wolbre04]

Wolbre’s early vote could conceivably have been D1 distancing. The fact that he wasn’t around at EOD, though, means we won’t know how he would have reacted to seeing it snowball.

I think my sole post about Croutons was Get the hell in here and then I voted for him. Hard to call that distancing

[wolbre04]

Wolbre’s early vote could conceivably have been D1 distancing. The fact that he wasn’t around at EOD, though, means we won’t know how he would have reacted to seeing it snowball.

I think my sole post about Croutons was Get the hell in here and then I voted for him. Hard to call that distancing

I read the thread and nothing else would've made me want to change my vote. Although the people hopping on him like mad later on...

[wolbre04]

Wolbre’s early vote could conceivably have been D1 distancing. The fact that he wasn’t around at EOD, though, means we won’t know how he would have reacted to seeing it snowball.

I think my sole post about Croutons was Get the hell in here and then I voted for him. Hard to call that distancing

I read the thread and nothing else would've made me want to change my vote. Although the people hopping on him like mad later on...

Look at Greece and the latest game where I prodded people with votes. "Oooooo how suspicious!" , even harder to call this distancing when I've done it in 2 of 3 games I've been in before this and I flip civ

[ColinIsCool]

It wasn’t a hard accusation, just something that a teammate could potentially do. I think other people look a lot worse.

[wolbre04]

Oh my god, when I have to fill a post with gifs you know the posts about me have become a giant mess

Wolbre’s early vote could conceivably have been D1 distancing. The fact that he wasn’t around at EOD, though, means we won’t know how he would have reacted to seeing it snowball.

I think my sole post about Croutons was Get the hell in here and then I voted for him. Hard to call that distancing

I read the thread and nothing else would've made me want to change my vote. Although the people hopping on him like mad later on...

Look at Greece and the latest game where I prodded people with votes. "Oooooo how suspicious!" , even harder to call this distancing when I've done it in 2 of 3 games I've been in before this and I flip civ

No shade, all of these sum up my reaction to the bussing thing


The haters when they find the truth


Here's a gif of me demonstrating the hypocrisy



These two are me actually shading you monkeys

[ColinIsCool]

Did that post of mine really warrant 4 of yours in defense ... ?

[wolbre04]

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention]
This gif isn't targeted at you but you might like it

[wolbre04]

Yes

[wolbre04]

I don't want to wake up to a bunch of votes on me

[ColinIsCool]

[Marmot]

Charlie Blackmon, you're up to bat.

[Scotty]

Catching up:

ThNks jjj for doing the interactive analysis. As I suspected, choutas doesn’t have too many interactions with anyone. But there’s still stuff to look at with voting.

Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

This definitely struck me as odd and I’m glad Marmot brought it up. I think that a player could make that mistake in either alignment, but I think even moreso in a situation where a mafioso is moving around names on their spectrum list to make sure they cover all their bases. Matter of fact, j would make sure I didn’t miss my teammates. I think missing teammates would look more damning than not, and double teammates, albeit careless, is a slightly better mistake.

In wolbre’s case, I see definite possibility of teammate collusion there.

[Scotty]

Scotty, Epig and Eloh are all like:

I am hardly a Jennifer Lopez type

also what does this mean? Are you talking about being off the choutas train?

[wolbre04]

Scotty, Epig and Eloh are all like:

I am hardly a Jennifer Lopez type

also what does this mean? Are you talking about being off the choutas train?

Jesus Christ that's mariah Carey not JLO

[Scotty]

I'm torn on Marmot because my gut still thinks he sounds genuine, but another thing I just thought of: Marmot said something to the effect of not understanding the suspicion on him. He also suspects me despite the fact that his EoD behavior is essentially the most comparable to my own. I tend to think I throw out statements like that more when I'm mafia than town, but again, that's a self-assessment off the top of my head so it could be completely inaccurate, and otherwise I'm certainly not comparable to everyone else. Is there any anecdotal evidence about this? Are players more likely to make a statement re: not understanding suspicion as town or mafia, or does it depend on the player?

You’re posing a lot of questions of “would mafia do this” in these posts in a row. But every person is different, soooo trying to read into what the general mafioso would do is like trying to blindly read the nutritional facts on a cereal box.

Would mafia ask so many questions about asking so many questions?

