Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 13]

[ColinIsCool]

I have reason to think Sloonei is telling the truth about at least some things, and if we have to go from his list, my pick is either G-Man (for reasons others have stated) or Luna (for reasons I have stated). Considering how poorly I read Luna, I will follow in Dana’s footsteps and pick [VOTE: G-MAN] aubergine.

What if sloonei is bad. Why are you so willing to trust another player's reads?

It’s not about Sloonei’s reads. If Sloonei says he has a pool of people who did something, I have reason to believe him. Another player has also referenced this reason in this thread, but I don’t remember who so good luck finding it.

[Lunalee]

I have reason to think Sloonei is telling the truth about at least some things, and if we have to go from his list, my pick is either G-Man (for reasons others have stated) or Luna (for reasons I have stated). Considering how poorly I read Luna, I will follow in Dana’s footsteps and pick [VOTE: G-MAN] aubergine.

What if sloonei is bad. Why are you so willing to trust another player's reads?

It’s not about Sloonei’s reads. If Sloonei says he has a pool of people who did something, I have reason to believe him. Another player has also referenced this reason in this thread, but I don’t remember who so good luck finding it.

Sorry, but where did Sloonei say this? I missed it, and a can't find it.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei I tried to find your list of five, and your iso is daunting. Can you either repost it or link me to it?

Luna, Kyle, DDL, Quin, G-man.

One of them killed nutella.

[Sloonei]

I have reason to think Sloonei is telling the truth about at least some things, and if we have to go from his list, my pick is either G-Man (for reasons others have stated) or Luna (for reasons I have stated). Considering how poorly I read Luna, I will follow in Dana’s footsteps and pick [VOTE: G-MAN] aubergine.

What if sloonei is bad. Why are you so willing to trust another player's reads?

It’s not about Sloonei’s reads. If Sloonei says he has a pool of people who did something, I have reason to believe him. Another player has also referenced this reason in this thread, but I don’t remember who so good luck finding it.

Sorry, but where did Sloonei say this? I missed it, and a can't find it.

In the post right below this one, most recently. Also somewhere else earlier.

[Sloonei]

I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

[speedchuck]

Catching up.

If you named those five cats and said "who of these are most likely to kill nutella" I would say Lunalee.

I think Sloon's info is helpful, but I think this isn't a very good way to use it. These are team kills, not individual kills. I'd rather look at the Sloonei Five and lynch based on merit instead of NK analysis, especially in a setup like this.

I got linki'd and apparently this has already been said. I'll shut up until I finish the thread.

[Lunalee]

I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

Okay, thanks. I have reason to believe that G-man is not guilty.

[Lunalee]

But I'll look closer at Kyle, DDL, and Quin, and move my vote to the one who looks most guilty.

[Sloonei]

The G-Man wagon is very colorful at the moment.

[speedchuck]

I don't know anything about baddie SVS but I know civ SVS has the biggest tinfoil hat of the entire internet.

She is capable of arguing back and forth with someone for 20 pages because she wants to lynch the same person they do, but for a much more complicated reason that involves a long string of ability combos, and she won't accept the simple reason.

She is the deity people pray to when they need inspiration to tinfoil.

Still waiting to see that tinfoiling in this game.

I haven't been mod-confirmed as town yet.

[Lunalee]

The G-Man wagon is very colorful at the moment.

yeah, too bad I won't be adding green to it.

[Sloonei]

Quin is an interesting second choice for me. I’ve only played one full game where he was bad (Mad Max), but he played the part brilliantly. I would expect him to be a tough but to crack. In this game he’s done all the usual Quin things, but there’s not much else behind that. He’s only done the usual Quin things. I didn’t get the sense there were a lot of unique or provocative reads in his ISO.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sloonei I tried to find your list of five, and your iso is daunting. Can you either repost it or link me to it?

Luna, Kyle, DDL, Quin, G-man.

One of them killed nutella.

