Vanilla Mafia - [MELTED]

[G-Man]

Leniency for low-posting/soft-posting is in short supply this game. The numbers do not provide us with a helpful margin of error.

Sabie eluded me in A World Asunder and she does now too. She’s new to me and her soft spoken style makes her hard to read. Of her nine posts, four are Day 0 fluff and two are Day 1 fluff. That leaves her with three posts to chew one.

One is asking sprityo a question that maybe I need the context to understand better. She offers thoughts on five or six players at the most, much of her comments sound a little on-the-fence. Between her last two posts, she arrives at some soft curiosity of reywaS. We’ll see if and how that builds from here.

Until she starts taking some firmer stances, she’s neutral. Time is short though, and as I said- leniency is (or should be) in short supply.

[Epignosis]

Nutella and Jay voted for Eloh with me. Do you have thoughts on their votes?

They didn't vote Eloh with you. They voted, and you saved your butt and tried to make it sound like you had a plan to get some extra mileage out of it. Baloney ice cream.

It was Day 1. I don't fault people for making the crappy votes they did. When I see a spurious reason for that vote, that's when I get going.

What plan did I have?

Mafia don't require a plan. Lynching a civilian and moving on to the next phase is the plan.

[Epignosis]

Epi has big dick man disease

[Epignosis]

And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

Serious question: Where you normally are involved in Mafia, do civilians win much?

[Epignosis]

nutella is a bit iffy rn

neutral -1 i think you guys call it

G-Man says one thing one time and it's a thing now.

[Epignosis]

Also could be dangerous. If you are on then you become a target. I wish my home site locked the thread at night.(thats not a complaint just have gotten use to it playing other places.)

i aint afraid

[G-Man]

nutella is a bit iffy rn

neutral -1 i think you guys call it

G-Man says one thing one time and it's a thing now.

LOL, I got a kick out of that too.

Taking an ISO break to charge my phone and watch some football.

[Epignosis]

Let's take a look at all of the posts in which Epignosis tells people they are wrong or acts dismissive of things that they've said (sticking to game-relevant content):
#1
#2
#3
#4
#5
#6
#7
#8
#9
#10
#11
#12
#13
#14
#15


Some of these are fair questions that I don't object to. This also is not a comprehensive list, as I left out some posts that were just continuations of conversations started in other posts on the list. The point I am trying to make, which I've been trying to make for a little while now, is that Epi's general tone in this game is antagonistic. I don't view him as being constructive with his questions or his input. I think this type of content serves to inflame the thread and keep the civilians from forming a cohesive and productive atmosphere. I think Epi is doing this intentionally. I think that's how he would play in a game like this when he's bad. I don't think it's how he would play in a game like this when he'd good. By "a game like this", I mean one that is relatively quiet, lacking on content or power roles, in which the town's success will depend on its ability to work together and eliminate the small team of baddies using nothing but in-thread evidence. By keeping the thread unstable, he makes it that much more difficult for us to do those things.

I just drove straight through from Waco Texas to Cincinnati. I’m tired. I can’t look at the game until tomorrow, I apologize guys.

Lucky for you, literally nothing has happened yet.

I cannot "destabilize" thread activity that doesn't exist. I don't even know what that means.

My arguments regarding language did not distract anybody. I don't have that ability. People are in control of what they want to pay attention to. I also don't have any power to prevent people from voting, and yesterday had four (!) missing votes. People can post what they want. People can ignore me if they want. People can vote where they want.

I didn't do anything to this thread but give it life.

[nutella]

Lynching Nutella tomorrow is still on the table for me. Her ISO paints a better picture than some of her individual posts. I’ll let that soak for the rest of the day and see what else happens. Here’s what sits ill with me:

-She overreacted to my literal/not-a-good-look post at Sloonei in a big way. Had she claimed her vote on me was a form of reaction fishing, I might have believed her. Rather, she seemed to go all in, as if she sensed opportunity.