[Scotty]

I'm taking in all of what you're saying, MP. Don't think I have an actual response though.

What happened with you and Jimmeeey mi day, btw? That quarrel/discussion thing seemed out of the blue to me and pops up in my head now and then.

I appreciate it. I'm just thinking out loud as much as I can, and hopefully at least some of it is useful. We've hit an awesome result, but while we can continue to kick ass and I hope we do, it can unfortunately go awry from here, so I'm trying to consider all of the possibilities. I've seen town blow something like before by being too closed-minded.

I'm not sure I could articulate anything particularly illuminating other than what's already in the thread. I was distrusting of Jay. I still am, very slightly, but he's OK for now. He apparently thought something I said was nonsense and pushed me on it. I'm not sure what he thinks right now exactly.

How much of jay’s interactive analysis do you agree with? You don’t trust him, so is there anything he brought up that looks awry? I know you already answered your own analysis

[Scotty]

Since Choutas was never here at the EoD, I find it less likely that someone who pushed his wagon was bussing him, because he wasn't around to talk about it.



Wolbre's vote was so early on that I don't find it to be town-supporting evidence.

Quin, Kyle, and Jay all built the wagon into a lead. I don't believe any of them bussed Choutas.

MP and I voted last second. I know my alignment, and I've stated my thoughts on MP already.

Lol you would think that, since you were one of the last people to vote him

like you never even talked about wolbre at all before then.

[Scotty]

Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

I have to ask - why? Quin also appears twice and it was just an error in copypasting names over. I don't understand how there could be any degree of correlation between Me listing croutons and queen twice ergo them being on a team with me when coitus flips rabbit

I legitimately want to know what could tie me to this? Many times it feels like people are grasping hard at straws and it feels like you're tinfoiling.

Why are you worried about how it could tie you to it? That’s akin to a guilty person being questioned about a crime they committed and them responding “yeah? Where’s your proof?!”

[Scotty]

Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

I have to ask - why? Quin also appears twice and it was just an error in copypasting names over. I don't understand how there could be any degree of correlation between Me listing croutons and queen twice ergo them being on a team with me when coitus flips rabbit

The thing about the Choutas one is that you listed two very different thoughts. In one you described his meta. In the other, you asked who she was. I just don't understand how you can thinking both of these things about the same person, because thinking one of them doesn't suggest you'd also be thinking the other one.

I also don't understand the Mariah Karie reference so

Okay I feel like I'm being trolled
1. His meta is low posting
2. He was posting nothing (which is less than low) this game -> "who is she" AKA WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU

Is “who is she” a common street slang? I might be a little behind on my cool kid lingo, but if it is, please enlighten me.

But mixing up gender roles in the same post? That looks like a slip, bub. Feels forced.
But again, if it is some sort of common phrase people say, like #shehashadit then the prosecution retracts it’s statement

[Scotty]

The manager gets pretty upset when we're on the Internet and not listening to him, but I'm in the bathroom right now to squeeze this in:

I believe wolbre04 is in the same lineup as Cooties. The reason I say this is when he had my name in blue, he said he was thinking about "Upickem," which reminded me of this one Iranian ball player Hassan Upickem, who many years ago killed a man and acted like the victim was still alive. Crazy guy actually got away with it. This feels like a similar ruse.

Been meaning to ask you- what do you think of Elo this game? You seem to imply she isn’t a great liar. She hasn’t really done much thus far in terms of making traceable statements, but is there anything in her tone that raises your eyebrows?

[Scotty]

Good job guys! As I was reading through what was going on, I would have changed to Chou if I were here EoD. But alas, I was hanging out with the family.

I will try to be more active. My heart's just not in it.

Charlie Blackmon can keep your heart. I'll take a read or two instead.

I think you, jay, and dyslexicon seem trustworthy.

Hi Elo

You have a good pallate for townreading. Who do you think is suspicious?

[Scotty]

Scotty, Epig and Eloh are all like:

I am hardly a Jennifer Lopez type

also what does this mean? Are you talking about being off the choutas train?

Jesus Christ that's mariah Carey not JLO

yyyyikes



i only learned a few years ago that jlo was a singer. I only knew her from maid in manhattan

[Scotty]

Wolbre and Jay teammates

Agreed. Marmot's teammates identified.