Sexy af. I’m going to try to catch up today but if that’s not possible, this is a great shortcut.

[speedchuck]

I am actively trying not to tinfoil becasue I feel people were laughing at me last time and making fun of me. It is actually why I went back on break. Sorry if this disappoints you, but I am going to do my best to avoid a repeat of being called the diety of something stupid on the whole internet full of stupidity.

TBH that whole event was mostly my fault. It just so happened that I stayed alive loong enough after for things to start getting farcical.

I get snarky when people suspect me. Soz.

[speedchuck]

As for Sloonei's list, not sure if it's a good idea to limit ourselves to 5 people, because that doesn't provide better odds than if we lynched someone among all 27 players.

On the other hand, it's a very valuable tool provided we can actually use abilities or claims to figure out who killed nutella later on. But right now... meh.

Is it easier to read over 5 people or 27?

I agree with you a little bit, but some narrowed direction in a bloated thread is nice.

[Lunalee]

also: i'm not voting for sloonei today

sloonei is just about the least likely mafia memebr out of the players with votes

Going through Kylemii's ISO like, "meh...meh...meh..." until I get to this. I'm not fully convinced, but this sort of looks town.

[speedchuck]

Luna
Kyle
DDL
Quin
G-man

I'm interested in the Sprityo/Sabie thing, less interested in the DH train.

I'm going to ISO Quin and see if it's Genuquin. Maybe solve this conundrum for everyone with my Quindar.

[timmer]

Hey all, I'll be at work for much of today, but I'll be home by 5 which means I'll be able to catch up well before deadline.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

As for Sloonei's list, not sure if it's a good idea to limit ourselves to 5 people, because that doesn't provide better odds than if we lynched someone among all 27 players.

On the other hand, it's a very valuable tool provided we can actually use abilities or claims to figure out who killed nutella later on. But right now... meh.

Is it easier to read over 5 people or 27?

I agree with you a little bit, but some narrowed direction in a bloated thread is nice.

What gives us a higher probability, at least 1 baddie among 5, or 6-8 baddies among 27?

[speedchuck]

As for Sloonei's list, not sure if it's a good idea to limit ourselves to 5 people, because that doesn't provide better odds than if we lynched someone among all 27 players.

On the other hand, it's a very valuable tool provided we can actually use abilities or claims to figure out who killed nutella later on. But right now... meh.

Is it easier to read over 5 people or 27?

I agree with you a little bit, but some narrowed direction in a bloated thread is nice.

What gives us a higher probability, at least 1 baddie among 5, or 6-8 baddies among 27?

Given that there are more baddies among the 27 influencing us, more lurkers among the 27 that are easy fall guys, and no way anyone in this game can form a solid opinion on all 27 players?

I don't freakin' know, man. Mafia is more than math, that's why we play the game instead of running algorithms.

[S~V~S]

As for Sloonei's list, not sure if it's a good idea to limit ourselves to 5 people, because that doesn't provide better odds than if we lynched someone among all 27 players.

On the other hand, it's a very valuable tool provided we can actually use abilities or claims to figure out who killed nutella later on. But right now... meh.

Is it easier to read over 5 people or 27?

I agree with you a little bit, but some narrowed direction in a bloated thread is nice.

THIS ^^^ X1000

Thanks all for reposting the list <3

[speedchuck]

My valid suspicion of Colin shows that day one can contain valid suspicions.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin

My question is for Epignosis, is the first quote suss?

No.

Double-standards, and what not, but I don't care.

Women write differently than men.

Epi is bad for not checking the context behind why Luna was using the word valid.
Or Turnip is bad for posing the question without checking the context behind why Luna was using the word valid.

got em

I think this is the only Quin/TH interaction.
If Quin is a mafia killing nutella, he'd have to be with TH, right? Unless the TH kill was not from a mafia team?

Do we know if the kills were both mafia kills, or if there's a serial killer? (I think I missed like 5 pages of mechanics discussion.)

