The Wire Mafia [END]

[Sloonei]

I'm realizing that it's actually been a while since I played an extended stretch of a game with Jack as either alignment. He died Night 1 in Australian Murder Mystery, and before that I'd been on a break for a while. I've hosted a couple games that he's played in the interim, but that's not the same.

I bring it up here because I don't really know what to make of his meta. When I was last playing regularly, the book on Jack was that he farted around early in games as town, but was more serious as scum. He was well aware of this perception and has no doubt changed the narrative since then. So when I see a Jack who is sort of straddling the line between those two position here, I... don't know what to do with him.

I'd feel more confident in a Long Con lynch. I would not object to Creature or boo either.

[Sloonei]

Long Con
Creature
Colin
Jack

those are people i dont have a reason to townread today.

jack is the one i struggle most to read in this game

i'm laying off boo this phase.

Why are you laying off boo?

because no one but me seems to have icky feelings about him and i have never played with him myself, so i don't want to tunnel phase after phase. i want to spread my eyes.

I am open to a boo lynch. I believe TH is as well.

[Sloonei]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] who's your strongest town read right now?

[Creature]

i mean, im using it as a point in his favor vs. i think he's bad for it.

bad creature was a lot more active and townie-like. he got more involved. at least in the game i played with him in NF. he totally fooled me. i'm not seeing the same creature here.

What game was that again? It's funny because I was probably in it, but I forgot playing/hosting with Creature before.

I don't think I ever played with you, just played a game you hosted

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok.

DDL: town af

Boo: he plays like 2015 town DDL. Called it last time and will try to call it again.
Sloonei: he gets the Jaysloonei town feel. He's game solving and taking this very seriously. I believe my instincts.
Nanook: I had a very clear understanding of the way he thinks from our discussion and I think it comes from a civ PoV, even if I don't agree with it.

Speed: doesn't give me super town vibes but the Rej thing looked great for him
Creature: dunno. He's fast and loose. Could be civ. Could be bad. I kind of want to give him more time.
dunya: sometimes she gives me the hardcore town leader vibe, but then she's pretty casual and sometimes she feels aloof and not living in the same world as the rest of us. Dunno what to make of this.
Colin: I... don't know.
TH: How do I even read him? His case on me is kind of dumb. Meh.
Sig: see speed above, except his posting style gives me bad vibes not neutral vibes. But yeah the Rej thing makes this unlikely.
Jack: same as sig, except this just got shut down by memories of scum Jack being hardcore. Dunno how to read him now.
LC: he's being a blur since D2. That's bad. But he looked great in that one Dom post.

My rainbow has only 3 colors because I'm lost.

[Creature]

i didnt like how creature didn't know JJJ was replaced.

How does that indicate alignment tho?

it doesn't on its own, but i'm taking the whole creature in his entirety and weighing points for and against his towniness. i dont have a lot of meaty content to go with.

Please, don't take me on my entirety

[Creature]

=,= I'm being ignored. someone talk to me.

Hi Zé Carioca

[Creature]

Where are you getting this general consensus from? I am specifically accusing LC of being mafia based on his interactions with Rej. My voice is consensus.

I didn't consent to this.

We all never did.

[speedchuck]

=,= I'm being ignored. someone talk to me.

Hi Zé Carioca

*tips hat*

[Jackofhearts2005]

i dont even remember the first 2 years, ddl.

linki: jack has a sort of aggravating way of responding to posts where he reads and responds to things 3 pages back that have already been addressed sometimes multiple times.

So what?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I think I'm gonna lynch the one guy I had nothing to say about.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

[Creature]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I talked myself into moving my vote here, he seems slightly worse then Speed right now.

If you look down at them really hard, and pretend there's sky behind them instead of ground, it kind of looks like they're blasting off

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sloonei posts a big thingie and aside from DDL, “good look for X” and “not a great look for Y” appear to be slapped on to interactions at random.

Not a good look for Sloonei.

Did you even read the post?

Yeah. Like idk why you said the things that were bad for me and Boo were bad for me and Boo.

See if you'd actually read the post you'd notice that I came out of it feeling good about you.
I felt bad about boo because rej made no comment on him at all until slapping a random unexplained vote on him mid-day 2, then quickly moved it off of him. It looked like an empty attempt to distance himself from a teammate. I had similar misgivings about his vote for you, which I expressed, but ultimately came off of because his vote remained on you. I guess it's possible to read those votes the other way around: you were the distanced partner, and boo was the random civilian being shaded. But if I am being asked to choose to pick one over the other, I'd say the boo vote looks worse. Or maybe you're both town. I find it unlikely that he'd vote for two partners at once.

I did read it and I was perplexed by the color.

See, that all sounds like wifom mumbo jumbo. There are parts I can get behind but the only lead me to conclusions I already knew were true like “both Boo and Jack are not wolves.”

I'm always going to be considering as many possibilities as I can. I did not have a firm read on you one way or the other, but I settled on a town lean. That's not conclusive or definitive, and the reasons for that are in the thread. Would you like me vote for you?

You’d be throwing away your vote.

[Creature]

Ok so @dunya I just checked all the games Creature played this year

Did you check mafiascum.net? Did you check Mafia Universe?

[Creature]

Ok so @dunya I just checked all the games Creature played this year and you weren't in them.

I did host one game with him (GIrl Genius) but you didn't play it.

And I did host one game that you played (Double Jesater) at NF but Creature didn't. He doesn't have a NF account afaik.

I think your head imagined having played with Creature.

my most recent game before this one was your double jester and creature was for sure in it.

@Creature, where did we meet?