I can’t get this quote from marmot’s entrance out of my head. I strongly feel like jjj is town this game, so I don’t think Marmot called out his scummates here. But I currently suspect wolbre and wouldn’t be surprised if Marmot threw in one of his teammates in this too. Marmot votes choutas end of day, wolbre voted early before vhoutas even had votes. Coming in from different angles to form an isosceles triangle. I can see it

[Scotty]

I dont feel like lynching Floyd tomorrow. Maybe down the road if we’re having trouble in paradise finding the active scummates (there’s at least one), but not soon.

If nutella it whoever does replace in, then great

[Scotty]

Lallaala talking with myself

I haven’t event touched on dys yet. Or Colin. Or Quin. Golly gee

[Scotty]

Here's My Reads list, I'll try to provide a small quip next to each one (just in the order i saw them)
Order of the Manboob
Wolbre04 - lord and savior
JJJ - t/t argument with MP7, me and Lilefer have a similar way of playing as t/t against each other


Knights of the Nipple

Kyle
Lapluie - compared to a previous civ game, u look good
Colin
Quin
Nova - fine except that JJJ vote
MP7 - Argument with Jay seems t/t
Marmot/Mac - got us info that makes laplui look pretty good
Quin


Charlie Black Man - baseball guy who isn't actually a black man
Choutas - his meta is low posting and not being around much
Dizzy - dont like your vote on JJJ
Scotty - always wants me dead
Choutas - Who is she

Sekiy
Elohcin
Floyd - Who is she

really exhausted tbh, ima get some sleep, cya guys later

Choutas is in this rainbow twice.

Choutas - his meta is low posting and not being around much
Choutas - Who is she

wolbre, what in the world does this mean? You wrote off that Choutas has the meta of low-posting, and asked who she was??

I'm green in there despite my vote on JJJ being bad according to him. That vote and case I have on JJJ are the only contribution I had D1.

Bing bong. This is basically an antidefense for himself. Nova had no interaction with choutas and felt almost as empty as choutas. I could very well vote here tomorrow if nothing else is inspiring me. But I feel inspired in general and it’s not the xanax

[wolbre04]

Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

I have to ask - why? Quin also appears twice and it was just an error in copypasting names over. I don't understand how there could be any degree of correlation between Me listing croutons and queen twice ergo them being on a team with me when coitus flips rabbit

The thing about the Choutas one is that you listed two very different thoughts. In one you described his meta. In the other, you asked who she was. I just don't understand how you can thinking both of these things about the same person, because thinking one of them doesn't suggest you'd also be thinking the other one.

I also don't understand the Mariah Karie reference so

Okay I feel like I'm being trolled
1. His meta is low posting
2. He was posting nothing (which is less than low) this game -> "who is she" AKA WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU

Is “who is she” a common street slang? I might be a little behind on my cool kid lingo, but if it is, please enlighten me.

But mixing up gender roles in the same post? That looks like a slip, bub. Feels forced.
But again, if it is some sort of common phrase people say, like #shehashadit then the prosecution retracts it’s statement

We use it on my home forum a lot. It's ATRL slang, as the cool kids say, like "I'll snatch your weave bitch" or "Stanning someone"

[Scotty]

Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

I have to ask - why? Quin also appears twice and it was just an error in copypasting names over. I don't understand how there could be any degree of correlation between Me listing croutons and queen twice ergo them being on a team with me when coitus flips rabbit

The thing about the Choutas one is that you listed two very different thoughts. In one you described his meta. In the other, you asked who she was. I just don't understand how you can thinking both of these things about the same person, because thinking one of them doesn't suggest you'd also be thinking the other one.

I also don't understand the Mariah Karie reference so

Okay I feel like I'm being trolled
1. His meta is low posting
2. He was posting nothing (which is less than low) this game -> "who is she" AKA WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU

Is “who is she” a common street slang? I might be a little behind on my cool kid lingo, but if it is, please enlighten me.

But mixing up gender roles in the same post? That looks like a slip, bub. Feels forced.
But again, if it is some sort of common phrase people say, like #shehashadit then the prosecution retracts it’s statement

We use it on my home forum a lot. It's ATRL slang, as the cool kids say, like "I'll snatch your weave bitch" or "Stanning someone"

Ok I’ll take your word for it.