Anyway this post could be teammate indicative IMO.

also I AM TOWN QUIN

If there's a lie detector, this is ballsy for scum quin.

Quin has kinda been all over Sloonei this game for some reason, maybe buddying him, while repeatedly yelling for Sloonei and others to stop buddying him.

My quindar is struggling to pick up a solid read TBH. This is embarrassing.

Has anyone seen Quin? At this point I'd expect to see him angrily hissing at the people accusing him.

nobody is accusing me so i have nothing to do

Maybe I could give it a spark and see if something happens. [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I know it's more than math, but I'm not just gonna go and ignore the math. The point is, this doesn't narrow things down at all. You could ignore most of the 27 and just pick whoever you suspect the most at the time, and the chance of success shouldn't change too much. If we limited ourselves to the first 5 players in alphabet order, it wouldn't change much either. It's extremely likely there is at least one scum in any random 5 person group.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

The way I see, it only narrows the hunt down if you can limit to a # of players lower than the proportion of baddies in the game. Which means 2 players at most. 5 players is basically lottery.

[Sloonei]

I don’t think Quin has to be TH’s partner, but I don’t have a specific reason not to think so either. It’s possible TH was killed by a vig/serial killer. Two teams usually means they alternate kills each night.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Considering there are two mafias, I'd assume both kills were made by each mafia. Unles the mafias are alternating kills. Do we even know if that's the case?

[Sloonei]

I don’t disagree with you, DDL. Everything you’re saying is one of the reasons I waited a while to start pushing this angle. I didn’t want today to be a witch hunt against 5 specific players, and I don’t want to discourage people from discussing other things that might be valuable.

That said, I do want these 5 players to be in the conversation.

[Sloonei]

Considering there are two mafias, I'd assume both kills were made by each mafia. Unles the mafias are alternating kills. Do we even know if that's the case?

We don’t, but in my experience that’s been the standard rule on the Syndicate. Have there been two teams in any previous BR/LC games?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If I were the host I'd let them kill at the same time, but I haven't hosted a game with 2 mafias in this site. Yet.

[Sloonei]

If I were the host I'd let them kill at the same time, but I haven't hosted a game with 2 mafias in this site. Yet.

I find it unlikely that there are no other killing roles in this game besides the mafia teams.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Spoiler: show

Fail.

you're a little confusing sometimes,

what do you think of DH (DharmaHelper)

I don't think of him.

Underrated joke.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If I were the host I'd let them kill at the same time, but I haven't hosted a game with 2 mafias in this site. Yet.

I find it unlikely that there are no other killing roles in this game besides the mafia teams.

I find it impossible actually, since the role list already says they exist.

But iirc they seem to be limited to map mechanics so they can't kill all the time.

[Sloonei]

If I were the host I'd let them kill at the same time, but I haven't hosted a game with 2 mafias in this site. Yet.

I find it unlikely that there are no other killing roles in this game besides the mafia teams.

I find it impossible actually, since the role list already says they exist.

But iirc they seem to be limited to map mechanics so they can't kill all the time.

My point being that I would expect at least one non-mafia kill most nights.

I don’t think this is immediately relevant though. If you had to pick one of the five listed players, who would it be? If you could make us talk about anyone not on the list, who would you choose?

[Sloonei]

I guess it’s a 4-player list for you, but you know what I mean!

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Right now? G-Man. Or maybe Kyle.

I'm liking Quin this game, and trying to suspect Luna early in a mafia game gives me dejavu.

I'm not super happy about lynching any of the four, actually. Then again, I don't think I have ISO'd any of them carefully. ISOs make me lazy.

[Sloonei]

What is the most civilian thing each of them has done?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Dark Worshipper - Can sacrifice another player three times in the game. Each kill will grant him extra, permanent powers. The role that he kills determines what the gained powers are. *secrets*

I believe I nmed this one as our likely Serial Killer when I made that list? Anyway, if I were this guy, I'd be sacrificing people ASAP. Good chance he did it last night, or at least tried.