Was it MU's double take?

[Creature]

I can't remember a double jester game

[Creature]

or maybe it was that Agatha Heterodinner game

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have a decent track record of reading Speed with a skew towards scumreading him when he’s town sometimes and rarely townreading him when he’s scum.

Ever since Pirate Mafia, yeah?

Lol

[Creature]

i didnt like how creature didn't know JJJ was replaced.

I’m aware I’m defending a scum read but why is this scum indicative?

Bias

[Creature]

Just realized this is still the one site I struggle with.

struggle in what sense?

My reads tend to be pretty decent in the other two sites I play with

Just this one is...ugh to get reads on

[Creature]

Also I had neglected this game

[Creature]

Don't worry, now I'm focused only on this game

[Creature]

We can have some fun

[Creature]

or not

but I'll have

[Creature]

Just please don't put me on the stagnance

[Creature]

You have until midnight and something to get me lynched

Otherwise I'm no longer getting lynched this game

[Creature]

i didnt like how creature didn't know JJJ was replaced.

I’m aware I’m defending a scum read but why is this scum indicative?

no, my english took a beating lately. read on, i don't think creature is scum lol

Sometimes I wonder if you're Nancy Drew

[Creature]

but I know you aren't

just your avatar reminds me of her

[Creature]

(also Nancy Drew is a mafia user, not my ex-girlfriend or something lol)

[Creature]

Creature fooled Dunya.

I’m still dreaming.

I recently won a game as SK if you want to check that out

[Creature]

I don't know who is dunya, but she isn't mistaken here

[dunya]

(also Nancy Drew is a mafia user, not my ex-girlfriend or something lol)

lmao. nancy drew is also a famous fictional character detective in a mystery novel series

[Creature]

but at least isn't many players shouting creature meta every single day

Meta exists but it's not as reliable as lot of people think it is.

I heavily evaluate players based on my experience with them and it's pretty hard to deal with players I never played with, I just don't make stupid generalizations like "hurr durr X doesn't ever do this as scum".

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Just realized this is still the one site I struggle with.

struggle in what sense?

My reads tend to be pretty decent in the other two sites I play with

Just this one is...ugh to get reads on

Ikr

Isn't it prefect?

[Creature]

but at least isn't many players shouting creature meta every single day

well, i kind of am using your meta to town read u

did you play ddl's jester game? right? DDL is saying you didn't. how did we meet? what game did we play?

Maybe you're confusing me with Spiny Creature?

[Creature]

I was reading mafia and burned my dinner you trash

Is Mafia and Burned My Dinner an interesting book?

[Creature]

Creature fooled Dunya.

I’m still dreaming.

Someone oughta get a baguette to the nutsack over this.

I have done worse damage.

[dunya]

I was reading mafia and burned my dinner you trash

Is Mafia and Burned My Dinner an interesting book?

lmao

<3 you're cool.

[Creature]

Rej interactions

Never watched it but I just realized we can't claim any kind of information in this game ;-; My least favorite rule.

+ its closed rolemadness as it seems

Casual fluff post in response to ZemmiHead. This tells me nothing on its own, but it exists.

gonna say it's town

Why's that?

The "I think it's more likely aimed towards non-buddy" + gambler's fallacy + some secret ingredient (actually I don't know what that's called) recipe

[Creature]

Rainbow reads based exclusively on these interactions:
DDL
speedchuck
Jack
Colin
dunya
sig
Long Con
boo

Everybody else is null, though I have not actively considered those who are conspicuously absent much. LC gets a negative nod because he was mentioned at the very last second, but there are others who don't show up at all in this ISO.

Missed I was, missed I was
Gonna be hold back on more
Missed I was, missed I was
On my face they just slammed the door

see my next post

Yeh I'm a hundred pages behind

[dunya]

do rej and zemmi know each other from another site or have they played on here together before?

[Creature]

@dunya

I've figured it out.

There is a post from you in the staff forum saying you think Creature is Cooler, whom you had just played with.

Later on you learn CReature is not actually Cooler.

Who tf is Cooler?

[Creature]

@dunya

I've figured it out.

There is a post from you in the staff forum saying you think Creature is Cooler, whom you had just played with.

Later on you learn CReature is not actually Cooler.

lmao. oh my! fuck! thanks for checking, i was getting creeped out by things.

well, creature is on the table now. i have no idea who they are.

Oh sucks, I was warming up to your townread

[Creature]

guess I'm all alone again

[dunya]

@dunya

I've figured it out.

There is a post from you in the staff forum saying you think Creature is Cooler, whom you had just played with.

Later on you learn CReature is not actually Cooler.

Who tf is Cooler?

cooler than all of us

ha ha ha so funny.

linki: i still dig you as town, creature

[Creature]

@Creature
Are you playing sword and shield?

No, I don't play pokemon.

At most I play minesweeper.

[Creature]

@Cooler you should come and play with us again. i loved playing with you!

I wonder if I'm supposed to be offended...

[dunya]

@Cooler you should come and play with us again. i loved playing with you!

I wonder if I'm supposed to be offended...

no, but imagine a game with me and you and cooler. it would be a mindfuck!

[Creature]

Okay so thoughts on Sloonie, he's been a contender last two days, without very strong cases either day.

Oh yeah, scum can get no strong cases on them being scum at all. However, can they get strong cases on them being town?

wut

I always suspect when there's a strong case on someone. Scum usually can avoid getting strongly scumread while town is more prone to due to doing stupid things.

[Creature]

Let's see:

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

I disagree with this vote almost as much as your previous one.

Then what do you suggest that isn't me?