-Asking for the stats on sprityo being bad based on self-voting is also opportunistic. It provides and easy way in or out of working a sprityo train into the mix. It’s not original thought. That kind of data is arbitrary anyway. Nothing ever came of it but it still smells of opportunism.

-After Jay voted for Eloh, Nutella echoed his poor reasonings, thereby generating what appears to be justification for a later Eloh vote.

-Sure enough, Nutella goes back to the low-hanging fruit and votes for Eloh. A sloppy vote built on a foundation of sand.

-She even says she is often wrong about Eloh, preemptively excusing her role in a mislynch.

You're making all kinds of wrong assumptions here. I didn't overreact. I called out your bullshit, and when you revealed it was fishing I still found it unhelpful and sketchy. I think you were the one being opportunistic there. That said, based on your later play I think you are town, but I did not like that initial look.

I asked about sprityo because I never understand his meta and I know he gets mislynched for weird reasons a lot. I didn't put much stake into it either way so I don't see how it can be called opportunistic.

As for eloh, I honestly didn't have better reasons to vote for anyone else and her two posts looked bad to me. If it was "sloppy" that's because there was no other suspicious content to go on and of course I wasn't super confident in it but I had nothing better.

[MafiaMenace]

epi is the only read i have
a slight townread

for him to hold up his argument like that, places him in town rn

What is this referring to?

the untrustworthy v. trustworthy argument

could you pull it up for us to see? and also, if you don't mind, tell us why you think it's trustworthy.

playing mafia like me is being bombarded with homework assignments sometimes. i apologize.

oh and i completely missed the last part

i feel mafia would choose to just step down from whatever argument theyre in rather than push thru it
see (my nutella read)

Epignosis is definitely not the type to play a soft or passive scum game. He's a very crafty baddie. He'd stick to his guns.
for whatever that's worth. I'm not saying you need to read him as scum, just that I wouldn't plant a town read on him specifically for that reason.

im perfectly fine reading people on my own
but ill take that into consideration

And MafiaMenace didn't even vote.

Hey new guys:

Vote for people. Civilians lose if civilians don't vote.

no one was scummy
there was no content to judge

Serious question: Where you normally are involved in Mafia, do civilians win much?

i just finished a game where i pinned 2/3 scum
but no, they all suck, theres been only 5 good villagers to come from the site

Lots of culture clash and a sprinkling of excuses through the first half of MafiaMenace’s ISO. Then he gets hung up on the semantics of trustworthiness. His big-dog attitude reminds me of the aggressive nature that others came to this site with when wandering into our bohemian culture from site’s more akin to players strutting around like young bucks. The more he produces game-relevant content, the better I’ll get a feel for him. For now though his ISO leaves him as a tough egg to crack.

i used that argument as a way to push out readable content from anyone willing to bite
as well as set my eye on players who could be suspicious

and it worked perfectly

i did say that i play very aggressively
so theres nothing new there

[MafiaMenace]

as well as i take back that statement in the quote
there was plenty to judge
i was just too blind to see it at the time

[MafiaMenace]

also excuses?
enlighten me

[nutella]

Anyway Epi and Sloonei both look like their normal selves but that doesn't mean I'm confident they're town. I'm gonna end up tinfoiling sloonei like I always do probably.

[reywaS]

Elohcin has been literally lynched.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

She was Cotton Candy, a civilian. And my favorite flavor!

It is now Night 1. Day 2 will begin in 23.5 hours at 9:00 p.m. EST on 1/12/2019.

[G-Man]

i ain't gonna be here for no deadline and it seems we're not consolidating any votes. i'm having a panic attack.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Other than that, Sloonei reads only slightly below what I remember as his average style of play. Day 0 was. Was your vote for sprityo a genuine a-ha vote out of the gate or was it a get-back-in-here-mister kind of thing? He circled back later, suggesting sprityo was the only player who had done anything worth discussing. Could be opportunistic or it could be a result of his definitions for the game. He leans more toward treating mafia as a science than I think I do.