Sakana Sashimi - Can move through water and land squares, and can swim beneath the water. Movement rate of 5 in the water. One-time kill of someone on the same square who is also in the water.

This one is either a civ vigilante, or a source of extra kill for the mafia. Beats me.

Savage Pixie - Can see who is within a ... ght alive.

THis one really feels like a civ vigilante, due to the inspect dead body thing.

Both this role and the Sashimi can only kill once. No idea if they would try to do that on Night 1. I wouldn't, but some people are more kill-happy.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

No idea how the quote in the post above turned into a broken link. Posting again:

Savage Pixie - Can see who is within a one-square radius, and can kill someone within that radius once in the game. Undetectable from an outside square, and can only be seen on her square if she chooses. Once in the game, she can inspect a dead body and find out who targeted them on their last night alive.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

What is the most civilian thing each of them has done?

Ok now I'll have to ISO them.

Brb.

[DharmaHelper]

OK

1. Gonna go make a drink
2. Gonna go ISO my color-coded list peoples
3. Gonnna try and comment on Sloonei's ISOs
4. Gonna catch up on the thread

[G-Man]

Kris Kringle is coming to my house this year. I’m a civvie. Bank on it.

I’m phone posting at work to let you know my ISO’s are under way (read: I’ve done two so far). Don’t vote to “put me out of my misery.” I won’t tolerate that crap and you should suspect anyone who votes that way. If you’re going to vote for me, do it because you’re convinced I’m the best option. I won’t begrudge anyone of that because we’re all imperfect people making imperfect assumptions for fun on the Internet.

I signed up and I need to honor my commitment and find more time for this. It looks like people aren’t posting like hyperactive little ankle-biter dogs anymore, which will help. I’d like to post all of my ISO assessments at the same time. If I can get them done before the deadline, I will. If not, I’ll either post them at night if I’m not lynched or I’ll use them as a basis for following the game if I am.

I’m trying folks. I really am. Good luck hunting today. I’ll check back in later.

[Sloonei]

Kris Kringle is coming to my house this year. I’m a civvie. Bank on it.

I’m phone posting at work to let you know my ISO’s are under way (read: I’ve done two so far). Don’t vote to “put me out of my misery.” I won’t tolerate that crap and you should suspect anyone who votes that way. If you’re going to vote for me, do it because you’re convinced I’m the best option. I won’t begrudge anyone of that because we’re all imperfect people making imperfect assumptions for fun on the Internet.

I signed up and I need to honor my commitment and find more time for this. It looks like people aren’t posting like hyperactive little ankle-biter dogs anymore, which will help. I’d like to post all of my ISO assessments at the same time. If I can get them done before the deadline, I will. If not, I’ll either post them at night if I’m not lynched or I’ll use them as a basis for following the game if I am.

I’m trying folks. I really am. Good luck hunting today. I’ll check back in later.

No one is voting for you to put you out of misery.

[speedchuck]

Do any roles benefit from being close together? Like scum gathering in one place?

[Sloonei]

Do any roles benefit from being close together? Like scum gathering in one place?

There seem to be a number of proximity triggers, and I would ‘t be surprised if there are more in the *secrets*, and sharing a square grants people BTSC. Why do you ask?

[speedchuck]

Do any roles benefit from being close together? Like scum gathering in one place?

There seem to be a number of proximity triggers, and I would ‘t be surprised if there are more in the *secrets*, and sharing a square grants people BTSC. Why do you ask?

DDL seems to be assuming that there is only one mafia in your 5. There could be two, technically.

That made me start wondering if mafia are more likely to be close together or far away. Made me wonder if we could use that.

On further reflection, there's probably a pro/con regardless of abilities. Mafia far away from each other cover more kill targets, but close together avoid more town role effects.