[wolbre04]

Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

I have to ask - why? Quin also appears twice and it was just an error in copypasting names over. I don't understand how there could be any degree of correlation between Me listing croutons and queen twice ergo them being on a team with me when coitus flips rabbit

The thing about the Choutas one is that you listed two very different thoughts. In one you described his meta. In the other, you asked who she was. I just don't understand how you can thinking both of these things about the same person, because thinking one of them doesn't suggest you'd also be thinking the other one.

I also don't understand the Mariah Karie reference so

Okay I feel like I'm being trolled
1. His meta is low posting
2. He was posting nothing (which is less than low) this game -> "who is she" AKA WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU

Is “who is she” a common street slang? I might be a little behind on my cool kid lingo, but if it is, please enlighten me.

But mixing up gender roles in the same post? That looks like a slip, bub. Feels forced.
But again, if it is some sort of common phrase people say, like #shehashadit then the prosecution retracts it’s statement

We use it on my home forum a lot. It's ATRL slang, as the cool kids say, like "I'll snatch your weave bitch" or "Stanning someone"

Ok I’ll take your word for it.

[Marmot]

Since Choutas was never here at the EoD, I find it less likely that someone who pushed his wagon was bussing him, because he wasn't around to talk about it.



Wolbre's vote was so early on that I don't find it to be town-supporting evidence.

Quin, Kyle, and Jay all built the wagon into a lead. I don't believe any of them bussed Choutas.

MP and I voted last second. I know my alignment, and I've stated my thoughts on MP already.

Lol you would think that, since you were one of the last people to vote him

like you never even talked about wolbre at all before then.

Did you read the rest of my post? I was talking about the people who pushed his wagon: Quin, Kyle, and Jay, not the rest of the folks voting for him.

[Marmot]

Wolbre and Jay teammates

Agreed. Marmot's teammates identified.

I can’t get this quote from marmot’s entrance out of my head. I strongly feel like jjj is town this game, so I don’t think Marmot called out his scummates here. But I currently suspect wolbre and wouldn’t be surprised if Marmot threw in one of his teammates in this too. Marmot votes choutas end of day, wolbre voted early before vhoutas even had votes. Coming in from different angles to form an isosceles triangle. I can see it

You're drinking the wine man, be careful.

[Scotty]

Since Choutas was never here at the EoD, I find it less likely that someone who pushed his wagon was bussing him, because he wasn't around to talk about it.



Wolbre's vote was so early on that I don't find it to be town-supporting evidence.

Quin, Kyle, and Jay all built the wagon into a lead. I don't believe any of them bussed Choutas.

MP and I voted last second. I know my alignment, and I've stated my thoughts on MP already.

Lol you would think that, since you were one of the last people to vote him

like you never even talked about wolbre at all before then.

Did you read the rest of my post? I was talking about the people who pushed his wagon: Quin, Kyle, and Jay, not the rest of the folks voting for him.

yeah I definitely misread what you were saying. I was still in the lens of you bussing him, not the one driving the bus.

You said you don’t find wolbre’s initial vote to be town-\*=+{}*!# but Do you find him particularly suspicious for itv

[Elohcin]

Good job guys! As I was reading through what was going on, I would have changed to Chou if I were here EoD. But alas, I was hanging out with the family.

I will try to be more active. My heart's just not in it.

Charlie Blackmon can keep your heart. I'll take a read or two instead.

I think you, jay, and dyslexicon seem trustworthy.

Hi Elo

You have a good pallate for townreading. Who do you think is suspicious?

I can't pretend to have a clue.

[Marmot]

No. It's something I'd do as a mafia member to a teammate, and it's something I do all the time as a civilian too. NAI

Looking back, wolbre did come back into the thread when Choutas had 2 votes about 2 hours before deadline. He had a chance to move his vote elsewhere before the wagon really got going and he didn't. I do think that's a favorable look for him.

[Marmot]

^That's in response to [mention]Scotty[/mention].

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If right now it was Day 2 and I had ten seconds to place a final vote, it would be for Charlie Blackmon.

[ColinIsCool]

If right now it was Day 2 and I had ten seconds to place a final vote, it would be for Charlie Blackmon.

Why?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If right now it was Day 2 and I had ten seconds to place a final vote, it would be for Charlie Blackmon.