He lurked and saved his own skin. Why? What made Eloh look worse and more deserving of death than Jay? He also had two votes at the time. He tried to back into a justification later but I’d like him to read both of them again and explain why Eloh and why not Jay.

His Night 1 has left a sour taste in my mouth. He was a little condescending and he generated a fair amount of white noise by clashing with Epi like they sometimes do.

[G-Man]

Liabilities will drag us down as the margin of error shrinks. Spacedaisy has one no-time-today-catch-y’all-later post to her credit. We’ve got some reads floating around but how long does her absence continue before it becomes a problem in each of our minds?

[MafiaMenace]

Liabilities will drag us down as the margin of error shrinks. Spacedaisy has one no-time-today-catch-y’all-later post to her credit. We’ve got some reads floating around but how long does her absence continue before it becomes a problem in each of our minds?

if youre suggesting to pl daisy, those never work

[G-Man]

Liabilities will drag us down as the margin of error shrinks. Spacedaisy has one no-time-today-catch-y’all-later post to her credit. We’ve got some reads floating around but how long does her absence continue before it becomes a problem in each of our minds?

if youre suggesting to pl daisy, those never work

Leave your Jump To Conclusions mat in storage. There’s plenty of fresh meat to consider. I’ve been around the block enough times to know about the success rate of policy lynches.

What I mean is, at what point do think her absence becomes a detriment to our cause? This is a numbers game and the numbers are small from the start in Heists.

[G-Man]

Looking forward to that vote analysis you promised in post #257 [mention]sprityo[/mention]. Until then, your ISO is a tad underwhelming. I don’t think I’ve played many games with you yet. Your tone surprised me.

[G-Man]

Little to nothing to glean from WaywardSon besides the fact that he’s new here.

[MafiaMenace]

Liabilities will drag us down as the margin of error shrinks. Spacedaisy has one no-time-today-catch-y’all-later post to her credit. We’ve got some reads floating around but how long does her absence continue before it becomes a problem in each of our minds?

if youre suggesting to pl daisy, those never work

Leave your Jump To Conclusions mat in storage. There’s plenty of fresh meat to consider. I’ve been around the block enough times to know about the success rate of policy lynches.

What I mean is, at what point do think her absence becomes a detriment to our cause? This is a numbers game and the numbers are small from the start in Heists.

well they might get replaced so it should be fine

[MafiaMenace]

damn these phases are almost perfect

[G-Man]

Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-Epignosis
-reywaS
-Sloonei


Neutral/As Of Yet Undetermined Status:
-MafiaMenace
-Sabie
-Spacedaisy
-sprityo
-WaywardSon


Bad Juju Vibes:
-JaggedJimmyJay
-Nutella


The further we get into this game, the more I will try to force those in the middle group into the upper or lower group in my mind. Please show up/participate/give me something tangible that sorts you for me or you might not like where my mind puts you. If/once that line is crossed my ears will be deaf to your protestations.

[Sloonei]

i ain't gonna be here for no deadline and it seems we're not consolidating any votes. i'm having a panic attack.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Other than that, Sloonei reads only slightly below what I remember as his average style of play. Day 0 was. Was your vote for sprityo a genuine a-ha vote out of the gate or was it a get-back-in-here-mister kind of thing? He circled back later, suggesting sprityo was the only player who had done anything worth discussing. Could be opportunistic or it could be a result of his definitions for the game. He leans more toward treating mafia as a science than I think I do.

He lurked and saved his own skin. Why? What made Eloh look worse and more deserving of death than Jay? He also had two votes at the time. He tried to back into a justification later but I’d like him to read both of them again and explain why Eloh and why not Jay.

His Night 1 has left a sour taste in my mouth. He was a little condescending and he generated a fair amount of white noise by clashing with Epi like they sometimes do.

I was at work for the last 6 hours of the day yesterday. Hence “lurking” and my declaration that I wouldn’t be around.

