The pink part has been gnawing at me since an earlier ISO. Baddies like to have players who are perceived as unreliable votes in the game. You take out the threats and let the civvies worry about eliminating a partial participator. DF's line of reasoning defies baddie logic because baddies seldom have to try very hard for a mislynch on Day 1.DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:02 amWhy wouldn't you? In a game with so few players, nearly all of which are vanilla, every town vote is significant. The usual approach of leaving me for late game won't fly here, since in a few phases I could conceivably pop back in after a hiatus and cast a deciding vote. It might be a better approach for the Mafia to go for a softball right out of the gate to get a jump on the numbers without really putting themselves on the line in the way they might in trying to fabricate a case on a more prominent player.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:04 pmNo you.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:58 pmYou're mafia.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:28 pm @DFaraday
You have a history of missing day phases and ending games with under 10 posts. I understand that irl stuff happens but It has become a pattern.
I would absolutely love to play a mafia game with you but that’s going to require you to play a mafia game with me as well.
Please post.
If I was mafia, I wouldn’t start the game with a push on a guy who tends to get himself lynched all on his own.
Here he leans in on the "sabie looks bad for thinking nutella looks bad after Jack got killed" theory. That kind of setup might be economical in a game this small, but nutella looked suspicious for reasons that did not involve Jack. I said around that time that a baddie trying to set someone up to look bad and being the person to lead that charge is an elementary tactic that most of us grew out of very quickly. Nutella's team may have done it for the WIFOM for that exact reason. They got someone to bite on it and tried to make them look bad for taking 'such obvious bait.'DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:55 amI think it's the second option. I actually began thinking there might be a Sabie/Michelle connection yesterday, but didn't want to say anything explicit during the night. My theory is that Michelle forced suspicion on Tony, then had to double down on it as their interaction continued, and Sabie just parroted her teammate's suspicion. Sabie's post today makes me feel even less warm towards her, since it's basically shouting, "WOW HOW SUSPICIOUS DOES THIS KILL MAKE NUTELLA LOOK, RIGHT GUYS?"nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:04 pmSo you don't think the kill was a frame of me? That was my first thought, and that sabie either bought it or is promoting the narrative that I'm scum.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:49 pmI do not follow. Nutella did not vote for Tony, and I find it a bit of a stretch to assume that Jack was killed for the purpose of silencing his criticism of nutella. Plus, we now know that Jack would have been a perfectly viable counterwagon yesterday if nutella was bad and the mafia team wanted to save her. There wouldn’t have been a need for any of them to push to Tony (and no reason not to. My point is that I don’t see how this pair of deaths reflects poorly on nutella specifically). Is there more to this suspicion?sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:39 pm Hmmm the plot thickens. Jack and tony both felt pretty confidently that nutella was bad and now they both have flipped civ. I've been iffy on nutella from the beginning and am inclined to believe maybe tony and jack were right about her. Putting my vote there for now.[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
Here he takes the successful Michelle lynch and tries to spin it back onto sabie, even though a number of people expressed a stronger connection between Michelle and nutella given my scenario questions. In Day 2, he expressed suspicion of sabie and Michelle, hoped people would go for sabie but was fine with Michelle votes too. He set himself up here by trying to connect the two. Had sabie been lynched, he could have either said "Oops, we should have lynched Michelle" or "Boy, with sabie flipping civvie, that gives me pause about how I read Michelle too."DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:11 am Looking over the votes from Day 2 leave me feeling extremely confident in Dom and Epi. If Sabie is not a teammate of Michelle then it would make no sense for her teammates to vote her at that juncture, and if Sabie was also part of the team, they could have prodded/stuck with the Quin wagon that almost took off.
I'm feeling less confident in Nutella than I have for much of the game, but it seems unlikely she's on a team with either Quin or Sabie given the voting results as well as the suspicions cast between them.
I still don't have a good reason for ruling Quin out, though. And there's not a strong reason LC should be considered town, which (even though we're bros) means he's not cleared. My guess is that the remaining baddies at this point are one of the following combinations:
Quin/Sabie
LC/Sabie
Nutella/LLD
LLD/Any of the above
Here he takes LC's suspicion on Dom and does something cute with it. His explanation of how Dom could have just voted for sabie if he was bad because it wouldn't have garnered much attention is exactly what he did. Is this post a little too knowing for a civvie to make?DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:34 pm Be safe, Sabie!The thing is Sabie would have been such a safe place to hide. Dom could have just made a post about the Sabie suspicions and moved his vote there, and probably wouldn’t have even garnered attention with all the vote switching that goes on (besides if Sabie had been lynched we wouldn’t know Michelle was bad anyway). In a game with one bad team and tight numbers to begin with I don’t think bussing on Day 2 is the most likely option.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:31 pmIt could be a bus. His vote followed the strong Michelle-lynch start from Epi and Sloonei, so he wasn't the one pushing the hardest for Michelle. Then those two voted off and Dom stayed. Perfect bus-without-lynching possibility. Dom didn't really give a lot of reasons for others to vote there, just that Michelle was a common thread in the possibilities, along with a couple of other players. The votes swung back, Dom then had to choose whether to change his vote and risk looking like a teammate, or swallow it and try to look good.
His vote's in the perfect place for a bus. Looks a lot like my style of bussing, actually.
He also does this to defend Dom, so he gets on another player's good side. He says he voted for nutella to save Dom. How very noble of him to vote for someone that has a lot of evidence against her in order to save someone who doesn't have a strong case against him.
Here (too long to bother with multi-quotes) he condemns LC for going after sabie for voting for nutella because Jack died. But, DF voted for sabie for the same reason. How does LC look bad for this and DF doesn't? Because LC voted first.
Funny thing about that. If sabie looked bad for voting first for nutella Day 2 after Jack died, and LC looks bad for voting for sabie for that same reason two days later, then DF must be wary of first-voters, right? But no. He voted second on the Jack train (after LC) Day 1 and second on the sabie train (again after LC) on Day 2. In both cases, he voted early on and walked away. That's good baddie strategy in small games like this. The less you engage, the harder it is to parse out your evil intentions. He was willing to follow the votes of others and build on their suspicions. After one baddie was caught, DF put more effort into finding dirt that might stick to people. He's my first ISO, but I'm comfortable with voting for him today.