Why?

Of the people who have made at least one post, he is the only one for whom I cannot think of one favorable point.

[G-Man]

My apologies in advance. The night post will be slightly delayed. Whatever possessed me to combine grocery night with bath night?

[nutella]

I've been reading this thread on and off all day just for fun, and I'm fully caught up now!! So [mention]G-Man[/mention], put me in coach, I'm ready to play today! look at me, I can-- oh, wait, center field is taken.

[Tangrowth]

Good job guys! As I was reading through what was going on, I would have changed to Chou if I were here EoD. But alas, I was hanging out with the family.

I will try to be more active. My heart's just not in it.

Why?

[Tangrowth]

On my phone and it’s a pain so I won’t quote, but MP, when you speak of paranoia above, what kind of mafia manipulation are you talking about? Do you think it’s more likely a scum team will all pile together at last second to save one of their own (as they would have had to do to stop Choutas’s lynch) or that they’ll read the writing on the wall and do what they can to look like they wanted him dead? I think the second is much more likely, tbh.

That's a good question, Colin. Either situation is possible. I'd say it depends on the circumstances and the players comprising the mafia team.

[ColinIsCool]

It's ok G-Man, take as long a bath tonight as you want.

[Tangrowth]

My suspicion about MP stems from this.

Quoting Jay's ISO of MP for this.

Spoiler: show

Choutas and M Plus 7

Choutas didn't mention him.

First rainbow has Choutas in a large peach-colored middle tier.

Where u at coitus [VOTE: Choutas] aubergine

wolbre. You're cool man, and I'm glad to be playing with you again, but stuff has happened. Don't bother throwing a vote like that. What do you think of that stuff?

I don't really know what's going on in this post. Why discourage wolbre from his vote (if that's what is happening)?

Players, please talk to me about...

Choutas

Yes. Good idea. I remember nothing about Choutas this game. Let me take a look.

Can't blame him for lacking memory. That's why I brought Choutas up.

Players, please talk to me about...

Choutas

Yes. Good idea. I remember nothing about Choutas this game. Let me take a look.

Well, that was uneventful. No wonder I don't remember anything.

9 posts and not really any game relevant content? He could be bad I suppose.

He doesn't seem inspired either way after a quick review.

Choutas remains in the middle tier, which seems to have inflated this time. Death to neutral reads.

In Ancient Greece, Choutas got off to a slow start. He didn't hesitate to make game-relevant comments though, and he was incisive.

Ancient Greece Choutas ISO

This time he has given much less in the way of reads, and doesn't seem oriented toward getting to a place where he can have reads.

Easter Choutas ISO

Yeah, combined with his comment about desiring more content, it's not exactly ideal. I could vote there.

He's more open to the lynch after the Ancient Greece comparison.

What makes Elo a less inspiring option than Choutas or someone else? Or do you not feel that way?

MP probably made the most vocal effort to lynch someone other than Choutas at EOD. That doesn't have to doom him, but I must acknowledge it.

After I supplied a case for a civilian Elohcin, MP moved his vote to Choutas. This was with one minute remaining in the phase.

~~~

MP has a couple of awkward moments here and he should discuss them. In interactive terms, he is a compatible teammate.

MP's Day 1 vote: Choutas

In here, we see MP promoting the lynch of another player, Elohcin, as the day winded down and Choutas was in the lead.

We also see him questioning wolbre's vote for Choutas and calling it a throwaway vote. This was the only vote for Choutas at the time.

Then later on, MP dismissed Dizzy's vote for Jay as a throwaway vote, and took a lot of flak from Jay for it. Dizzy's vote put Jay at a strong lead in the lynch with 4 votes.



The inconsistencies are what I see suspicious here, especially between MP's question of wolbre's vote and uncaring of Dizzy's vote.

I'm also realizing this doesn't actually make Dizzy bad. I mean she could be, but I guess my main belief from the Jay/MP heated discussion yesterday is that MP was willing to accept Dizzy's vote without questioning it. But that doesn't mean they are teammates, he could have accepted it because the vote was on Jay, and Jay might have been lynched for it.

Anyway, my suspicion of MP still holds strong, but Dizzy not so much.

How do inconsistencies mean that I have a mafia role card?