[MafiaMenace]

[quote=G-Man post_id=509859 time=1547342290 user_id=383]
Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-reywaS /quote]
what

[MafiaMenace]

now how the hell

[MafiaMenace]

Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-reywaS

what

ebwop

[G-Man]

Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-reywaS

what

ebwop

Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

[Epignosis]

If I die:

Nice: G-Man, MafiaMenace

Naughty: Sloonei

[Sloonei]

Does anyone feel like commenting on my Epi case?

[MafiaMenace]

Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-reywaS

what

ebwop

Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know

[MafiaMenace]

right now im townreading epi, but both epi and nutella created the whole "literally" debate

so i would like to say there can only be one scum in {nutella, epi}
if nutella flips civi then the next one from there would be epi

[nutella]

Does anyone feel like commenting on my Epi case?

I didn't realize you considered it a "case" but I can see where you are coming from. Though I don't really think of Epi as one to heavily drive discussion even in small games like this. do you have a counterexample?

[Epignosis]

Does anyone feel like commenting on my Epi case?

Someone already did.

[MafiaMenace]

mind you
you wanting feedback on your read gives townie vibes

{nobody}
{sloonei, epi, gman}
{everyone else}
{nutella}
{nobody}

[nutella]

right now im townreading epi, but both epi and nutella created the whole "literally" debate

so i would like to say there can only be one scum in {nutella, epi}
if nutella flips civi then the next one from there would be epi

so you've already decided to lynch me tomorrow? I'd love to convince you otherwise

[nutella]

Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-reywaS

what

ebwop

Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know

mmmmmm I don't like this

[MafiaMenace]

right now im townreading epi, but both epi and nutella created the whole "literally" debate

so i would like to say there can only be one scum in {nutella, epi}
if nutella flips civi then the next one from there would be epi

so you've already decided to lynch me tomorrow? I'd love to convince you otherwise

ive learned to stick with my guns
lots of shit happens when i dont

and many, many times ive let scum out of my grasps a minute too early

[MafiaMenace]

Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-reywaS

what

ebwop

Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know

mmmmmm I don't like this

ew with the shade
its funny how immediately after you make a post about me already deciding to push your hang tomorrow, you come back with this
a post that could pivot shit onto me

[nutella]

If/once that line is crossed my ears will be deaf to your protestations.

right now im townreading epi, but both epi and nutella created the whole "literally" debate

so i would like to say there can only be one scum in {nutella, epi}
if nutella flips civi then the next one from there would be epi

so you've already decided to lynch me tomorrow? I'd love to convince you otherwise

ive learned to stick with my guns
lots of shit happens when i dont

and many, many times ive let scum out of my grasps a minute too early

Lol whatever works for you guys but I find that changing my mind frequently leads to more success

[MafiaMenace]

If/once that line is crossed my ears will be deaf to your protestations.

right now im townreading epi, but both epi and nutella created the whole "literally" debate

so i would like to say there can only be one scum in {nutella, epi}
if nutella flips civi then the next one from there would be epi

so you've already decided to lynch me tomorrow? I'd love to convince you otherwise

ive learned to stick with my guns
lots of shit happens when i dont

and many, many times ive let scum out of my grasps a minute too early

Lol whatever works for you guys but I find that changing my mind frequently leads to more success

that hasnt been my experience
would you like me to direct you to a game of mine where i got both scum day 1 but changed my mind all too quickly as proof

[nutella]

Listing you all becauses lists:

Slightly Positive Feelings Or Better:
-reywaS

what

ebwop

Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know

mmmmmm I don't like this

ew with the shade
its funny how immediately after you make a post about me already deciding to push your hang tomorrow, you come back with this
a post that could pivot shit onto me

Yeah I'm really clever huh.

Here's the thing and you can take it to the bank: I don't omgus. Ever. If I find something suspicious I say as much. I don't suspect people for suspecting me. That's bullshit.