[DharmaHelper]

First up, my color list:


Enrique: Mostly goof posts. Not really hunting or grinding. Did that whole "Angle Shooting" thing earlier which is whatever.

Lunalee: After a fluffy, lighthearted start, Here she suspects people for jumping onto Epi's DDL "case". Jumps up Colin's ass when Colin suspects Sloonei here. Dunks on nutella's vote reasoning RE: Jack here. Has a "good reason" to vote Colin since he jumped on DDL so early. This might have been a joke on Mac's part but the response seemed a little "nervous" to me. Votes Wilgy cuz she figures Wolbre is town. Without knowing exactly where the votes were at, it could be she was covering her ass and trying to look civ AF by voting the off-wagon, but IIRC her vote pushed Wilgy further into contention with Wolbre, so looks good. Here she says she "likes to think" the Wilgy wagon is good. She was on the Wilgy wagon, and just got done talking with a few people about how there are 2 mafia teams lol. Here she advocates Occam's Razor RE: TH's flip. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 02311]Here She sticks to her guns RE: Colin, and poo-poo's the G-Man train. Here She follows that up with "reason to believe" G-Man is not guilty. Anyway, something's up with Luna. She's still a Yellow for me.

Tranq: Defends DDL then Here he defends Sloonei, wants to hear more from G-Man. When asked to give his suspects here instead he says there are people he'd rather not vote for, then tosses Doc in the mix as a possible vote. After tossing out some more names of people he trusts/won't vote, (Epignosis, Me) Tranq Defaults to Wilgy. Follows that with Another Wilgy vote today, saying he doesn't like that Wilgy popped in and then fucked off at will, and that TH might have soft-defended Wilgy. Overall, I don't like Tranq's D1 forced ignorance of the poll, and when pressed for suspects he instead offers people he won't vote for, which indicates to me he's scared to ruffle any feathers. Doc is an easy option, even if it is backed up by Doc's behavior and TH maybe defending him.

Doc: Fucked off all D1 until he was in danger, then he showed up and now he's fucked off again. He's demonstrated that he's able to play, and that he jumped into the thread at EOD when he was in danger of being lynched demonstrates to me that he's either paying attention himself or has people paying attention for him.

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I'd rank the Rainbow 4 in order of baddieness as such:

Doc
Tranq
Luna
Enrique

[DharmaHelper]

Onto Sloonei's ISO's:

I read the Kyle one and nothing jumped out at me as bad.
I'll read the Luna one but I've given my thoughts on Luna.

Reading the G-Man one now, I'll post this here but I'll continue to read:

Knowing the epic nature of Long Con & Black Rock games, the fact that the baddies kill range increases as their numbers wain shouldn’t surprise me, but oof. Clever way to keep everyone else from getting overconfident.

Sloonei remarks that this is an odd thing to fixate on first, and I agree,

[DharmaHelper]

G-Man's reads are basically a bunch of "Well, could be could not be, I don't really have a thought here one way or the other."

[DharmaHelper]

Also included are a series of vague reads that accomplish very little. I get that he's dealing with time constraints, but this is the closest thing to player salad we've seen in the game. His parting words are a vote for juliets because she looked worst of the high posters to him, but then he'd change to me somewhere along the line without stopping to say hello.

Yeah this doesn't look great for G-Man. As Sloonei says in his ISO, G-Man placed a silent vote on Sloonei, which I agree is icky-poo-poo. Also his "reads" in his juliets vote post are indeed "vague" and look to me like running in place. Of the reads I've read so far, G-Man looks the most bad (Between Kyle/Luna/G-Man)

[juliets]

I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

Okay, thanks. I have reason to believe that G-man is not guilty.

Ok so Luna, I don't guess there is anything more about this that you can share? Also, I forgot this morning when I was posting that Sloonei knows one of the 5 killed nutella. If I change my vote I'll change it to one of the other 4.