[nutella]

If/once that line is crossed my ears will be deaf to your protestations.

right now im townreading epi, but both epi and nutella created the whole "literally" debate

so i would like to say there can only be one scum in {nutella, epi}
if nutella flips civi then the next one from there would be epi

so you've already decided to lynch me tomorrow? I'd love to convince you otherwise

ive learned to stick with my guns
lots of shit happens when i dont

and many, many times ive let scum out of my grasps a minute too early

Lol whatever works for you guys but I find that changing my mind frequently leads to more success

that hasnt been my experience
would you like me to direct you to a game of mine where i got both scum day 1 but changed my mind all too quickly as proof

Nah I believe you. But that doesn't mean you're always right.

[MafiaMenace]

what

ebwop

Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know

mmmmmm I don't like this

ew with the shade
its funny how immediately after you make a post about me already deciding to push your hang tomorrow, you come back with this
a post that could pivot shit onto me

Yeah I'm really clever huh.

Here's the thing and you can take it to the bank: I don't omgus. Ever. If I find something suspicious I say as much. I don't suspect people for suspecting me. That's bullshit.

where did i say that shit?
thats shade, simple as, and convenient as fuck too

that isnt omgus, thats desperation to not get lynched when the time comes

[Epignosis]

Does anyone feel like commenting on my Epi case?

I didn't realize you considered it a "case" but I can see where you are coming from. Though I don't really think of Epi as one to heavily drive discussion even in small games like this. do you have a counterexample?

What, then, do I do?

[G-Man]

If/once that line is crossed my ears will be deaf to your protestations.

right now im townreading epi, but both epi and nutella created the whole "literally" debate

so i would like to say there can only be one scum in {nutella, epi}
if nutella flips civi then the next one from there would be epi

so you've already decided to lynch me tomorrow? I'd love to convince you otherwise

ive learned to stick with my guns
lots of shit happens when i dont

and many, many times ive let scum out of my grasps a minute too early

Lol whatever works for you guys but I find that changing my mind frequently leads to more success

Lurching my statement way out of context much? I wasn’t talking about being closed-minded. I was saying that, if people don’t produce sufficient content for me to generate a read on, then I’m going to force a read out of what little they produce and I won’t care if they don’t like where that leads. Big difference.

[Epignosis]

mind you
you wanting feedback on your read gives townie vibes

{nobody}
{sloonei, epi, gman}
{everyone else}
{nutella}
{nobody}

This guy is a civilian. He has to be.

[nutella]

Does anyone feel like commenting on my Epi case?

I didn't realize you considered it a "case" but I can see where you are coming from. Though I don't really think of Epi as one to heavily drive discussion even in small games like this. do you have a counterexample?

What, then, do I do?

I feel like you tend to be a bit more on the sidelines, sometimes getting into heated 1-on-1s but letting other topics dominate the thread

[nutella]

ebwop

Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know

mmmmmm I don't like this

ew with the shade
its funny how immediately after you make a post about me already deciding to push your hang tomorrow, you come back with this
a post that could pivot shit onto me

Yeah I'm really clever huh.

Here's the thing and you can take it to the bank: I don't omgus. Ever. If I find something suspicious I say as much. I don't suspect people for suspecting me. That's bullshit.

where did i say that shit?
thats shade, simple as, and convenient as fuck too

that isnt omgus, thats desperation to not get lynched when the time comes

Well I do tend to try desperately not to get lynched.

[MafiaMenace]

Look at my ISO read of him. If you read it, this shouldn’t be a surprise.

that makes a lot of sense
i wasnt ever scumreading him
i just had no reason to read him in either direction

so now i know

mmmmmm I don't like this

ew with the shade
its funny how immediately after you make a post about me already deciding to push your hang tomorrow, you come back with this
a post that could pivot shit onto me

Yeah I'm really clever huh.

Here's the thing and you can take it to the bank: I don't omgus. Ever. If I find something suspicious I say as much. I don't suspect people for suspecting me. That's bullshit.

where did i say that shit?
thats shade, simple as, and convenient as fuck too

that isnt omgus, thats desperation to not get lynched when the time comes

Well I do tend to try desperately not to get lynched.

dont be desperate
if you are calm youd come across 100% townier
but you arent

so maybe this is something you can change in a future game
no matter your alignment